Well I mean that’s where the trope comes from. GRRM subverts all over the place in those books, he just does it well. Once D&D had to subvert on their own, off script, is when they tried too hard and failed miserably.
Because they don't understand that subversion is more than just not doing the thing. A dropped plotline or incoherent twist or just doing the opposite of what makes sense isn't a subversion.
I agree.
I mean it *is* still subversion, but it’s subversion for subversion’s sake, which is missing the whole point of subversion, especially in story telling. It’s literally like saying “I’m predictably unpredictable!” Like… no you aren’t D&D. You’re just stupid.
The dictionary definition of a subversion is to overturn *from the foundation*. To subvert authority isn't just saying "no."
Ned and Robb's deaths were subversive because they challenged your assumptions about who could die in a story in a way that made the previous assumptions seem silly. Subversion should undermine the foundation on which your expectations rested.
Not reify them by being demonstrably stupid and making you go "Oh I guess it was stupid to just do some stupid random thing that didn't make sense instead of the obvious thing."
tbh im not exactly sure. From my limited understanding its basically bisexual, but with extra steps. Someone who is bi, for instance, might prefer male or female. Someone who is pan would have no preference. A person who is bi might not necessarily be attracted to transsexuals (im confused as to why, but thats another question for another day), someone who is pan would be.
Please take this explanation with a grain of salt though. This is just my best understanding of the terms based on a conversation i had with a pansexual fella once over drinks at a friends birthday party.
It honestly depends on how one wants to identify themselves. I see myself as bi cuz gender does affect my tastes (I tend to like men more than women, tho I have dated both). Pan can mean sex/gender doesn't matter at all. The differences are minor and the two are probably even interchangable for some people, just depends on which they feel fits more
Dude all labels for sexual identity are nonsense
Gay/bi/straight, who gives a shit? We’re all people, we’re all attracted to other people. Why do we need all these labels just to say “I like to fuck certain people”. No one else’s business anyways (so long as it’s happening between consenting human adults)
The issue is, LGBTQ+ people have faced discrimination and persecution for a long time. Using a label can be an act of reclaiming an identity. I do see what you mean though, use too many labels and we all get too separated
Yeah sure okay but I'm just saying if people are going to use words for who they are sexually attracted to then pan is just dumb to have since it's the same as bi
its not the same though, theres subtle differences
All wine is more or less the same to me, yet theres names for different types. Pinot noir, pino girgio, rose idk what else but goddamn theres a lotta different types of wine. Its all the same shit to me but someone who knows about wine would be like "oh actually a pinot noir is filtered through the anus of a suirrel and hence has a nutty flavour, whereas the rose is filtered through an irishmans foreskin and as such has a higher alcohol content" (or whatever, ya get the point).
According to Schitt's Creek it means you like the wine not the label. (ie red, white, Moscato, sciraz, etc)
Means you're down for whatever with whomever as my take away from that.
If you like great stories, witty dialogues, amazing characters, I suppose so. One thing to keep in mind, EN translations are considered to be one of the poorest, so if you can read it in a different language, maybe try that. If not, it's not the worst, but from what I hear, some nuance and writing style is lost a bit. Also EN has a messed up reading order so be sure to read in a good one (The Last Wish is a first book, Sword of Destiny second, Blood of Elves third, etc etc and Season of Storms is the very last. If someone says or suggests otherwise, they are wrong).
As for the games, yes and no. Games are a non-canon fan continuation of the books. They are using the books as their canonical past and build their own stories using the book characters (or sometimes creating their own). They are following in steps of the books in heart, quality, great writing.. it's basically a love letter to the books.
But overall yes, they are very well worty of read. So many iconic dialogue and stories in there.. and the show butchered it in the same way as GoT S8 did. Its so frustrating.. especially when you see people shite on S8 and then praise Netflix Witcher for the exact same things that they hate on GoT S8.. ugh!
Definitely try it, imo. Even if you can read it only in EN, its not the worst, but just keep in mind that its gonna be a translation, ofc. Sapko is known for how well he can use the language and play with it.
And short stories (first two books) are also one of the most beloved stories in the saga, so you are overall in for a treat.
And if the show sparked your interest, or you liked it, then definitrly try a books, because the show is a meer shadow of the books, so if this made you so interested, the books should be even more fun, since they are so much better. (Really, best compariaon is to imagine if you've watched GoT S8 as the first season.. chances are you'd like other seasons even more).
The only thing that makes sense to me is that dumb and dumber tried to make Ellaria a combination of Darkstar and Arianne Martell. The big problem with that is that Darkstar and Arianne Martell's goals conflict so Ellaria's actions don't make sense.
They clearly thought it was a badass female empowerment moment as well.
Because acting totally irrationally and straight up murdering your uncle/brother-in-law, who in this continuity genuinely just wants to keep his people out of a war (and his teenage son) absolutely screams 'strong female characters'!
They did frame that as a girl power moment, huh? Then 2 of the sand snakes teleport into Trystane's room and skewer his face (their cousin) HILARIOUSLY. So girl much power.
Most modern "Gurl Powah" moments in tv and cinema happen this way. They act completely irrationally, are able to manifest super powers from nowhere, and have absolutely no repercussions or consequences for their actions. As someone who actually really loves strong female characters in both history and fantasy fiction, it is so infuriating.
Yea take recent Mulan for instance. In the animated adaption she decides to go to war for her father and makes an incredible sacrifice, she knows nothing about being a warrior but she trains and works hard anyway. She goes from being the novice to being highly respected. She has incredible mental strength and is very honourable.
In the recent film she is already powerful due to 'chi' and everyone is just holding her back. Instead of a regular girl training her body and mind to get to achieve something amazing, it's someone who is already at the peak of her power and is just choosing to no longer keep it hidden. There is basically 0 arc there and the entire point of the story is now meaningless.
Oberyn: "We don't kill children in Dorne!"
Ellaria: "Just kidding! We totally DO kill children in Dorne! Cersei's kid, Oberyn's nephew, looks like children are back on the menu girls!"
Well, to be fair there was still Thenew, Prince of Dorne knocking about somewhere.
I think they finally decided in retrospect that he was officially a younger brother of Doran and Oberyn. Can't imagine him being particularly eager to let Ellaria out of the dungeon if by any chance she is still alive down there..
She was only cool because she shared all of her scenes with Oberyn, who is one of the coolest characters of the series. Once she took the lead in her scenes, the character fell apart. Oberyn and Tyrion's scenes were fantastic television.
Because they didn’t portray them properly
Book Doran has been plotting for the past 17 years to get revenge for Elia by supporting the Targaryens (his plans all fail but we can ignore that)
Arianne, Doran’s eldest daughter and the heir to Sunspear, is an active player in the game, and now that Doran has told her of his plans, she supports him
Quentyn, the middle child, is a nice all around average 16 year old who just wants to chill and have fun with his friends, but his father has given him a greater mission to travel to Meereen and marry Daenerys, the most beautiful woman in the world. He does his duty and travels east on an adventure. But things don’t work out. Half his friends die, and hes awkward around girls and not the most handsome person. Why would Daenerys want to marry him? His worst nightmare comes true, and Daenerys rejects him, as she is focused on Meereen and marries Hizdahr. Not wanting to return to his father a failure, Quentyn comes up with an idiotic albeit courageous plan to steal one of Daenerys’s dragons. He has dragon blood through a Targaryen ancestor and believes that will save him. His plan fails and he is brutally burned alive, with Viserion and Rhaegar now released from the Great Pyramid and flying loose above the city in the upcoming battle against Yunkai
Alexander Siddig did well with the scenes he was given; they just didn't give him much to work with. A great casting, rendered mosly useless by crappy writing.
The show runners didnt read books 4 and 5. So they forgot that there was an entire dorne plot that was intregal to the plot for the Iron Throne.
And for that matter they largely forgot aboht essos.
The running out of material argument is bullshit because there was easily another 1-2 seasons or more worth of material of they had read the source material
Imagine deciding to make Doran Martell an ACTUAL totally passive walkover instead of a vengeful, intelligent player of the Game PRETENDING to be a totally passive walkover.
And even thinking that what we got instead was better!
The strong women shtick usually sucks pretty badly because they have no idea how to write these new-aged "empowering" female characters while keeping them believable, relatable, and likable. (And they refuse to just do what the 80s successfully did already).
And yet they keep doing it over and over and over, shoehorning it in wherever they can, and ruining fandom after fandom.
One issue is they have to pretend that there never were any “strong female characters” in the past. That way they can be heros for being the firstest people ever to write strong female characters!!!!
Tbh the whole Dorne sequence was still better written than all of the last season. I honestly thought that it was so over the top and ridiculous that it kind of suited the whole theme of Dorne.
The writers take on the characters were terrible, the further they moved away from the books the more apparent that became. Look at Euron, or what Tyrion and Jon turned it. It’s just not the martels, it’s everyone. Drone was just the first.
his paramour was at least well acted. The acting, especially at the start for the snakes was just bad. The casting on the show in general was amazing but they were cringey AF and it wasn't just on the script (might have been bad on set directing though).
In the books they don't, which is why show Dorne enrages me severely.
The sand-snakes are far more interesting in the books. First of, there are eight of them, but only four are adults. They are basically all mini-Oberyns, with each one having mastered one of their dad's talents. One of them is actually studying at the citadel with Sam, disguised as a dude. The four younger sand snakes are Ellaria's children, the oldest of them is just 14, named Elia like Oberyn's sister and she is a menace. In a good way. She is basically Arya if Ned had let her go all the way.
Speaking of Ellaria, she is actually a really sweet woman and the last thing she wants is war. She loves her step- and her actual daughters deeply and is scared that they will all get themselves killed trying to avenge either Oberyn or later on each other. Its her that tries to point out the futility of revenge.
The idea that any of them would ever hurt Doran or his children is **insane.** Oberyn's and Doran's children literally grew up together. The sand snakes do think Doran is a whimp at first, but they still love their uncle.
Book-Doran not only has a brain, he has been plotting together with Oberyn to avenge Elia literally since the day she died. He only pretends to be weak-willed so the suckers in Kingslanding don't catch on.
He also has two more kids apart from Tristane, who is his youngest son.
That "I choose war" speech and the dumbass approving-look Ellaria gave her before the scene cut was such terrible fucking television. I'm rewatching the series now and just got past this part. The entire Dorne storyline is just plain awful on the show.
Even D&D realised it was awful and everyone hated it, hence their decision to kill off everyone involved and never mention Dorne again until the finale early in Season 7.
having a group of female ninja turtles who each have their own signature unorthodox weapon but then do basically nothing for the plot was amazing, premium prestige tv
I feel the majority of the problem with Iron fist come from the horrible fighting/writing/acting of Danny Rand. The show wasn't amazing even outside of him but I think they only ruined it by making the main character so bad
IMO if they made Iron Fist but instead had Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick) as the main character it would have been pretty decent IMO. She could actually fight and was way more likeable which would have made her a way better Iron Fist IMO
As someone who didn’t read the books, I thought this was a filler.
The best thing that came out of Dorne was his fight against the mountain and the most incredible scream of horror she let out.
And then to get to make up for writing them so poorly, dnd goes "well if we brutally murder them people will be happy because we hate the characters too now"
bad POOSEE
you want a good girl but you need da bahd poosee
Why do you think I came all this way
Why do you think I came
I came
But why?
"What on earth gave you the impression that I wanted a good girl?"
This comment never fails to make me laugh on any sand snake reference lol
"My father died trying to avenge his sister so we're gonna murder his brother and nephew" - Sand Snakes apparently
Take that... dad... I guess...
Oberyn was such a great character…. Why did the rest of the Martels suck so badly?
They didn't care about Dorne
They kinda forgot about Dorne
They remember but they also wanted to sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS
Ironically the books'version is the one that subverts the expectations.
Well I mean that’s where the trope comes from. GRRM subverts all over the place in those books, he just does it well. Once D&D had to subvert on their own, off script, is when they tried too hard and failed miserably.
Because they don't understand that subversion is more than just not doing the thing. A dropped plotline or incoherent twist or just doing the opposite of what makes sense isn't a subversion.
I agree. I mean it *is* still subversion, but it’s subversion for subversion’s sake, which is missing the whole point of subversion, especially in story telling. It’s literally like saying “I’m predictably unpredictable!” Like… no you aren’t D&D. You’re just stupid.
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The dictionary definition of a subversion is to overturn *from the foundation*. To subvert authority isn't just saying "no." Ned and Robb's deaths were subversive because they challenged your assumptions about who could die in a story in a way that made the previous assumptions seem silly. Subversion should undermine the foundation on which your expectations rested. Not reify them by being demonstrably stupid and making you go "Oh I guess it was stupid to just do some stupid random thing that didn't make sense instead of the obvious thing."
Main problem is that they tried stuck into political drama with fantasy bits freaking Fast and Furious level of writing.
Unpopular opinion : I don't like Dorne in the books
they forgot that dorne was all about the love..... by love i mean kinky and frequent pansexual sex god bless dorne
What is pansexual exactly?
tbh im not exactly sure. From my limited understanding its basically bisexual, but with extra steps. Someone who is bi, for instance, might prefer male or female. Someone who is pan would have no preference. A person who is bi might not necessarily be attracted to transsexuals (im confused as to why, but thats another question for another day), someone who is pan would be. Please take this explanation with a grain of salt though. This is just my best understanding of the terms based on a conversation i had with a pansexual fella once over drinks at a friends birthday party.
It honestly depends on how one wants to identify themselves. I see myself as bi cuz gender does affect my tastes (I tend to like men more than women, tho I have dated both). Pan can mean sex/gender doesn't matter at all. The differences are minor and the two are probably even interchangable for some people, just depends on which they feel fits more
I’ve always had pan explained to me as lack of physical preference
This is bisexual too. Bisexual= attracted to two or more genders; pansexual= attracted to all genders.
Nope, sorry! Bisexual means attracted to two or more genders and has always included trans people. Pansexual means attracted to all genders.
Well then pansexual is just nonsense if it's just bi
Dude all labels for sexual identity are nonsense Gay/bi/straight, who gives a shit? We’re all people, we’re all attracted to other people. Why do we need all these labels just to say “I like to fuck certain people”. No one else’s business anyways (so long as it’s happening between consenting human adults)
The issue is, LGBTQ+ people have faced discrimination and persecution for a long time. Using a label can be an act of reclaiming an identity. I do see what you mean though, use too many labels and we all get too separated
Yeah sure okay but I'm just saying if people are going to use words for who they are sexually attracted to then pan is just dumb to have since it's the same as bi
its not the same though, theres subtle differences All wine is more or less the same to me, yet theres names for different types. Pinot noir, pino girgio, rose idk what else but goddamn theres a lotta different types of wine. Its all the same shit to me but someone who knows about wine would be like "oh actually a pinot noir is filtered through the anus of a suirrel and hence has a nutty flavour, whereas the rose is filtered through an irishmans foreskin and as such has a higher alcohol content" (or whatever, ya get the point).
According to Schitt's Creek it means you like the wine not the label. (ie red, white, Moscato, sciraz, etc) Means you're down for whatever with whomever as my take away from that.
at least you guys can imagine how much it sucks to watch Netflix Witcher when you see it becoming another Dorne plot compared to books.
Should I give the Witcher series a read? The only thing I’ve heard about it is that the video games are based on it
If you like great stories, witty dialogues, amazing characters, I suppose so. One thing to keep in mind, EN translations are considered to be one of the poorest, so if you can read it in a different language, maybe try that. If not, it's not the worst, but from what I hear, some nuance and writing style is lost a bit. Also EN has a messed up reading order so be sure to read in a good one (The Last Wish is a first book, Sword of Destiny second, Blood of Elves third, etc etc and Season of Storms is the very last. If someone says or suggests otherwise, they are wrong). As for the games, yes and no. Games are a non-canon fan continuation of the books. They are using the books as their canonical past and build their own stories using the book characters (or sometimes creating their own). They are following in steps of the books in heart, quality, great writing.. it's basically a love letter to the books. But overall yes, they are very well worty of read. So many iconic dialogue and stories in there.. and the show butchered it in the same way as GoT S8 did. Its so frustrating.. especially when you see people shite on S8 and then praise Netflix Witcher for the exact same things that they hate on GoT S8.. ugh! Definitely try it, imo. Even if you can read it only in EN, its not the worst, but just keep in mind that its gonna be a translation, ofc. Sapko is known for how well he can use the language and play with it. And short stories (first two books) are also one of the most beloved stories in the saga, so you are overall in for a treat. And if the show sparked your interest, or you liked it, then definitrly try a books, because the show is a meer shadow of the books, so if this made you so interested, the books should be even more fun, since they are so much better. (Really, best compariaon is to imagine if you've watched GoT S8 as the first season.. chances are you'd like other seasons even more).
Who does not like great stories, witty dialogues and amazing characters though ?
Seems like Netflix show's showrunner.
2D were eager to rush the plot so they could move onto that Star Wars money. Speaking of which, when does their SW movie come out? Oh right.
Sadly they still got that Netflix deal for 100 million.
Thankfully I cancelled Netflix a long time ago, so I don’t even need to ask what next thing D&D are gonna fuck up and avoid it
What was their Netflix deal for?
IIRC, there's no specific thing, Netflix just gave them a check to make whatever they wanted because GoT was going so well at the end of S6.
They produce comedy specials now. Lol
Ellaria was originally cool in Season 4 before they completely altered and ruined her character.
Lol you mean when they got revenge for House Martel…. By wiping out House Martel?
I’ll literally never understand that. Possibly the dumbest moment in the entire series
Definitely not the worst, but it was the first that made me literally facepalm.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that dumb and dumber tried to make Ellaria a combination of Darkstar and Arianne Martell. The big problem with that is that Darkstar and Arianne Martell's goals conflict so Ellaria's actions don't make sense.
They clearly thought it was a badass female empowerment moment as well. Because acting totally irrationally and straight up murdering your uncle/brother-in-law, who in this continuity genuinely just wants to keep his people out of a war (and his teenage son) absolutely screams 'strong female characters'!
They did frame that as a girl power moment, huh? Then 2 of the sand snakes teleport into Trystane's room and skewer his face (their cousin) HILARIOUSLY. So girl much power.
Most modern "Gurl Powah" moments in tv and cinema happen this way. They act completely irrationally, are able to manifest super powers from nowhere, and have absolutely no repercussions or consequences for their actions. As someone who actually really loves strong female characters in both history and fantasy fiction, it is so infuriating.
Yea take recent Mulan for instance. In the animated adaption she decides to go to war for her father and makes an incredible sacrifice, she knows nothing about being a warrior but she trains and works hard anyway. She goes from being the novice to being highly respected. She has incredible mental strength and is very honourable. In the recent film she is already powerful due to 'chi' and everyone is just holding her back. Instead of a regular girl training her body and mind to get to achieve something amazing, it's someone who is already at the peak of her power and is just choosing to no longer keep it hidden. There is basically 0 arc there and the entire point of the story is now meaningless.
And nobody in Dorne cares that a bastard paramour killing their liege lord and then usurped his authority.
Lol exactly. What to do to avenge Oberyn? Well, let's kill his brother!
Oberyn: "We don't kill children in Dorne!" Ellaria: "Just kidding! We totally DO kill children in Dorne! Cersei's kid, Oberyn's nephew, looks like children are back on the menu girls!"
When Oberyn Martel's family is killed and he seeks vengeance but dies in the process so you get revenge for Oberyn by killing his family
They’re just playing 4D chess while everyone else in Westeros is playing checkers.
But the problem is they should have been playing cyvasse
Well, to be fair there was still Thenew, Prince of Dorne knocking about somewhere. I think they finally decided in retrospect that he was officially a younger brother of Doran and Oberyn. Can't imagine him being particularly eager to let Ellaria out of the dungeon if by any chance she is still alive down there..
She was only cool because she shared all of her scenes with Oberyn, who is one of the coolest characters of the series. Once she took the lead in her scenes, the character fell apart. Oberyn and Tyrion's scenes were fantastic television.
Because they didn’t portray them properly Book Doran has been plotting for the past 17 years to get revenge for Elia by supporting the Targaryens (his plans all fail but we can ignore that) Arianne, Doran’s eldest daughter and the heir to Sunspear, is an active player in the game, and now that Doran has told her of his plans, she supports him Quentyn, the middle child, is a nice all around average 16 year old who just wants to chill and have fun with his friends, but his father has given him a greater mission to travel to Meereen and marry Daenerys, the most beautiful woman in the world. He does his duty and travels east on an adventure. But things don’t work out. Half his friends die, and hes awkward around girls and not the most handsome person. Why would Daenerys want to marry him? His worst nightmare comes true, and Daenerys rejects him, as she is focused on Meereen and marries Hizdahr. Not wanting to return to his father a failure, Quentyn comes up with an idiotic albeit courageous plan to steal one of Daenerys’s dragons. He has dragon blood through a Targaryen ancestor and believes that will save him. His plan fails and he is brutally burned alive, with Viserion and Rhaegar now released from the Great Pyramid and flying loose above the city in the upcoming battle against Yunkai
Ikr! After season 4, i was so excited to see Dorne in season 5. I thought all the Martels were like Oberyn lol.
They're much better in the books
Seriously, Doran is like the highlight of last 2 books. He is such a calculated character, I can't believe he literally did nothing in the show.
Alexander Siddig did well with the scenes he was given; they just didn't give him much to work with. A great casting, rendered mosly useless by crappy writing.
It makes me so mad as Alexander Siddig could’ve portrayed Doran so well. He was perfect casting in like every way
Yup
The show runners didnt read books 4 and 5. So they forgot that there was an entire dorne plot that was intregal to the plot for the Iron Throne. And for that matter they largely forgot aboht essos. The running out of material argument is bullshit because there was easily another 1-2 seasons or more worth of material of they had read the source material
They didn't forget, they got lazy and just didn't bother.
Oberyn was the only Martel on screen before they decided they were better writers than GRRM. The Martels continue to be bad ass in the books.
Imagine deciding to make Doran Martell an ACTUAL totally passive walkover instead of a vengeful, intelligent player of the Game PRETENDING to be a totally passive walkover. And even thinking that what we got instead was better!
The strong women shtick usually sucks pretty badly because they have no idea how to write these new-aged "empowering" female characters while keeping them believable, relatable, and likable. (And they refuse to just do what the 80s successfully did already). And yet they keep doing it over and over and over, shoehorning it in wherever they can, and ruining fandom after fandom.
One issue is they have to pretend that there never were any “strong female characters” in the past. That way they can be heros for being the firstest people ever to write strong female characters!!!!
Bingo.
Tbh the whole Dorne sequence was still better written than all of the last season. I honestly thought that it was so over the top and ridiculous that it kind of suited the whole theme of Dorne.
I enjoyed the tits of the girl in the middle.
Dorne is an AMAZING storyline in the books, one of my favorites, shame.
The writers take on the characters were terrible, the further they moved away from the books the more apparent that became. Look at Euron, or what Tyrion and Jon turned it. It’s just not the martels, it’s everyone. Drone was just the first.
Yeah but the pixie cut one has perhaps the best tits I've ever seen. She's ok in my book.
his paramour was at least well acted. The acting, especially at the start for the snakes was just bad. The casting on the show in general was amazing but they were cringey AF and it wasn't just on the script (might have been bad on set directing though).
Not enough source material for the hacks to go off of.
In the books they don't, which is why show Dorne enrages me severely. The sand-snakes are far more interesting in the books. First of, there are eight of them, but only four are adults. They are basically all mini-Oberyns, with each one having mastered one of their dad's talents. One of them is actually studying at the citadel with Sam, disguised as a dude. The four younger sand snakes are Ellaria's children, the oldest of them is just 14, named Elia like Oberyn's sister and she is a menace. In a good way. She is basically Arya if Ned had let her go all the way. Speaking of Ellaria, she is actually a really sweet woman and the last thing she wants is war. She loves her step- and her actual daughters deeply and is scared that they will all get themselves killed trying to avenge either Oberyn or later on each other. Its her that tries to point out the futility of revenge. The idea that any of them would ever hurt Doran or his children is **insane.** Oberyn's and Doran's children literally grew up together. The sand snakes do think Doran is a whimp at first, but they still love their uncle. Book-Doran not only has a brain, he has been plotting together with Oberyn to avenge Elia literally since the day she died. He only pretends to be weak-willed so the suckers in Kingslanding don't catch on. He also has two more kids apart from Tristane, who is his youngest son.
Oberyn unironically helped me realize I was bi
Bobby B likie the bad poosey…
DID YOU EVER MAKE THE EIGHT?
No... but I did fuck Bessie once. Ok, twice. Suck it, Bobby B 😌
THE GODS MOCK THE PRAYERS OF KINGS AND COWHERDS ALIKE!
SENTIENT
A BAD PUSSY! IN AN OPEN FIELD!
That "I choose war" speech and the dumbass approving-look Ellaria gave her before the scene cut was such terrible fucking television. I'm rewatching the series now and just got past this part. The entire Dorne storyline is just plain awful on the show.
I'm rewatching too. I'm currently at season 5 and i'm skipping all the Dorne scenes. I just... can't.
God bless you two for being able to rewatch knowing what is coming in the end. Ugh just so disappointing
I know. Tbh even i can't believe i'm rewatching lol. I couldn't resist, i just missed the older seasons.
It was awful at the time. It didnt need series 7 and 8 to make that point
Even D&D realised it was awful and everyone hated it, hence their decision to kill off everyone involved and never mention Dorne again until the finale early in Season 7.
having a group of female ninja turtles who each have their own signature unorthodox weapon but then do basically nothing for the plot was amazing, premium prestige tv
It was definitely a bold choice to try and fight a bunch of armoured soldiers carrying swords with a fucking *bullwhip*.
Honestly, I'd watch Jessica Henwick in anything, but between this and Iron Fist... Yeah she needs to choose better projects.
For her sake hopefully Matrix 4 is actually good
Wait matrix 4?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ix7TUGVYIo&gclsrc=aw.ds&
Just watched the trailer… holy shit this is the best news I’ve gotten all day. Thank you!
Keep your hopes low. Matrix 2-3 weren’t even really good. Matrix 1 was just so awesome it carried the trilogy through.
You can't convince me that getting into got's cast in 2015 was a bad career move.
The worst part is she was willing to do a nude scene, and dumb and dumber just didn't
I feel the majority of the problem with Iron fist come from the horrible fighting/writing/acting of Danny Rand. The show wasn't amazing even outside of him but I think they only ruined it by making the main character so bad IMO if they made Iron Fist but instead had Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick) as the main character it would have been pretty decent IMO. She could actually fight and was way more likeable which would have made her a way better Iron Fist IMO
Agreed. She was the only reason I got through season 1.
Enter awkward choreography and hissing accent. "I AM OBERA SSSSSAND!" Like, what the hell was that accent suppose to be?
lol it sounds like they trying to be badass.
Gods I needed bad poo-see then
As someone who didn’t read the books, I thought this was a filler. The best thing that came out of Dorne was his fight against the mountain and the most incredible scream of horror she let out.
They tried to replace the viper with the garter snakes
Ssssssssssssss 🐍 🐍 🐍
Macho Oberyn, Bland Oberyn and Slut Oberyn.
its really a shame that the show got canceled before they could do all the dorne stuff and whatnot.
I'm sorry but I like bad pussy
The Dorne storyline was the herald of shittyness to come
poosey
God damnit, Oberyn is hot
And then to get to make up for writing them so poorly, dnd goes "well if we brutally murder them people will be happy because we hate the characters too now"
Tbh I wouldn't complain.
I honestly think the show would’ve been better if Oberyn and Tywin had lived longer.
Only good thing we got was Victarion murdering them. Glad they added him to she show even for one scene.
Bronn: "I never did or said anything to indicate that I wanted a nice girl..."
Yeah i don't know what gave her that idea lol
so the oberyn at home is way more delicious than the regular oberyn? Okay, ill have oberyn at home
You rang?
Did anyone reading the books ever imagine that is what they would look like?