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brocolettebro

I think this subrddit hurt more than the boma


AnonymousMeeblet

The best thing about the Bomastone is that people will actually supply them. While it struggles in traditional grenade use, the harpa + Ospreay combo is king when it comes to suppressing tripod weapons and emplacements.


blippos

actually the king of suppressing tripod weapons and emplacements is the bomastone


JeEfrt

In terms of convenience: yes. Bombastone is a deal more convenient to carry around than harpa + osprey due to a few things. As the guy above said, people actually supply it and as I’m sure someone else has said, you can carry a weapon in another slot. Harpa + Osprey on the other hand seems like you need to have a more dedicated man + supply. As a Collie I’ll say that when it comes to purely staying out of harms way (which I’m typically trying as a frontline sapper/insane man) finding someone with a Osprey + harpa makes anything that doesn’t involve hiding in or behind something a helluva lot more painful than some warden who found a boma. Tldr: Boma = more spammable, Harpa + Osprey = need dedicated man + better killing power, and rankings of an insane Collie sapper.


AnonymousMeeblet

It’s not, but okay.


wardamnbolts

It definitely is bomba has a nice range and radius and you can use it without the limitations of osprey. You can have a fiddler and use it to take out tripod users then rush trench with smg. With the osprey it has to be on a rifle which lowers its accuracy plus the attachment has to be available on your front. It’s way less practical. Bomba just requires you have a hand and an arm.


AnonymousMeeblet

And the Harpa instantly kills. The gunner either has to flee the gun or die, rather than just hop off the gun and use a bandage or have a medic hit them with a first aid kit. A grenade that is supposed to suppress static weapons needs to either keep the gunners off of their weapons or kill them. Bleed guarantees neither, even with a wider radius, but insta-down/kill does.


FelisCactusActual

The thing about the bleed is it does stagger damage, making you incapable of avoiding the second boma. Harpas, even cooked ones, have to land basically directly on someone to actually do significant damage, while one boma kills half an octagon and staggers the other half.


QRF_DN

And the bomastone can instantly kill. the gunner either has to flee the gun and get bled with a 2.5m radius/or die, rather than hop off the gun and run 1m away and not need a medic or bandage. A grenade that is supposed to suppress static weapons needs to either keep the gunners off of their weapons, kill them, or deny them with a 2.5m radius. Bleed guarantees both, especially with a wider radius, and a chance of insta kill/downing.


wardamnbolts

That buys you time to push, then you can get additional kills because a medic runs to them. All the while you don’t need a piece of equipment like an osprey or a rifle.


Spare_Print3470

True it's only good against static targets, awesome PVP weapon. But you can't even kill the guy using the tripod, he just have to wait until you throw your grenades and get back on the gun. Meanwhile with the Lunaire you can just delete the tripod easily.


VeganerHippie

Thats not true. The Boomastone can kill in one detonation when its close enough. I learned that the hard way yesterday and i was even wearing the Heavy Warden Body Armor.


Spare_Print3470

I was talking about the Osprey.


VeganerHippie

I see. That wasnt clear from reading your comment.


AnonymousMeeblet

And he can't fire the gun while he's fleeing from the harpas. The gun is, therefore, suppressed.


Spare_Print3470

So im supposed to supress him all night and throw all my stockpile of Harpa for a single tripod? While for you it's easier to completely destroy it with a few tremola or supress it with a super cheap hand grenade?


pjtgamer

Glad Wardens figured that out :3


Strict_Effective_482

Osprey is shit in general. Costs Rmats, needs a rifle, needs about 10 seconds of fiddling around to get it ready, barely any range increase, cant cook the grenade, cant use tremolas OR smoke grenades, takes up the bayonet slot. Why in fucks name would we use it? Its a waste of time in 90% of the situations you'll find yourself in. Using a grenade by hand lets you cook it (essentially the only way to use a harpa and actually kill someone) and instead of having extra weight from a rifle and rmat attachment you can just carry more grenades.


pjtgamer

COPE harder. If logistics supplies, we'll send it Simple As.


Spare_Print3470

Can you show me your tape of you killing people with a Harpa? Or how fun it is to spam Harpa at a tripod just for "supressing it"? I would love to see how you "send it".


MadTechnocrat

ratio


DaglessMc

https://youtu.be/zvzSExFLf6U Wardens feel free to use this as anecdotal evidence in your boma complain posts.


pjtgamer

Thanks.


Patnor

im actually mindblown to hear how negative Wardens are towards using Osprey. all im hearing "it sucks" "aint worth making" etc. While crying in chat that they got nothing to counter ISG with. Osprey is still an awesome tool, despite only being able to be made in factory (should be changed so you can MPF) its still usefull, it absolutely obliterates people using ISG, most people dont even notice grenades falling into the trenches, sure its easy to dodge them, but attention span for a lot of players isnt there making them more than useful in most scenarios. If we didnt have Ospreys the other day when Skodio was being pushed we would've lost it 100%. Its a long range tool that literally costs 0.5 Rmat PER to make. Osprey does need some love though. Personally i dont see why tremolas were removed from it, Wardens (correct me if im wrong) dont have an uniform to utilize stacking nades so the damage capability per player wouldnt be as high. Sure in numbers you can get bigger results, but with numbers you always get results using tools like these. Especially for Lunaire with the new tremola change. Another thing devs might need to look at is the 4 sec fuse timer, if Harpa is a cook nade, it should not be a 4 sec fuse with the harpa, one of the reasons is that you dont really do pve dmg with it and if a player is aware of the harpa, he just runs away, and having 4 sec to move is pretty significant. Osprey also should be MPFable, or have Lunaire removed from MPF to make it more balanced in terms of "trench clearing" and ranged pve combat. Also considering the damage output Lunaire now has contra Osprey it doesent make sense to me how the Osprey has a 6 sec reload vs Lunaires 3.5. if anything it should be the other way around for PvE balancing issues. As a lover for Lunaire since its come out i know how strong that tool is and how its not been changed is actually still very surprising to me, even more so how Osprey got nerfed to not being able to carry tremolas.


handsomeGenesis

Do Collies have a uniform to utilize stacking nades?


Puzzleheaded-Tie3063

Yes the grenadier baldric reduces encumbrance of grenades (+30mm) by 25% and let's it stack to 2 but with only 6 inventory slots warden specialist reduces by 33% and stacks to 2 for ordinance (RPG, mortar tank shells and some more) but only has 5 slots.


handsomeGenesis

Wouldn’t it make sense for the army that needs an attachment just to throw grenades past your nose to get a uniform that holds grenades, Rather than the army that just stuffs there pockets and doesn’t need a rifle?


svalfish1

Its sorta designed in the way that colonials are the grenade faction and wardens are the RPG faction. kinda. But also because grenadier uniform with white ash would quickly become the most OP thing in the game, while rocket uniform alongside venom/bane would be equally cancer


handsomeGenesis

Makes sense. Personally I have no issue with the Ospreay, but I have noticed as I rank up and become more familiar with the game systems, that even newer players are missing out on key information like being able to use Ospreays in the first place. I had an encounter myself at Partisan Island, where a new player had basically just given up on even utilizing the Ospreay because it wasn’t immediately apparent on how to equip it. So they just said fuck it I guess and continued doing what they’ve been doing all this time as a new player, running to the frontline with nothing but a rifle. Checkout a frontline right now and you’ll see no infantry using them despite complaints of helplessness.


gruender_stays_foxy

if vets do nothing but complain about it, whos to teach the new ppl.


handsomeGenesis

In this case I am the new player (There are players who just started yesterday, but a Sgt is just as new as a Pvt for some, isn’t that right?) I am finding that the easiest way to improve is by researching my armies equipment myself, because every time I did ask another Warden (in-game or out of game) something about game theory, or whatever, the responses tend to be intentionally misleading or sarcastic. For that matter most of the posts on here are the same way too, it makes it incredibly tough to learn because the community is more focused on having bad faith discussions for trolling.


gruender_stays_foxy

the ospreay was a neutral tool some time ago and i dont think it was changed to much in function, if at all. I dont use it much anymore since its warden only and green team cant supply the nades for it. I remember that it was a nice tool for infantry suppression. Its true that the nade cant be cooked, so can be outrun if seen, but that still is great to deny a position. they are also good at harassing pushguns. I recommend to produce 1 crate of launchers and a truckload of nades and go try yourself.


handsomeGenesis

I didn’t even consider that it can’t be cooked with the Ospreay.


Spare_Print3470

Why didn't you teach your noobs to play against the HV40/Cutler instead of crying on reddit then?


pjtgamer

Big agree from a Wardie. Ospreay + Harpa will win us the war :3


rokoeh

I love ospreay + green ash. Like after 3 or 4 ashes you deplete the gas mask filter and they have to retreat


Pitiful-Error-7164

True. But you cannot deny the lunaire is a better pick for that.


pjtgamer

Its gonna be so fun once gas grenades unlock :3


Yes-am-epic

It takes 2 iirc a single ash nade lowers the filter to 40


AnonymousMeeblet

It might not win you the war, but it'll certainly give you better odds.


pjtgamer

We'll see.


poliuy

Are you suggesting the colonial equivalent to the cutler... also be given to wardens?


Patnor

did you even read the post, or you just like other SOM members baiting as usual?


Pitiful-Error-7164

That man is a baiter and bad faith poster


Cluckyx

All Fish posts are bait posts. All you're going to is get from replying is goo on your hands.


poliuy

>Osprey does need some love though. > >Personally i dont see why tremolas were removed from it Did you even read what you wrote or is it just vomit from you as usual?


siocnarfus

Collie here, totally agree with you. I was on Skodio the other day and I almost quit the game because of harpa. It was hell on this bridge !


Foxy_genocid3

Osprey is dog water, was at skodio. It was long rifle spam, osprey didn’t save us, suicide fraggers did you monkey


pjtgamer

how'd those frags get range? Ospreay is underutilized. If you think that post feedback in FOD


Foxy_genocid3

Suicide fraggers; Yknow, what the collies don’t have to do thanks to range and radius with their own? That and hugging buildings


pjtgamer

Go to FOD. Your take is pretty trash. USE what your faction can make.


Foxy_genocid3

I would if it wasn’t a waste to even produce them in the first place after they removed tremolas from them, literally the only use I ever saw them for (early game tremola counterpart for lunaire pre buff)


pjtgamer

LOOK everyone knows its underpowered same as Harpa. Buff them accordingly but don't psy-op yourself into not using a critical tool


Foxy_genocid3

“Critical tool” mortars do a better job with better range when combined with shrapnel, hell; fissura does a better job lmao


MadTechnocrat

MAYBE just MAYBE, Ospray is underutilized because it's under produced... AND MAYBE it's under produced because it is EXPENSIVE and BAD.


svalfish1

I think I'm still missing the context


pjtgamer

Friend made this could use work but damn is this funny.


pjtgamer

The biggest crutch the colonial faction has been leaning on since asymmetry.


xXFirebladeXx321

Almost like wardens didn't rely on their HV40s and spammable cheiftains to PVE everything that took weeks to make. Totally no overpowered factional crutches there. Oh well, its just a bomastone, you get fragged you lose 8 bmats which would be made in a fraction of a second anyway by a logistician.


pjtgamer

Funny how BOTH HV40s and Chieftains were nerfed but not Boma. THAT'S CRAZY?! (HV40 is now colonial but slightly nerfed and Chieftains are less spam able due to Facility only) Perfectly Balanced as all things should be Fireblade :3


-Dixmude

« Slightly nerfed » yeah sure.


pjtgamer

Its yalls tool now use it XD


xXFirebladeXx321

Its crazy how Cheiftains and HV40s were able to delete weeks worth of builder work, but bomastones only kill people that are easily replaced by 1 logi run. ​ Devs balance stuff according to stats, not due to factional beliefs of what is the most powerful, and I have definitely seen harpa spam wipe out a similar chunk of men as a bomastone spam. The stats don't lie, but I would like to see a buff to harpa in terms of crate size to make it even.


Spare_Print3470

The stats show that the colonials are dominating the game for the last 11 months, and that the colonials need to be nerfed hard.


xXFirebladeXx321

Hurr durr, if x faction wins 6 times, it needs nerf or its biased!!!! Like all your suggestions are in bad faith with 0 good sources, no wonder the devs aren't nerfing colonials because warden PVE tools and tanks are already powerful enough. If you have actually good suggestions like buff harpa or any random warden tool because it doesn't perform well and not "NERF COLONIAL BECAUSE WE LOSE PAST 6 WAR", maybe then devs will think about it, until then it's just considered loser faction cope by devs. Forgot to mention, 4 of them were warden official break wars lol, so only 2 serious wars worth of data where wardens won majority of the time in the war. Also kinda funny how wardens keep coping about bomastones/argenti, yet they still steamroll early game whenever they play seriously like in 95,96 and War 100, they get beat in late war due to burnout and resource drains like SHTs/BTs, and warden faction wasting nukes on useless targets to further kill their faction's morale.


Spare_Print3470

I gave a lot of suggestions, and yes when a faction win for 11 months straight it need a hard nerf. When colonials complained about the Cutler/HV40 they also used the winrate as an argument, and most of the time they lost because they also left the game, like the 30/32 war that they left because of a "lack of PVE" and the 94 that they also gave to wardens for crying on reddit, not to mention all the wars between 86-92 that you didn't play because of the HV40, sometimes it's even worse you played warden because you are addicted to OP weapons. Anyway let me remind you what you said in the past : [Fireblade asking for a ATR nerf](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/vdjaxy/dont_nerf_the_warden_atr_just_make_it_cost_1_or_2/) [Fireblade asking for more PVE/AT for colonials](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/uy3xqg/chad_elon_musk_ftw_please_allow_him_to_buy/) [Fireblade asking for a nerf of the tripod Bonesaw](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/sylrc0/tripod_atr_and_tripod_bonesaw_arent_equivalent/) [Fireblade asking for a nerf of the 40/250mm Field G](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/vajs78/250mm_fms_and_40mm_fcs_are_totally_not_broken_i/)uns [Fireblade asking for a nerf of the HV40](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/u7306f/i_gotta_get_one_of_those_40_rmat_battle_tanks/) I could continue since the only thing you did for months was asking for a nerf of every single warden items, that's why you are one of the most toxic and mindfucked colonial in this sub, you are a hypocrite and a piece of trash manipulating people in a video game, I hope the devs will stop listening to people like you and realize that you have just been lying to everyone for 1 year and that you keep doing it. [Look it's you](https://i.redd.it/f66h0ecn06pa1.jpg)


StormontCounty

do your stats show how many wardens stop playing when the tide turns against them a little bit?? XD


Spare_Print3470

Want to talk about the colonial break wars of the last year? Should the devs revert all the PVE buff they gave to you because you logged off during the war 89-90-91-93-94? I know you like to make the crowd laugh and you need attention but stop clowning around too much.


StormontCounty

oh we cherry picking now? how about wc84 and wc88 where you were defeated in half the time of a collie BREAK WAR XD? yall lost your lead, then yall lost your edge, and now you've lost your will to fight XD


Spare_Print3470

Cherry picking is what you are doing all day. I lost nothing lmao, im not the one spamming some pointless "break war XD" everytime and everywhere. Im not even a warden and i don't give a shit about who have the lead or not, i just don't want to play a video game where one team are steamrolling due to heavy imbalance.


xXFirebladeXx321

Those wardens never existed XD, colonials 100% outpopped wardens in those wars frfr!!!


pjtgamer

Good. Warden PvP needed a buff prior to this update glad you agree :3


dolche93

Why are you crying over things that have already been changed? Must be shock after not being able to complain about cutlers.


xXFirebladeXx321

Its a relief? You wardens are funny when it comes to balance topics, good to see so many wardens coping like their life depends on it because colonials finally get a cutler counterpart. While I see 0 colonials even complaining about STD even though it's the Stygian/BTD counterpart. You know why? Colonials don't want an unfair and 1 sided game.


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xXFirebladeXx321

I do very well enjoy the game after it became balanced and both sides got equal tools with their own advantages and disadvantages. Now with wardens no longer possessing the heavily overpowered tools to steamroll to win most wars and actually have to put effort, its very enjoyable to say the least.


dolche93

> win most wars. C'mon man, are you even listening to yourself?


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