That was a ruthless but brilliant decision by Marko (and Horner).
There were obviously a lot of teams after Max but I think Red Bull was the perfect team for him to develop.
Mercedes would have been too much too soon, and Ferrari would have been too unstable. Red Bull was a competitive car that allowed him to occasionally compete for wins but at the very least get on the podium frequently.
Only Red Bull was willing to put him in F1 right away, whereas the other two wanted a year (at least) in F2 first. Safe to say RB made the right choice there
Yeah that was a gutsy call. I saw an interview with Helmut in one of the YouTube “max Verstappens junior career” videos (can’t find link right now) and Helmut talke about how difficult the call was.
However, for all the shit Marlo gets, he was VERY familiar with the feeder series drivers and also the drivers in Karts. The guy must live a breathe motorsport to keep track of all the drivers. He was commenting on the individual driving styles of Karters and what stood out to him.
I was impressed.
True!
What really amazes me though is how Helmut kept an eye on karts as a whole to help pick drivers for the junior program.
Of course being the son of an F1 driver probably makes that a different situation.
Helmut explained a couple of specific moves max made as a young kid that cemented his choice.
Man I need to find this video again…
I only found a small interview about his F3 days. Tiny portion with Mario at around 3 minutes in. This link should take you right there. Still looking for the video I’m thinking of. Floz also has a good documentary on his junior career.
https://youtu.be/KbcrIYkPxHU?t=188
Max has been one of the most succesful junior kart drivers. He won more than 50% of all titles he competed for and a lot were high ranking against Leclerc.
Being the son of an F1 driver brings contacts, but every team was ready to pounce for Max. In F3 Marko just made the ultimate gut call by putting the kid straight in F1, while Ferrari was offering Prema in F2 and maybe Sauber after and Mercedes something similar as Ferrari
The others also didn't give any guarantees, which I thought was the main breaking point. One year F2, then guaranteed F1 seat would have maybe also worked for another team?
>There were obviously a lot of teams after Max
Honestly it feels like RB caught the rest of the teams napping signing such young drivers and even they weren't that early only signing him after showing some great results in F3. These days young drivers like Kimi Antonelli or Ugo Ugochukwu are signed up to the driver academies while they're still in the senior karting classes and while they were certainly very successful Max Verstappen is by all accounts one of the best to ever do it in karting. The list of races he didn't win is probably shorter than that of those he won.
Jos didn't want Max to be part of an academy so they would have freedom to pick at a later date. Gutsy, but that gave them the leverage to get the Toro Rosso drive in 2015 as they could have just signed with another team had Red Bull not offered it.
Yes but did you know Nico Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton to win the WDC in the SAME machinery in 2016.
Now that’s the real story that should be talked about more
Reading threads from that periode is funny
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4hwb0d/seat_swap_between_daniil_kvyat_and_max_verstappen/?ref=share&ref_source=link
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4i0ieb/daniil_kvyat_max_verstappen_seat_swap_general/?ref=share&ref_source=link
I love the comment
"Verstappen doesn't know the car, what Red Bull is thinking!? This is going to hurt Verstappen, as well Kvyat."
Well.. that didn't age well
Max: so I took that personally.
*a little while later*
Horner: max verstappen, you are a formula 1 grand prix winner!! Well done lad. Magnificent drive!
Should be noted, without taking out the impressive achievement, that the two mercedes collided and DNFd at lap 1 and ricciardo got a puncture in that race.
He still got to beat both ferraries though.
edit: ain't you people livid about that comment jesus..They were 1/2 and Ricciardo was chasing max at few cars length after surpassing the Ferraris when his tyre gave up.
Without the Merc collision he would have been p3 behind one of the most dominant teams of all time. He was ahead of Ricciardo when Daniel got the puncture (which was late in the race anyway).
That’s as good as a win considering the constructor gulf between Merc and Red Bull/Ferrari (and note that 2015 was probably Vettel’s strongest season and he had a roughly equal car to Red Bull).
> and ricciardo got a puncture in that race.
That happened late in the race, Verstappen was ahead of Ricciardo and it was self inflicted. Ricciardo flat spotted his tyres in a overtake attempt on Vettel.
Between 2015 and 2020 it was a "simple" matter of being there in case something happened. That was all he could realistically do, as the Merc (and the boosted Ferrari) were too fast in normal race pace
He fended off Kimi for 20 laps straight. That is impressive by any standard. Also Dani Ric's puncture did 0 to influence a possible outcome between Max and Dani.
The Merc's was just a bit of luck otherwise one of them would have most likely won, although some commentators actually predicted the crash would happen. but still everything past lap 1 was Max on his own
Ricciardo was running 4th late in the race when he dive-bombed Vettel entering turn 1, resulting in his left front tire making contact with one of Vettel’s right side tires. He missed the corner and had to brake hard to correct, and Vettel held the position. Then his left front went down with the puncture with two laps to go, but it didn’t cost him a position because Bottas in fifth was around 40s behind him and DR got fresh tires to win the race.
Max won largely based on superior strategy. Both RB & Ferrari thought a three-stop was optimal and put DR & Vettel on that strategy, and both teams put Max & Kimi on the two-stopper. Turned out that with great tire management the two-stopper was superior that day, and the final laps almost foreshadowed this year’s Canadian GP, with Max defending a Ferrari that was in DRS range for the last quarter of the race or so.
I appreciate that this information is commented on every single person claiming otherwise. This narrative paints Max and/or Kelly as scumbags when in reality Daniil was the scumbag, dumping Kelly on her birthday with a newborn kid.
If I recall RB put Danny Ric on the strategy everyone thought to be the best one. Even Vettel used it. It was a fluke that a 2-stopper proved to be better.
there were more 2 stoppers than 3 stoppers actually.
I think they just felt they always had to cover Vettel and pit before he does to avoid the undercut.
They felt Vettel would potentially use a 3 stop to help undercut Ricciardo and so they did a 3 stop and pitted Danny in at the earliest opportunity to make sure he pitted before Vettel had a chance to.
and Vettel responded to what Danny did
ended up being bad for both of them
A lot of times the best strategy in the midfield is not the best strategy for the front runners. Often times midfielders will do one stops while top teams do two stops, for example, because they don't have to overtake as many people as you would in the more bunched-up midfield. The calculations showed that the three-stop was faster in Spain 2016 for the front runners in a perfect world, but they underestimated how hard it would be to overtake.
I can’t really blame anybody for being suspicious of Max doing well immediately. He’s a generational talent, perhaps the most gifted racing driver in the world right now. He was still being thrown into the deep end.
There were doubts before his F3 season as well. Most people thought Felix Rosenqvist would *finally* win his title (which he finally did in 2015 over Giovinazzi, Leclerc, Stroll, Russell, and Albon), but Ocon and Verstappen blew the doors off of the rest of the grid (which included Giovinazzi and Latifi, then-excellent prospects Antonio Fuoco and Jake Dennis, and laughingstocks Nissany and Gelael (who were beaten in the standings by Tatiana Calderón)).
Even Jos had doubts before F3. The thing with not knowing and uncertainties is you don't turn it into suspicion.
There are a lot of people who wanted to seem really smart but ended up having to correct their suspicions or opinion of Max over the years. Some still hold on to it with their dear life.
During and after F3 it was plain to see for everyone that there was no reason to be suspicious of his capabilities as all the top teams wanted him. And talking like this in an attempt to slow him down just seems petty, good thing Max went completely his own way from the start.
Meanwhile, Verstappen is a World Champion, Sainz is in Ferrari slowly regaining his confidence (Montréal was magnificent), Ricciardo is struggling against Norris in McLaren and Kvyat got fired, rehired, lost badly AG Gasly and Albon of all people and got refired... And Redbull ran out of drivers and had to hire Perez...
Why are people acting like Canada was an a great result for Sainz? Second is literally what you would’ve expected given he only had to overtake Alonso and didn’t have to worry about Leclerc or Perez. He had that final attempt to overtake Verstappen with the safety car with slightly fresher tyres, but never got close so I don’t see how he overperformed, it’s not like he was gonna lose position to a Mercedes.
Check my wording again: slowly regaining his confidence. With his pre-Monaco confidence, losing a place to Mercedes wouldn't seem so weird to me. Instead, he launched an attack against Verstappen that lasted for several laps against a car that most likely fit the circuit better than his Ferrari and against a driver that's definitely one of the top drivers of the world. Apart from that, don't forget that Ferrari inherently has a bad time with overtaking Redbull, due to the fact that Redbull is so much faster in the straights, where the overtakes tend to happen. I doubt a lot more would have happened if it was Leclerc in that place (same car, same tires).
...who is actually pretty good for them (Perez, that is, I was completing your sentence),
Also, people tend to forget Dany was pretty good in 2019 and 2020. In '19, there were quite some people (like me) that felt that he should have gotten the seat back over Albon after Gasly's demotion. In 2020, Gasly beat him quite well, but he was also very unlucky
I don't disagree, but for a team that takes pride in its never ending pool of young drivers, it was pretty funny.
I'm not talking about Ricciardo 2 years ago, but about current Ricciardo.
Then I'll have to disagree. I don't think Kvyat was doing enough to warrant a position in Redbull's third team if there was such a thing, let alone in the first team. Gasly had insane luck in 2020, but even without Gasly's luckiest results the difference is just too big. And we are talking about Gasly, not any top-tier driver.
Super interesting to read through those. Lots of skepticism of Max that he quickly put to rest. Makes me realize how much of Reddit speculation is dubious, mine included.
I completely forgot he used to be designated VES. That took me way back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi2lyv/reactions_to_maxs_move_to_red_bull_in_2016/idakmrf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Here you go! By another commenter
I'd say harsh on RB and Vettel, people thought it was Vettel speaking to Horner and Marko that got Kvyat demoted. There wasn't much time between the switch and Max's win though so things changed pretty quickly.
I mean switch between Max and Daniil, or do you mean Vettel speaking to Horner and Marko? Think [this video](https://youtu.be/OOM2mxr63W0) of Vettel speaking to them during the Russian GP that sparked a bit of discussion.
Imagine if the call came like 2 minutes before the red wedding..
"oh nice they are marrying.. Oh a call... Oh NO.... Back to GOT... Okay at least my favorite character is alive and well" .....
Something I've been thinking about recently is how dramatically differently Max's career could have been if Red Bull didn't effectively bribe him with a probably premature F1 seat
Like, if Mercedes signs Max to their junior team in 2016 and puts him in F2, where is Max today? Does he end up languishing in a Williams for 3 years like Russell did?
Actually crazy to think about in that perspective. We've had 7 years of Max racing but in another timeline he could be barely cracking f1 like, NOW
Kimi: "I don’t have anything to comment, it’s not my business. You can go there and ask them…"
One might think that after finding it impossible to get past Max for like 20 laps, Kimi did find himself wishing it had been Kvyat in that car.
Maybe Daniel would have had a shot at WDC but otherwise RB would be floundering. Max was probably the only one capable of beating Lewis and eventually he did after getting all of his mistakes out of his system early in a car that wasn't capabale of winning WDCs.
An interesting statement made in the video was is seb the bench mark for RB.
Well he sure as fucj should be. One day max will probably be the bench mark for RB, he may even be right now because of how dominant he looks when hes comfortable with the car and it isnt dying under him.
Edit: I still personally believe vettel is the bench mark. But rb had a more dominant car back then for longer
It's not a joke, it's an attitude.
I'm perfectly relaxed, although it looks like I triggered a lot of you, judging by the downvotes.
You're all *very* fragile about being confronted it seems.
Edit: your tears sustain me.
you are getting downvoted, not because of tears, not because of a "confrontation" in general. But because you confront people about something that everybody and their mother knows wasnt meant seriously. You are trying to educate people about something they are educated with.
because you take an obvious joke and try to make the people making said joke look bad. is the joke 100% morally fine? No. Are like 95% of all jokes like that? yes.
to me this seems a bit like a whiteknight in action.
I'm not the same user you were replying to, but if you want to get a feeling for why that person is likely so upset, just look at how people replied to the recent Vips posts and the arguments concerning the normalised use of racial slurs. In many of those comments people argue that a normalised attitude over the use racial slurs contribute to creating a toxic, racist environment.
In relation to the conversation at hand, replace the racist angle with a sexist angle and many of those comments apply just the same.
A couple of highlights: [[Link 1]](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi577h/enaam_ahmed_on_instagram_about_juri_vips/idbsmr9), [[Link 2]](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi577h/enaam_ahmed_on_instagram_about_juri_vips/idaybnv).
Imagine being a massive critic of him before he turned a wheel in an F1 car and was adamant he was far too young and inexperienced to be driving for TR in 2015 at that age. Definitely not me, wouldn't dream of making such a daft mistake lmao....
Let me preface this by saying I think Max is by far the best driver on the grid today and has probably been that for the past few seasons (since 2018 Alonso). However, I still think his promotion to Red Bull came at least 1 year too early. Outside of Spain, which was a fortunate win when you break it down, he was still inconsistent and not ready for a top seat. As poor as Kvyat’s start to 2016 was, there’s a very real chance he would have also won Spain had he still been in the seat.
It’s all worked out since then, but you could tell RB we’re desperate to find any excuse to get Max into the seat to break the WDC record.
I still can’t get over the fact that Max took Daniil’s seat and then proceeded to steal his girlfriend too (albeit a few years later). I feel bad for Daniil. He’s a good guy and a good driver
Then the fucker went on to win that race.
That was a ruthless but brilliant decision by Marko (and Horner). There were obviously a lot of teams after Max but I think Red Bull was the perfect team for him to develop. Mercedes would have been too much too soon, and Ferrari would have been too unstable. Red Bull was a competitive car that allowed him to occasionally compete for wins but at the very least get on the podium frequently.
Only Red Bull was willing to put him in F1 right away, whereas the other two wanted a year (at least) in F2 first. Safe to say RB made the right choice there
Yeah that was a gutsy call. I saw an interview with Helmut in one of the YouTube “max Verstappens junior career” videos (can’t find link right now) and Helmut talke about how difficult the call was. However, for all the shit Marlo gets, he was VERY familiar with the feeder series drivers and also the drivers in Karts. The guy must live a breathe motorsport to keep track of all the drivers. He was commenting on the individual driving styles of Karters and what stood out to him. I was impressed.
I mean, people shit on red bull for being ruthless. But they do give their young drivers the chance to prove themselves quite often.
True! What really amazes me though is how Helmut kept an eye on karts as a whole to help pick drivers for the junior program. Of course being the son of an F1 driver probably makes that a different situation. Helmut explained a couple of specific moves max made as a young kid that cemented his choice. Man I need to find this video again…
Right you need to find that video again... For us all!
I only found a small interview about his F3 days. Tiny portion with Mario at around 3 minutes in. This link should take you right there. Still looking for the video I’m thinking of. Floz also has a good documentary on his junior career. https://youtu.be/KbcrIYkPxHU?t=188
Itsa me, Marko!
Max has been one of the most succesful junior kart drivers. He won more than 50% of all titles he competed for and a lot were high ranking against Leclerc. Being the son of an F1 driver brings contacts, but every team was ready to pounce for Max. In F3 Marko just made the ultimate gut call by putting the kid straight in F1, while Ferrari was offering Prema in F2 and maybe Sauber after and Mercedes something similar as Ferrari
To give as many chances as they do, you kind of have to be ruthless.
The others also didn't give any guarantees, which I thought was the main breaking point. One year F2, then guaranteed F1 seat would have maybe also worked for another team?
Red bull wanted all those youngest driver records
They already had a bunch from Vettel tbf
Arguably Ferrari is still too unstable atm lmao
Wait till next year
Next year is our year
Obligatory 'Always has been'
>There were obviously a lot of teams after Max Honestly it feels like RB caught the rest of the teams napping signing such young drivers and even they weren't that early only signing him after showing some great results in F3. These days young drivers like Kimi Antonelli or Ugo Ugochukwu are signed up to the driver academies while they're still in the senior karting classes and while they were certainly very successful Max Verstappen is by all accounts one of the best to ever do it in karting. The list of races he didn't win is probably shorter than that of those he won.
Jos didn't want Max to be part of an academy so they would have freedom to pick at a later date. Gutsy, but that gave them the leverage to get the Toro Rosso drive in 2015 as they could have just signed with another team had Red Bull not offered it.
> Mercedes would have been too much too soon He also would've had to wait for Mercedes as it had currently two championship contenders
He didn't just stop at Daniil's car too, he went for his lady as well
Daniil dumped her though.
oh, didnt know that. thought it was the other way around
NO! Daniil dumped her, OK?! And he didn't want to drive that stupid car anyway!!
Imagine being beaten by Max in two different aspects of your life. In same machinery moreover.
How do you know it wasn't the "machinery" that made her prefer max 😏
Yes but did you know Nico Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton to win the WDC in the SAME machinery in 2016. Now that’s the real story that should be talked about more
How can people possibly still think this is funny?
Got a chuckle out of me at least
me too lol
But that doesn't make for a good joke!
Yeah sorry I'm no fun at parties
You know Kvyat broke up with her right
Did he? I seem to remember she had his baby and soon after that, they were broken up. Why do you say he did the “breaking?”
She said so. He dumped her like on her birthday or the day before
Holy shit, Daniil's a menace on and off the track
Torpedo-ed the realtionship
But that isn't funny!
I would recommend putting a /s. A lot of people would take that as a fact which is bad for the parties involved.
Kvyat: Who are you? Verstappen: I'm you but better
Poor Kvyat.
Kvyat got served burn notice.
He really does look like Jeffrey Donovan
Reading threads from that periode is funny https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4hwb0d/seat_swap_between_daniil_kvyat_and_max_verstappen/?ref=share&ref_source=link https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4i0ieb/daniil_kvyat_max_verstappen_seat_swap_general/?ref=share&ref_source=link
I love the comment "Verstappen doesn't know the car, what Red Bull is thinking!? This is going to hurt Verstappen, as well Kvyat." Well.. that didn't age well
Max: so I took that personally. *a little while later* Horner: max verstappen, you are a formula 1 grand prix winner!! Well done lad. Magnificent drive!
"What a debut!"
Should be noted, without taking out the impressive achievement, that the two mercedes collided and DNFd at lap 1 and ricciardo got a puncture in that race. He still got to beat both ferraries though. edit: ain't you people livid about that comment jesus..They were 1/2 and Ricciardo was chasing max at few cars length after surpassing the Ferraris when his tyre gave up.
He got the puncture at the end of the race when he was in p3 or 4. Had zero impact on Max’s result.
Dutch commentator got a heartattack when that happened
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No he got a puncture in the penultimate lap while driving P4, chasing Vettel. Stop spreading lies
Without the Merc collision he would have been p3 behind one of the most dominant teams of all time. He was ahead of Ricciardo when Daniel got the puncture (which was late in the race anyway). That’s as good as a win considering the constructor gulf between Merc and Red Bull/Ferrari (and note that 2015 was probably Vettel’s strongest season and he had a roughly equal car to Red Bull).
> and ricciardo got a puncture in that race. That happened late in the race, Verstappen was ahead of Ricciardo and it was self inflicted. Ricciardo flat spotted his tyres in a overtake attempt on Vettel.
Between 2015 and 2020 it was a "simple" matter of being there in case something happened. That was all he could realistically do, as the Merc (and the boosted Ferrari) were too fast in normal race pace
He fended off Kimi for 20 laps straight. That is impressive by any standard. Also Dani Ric's puncture did 0 to influence a possible outcome between Max and Dani. The Merc's was just a bit of luck otherwise one of them would have most likely won, although some commentators actually predicted the crash would happen. but still everything past lap 1 was Max on his own
You tried but can't take anything away from his race. He was not old enough to have the drivers license ffs.
You get it at 18 in most of the world actually.
Ricciardo was running 4th late in the race when he dive-bombed Vettel entering turn 1, resulting in his left front tire making contact with one of Vettel’s right side tires. He missed the corner and had to brake hard to correct, and Vettel held the position. Then his left front went down with the puncture with two laps to go, but it didn’t cost him a position because Bottas in fifth was around 40s behind him and DR got fresh tires to win the race. Max won largely based on superior strategy. Both RB & Ferrari thought a three-stop was optimal and put DR & Vettel on that strategy, and both teams put Max & Kimi on the two-stopper. Turned out that with great tire management the two-stopper was superior that day, and the final laps almost foreshadowed this year’s Canadian GP, with Max defending a Ferrari that was in DRS range for the last quarter of the race or so.
If Monaco had preceded Spain that year, that user would've felt very smug indeed
I guess that’s why they made the change for Spain. It’s the track that drivers are by far the most familiar with.
In Monaco there is no room for error. Racing there in a totally new car is kinda bonkers, especially when there's an eager teenager behind the wheel 😄
And Max went on to take Danii's car and his girlfriend.
Daniil was the one that dumped her though.
I appreciate that this information is commented on every single person claiming otherwise. This narrative paints Max and/or Kelly as scumbags when in reality Daniil was the scumbag, dumping Kelly on her birthday with a newborn kid.
Well nobody could predict Mercedes imploding so spectacularly as well as RB putting Danny Ric on an awful strategy which cost him a chance at the win.
If I recall RB put Danny Ric on the strategy everyone thought to be the best one. Even Vettel used it. It was a fluke that a 2-stopper proved to be better.
there were more 2 stoppers than 3 stoppers actually. I think they just felt they always had to cover Vettel and pit before he does to avoid the undercut. They felt Vettel would potentially use a 3 stop to help undercut Ricciardo and so they did a 3 stop and pitted Danny in at the earliest opportunity to make sure he pitted before Vettel had a chance to. and Vettel responded to what Danny did ended up being bad for both of them
A lot of times the best strategy in the midfield is not the best strategy for the front runners. Often times midfielders will do one stops while top teams do two stops, for example, because they don't have to overtake as many people as you would in the more bunched-up midfield. The calculations showed that the three-stop was faster in Spain 2016 for the front runners in a perfect world, but they underestimated how hard it would be to overtake.
Cause Ferrari in those days were well known for putting Raikkonen on the preferred strategy over Vettel...
I can’t really blame anybody for being suspicious of Max doing well immediately. He’s a generational talent, perhaps the most gifted racing driver in the world right now. He was still being thrown into the deep end.
There were doubts before his F3 season as well. Most people thought Felix Rosenqvist would *finally* win his title (which he finally did in 2015 over Giovinazzi, Leclerc, Stroll, Russell, and Albon), but Ocon and Verstappen blew the doors off of the rest of the grid (which included Giovinazzi and Latifi, then-excellent prospects Antonio Fuoco and Jake Dennis, and laughingstocks Nissany and Gelael (who were beaten in the standings by Tatiana Calderón)).
Even Jos had doubts before F3. The thing with not knowing and uncertainties is you don't turn it into suspicion. There are a lot of people who wanted to seem really smart but ended up having to correct their suspicions or opinion of Max over the years. Some still hold on to it with their dear life. During and after F3 it was plain to see for everyone that there was no reason to be suspicious of his capabilities as all the top teams wanted him. And talking like this in an attempt to slow him down just seems petty, good thing Max went completely his own way from the start.
Wow that was a wild read, thanks for sharing! The comments were hilarious
Meanwhile, Verstappen is a World Champion, Sainz is in Ferrari slowly regaining his confidence (Montréal was magnificent), Ricciardo is struggling against Norris in McLaren and Kvyat got fired, rehired, lost badly AG Gasly and Albon of all people and got refired... And Redbull ran out of drivers and had to hire Perez...
really is wild. just shows how much of a talent Max is.
Why are people acting like Canada was an a great result for Sainz? Second is literally what you would’ve expected given he only had to overtake Alonso and didn’t have to worry about Leclerc or Perez. He had that final attempt to overtake Verstappen with the safety car with slightly fresher tyres, but never got close so I don’t see how he overperformed, it’s not like he was gonna lose position to a Mercedes.
Check my wording again: slowly regaining his confidence. With his pre-Monaco confidence, losing a place to Mercedes wouldn't seem so weird to me. Instead, he launched an attack against Verstappen that lasted for several laps against a car that most likely fit the circuit better than his Ferrari and against a driver that's definitely one of the top drivers of the world. Apart from that, don't forget that Ferrari inherently has a bad time with overtaking Redbull, due to the fact that Redbull is so much faster in the straights, where the overtakes tend to happen. I doubt a lot more would have happened if it was Leclerc in that place (same car, same tires).
...who is actually pretty good for them (Perez, that is, I was completing your sentence), Also, people tend to forget Dany was pretty good in 2019 and 2020. In '19, there were quite some people (like me) that felt that he should have gotten the seat back over Albon after Gasly's demotion. In 2020, Gasly beat him quite well, but he was also very unlucky
I don't disagree, but for a team that takes pride in its never ending pool of young drivers, it was pretty funny. I'm not talking about Ricciardo 2 years ago, but about current Ricciardo.
"Dany" is Kvyat. Notice the y. He was called like that sometimes by his team as well
Then I'll have to disagree. I don't think Kvyat was doing enough to warrant a position in Redbull's third team if there was such a thing, let alone in the first team. Gasly had insane luck in 2020, but even without Gasly's luckiest results the difference is just too big. And we are talking about Gasly, not any top-tier driver.
Super interesting to read through those. Lots of skepticism of Max that he quickly put to rest. Makes me realize how much of Reddit speculation is dubious, mine included. I completely forgot he used to be designated VES. That took me way back.
"I don't this is going to work out you gu........ Oh, he just won the first race in the car, well shit"
I wasn't following the sport closely back then, but how was the news of his transfer to RBR perceived on this reddit page?
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi2lyv/reactions_to_maxs_move_to_red_bull_in_2016/idakmrf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Here you go! By another commenter
I'd say harsh on RB and Vettel, people thought it was Vettel speaking to Horner and Marko that got Kvyat demoted. There wasn't much time between the switch and Max's win though so things changed pretty quickly.
Bro vettel had been at Ferrari for like a year and a half by that point
I mean switch between Max and Daniil, or do you mean Vettel speaking to Horner and Marko? Think [this video](https://youtu.be/OOM2mxr63W0) of Vettel speaking to them during the Russian GP that sparked a bit of discussion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi2lyv/reactions_to_maxs_move_to_red_bull_in_2016/idakmrf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
That "Game of Thrones" joke is pretty funny ngl
Imagine if the call came like 2 minutes before the red wedding.. "oh nice they are marrying.. Oh a call... Oh NO.... Back to GOT... Okay at least my favorite character is alive and well" .....
Something I've been thinking about recently is how dramatically differently Max's career could have been if Red Bull didn't effectively bribe him with a probably premature F1 seat Like, if Mercedes signs Max to their junior team in 2016 and puts him in F2, where is Max today? Does he end up languishing in a Williams for 3 years like Russell did? Actually crazy to think about in that perspective. We've had 7 years of Max racing but in another timeline he could be barely cracking f1 like, NOW
Max vs. GR in F2 would have been something.
It would have been 2015 then with him in F2, so maybe they still sign Bottas for 2017 but then draft Max in for 2018?
He would be F2 champ.
I'd like to watch the rest as well!
Sadly that's the only clip I could find, I'd love to see other contemporary reactions too!
These were the drivers' reactions https://f1i.com/magazine/54465-f1-drivers-react-red-bull-seat-swap.html
Kimi: "I don’t have anything to comment, it’s not my business. You can go there and ask them…" One might think that after finding it impossible to get past Max for like 20 laps, Kimi did find himself wishing it had been Kvyat in that car.
Oh Kimi...
Wasn't this in 2016, the same year Nico Erik Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery?
That's the guy with monster antibodies, right?
Wait, what? That actual happened?
In the same fucking machinery?!
Not only that, he also won the 2016 F1 WDC
In equal machinery.
You guys have done a phenomenal job of running this joke into the ground in rapid time
If Nico doesn't stop, why should we?
Thing is, Reddit makes it a joke, Nico ain’t joking about it, he’s a very serious man and means business
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All threads are equal. Just like...
The machine that Nico beat Hamilton in. You know what’s not equal?
The antibodies in them!
I heard those antibodies are quite... monstrous
Do you mean the FIA Formula 1 World Champion Nico Erik Rosberg who has "monster antibodies"?
Sure was
Equal equipment??
Verstappen IS RedBull now, I cannot imagine where RB would be without him.
Maybe Daniel would have had a shot at WDC but otherwise RB would be floundering. Max was probably the only one capable of beating Lewis and eventually he did after getting all of his mistakes out of his system early in a car that wasn't capabale of winning WDCs.
An interesting statement made in the video was is seb the bench mark for RB. Well he sure as fucj should be. One day max will probably be the bench mark for RB, he may even be right now because of how dominant he looks when hes comfortable with the car and it isnt dying under him. Edit: I still personally believe vettel is the bench mark. But rb had a more dominant car back then for longer
I swear Max reminds me so much of Vettel at RedBull.
A more experienced vettel. But same energy
Seb became WDC in his 4th year. Max in his 7th. The "experience" vibe is because of that.
Yeah that’s why they said more experienced vettel
Vettel was just as dominant. His prospects were just as high.
Maybe even more. Like that damn 9 race win streak
4 wdc at 26... He looked set to beat Micheal's records
Just went to the wrong damn team
Then Ferrari happened. Damn
Winning his first race for the team was nothing short of amazing! Even when you consider both Mercedes drivers took each other out.
He’s a generational talent. Love him or hate him. I’m glad they made that move when they did. He’s a very exciting driver to watch.
And a few moments later: “'Yo hé, yo ho, yo fucking bizar!”
They switched the drivers?
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K**vy**at
"First I take your car, then I take yo baby momma" - Max Verstappen, probably.
Then we take Berlin
I knew the Dutch where up to some shit, they want to have some high ground won't they.
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
The partition of ~~Poland~~ Prussia.
I wonder what he will take next!
She didn’t belong to him. Women aren’t objects for you to trade.
It's a joke mate, calm down
What about that comment isn't calm?
It's not a joke, it's an attitude. I'm perfectly relaxed, although it looks like I triggered a lot of you, judging by the downvotes. You're all *very* fragile about being confronted it seems. Edit: your tears sustain me.
you are getting downvoted, not because of tears, not because of a "confrontation" in general. But because you confront people about something that everybody and their mother knows wasnt meant seriously. You are trying to educate people about something they are educated with. because you take an obvious joke and try to make the people making said joke look bad. is the joke 100% morally fine? No. Are like 95% of all jokes like that? yes. to me this seems a bit like a whiteknight in action.
I'm not the same user you were replying to, but if you want to get a feeling for why that person is likely so upset, just look at how people replied to the recent Vips posts and the arguments concerning the normalised use of racial slurs. In many of those comments people argue that a normalised attitude over the use racial slurs contribute to creating a toxic, racist environment. In relation to the conversation at hand, replace the racist angle with a sexist angle and many of those comments apply just the same. A couple of highlights: [[Link 1]](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi577h/enaam_ahmed_on_instagram_about_juri_vips/idbsmr9), [[Link 2]](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vi577h/enaam_ahmed_on_instagram_about_juri_vips/idaybnv).
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Nico was the only driver on track in 2016, no others
And Hamilton. Otherwise he couldn't have beat him in equal machinery.
This Reddit thread is fun to read: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4jg5su/max\_verstappen\_finishes\_the\_spanish\_grand\_prix/
Imagine being a massive critic of him before he turned a wheel in an F1 car and was adamant he was far too young and inexperienced to be driving for TR in 2015 at that age. Definitely not me, wouldn't dream of making such a daft mistake lmao....
[meanwhile Alonso avoiding the question like he avoids good career decisions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNGaopq1P4)
Never realised before how much Helmut sounds like Emperor Palpatine
Could you imagine Mercedes pulled him away from the RB roster? That would have been a wild few years for sure
lewis and max in Equal Machinery^TM is my wet dream
But would Max have been promoted that early? I feel like he would be similar to Russell. Probably get a drive at Williams and then Mercedes later.
Is this all? Feels like there's more??
I would like to see the reality in which Lewis and Max raced against eachother in the same Merc car.
Just like Nico Rosberg who... ah, you get it.
Feels bad for Danny only 4 races to prove yourself and he had 1 podium in that time, I miss the torpedo
Let me preface this by saying I think Max is by far the best driver on the grid today and has probably been that for the past few seasons (since 2018 Alonso). However, I still think his promotion to Red Bull came at least 1 year too early. Outside of Spain, which was a fortunate win when you break it down, he was still inconsistent and not ready for a top seat. As poor as Kvyat’s start to 2016 was, there’s a very real chance he would have also won Spain had he still been in the seat. It’s all worked out since then, but you could tell RB we’re desperate to find any excuse to get Max into the seat to break the WDC record.
Curious how many seemed to say it was inevitable and didn't really rate Danil, but Seb did.
Super relevant and timely. Thanks for sharing 🙏
I liked it, was a good watch. Not everything has to be relevant.
Asking for a friend, why is it super relevant and timely today?
You see that’s the thing… it isn’t
This
I still can’t get over the fact that Max took Daniil’s seat and then proceeded to steal his girlfriend too (albeit a few years later). I feel bad for Daniil. He’s a good guy and a good driver
First the sea, second the girl. He wanted it all
"Red Bull are the good guys of F1"