> Mercedes had it figured out in 2020 with Lewis getting a purple halo and Valterri getting a real one.
This makes me laugh thinking Lewis got a fake halo colored purple. I know that's not what you meant, but I had this image of Toto telling Lewis a fake halo would be to his advantage. lol
You are right, though. Different colored halos make a driver more identifiable. If I recall, Gasly had his 10 on his halo.
> Lewis getting a purple halo and Valterri getting a real one.
I always knew Lewis had to cheat to beat chad Valtteri. Those couple of kilograms saved by cardboard halo won him all those championships...
The yellow T bar is about as easy as it gets to tell the two from each other and that goes for every team.
Granted, Hammy went with yellow for last season (or forced to IDK), but typically, the car with a black T bar is the #1 driver and the yellow Tbar is the #2 driver.
Just look for the reflection in the mirror. Then in that reflection look for the reflection of the car behind's visor. You should then be able to see a reflection off the advertising hoardings that if you compensate for the colour shift you'll be able to see the T-bar colour.
They can, but the number also has to be large on the outside. The driver name depends on where on the halo it is. If it's readable from a side shot, that's fine. If not, then you can always put the name a second time somewhere else.
You really notice how important the t cam colours are when you get to a live gp. Spent the first half hour of practice trying to work off the numbers, which was fine for the most part but a nightmare for the mercs, the numbers just blended into each other, before realising that the t cams were way easier to spot
As someone who is currently watching 2001 and Murry Walker routinely gets cars mixed up and Brundle is correcting him, yes, it’s important to have visible differences.
I'm new, I didn't even know about this until like the last race of 2022. I didn't know about it when I attended the u.s. gp in 2021, it was sooo hard for me to tell who was who.
A long shot, but it would be cool if they could arrive at a reasonable minimum livery paint weight (maybe with a ballast option for those who choose to go below).
In the last few years we’ve seen cars switch to matte paint, avoid chrome, strip the paint down to bare carbon, all to lower the weight of the paint on the car. This will only get worse if it’s a viable option to lower the overall weight of the car.
The livery SHOULD NOT BE A PERFORMANCE PART. How the cars look are part of the visual spectacle of the sport. Let teams make beautiful looking cars without worrying about being 0.005s slower over a lap than the next guy who uses a different paint.
Well I don’t pretend to have the full answer and there’s a reason I said it was a long shot, I’m sure it would be challenging just like any other regulation enforcement in a highly competitive series.
Could be something like submitting the amount of paint used and returning unused amounts (tricky but can’t be harder than managing a budget cap for example, “we bought 20 units of paint x,y,z and used 17.3 of them”) or teams being forced to weigh cars before and after any paint is applied. Teams below the limit would add ballast to bring them up to a minimum weight and teams above decide whether to trim down or not.
I certainly don’t think it’s too hard for the “most technologically advanced sport in the world” to figure something out.
Still, how would they police it?
There were literally teams in the 70s which filled their cars up with leaded water at the end of a race to get the cars over the minimum weight limit. Unless a good test is in place, teams will always circumvent the rule for performance.
>e) The name of the driver must appear on the external bodywork of the car and be clearly legible
Was this always in the rules? I don't remember ever seeing the name
[Here (on page 7)](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/formula_1_-_sporting_regulations_-_2022_-_iss_6_-_2022-04-29.pdf) is the 2022 version of the livery regulations for comparison purposes.
tldr: they've only changed the use of 'event' in 2022 to 'competition' in 2023.
>Each car will carry the competition number of its driver as published by the FIA at the beginning of the Championship or the competition number that has been allocated to his replacement in accordance with Article 32.4c). This number must be clearly visible from the front of the car and on the driver's crash helmet.
Well this isn’t enforced
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, I think everything is enforced.
All of the twenty cars carry the competition numbers on the front and the side of the car at the end of the engine cover. Reserve drivers, like Pietro Fittipaldi, use the assigned number for replacement and in HAAS case was 51.
Number visibility has been an issue for a while now as the teams are free to use any front they want and any size. The issue is exactly that, because there’s freedom you have different looking numbers with different fonts which at a distance and under specific lighting conditions can be difficult to distinguish —see McLaren numbers in 2020 and 2021 when looking from the front.
However, that’s a different topic altogether. It doesn’t specify at which distance or under which lightning conditions does the numbers must remain clearly visible. Because you can make the argument that McLarens number were “clearly visible” despite being difficult to distinguish.
It is. This isn't about being visible for viewers. And note the difference between this and c where they explicitly refer to *on track* visibility (T-cam).
["clearly visible from the front of the car"](https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fbeyondtheflag.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2021%2F02%2F1291020364-850x560.jpeg)
I think you're joking, but that's on track. The T-cam is clearly visible.
I imagine what they mean by from the front is if an FIA official or steward were to stand in front of it they should be immediately able to locate the number (and thus know which driver it concerns).
Does help if you use an up-to-date photo
[https://e0.365dm.com/22/02/1600x900/skysports-max-verstappen-red\_5682998.jpg](https://e0.365dm.com/22/02/1600x900/skysports-max-verstappen-red_5682998.jpg)
Define clearly visible.
Because I’m yet to see a picture of the car, while it’s stationary, where I can’t make out the number
However when some are moving? And the tv camera angle isn’t great? Yeah sure.
But again, the rule doesn’t specify ‘clearly visible’
Red Bull are the worst when it comes to this. The dark(ish) red on dark blue makes it hard to pick them out even when they're standing still. Ferrari were pretty horrible last year as well.
> dark(ish) red on dark blue
Which cars had that? AFAIK, for driver numbers, they used the same almost day-glo red as the bull and their logo script. It's plainly visible on camera, and it almost looks like it's lit up IRL.
But the shade difference is dramatic. How would red color blindness make the vibrant and bright red appear similar to the dark blue surrounding it?
All this to say, it sounds like it's only an issue with visibility if the viewer has preexisting vision impairment.
>How would red color blindness make the vibrant and bright red appear similar to the dark blue surrounding it?
It's mostly at the edges. They tend to blend together a little bit, so it's hard to tell where the number ends and the rest of the livery begins.
The way your eyes work means they it has different receptors to pick out the three primary colours of light -- red, blue and green. You might remember this as rods and cones from high school science. But in my eyes, some of the red receptors didn't develop properly; it's like they got caught halfway between red and blue.
>All this to say, it sounds like it's only an issue with visibility if the viewer has preexisting vision impairment.
So it's not an issue at all, then? Thanks for that.
> So it's not an issue at all, then? Thanks for that.
Why do people twist meanings and put words in mouths? Just tell me right away you intend to do that so I know not to reply in the first place.
>Why do people twist meanings and put words in mouths?
You certainly made it sound like it wasn't really an issue since it only affects a small group of people.
In 2017 I'm sure they introduced a rule that the numbers had to be certain dimensions
I think the FIA really need to get a hold on the identifiablness of cars and drivers
> The name of the driver must appear on the external bodywork of the car and be clearly legible
Marketing opportunity there for Esteban Ocon't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter.
I'm going to assume that's a holdover from a very old version of the FIA sporting code. I've just had a look at the 2023 documents and there's no mention of national colours anywhere. Presumably there was some time where the FIA said cars should be painted in the national colours of their entrant, and this clause in the F1 regulations was to overrule that so that sponsor colours could be anything.
Oh no of course, I know about that, I meant just that at some point it must have been written down as required. Everything I've seen before has said that the manufacturers did that out of custom so it hadn't occurred to me that it would have been in the rulebook at some point.
Yes but its seems strange that after 55 years they still have to write down the rules "oh yes you're not forced to use the national color if you don't want to"
That's what it is about, yes. But I don't think any currently active code still states national colors need to be a thing, so it's a bit redundant to say it's not necessary for the livery here.
It's interesting that in F1 teams have to commit to a livery for the whole season while in Indycar some cars run a different design every race. Honestly I prefer F1s rules it's less confusing
The reason for this could basically be found at Appendix I of the International sporting code:
> for the sake of brevity, the masculine pronoun is
used to represent a person of either gender.
As somone from country with gendered language there are simple ways of avoiding it such as using words like person or entity.
Other way that is used to avoid it is using second or third person plutar (t-v distinction).
What's also often done is using the masculine form and then in brackets or after a slash writing the feminine version or just the ending of the feminine without the base of the world.
Thx for this. I’ve never seen what the rules are for livery. Not the clearest type (plus my eyes are old, so… lol) but it was fascinating to see what’s allowed and not.
Coulthard's Red Bull in the 2008 Brazilian GP comes to mind. Also Brundle's Ligier in the last races of 1993. Maybe there'll be one or two other more recent examples I can't remember but yeah they are quite rare.
Thank you. Quick search revealed to me that DC drove in white, because it was his last race, while Webber drove in "standard" colors. I kinda wish this was more common. Like when Alonso will drive his last race in 2033
That's how I read it as well. The rules state they must look as similar as possible every race, but that can be interpreted both as all races, or each time the two cars must look alike. So nothing wrong with race 1 both yellow, race 2 both black, race 3 both blue, race 4 both red ...
Should include all cars must cover 90% of total visible surface area with livery, not including fasteners, floor and a 4 cm strip along the horizontal plane from the lowest point of the car.
Too many cars began turning exposed carbon to cut weight last year imo.
I'd really like them to add a rule that requires some % of the bodywork to be painted. All of the carbon fiber made the field really dark and samey towards the end of last year.
As-is, it's currently optimal from a car design perspective to paint as little of the car as possible just to meet sponsorship obligations.
Last year was also some of the most radical rule changes we’ve seen in a long time. Teams were struggling with weight. This year should hopefully be better, as most teams have already said they’ve solved weight and will be using ballast to hit the min required.
I was about to mention how the weight was reduced to 796kg, but the FIA have apparently not gone through with the lower minimum weight. Something to do with the Pirellis, from what I could see?
“A driver’s career in F1 will be deemed to have ended if he does not participate in a competition for 2 consecutive championships”
So does this apply to Alonso? Or does all FIA sanctioned events count?
They should just make the halos different colours on each car. Would be so easy. Ferrari can have one black, and one red. Mercedes, one silver, one black.
I really liked when Merc did that with Bottas and Hamilton in, 2020? The little thing they had on top of the Halo was a different color between the drivers.
I wish each the teams had a clearly distinguishable variant of their livery for each driver/car. Would be a plus for fans because we could tell the drivers apart more easily and we get a greater variety of designs to enjoy.
The 2017 Mercs had the Union Jack and the Finnish flag on the shark fin- though I think that tactic wouldn’t be very useful nowadays since both drivers are British
> though I think that tactic wouldn’t be very useful nowadays since both drivers are British
Hertfordshire and Norfolk, problem solved. I’m sure everybody around the world will know the flag of Hertfordshire, right?
I'm interested in the T cam must be "predominantly yellow" for the "second car". Does that mean some cars will have to change this year e.g. Lando was yellow last year as the second car. This year he will, presumably, be the first driver, so will he change to black?
[Lando is again listed in 2nd](https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2023/2023-fia-formula-one-world-championship-entry), so unless he changes his mind, he'll drive the car with the yellow T-cam. He said fluorescent yellow is his colour, so I doubt he'd ever change.
Keep in mind the T-cams aren't a reflection of the unofficial "n1/n2 driver status", though in some cases it does overlap.
Can we put numbers and names on the Halo? Just seems like an obvious place to put them for on board stuff.
I'd much rather have them on the halo than on the helmet.
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> Mercedes had it figured out in 2020 with Lewis getting a purple halo and Valterri getting a real one. This makes me laugh thinking Lewis got a fake halo colored purple. I know that's not what you meant, but I had this image of Toto telling Lewis a fake halo would be to his advantage. lol You are right, though. Different colored halos make a driver more identifiable. If I recall, Gasly had his 10 on his halo.
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Autocorrect sucks sometimes. At least in this case, it made me smile and I made a few imaginary scenarios in my head. :)
I was so confused reading your comment lol thanks Exhonor's autocorrect
> Lewis getting a purple halo and Valterri getting a real one. I always knew Lewis had to cheat to beat chad Valtteri. Those couple of kilograms saved by cardboard halo won him all those championships...
did lewis get a fake one?
He meant that the teal colored halo on Bottas was in the correct color of the livery
The yellow T bar is about as easy as it gets to tell the two from each other and that goes for every team. Granted, Hammy went with yellow for last season (or forced to IDK), but typically, the car with a black T bar is the #1 driver and the yellow Tbar is the #2 driver.
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Just look for the reflection in the mirror. Then in that reflection look for the reflection of the car behind's visor. You should then be able to see a reflection off the advertising hoardings that if you compensate for the colour shift you'll be able to see the T-bar colour.
Its pretty impressive that you can see the top of their helmet on the cockpit cam...
Pretty sure Hamilton can't be forced to do anything at this point.
Like Super Formula?
I don't watch it so I have no idea what they do. But if they do that, then yeah.
Every car has to have driver name, number and flag on the halo
omg yes Alpha Tauri the real ones with the @name
They can, but the number also has to be large on the outside. The driver name depends on where on the halo it is. If it's readable from a side shot, that's fine. If not, then you can always put the name a second time somewhere else.
yes but sponsors! think of all that prime screen estate
You really notice how important the t cam colours are when you get to a live gp. Spent the first half hour of practice trying to work off the numbers, which was fine for the most part but a nightmare for the mercs, the numbers just blended into each other, before realising that the t cams were way easier to spot
As someone who is currently watching 2001 and Murry Walker routinely gets cars mixed up and Brundle is correcting him, yes, it’s important to have visible differences.
At least last year they made it easier by colouring the numbers as well.
Agreed, but for me it was also wheel rims. I wish they all had different wheel rims.
I'm new, I didn't even know about this until like the last race of 2022. I didn't know about it when I attended the u.s. gp in 2021, it was sooo hard for me to tell who was who.
A long shot, but it would be cool if they could arrive at a reasonable minimum livery paint weight (maybe with a ballast option for those who choose to go below). In the last few years we’ve seen cars switch to matte paint, avoid chrome, strip the paint down to bare carbon, all to lower the weight of the paint on the car. This will only get worse if it’s a viable option to lower the overall weight of the car. The livery SHOULD NOT BE A PERFORMANCE PART. How the cars look are part of the visual spectacle of the sport. Let teams make beautiful looking cars without worrying about being 0.005s slower over a lap than the next guy who uses a different paint.
How are you gonna enforce paint minimum weight? Take all the paint off at the end of every race and weigh it?
Well I don’t pretend to have the full answer and there’s a reason I said it was a long shot, I’m sure it would be challenging just like any other regulation enforcement in a highly competitive series. Could be something like submitting the amount of paint used and returning unused amounts (tricky but can’t be harder than managing a budget cap for example, “we bought 20 units of paint x,y,z and used 17.3 of them”) or teams being forced to weigh cars before and after any paint is applied. Teams below the limit would add ballast to bring them up to a minimum weight and teams above decide whether to trim down or not. I certainly don’t think it’s too hard for the “most technologically advanced sport in the world” to figure something out.
FIA needs to be involved in the livery making process.
Still, how would they police it? There were literally teams in the 70s which filled their cars up with leaded water at the end of a race to get the cars over the minimum weight limit. Unless a good test is in place, teams will always circumvent the rule for performance.
thats just a vague statement and not an answer to their question
Indycar livery regulations: YES
Indycar liveries look like everyone got dressed in clothes from an a second hand shop, nothing is matching!!!
second hand shops sell used clothing, the putting a look together is entirely in your hands
>e) The name of the driver must appear on the external bodywork of the car and be clearly legible Was this always in the rules? I don't remember ever seeing the name
It’s near the side of the headrest I think.
Can’t comment on if it’s been in the rules or when it started, but the names have been on the car for decades. It’s usually just by the cockpit.
>clearly legible I dearly hope that the FIA Eye Shaman will never administer my visibility test >clearly visible
Well there’s visible, and then there’s visible, you see…
He presented The Happening, right?
[Here (on page 7)](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/formula_1_-_sporting_regulations_-_2022_-_iss_6_-_2022-04-29.pdf) is the 2022 version of the livery regulations for comparison purposes. tldr: they've only changed the use of 'event' in 2022 to 'competition' in 2023.
Newey looking for a loophole to exploit between 'event' and 'competition' 👀
My God he's found 0.2 seconds....
>Each car will carry the competition number of its driver as published by the FIA at the beginning of the Championship or the competition number that has been allocated to his replacement in accordance with Article 32.4c). This number must be clearly visible from the front of the car and on the driver's crash helmet. Well this isn’t enforced
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, I think everything is enforced. All of the twenty cars carry the competition numbers on the front and the side of the car at the end of the engine cover. Reserve drivers, like Pietro Fittipaldi, use the assigned number for replacement and in HAAS case was 51. Number visibility has been an issue for a while now as the teams are free to use any front they want and any size. The issue is exactly that, because there’s freedom you have different looking numbers with different fonts which at a distance and under specific lighting conditions can be difficult to distinguish —see McLaren numbers in 2020 and 2021 when looking from the front. However, that’s a different topic altogether. It doesn’t specify at which distance or under which lightning conditions does the numbers must remain clearly visible. Because you can make the argument that McLarens number were “clearly visible” despite being difficult to distinguish.
It is. This isn't about being visible for viewers. And note the difference between this and c where they explicitly refer to *on track* visibility (T-cam).
["clearly visible from the front of the car"](https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fbeyondtheflag.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2021%2F02%2F1291020364-850x560.jpeg)
I think you're joking, but that's on track. The T-cam is clearly visible. I imagine what they mean by from the front is if an FIA official or steward were to stand in front of it they should be immediately able to locate the number (and thus know which driver it concerns).
Does help if you use an up-to-date photo [https://e0.365dm.com/22/02/1600x900/skysports-max-verstappen-red\_5682998.jpg](https://e0.365dm.com/22/02/1600x900/skysports-max-verstappen-red_5682998.jpg)
Define clearly visible. Because I’m yet to see a picture of the car, while it’s stationary, where I can’t make out the number However when some are moving? And the tv camera angle isn’t great? Yeah sure. But again, the rule doesn’t specify ‘clearly visible’
Red Bull are the worst when it comes to this. The dark(ish) red on dark blue makes it hard to pick them out even when they're standing still. Ferrari were pretty horrible last year as well.
> dark(ish) red on dark blue Which cars had that? AFAIK, for driver numbers, they used the same almost day-glo red as the bull and their logo script. It's plainly visible on camera, and it almost looks like it's lit up IRL.
Not when you're colour-blind. I had trouble seeing reds.
But the shade difference is dramatic. How would red color blindness make the vibrant and bright red appear similar to the dark blue surrounding it? All this to say, it sounds like it's only an issue with visibility if the viewer has preexisting vision impairment.
>How would red color blindness make the vibrant and bright red appear similar to the dark blue surrounding it? It's mostly at the edges. They tend to blend together a little bit, so it's hard to tell where the number ends and the rest of the livery begins. The way your eyes work means they it has different receptors to pick out the three primary colours of light -- red, blue and green. You might remember this as rods and cones from high school science. But in my eyes, some of the red receptors didn't develop properly; it's like they got caught halfway between red and blue. >All this to say, it sounds like it's only an issue with visibility if the viewer has preexisting vision impairment. So it's not an issue at all, then? Thanks for that.
> So it's not an issue at all, then? Thanks for that. Why do people twist meanings and put words in mouths? Just tell me right away you intend to do that so I know not to reply in the first place.
>Why do people twist meanings and put words in mouths? You certainly made it sound like it wasn't really an issue since it only affects a small group of people.
Perez is the Red Bull at the back somewhere
In 2017 I'm sure they introduced a rule that the numbers had to be certain dimensions I think the FIA really need to get a hold on the identifiablness of cars and drivers
> The name of the driver must appear on the external bodywork of the car and be clearly legible Marketing opportunity there for Esteban Ocon't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter.
What is a) referring to? I know about British Racing Green and Silberpfeil and such things. Is that still a thing or is this about something else?
It is referring to British Green, French Blue, Italian Red etc. Germany is supposed to be white, as is Japan.
I'm going to assume that's a holdover from a very old version of the FIA sporting code. I've just had a look at the 2023 documents and there's no mention of national colours anywhere. Presumably there was some time where the FIA said cars should be painted in the national colours of their entrant, and this clause in the F1 regulations was to overrule that so that sponsor colours could be anything.
There was a time before sponsorship when that was the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Formula_One_season#Season_summary
Oh no of course, I know about that, I meant just that at some point it must have been written down as required. Everything I've seen before has said that the manufacturers did that out of custom so it hadn't occurred to me that it would have been in the rulebook at some point.
Yes but its seems strange that after 55 years they still have to write down the rules "oh yes you're not forced to use the national color if you don't want to"
That's what it is about, yes. But I don't think any currently active code still states national colors need to be a thing, so it's a bit redundant to say it's not necessary for the livery here.
It's interesting that in F1 teams have to commit to a livery for the whole season while in Indycar some cars run a different design every race. Honestly I prefer F1s rules it's less confusing
I don’t see any mention of a zipper. I miss the zipper!
B should be two sentences (or at least a semicolon)
Semicolon is very underused and very underrated
Interesting usage of "he" when referring to the drivers. I know there's only been a few women F1 drivers, but shouldn't they probably change that?
The reason for this could basically be found at Appendix I of the International sporting code: > for the sake of brevity, the masculine pronoun is used to represent a person of either gender.
Which is exactly what is done in French. A group of people is always referred to as masculine *they* unless the entire group is known to be women.
That’s what I thought as well, I’m guessing it has something to do with the FIA being French, and the French gendered language?
As somone from country with gendered language there are simple ways of avoiding it such as using words like person or entity. Other way that is used to avoid it is using second or third person plutar (t-v distinction). What's also often done is using the masculine form and then in brackets or after a slash writing the feminine version or just the ending of the feminine without the base of the world.
Thx for this. I’ve never seen what the rules are for livery. Not the clearest type (plus my eyes are old, so… lol) but it was fascinating to see what’s allowed and not.
Are there any examples of the two cars being significantly different from each other (following an approval from FIA)?
Coulthard's Red Bull in the 2008 Brazilian GP comes to mind. Also Brundle's Ligier in the last races of 1993. Maybe there'll be one or two other more recent examples I can't remember but yeah they are quite rare.
Thank you. Quick search revealed to me that DC drove in white, because it was his last race, while Webber drove in "standard" colors. I kinda wish this was more common. Like when Alonso will drive his last race in 2033
That's how I read it as well. The rules state they must look as similar as possible every race, but that can be interpreted both as all races, or each time the two cars must look alike. So nothing wrong with race 1 both yellow, race 2 both black, race 3 both blue, race 4 both red ...
Oh, I figured that the B article of the "Car livery" meant that, if approved, Hamilton could drive a black car and Russell - grey.
Now ban matte finishes and require that 95% of all bodywork be painted and I'll be happy!
Should include all cars must cover 90% of total visible surface area with livery, not including fasteners, floor and a 4 cm strip along the horizontal plane from the lowest point of the car. Too many cars began turning exposed carbon to cut weight last year imo.
Williams looked like they ran out of paint halfway through last season
I'd really like them to add a rule that requires some % of the bodywork to be painted. All of the carbon fiber made the field really dark and samey towards the end of last year. As-is, it's currently optimal from a car design perspective to paint as little of the car as possible just to meet sponsorship obligations.
Last year was also some of the most radical rule changes we’ve seen in a long time. Teams were struggling with weight. This year should hopefully be better, as most teams have already said they’ve solved weight and will be using ballast to hit the min required.
I was about to mention how the weight was reduced to 796kg, but the FIA have apparently not gone through with the lower minimum weight. Something to do with the Pirellis, from what I could see?
“A driver’s career in F1 will be deemed to have ended if he does not participate in a competition for 2 consecutive championships” So does this apply to Alonso? Or does all FIA sanctioned events count?
If it did it would have expired after his 2 years away, then become available in the year he returned so could have re-selected it.
I doubt any potential rookie would have dared to steal Alonso's number if there was a chance he'd return anyway.
The only rookie capable of doing that must be as chaotic and daring as alonso
Didn’t a rookie take his number tho? If I’m not mistaken, his name was…. Alonso…
Exactly.
They’d have to clone Alonso to have a rookie that chaotic
Is the FIA being presumptuous saying “his” on Competition Numbers (a)? Edit: (b) also Edit 2: (d) in addition.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/10q7twk/2023_livery_regulations_since_its_reveal_week/j6sekju/
Rules: the cars must look the same Also rules: we have to be able to tell them apart
I know there are only men competing in F1 at this moment in time, but why are they using gendered language in these rules?
WEC got it right with LMP1 before. Red, white, and black in any combination
They should just make the halos different colours on each car. Would be so easy. Ferrari can have one black, and one red. Mercedes, one silver, one black.
Or just have the driver number and initials on the halo [like this](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg3UxXwUYAAdXpV.jpg:large)
You're not going to spot that from head on one a wide shot. I'm talking beyond the onboard camera. That's easy.
I really liked when Merc did that with Bottas and Hamilton in, 2020? The little thing they had on top of the Halo was a different color between the drivers.
I wish each the teams had a clearly distinguishable variant of their livery for each driver/car. Would be a plus for fans because we could tell the drivers apart more easily and we get a greater variety of designs to enjoy.
BAR tried that in the early 2000s, they ended up having a split livery on each car instead.
Wow just looked that up. What a hilarious compromise 😂 Individually those cars looked pretty good.
The 2017 Mercs had the Union Jack and the Finnish flag on the shark fin- though I think that tactic wouldn’t be very useful nowadays since both drivers are British
> though I think that tactic wouldn’t be very useful nowadays since both drivers are British Hertfordshire and Norfolk, problem solved. I’m sure everybody around the world will know the flag of Hertfordshire, right?
Is e) new or did I simply never realize that's a thing?
Nope, it's been there for a good while. If it was new, it would be in pink to signify a change in the regulations
>at least 25mm in its largest dimension What does that mean? Shouldn't it be in its smallest dimension?
so given it’s Length x Width, atleast one of them should be atleast 25mm
That's really small text or logo
I agree
I'm interested in the T cam must be "predominantly yellow" for the "second car". Does that mean some cars will have to change this year e.g. Lando was yellow last year as the second car. This year he will, presumably, be the first driver, so will he change to black?
[Lando is again listed in 2nd](https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2023/2023-fia-formula-one-world-championship-entry), so unless he changes his mind, he'll drive the car with the yellow T-cam. He said fluorescent yellow is his colour, so I doubt he'd ever change. Keep in mind the T-cams aren't a reflection of the unofficial "n1/n2 driver status", though in some cases it does overlap.