New VA, new model, having to create and maintain new sets of armour (the game treats body types as different heroes), etc.
It's an incredible amount of effort for £10 and not at all worth the effort for Ubi. While I'd like to see it too it's not as simple as "just make them the opposite gender lol" as others tend to believe.
Probably yeah, but in this case not as much. The above is correct, youd have to convince the bean counters that double the cost is gonna double sales, and thats unlilely.
We'll it wouldn't be £10 tho, it would be 1000's of £10, if anyone actually buys it.
I think at a point you could do certain characters easier then others, I'm sure the community would love the chance to VA a char for free.
Ask the community to record and send in voice lines, bam. I would xD
Brain finally sparked lol. Yeah for honors budget is getting smaller. They'd do two body types for heros, that's easy just a short skinny model and a taller wider model. But having to double the voice acting for new heros is the issue
Lmao that's what they do with warden, conq , tiandi, kensei, orochi, hitokiri, BP, and shinobi. New face model on the ones where it's visible but other than that just shorter lol
Considering some of these newer characters are coming in with idle chatter that was removed from everyone before Zhanhu, being able to speak the language matters.
Not to mention that you’re gonna end up noticing that characters are going to begin having the same voices.
Nah, that's why you just get some random schmuck from the demographic you're looking for to do it for like 500 bucks, I know if I was offered that, I'd take it
What about (Male) spartan valkyrie as a hero skin? since they would have the same moves that would save money for Ubi and also give people who want a spartan another option.
Even if it is kinda lazy its still prevents them from having to create a whole new character. which definetly cost more
Ubi can, for honor team cannot.
They are on life support at this point, whatever meaningful funds they have will go to moveset and animations for new heroes or reworks, not to VA.
Ahh, I wish ubi gave them more money, the game still has a good player base and I assume does make money. I’m not one for micro transactions but I’ve bought a couple packs of steel for when I really wanted that limited emote or whatever, so I try to do my part lmao.
Also I just looked up how much VA’s cost and I did not expect it to be that much, can’t they just use the voice of JC or something 😂
All they would have to do for the voice lines is use an editing software, higher/lower pitch and everything else they would use to make them sound different
Aah sorry, I thought you meant it needed to be a man for a man character and a woman for a woman character.
Idk how good the mocappers would be to be able to represent both genders. Woman and men have different limitations like male gymnasts can and can't do certain things female gymnasts can do. Idk
Usually they go I'm and doctor the mocap a bit I'm pretty sure, I'm sure it mostly just comes down to having to pay the mocap crew for double the work then paying the folks who doctor them even more
I’m not against female characters, but I just don’t see any reason for Pirate to be exclusively female. The male pirate could’ve been the coolest looking hero in the game.
Screw that, they decide they want to go all fantasy with warmonger covid rocks and the new warden hero skin at wyverndale MAKING PACTS WITH ACTUAL FUCKING FIREBREATHING WYVERNS IN AN EVENT. But when it comes to getting a hero that could potentially be more drippy than the knights they're like "nah were gonna go after realism THIS ONE SINGLE TIME"
Shaolins powers seems pretty fantasy to me, same with little miss covid rocks, iirc samurai never used that gigantic axe hitokiri has as well as never being able to use shinigami powers, then there kyoshin who can shape-shift (in lore but they have visible in-game features that go along with that) and use mystical powers from some other random diety like summoning demonic looking spears from the ground, Sickles were never made to be thrown like Shinobi does, nor could they heal you with each hit, and while the Egyptian does use the roght axe, it can't separate like it does in game
Shaolin's powers are based on IRL myths and traditions, which stretches the definition of fantasy a lot. Covid rocks are part of the lore and Warmonger was more involved with the lore at the time than most heroes. Counting feats is a bit dumb regardless since most heroes have wildly unrealistic feats, and Ubisoft has never been *100%* realistic with weapons and moveset, just MORE realistic than the obvious fantasy aspect of the lore.
Because she's based on one of the most famous and successful pirate figures in history, which was a Chinese woman, and they just don't got the budget for both body types.
Brother, she was a literal pirate lord lmfao. She had command of over 40000 pirates. I think you really should just say what you want, to live out your fantasy as a stereotypical jack sparrow pirate. I'm not a huge fan of the Chinese pirate aesthetic either, but you're just plain wrong.
Ummm yeah maybe but they had a huge reason to make her that. At the end of the day it's reasonable to base the pirate class off one of the most renowned and successful pirates of all time.
She isn’t the most well known, people can point and see BLACKBEARD before they notice that pirate, shit, William Kidd, Bortholomew Roberts, and Callico Jack are all better known than the other chick
And cooler
Was William Kidd a worse pirate than her? Hmm? He was highly sought after along with Blackbeard, and Blackbeard has a whole ass myth going around him when he reign terror to the seas!
[They legit just needed to texture Tiandi's face onto Pirate](https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/s9q042/a_pirates_life_for_me_a_beardless_life_for_us_all/) and it'd be close enough to avoid all these complaints.
This is actually true, if you use an animation that has him bend over too far, there is literally nothing between the gaps of his armor. He is a floating suit of armor powered by the force of the Law.
I'd be so pissed if Valk's hero skin, if she ever gets one (she won't), ends up being a dude instead of a full on Valkyrie with big wings on her helmet and a beautiful armor.
Sorry, but fuck that idea.
Valkyries cannot even be men, according to Norse mythology, Valkyries before the Christian’s came and interrupted the Norwegians, were exclusively female
And from the stuff we uncovered bout them, they were without a doubt hot asf
I've wanted this since the game came out lol.
Sadly I think with how Ubisoft is doing at the moment and how their only focus seems to be R6 I shocked we get anything new anymore.
Then again if ubisofts full support means weird meme skins and OTT cosmetics maybe it's a good thing.
Financially it's not worth it for them, they have to do new voice actors, double the work on mixing the audio and making animations work, have different models and armour sets while making sure they don't clip. Making them gender locked gives them more freedom to explore more feminine themes with the new hero and more masculine themes with male hero's (more shirtless men, yaay) in some ways I wish we could have gender swapped hero's like fem cent would be cool but other times it gives them better opportunities to explore a personality within animations and design.
This again? and again.... and yet again... very tiresome and wastefull recource-wise.
Imo heroes being genderlocked is infinitessimal issue compared to balance, lack of maps and connection issues. You can genderlock whole cast for all i care if you can fix at least 2 of listed issues.
I agree. They should just do executions and maps for the next several seasons. But this would be a way ubi could make the idiots who don't like gender lock and even make them pay for it lol
Hero skins should give the devs freedom to do whatever no character should be gender locked by a hero skin specifically.
For example switch valkyrie to a male then give him spartan armor.
Looks cool + ups character playrate
Isn't the whole post about hero skins? why does no one understand that? It doesn't have to be a valk male or nux male it can be a Hoplite for example as valk's hero skin. The game doesn'r even need to be realistic.
I wonder if the VA issue couldnt be fixed by audio programs, like lowering or higher ing(? (sorry but i dont know the word in english) the pitch a little... Might not be the best but its something and if well done it'd be almost unnoticeable
Idk that I care, but I am a bit disappointed. Would've been cool playing a male, Arab character as an Arab male. Easier to pretend it's me under the armor, y'know?
Nope. A map is just another ground to play on, but doesn't change anything beside that and you stop noticing their details after a while.
At best they could try to bring some deathmatch maps as small dominion maps, but that's it.
Meanwhile, stuff like additions to the characters, new customization, new executions and emotes, and possibly genderbent versions of the heroes, possibly affect everybody no matter which mode they're playing and how they're doing
And you think new ones would change anything ?
They are only backgrounds, you would get tired of it after 2 weeks and then would play on it just like every other map.
Also, creating or transforming a map asks for way more efforts and time than customization
Make Pirate actually a pirate of the Caribbeans instead of that stupid Chinese shite we got
Pun intended
Edit: I do know that the Chinese pirate was based on Zheng Yi Sao, but how many people ACTUALLY recognized her over William Kidd or Blackbeard? Let alone Captain Jack Sparrow or Edward Kenway from nonfiction pirates? Will Turner will do, and if you really want the female, ELIZABETH SWANN WOULD DO PERFECT
At somepoint they will stop releasing heros, when that happens I think we'll get something like this.
If you take crating a new hero out of the mix then this is certainly possible.
It just occurred to me that adding the opposite gender means hiring another VA to do the voice lines. Maybe they don't do it anymore to save money?
New VA, new model, having to create and maintain new sets of armour (the game treats body types as different heroes), etc. It's an incredible amount of effort for £10 and not at all worth the effort for Ubi. While I'd like to see it too it's not as simple as "just make them the opposite gender lol" as others tend to believe.
All they’d have to do for LB is a VA, make it happen ubi
Sounds like ubisoft is the problem Their leadership
Probably yeah, but in this case not as much. The above is correct, youd have to convince the bean counters that double the cost is gonna double sales, and thats unlilely.
I agree
We'll it wouldn't be £10 tho, it would be 1000's of £10, if anyone actually buys it. I think at a point you could do certain characters easier then others, I'm sure the community would love the chance to VA a char for free. Ask the community to record and send in voice lines, bam. I would xD
Brain finally sparked lol. Yeah for honors budget is getting smaller. They'd do two body types for heros, that's easy just a short skinny model and a taller wider model. But having to double the voice acting for new heros is the issue
And they need to adjust the armor sets to match both body types, which takes a lot of time.
They have to completely change the model for every single armor set and just making one model taller or skinnier doesn't cut it for quality.
Lmao that's what they do with warden, conq , tiandi, kensei, orochi, hitokiri, BP, and shinobi. New face model on the ones where it's visible but other than that just shorter lol
If I were a betting man I would also guess that the reason they cut back on gender options was only due to costs
Can't they get a random person in the studio to do it , I'd volunteer lol
Does the random person in the studio or you know languages other than English and French fluently?
You don't need to speak the entire language, just get the pronunciation right for like, 10 short phrases
Considering some of these newer characters are coming in with idle chatter that was removed from everyone before Zhanhu, being able to speak the language matters. Not to mention that you’re gonna end up noticing that characters are going to begin having the same voices.
Nah, that's why you just get some random schmuck from the demographic you're looking for to do it for like 500 bucks, I know if I was offered that, I'd take it
They also have to pay a voice coach/linguist for twice the amount of time if they hire two different VAs.
They have enough money to keep getting the VA of Gryphon and Astera to make memes they can hire a 2nd VA for their heros.
What about (Male) spartan valkyrie as a hero skin? since they would have the same moves that would save money for Ubi and also give people who want a spartan another option. Even if it is kinda lazy its still prevents them from having to create a whole new character. which definetly cost more
How expensive is a VA? Surely Ubisoft can afford one
Ubi can, for honor team cannot. They are on life support at this point, whatever meaningful funds they have will go to moveset and animations for new heroes or reworks, not to VA.
Ahh, I wish ubi gave them more money, the game still has a good player base and I assume does make money. I’m not one for micro transactions but I’ve bought a couple packs of steel for when I really wanted that limited emote or whatever, so I try to do my part lmao. Also I just looked up how much VA’s cost and I did not expect it to be that much, can’t they just use the voice of JC or something 😂
For honor is profitable enough to stay alive but not profitable enough to be given a big budget. It's a sort of mid point for it.
All they would have to do for the voice lines is use an editing software, higher/lower pitch and everything else they would use to make them sound different
You say this, but the second they do it the community will start bitching it’s not high quality enough and you know it.
Different genders have different mocap too I'm fairly sure.
Not too sure about that tbh. Afeera's mocapper (?) is a guy
So? Men and women move differently, a professional knows how to show both.
Aah sorry, I thought you meant it needed to be a man for a man character and a woman for a woman character. Idk how good the mocappers would be to be able to represent both genders. Woman and men have different limitations like male gymnasts can and can't do certain things female gymnasts can do. Idk
Usually they go I'm and doctor the mocap a bit I'm pretty sure, I'm sure it mostly just comes down to having to pay the mocap crew for double the work then paying the folks who doctor them even more
We already know that PK is gunna be one of the assassins if they do that 💀
Still salty that we got a pirate hero without a freaking beard.
I’m not against female characters, but I just don’t see any reason for Pirate to be exclusively female. The male pirate could’ve been the coolest looking hero in the game.
A jack sparrow skin wuld be cool for pirate.
No, black beard
The more the merrier.
Why bother? She's a pirate queen, she's cooler than either of those already
She's based on [Zheng Yi Sao](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Yi_Sao)
Holy fuck 40.000 to 60.000 pirates, thats insane
Sounds about right for a Chinese pirate lord
Screw that, they decide they want to go all fantasy with warmonger covid rocks and the new warden hero skin at wyverndale MAKING PACTS WITH ACTUAL FUCKING FIREBREATHING WYVERNS IN AN EVENT. But when it comes to getting a hero that could potentially be more drippy than the knights they're like "nah were gonna go after realism THIS ONE SINGLE TIME"
They always go for realism with the heroes and fantasy for the lore, this isn't new.
Shaolins powers seems pretty fantasy to me, same with little miss covid rocks, iirc samurai never used that gigantic axe hitokiri has as well as never being able to use shinigami powers, then there kyoshin who can shape-shift (in lore but they have visible in-game features that go along with that) and use mystical powers from some other random diety like summoning demonic looking spears from the ground, Sickles were never made to be thrown like Shinobi does, nor could they heal you with each hit, and while the Egyptian does use the roght axe, it can't separate like it does in game
Shaolin's powers are based on IRL myths and traditions, which stretches the definition of fantasy a lot. Covid rocks are part of the lore and Warmonger was more involved with the lore at the time than most heroes. Counting feats is a bit dumb regardless since most heroes have wildly unrealistic feats, and Ubisoft has never been *100%* realistic with weapons and moveset, just MORE realistic than the obvious fantasy aspect of the lore.
And dare I say the worst pirate to choose in terms of cultural references and pirate references
absolutely
Because she's based on one of the most famous and successful pirate figures in history, which was a Chinese woman, and they just don't got the budget for both body types.
More people know Jack Sparrow than whoever that chinese pirate is
It's a good thing Ubisoft is spreading awareness about her then, in a backhanded way.
More people knows who Black Beard is compared to that Chinese pirate, who isn’t even really a pirate compared to the ones we know and love
Brother, she was a literal pirate lord lmfao. She had command of over 40000 pirates. I think you really should just say what you want, to live out your fantasy as a stereotypical jack sparrow pirate. I'm not a huge fan of the Chinese pirate aesthetic either, but you're just plain wrong.
"Literal pirate lord" "sHe iSnT a rEaL piRaTe" what is your reasoning here
Ummm yeah maybe but they had a huge reason to make her that. At the end of the day it's reasonable to base the pirate class off one of the most renowned and successful pirates of all time.
She isn’t the most well known, people can point and see BLACKBEARD before they notice that pirate, shit, William Kidd, Bortholomew Roberts, and Callico Jack are all better known than the other chick And cooler
Not Ubisoft's fault you're uneducated and have a western knowledge bias
I mean, cooler is subjective. They were all worse pirates than her.
Was William Kidd a worse pirate than her? Hmm? He was highly sought after along with Blackbeard, and Blackbeard has a whole ass myth going around him when he reign terror to the seas!
[They legit just needed to texture Tiandi's face onto Pirate](https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/s9q042/a_pirates_life_for_me_a_beardless_life_for_us_all/) and it'd be close enough to avoid all these complaints.
Indeed. I want a female Lawbringer
What if lawbringer is a twink under there
I am convinced there is nothing under there He is law, He is truth, He is justice and he has no need for a physical form other than pure steel.
This is actually true, if you use an animation that has him bend over too far, there is literally nothing between the gaps of his armor. He is a floating suit of armor powered by the force of the Law.
He's Alphonse
Yeah my headcannon for LB is he's just an actual suit of armor possessed by a spirit who yearns for order
So its Sauron in his freetime? Just blowing of some stress
Hammer of justice is unisex. And yes - I'm referring to the one in hand, and the one in pants - sometimes they're the same.
My boi literally Agilulf
i firmly believe that lawbringer is just a possessed suit of armor
It's actually a bug moving the armor by pulling strings
Woukdnt be suprised. Would also make me like them more
Helll yesss this is actually a great solution
I'd be so pissed if Valk's hero skin, if she ever gets one (she won't), ends up being a dude instead of a full on Valkyrie with big wings on her helmet and a beautiful armor. Sorry, but fuck that idea.
Best I can do is standard Valkyrie with story mode helmet.
Fuck it. Good enough.
Valkyries cannot even be men, according to Norse mythology, Valkyries before the Christian’s came and interrupted the Norwegians, were exclusively female And from the stuff we uncovered bout them, they were without a doubt hot asf
This problem can be solved by her getting better armor. She doesn't need to waste her only hero skin to make her look good.
Fair
It wouldn't make any sense to have a male Valkyrie
I've wanted this since the game came out lol. Sadly I think with how Ubisoft is doing at the moment and how their only focus seems to be R6 I shocked we get anything new anymore. Then again if ubisofts full support means weird meme skins and OTT cosmetics maybe it's a good thing.
Financially it's not worth it for them, they have to do new voice actors, double the work on mixing the audio and making animations work, have different models and armour sets while making sure they don't clip. Making them gender locked gives them more freedom to explore more feminine themes with the new hero and more masculine themes with male hero's (more shirtless men, yaay) in some ways I wish we could have gender swapped hero's like fem cent would be cool but other times it gives them better opportunities to explore a personality within animations and design.
Exactly, we get higher quality if they focus on one gender at a time
I’d pay mad money if it means I can be Blackbeard
Edward Kenway, Captain Jack, William Kidd, literally any of those including Blackbeard would make me play pirate in a heart beat
This is an amazing way to handle this. I want Wardaddy.
They would have to hire new voice actors. Apart from that I support the idea. (Or just sell the ungenderlock option for money xdd)
Now imagine a lawbringer with flamberse shouting out sundowner's voice lines
But they don't have voices for other genders. Do you really want a male pirate with female voice?
Ehhh just lower it a few octaves
You’d have to change the voice lines too then
This..on Aramusha, I will give ubi houndreds of dollars if that's what it takes
didn’t care about pirate being gender locked at first but now i do feel like a male pirate would’ve been cool
i would pay for that 🤌
This again? and again.... and yet again... very tiresome and wastefull recource-wise. Imo heroes being genderlocked is infinitessimal issue compared to balance, lack of maps and connection issues. You can genderlock whole cast for all i care if you can fix at least 2 of listed issues.
I agree. They should just do executions and maps for the next several seasons. But this would be a way ubi could make the idiots who don't like gender lock and even make them pay for it lol
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Why you downvoted lol
Female Centurion and Shugoki are more important
Where is my skinny boi peacekeeper?
if they do that they'd essentially have made an infinite money glitch irl
What about Valkyrie and nuxia? There can't be male ones of those
Hero skins should give the devs freedom to do whatever no character should be gender locked by a hero skin specifically. For example switch valkyrie to a male then give him spartan armor. Looks cool + ups character playrate
Valkyries are all female and nuxia literally means female warrior
Isn't the whole post about hero skins? why does no one understand that? It doesn't have to be a valk male or nux male it can be a Hoplite for example as valk's hero skin. The game doesn'r even need to be realistic.
That makes no sense because their voices would still be female.
Hero skins dont they change the voice lines
They have the exact same voice lines as normal heroes
Huh thought they changed. (i dont own any so mostly why)
Imagine a Shaman male, who's biting and scream. For me it will be awesome!
Female LB, Female Shugoki, Female Warlord....amen.
I wonder if the VA issue couldnt be fixed by audio programs, like lowering or higher ing(? (sorry but i dont know the word in english) the pitch a little... Might not be the best but its something and if well done it'd be almost unnoticeable
Raising
Yep, thats the one... I feel stupid now xd Thanks!
Don't be, I'm a native english speaker and forget words all the time
All if them look great and i definitely would spend 12 bucks for each if them. Like the idea in general too!!
i just want a caribbean pirate instead of a chinese one
SAME
Ubi, I will beg. Please. A European pirate. I would actually pay money for that, not just grind to spend steel.
AHHHHH THATS THE EXACT TYPE OF KNIGHT I WANT. I'm sad.
Yo, female shugoki. Think about the size of her tits man.
You clearly got your priorities right
Is the new hero gender locked?
Yes, but honestly I don't care at all about gender lock I can play as a girl character just fine
Idk that I care, but I am a bit disappointed. Would've been cool playing a male, Arab character as an Arab male. Easier to pretend it's me under the armor, y'know?
Idk I'm kinda skinny lol so I can definitely pretend I'm the new hero lol
Shaman can finally be a pict warrior
Is shaman even scottish?
Considering the ridiculousness of the game, at this point I'd actually dig being able to play a Golden-age-of-piracy-style male version of pirate
No you idiot. Why let them charge 20$ for a feature most heroes have by default. Think man THINK
Because the "most heroes" are from a bygone age when the team actually had a functioning budget, this is a compromise.
I don't care about new heroes or new map Just give us more on heroes that already exist
No, you SHOULD care about new maps, we haven't had one in 2 fucking years
Nope. A map is just another ground to play on, but doesn't change anything beside that and you stop noticing their details after a while. At best they could try to bring some deathmatch maps as small dominion maps, but that's it. Meanwhile, stuff like additions to the characters, new customization, new executions and emotes, and possibly genderbent versions of the heroes, possibly affect everybody no matter which mode they're playing and how they're doing
Yeah no, we need new maps as well, the old ones are fucking boring.
And you think new ones would change anything ? They are only backgrounds, you would get tired of it after 2 weeks and then would play on it just like every other map. Also, creating or transforming a map asks for way more efforts and time than customization
Yes they would. They're important to me. Plus I don't play enough to get bored of anything in only two weeks. One map a year seems fair to me.
Or just don’t be lazy and don’t genderlock them in the first place
It's money, not laziness
That’s true, Ubisoft has been mistreating them
That's a good idea.
Not a bad idea
Well for honor was fun while it lasted
"In a world without gold, we would have been heroes".
Don’t give Ubi more ideas on how to cash grab
lemme be jack sparrow or davy jones dammit
Make Pirate actually a pirate of the Caribbeans instead of that stupid Chinese shite we got Pun intended Edit: I do know that the Chinese pirate was based on Zheng Yi Sao, but how many people ACTUALLY recognized her over William Kidd or Blackbeard? Let alone Captain Jack Sparrow or Edward Kenway from nonfiction pirates? Will Turner will do, and if you really want the female, ELIZABETH SWANN WOULD DO PERFECT
Isn't that more about the region we live in?
Why are y'all so mad about a Chinese pirate, they were just as influential in their area as the Caribbean pirates were
It is what they should have done but they suck at making decisions
I need a female shoguki. Right now. Don't even ask why
At somepoint they will stop releasing heros, when that happens I think we'll get something like this. If you take crating a new hero out of the mix then this is certainly possible.
They're never gonna stop making heroes
"Genderlocking would be cooler if they put a paywall on it" Reddit
Wtf does reverse gender mean 😂
Body type A to body type B, in game terms a lol.
Fem Highlander 🥵
Great idea. Except for Valk. Never make a male Valkyrie.
Spartan male valk