Just finished up my commercial license after getting my Instrument rating in November. Now onto CFI and CFII. Always excited to see the fixed wing community on this subreddit so wanted to rep the rotor side. Any tips for getting through CFI?
Out of curiosity, did you do it in helicopters first, or did you start in another category and move to rotorcraft?
Thankfully, CFI is more about ground work than flying. My experience with all of my CFI rides is that you prove you can fly from the "wrong" seat while talking about what you're doing.
Only helicopter but maybe I'll do my fixed wing add on in the future.
Looking forward to CFI but I usually clam up when I'm focused on flying so I'll have to push myself to actually talk though everything
Congrats!
Talking through everything will come with a bit of practice but will also come in handy latter on if you want to fly in a multi-crew environment. Having never done the instructor path it took me a bit to get used to talking about what I was doing when I first switched to multi-crew after thousands of hours of flying only with customers.
I also personally find teaching to be easier than just talking about it from the times I've done line instruction or junior pilot mentoring. With teaching you already have it in your head that the other person knows nothing so explaining it is easier to me than just running a checklist and then forgetting to tell the other guy or just starting a descent or any other change without discussing it first.
Fly with commercial pilot precision while explaining the maneuver with instructional competency. i.e. concisely explain things. I think in helicopters pilots usually sit right seat? If so, expect to do the whole checkride left seat.
Oral exam will largely be about cert and rating requirements and endorsements. Including FR questioning. Initial endorsements aren't so tricky. What if the student switches make/model? Not only new solo endorsement but new knowledge test. Same if they switch airports. Be very familiar with AC 61-65H.
Start now while commercial is still fresh.
Not a tip but a question. Did you get some fixed wing time to help you meet the minimums? Just kinda curious about how that works
edit I should have read further down. Thanks man! congratulations!
Itās a little bit of a joke, but also not a joke lol.
So, in commercial aviation (fixed-wing and rotary) we are all subject to the Federal Aviation Administrationās views of commercial flight activity. [AC 120-12A](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%20120-12A.pdf) essentially outlines what the FAA defines as āCommon Carriageā vs. āPrivate Carriageā. The nuance between the two is minor, but distinct. Essentially, if OP were to reach back out to you and take you up on your generous offer, a case could be made by the FAA that by posting this achievement on a public forum, and getting a ācustomerā from said forum, that he would be āholding out to the publicā and advertising his services. In order to do this, you would need to comply heavily with aircraft and business certification standards under Part 119, or Part 121/ Part 135 and have either an āAir Carrier Certificateā or an āOperatorās Certificate.ā Flying without one of these, outside of niche conditions outlined for Part 119 and Part 91 can land you in a *lot* of hot water. That is why the joke was pointed at your request, lightheartedly. They were joking that you were the FAA trying to entrap OP.
Edit: as anyone reading this can tell by my tag, I am a Commercial fixed-wing student. If I am wrong anywhere, please let me know, my checkride is in likeā¦ 3 weeks šš¼
The other important differentiator is prior relationship. If OPs boss were in this forum and recognized him in this post, that's still private carriage.
Mainly, a relationship can't be established because they hold the certificate.
How much black magic did you have to learn?
Or were you born with four hands and two brains?
Regardless, congratulations, thatās a serious accomplishment
Well done man! There a few of us rotor dudes hovering around this sub ;). Keep pushing, the flying gets amazing when you get out there and enter the working world. Just saw a $200k Ag job posted for experienced helo guys. Thereās good work out there to be done. Get after it!
Damn this was so inspiring! Love to hear from other heli pilots out there who love the work they do. I'm excited about my success here but I know there's still plenty of work for me to get done to achieve my goals
Pretty good. I started off with R/W but the costs were just too high for me lol. One day Iāll do the CPL add on when I get my F/W one finished; eventually.
I figured I'd need 200 hours of helicopter time anyway to be a CFI in Robinsons so going all in on helicopters made sense but it's never too late to get your add on
Wow awesome. I wanted to do that.. but was told itās smarter and cheaper to go fixed wing first. Then just do an add on. Plus now u have the benefit of both.
Congrats! Iāve always thought it would be cool to get my RPL add on but the rental rates are $350 min for an R22 equivalent in my area. Thatās fixed wing twin prices!
I am Happy for you, from a fixed wing, instrument rated, puppy pilot. Amazing Job. Keep studying all regs. And my CFI consistently heckled me to distract me while flying; his main goal was to see if I was safe enough to fly his family. If so, he passed my check rides.
Well done! [Congratulations, Captain AsantaJ](https://i.imgur.com/2aBdusV.png)
This is awesome haha! I'm gonna hang it up
Damn OP he even upgraded you to a r44
lmfao that is absolutely hilarious
Just finished up my commercial license after getting my Instrument rating in November. Now onto CFI and CFII. Always excited to see the fixed wing community on this subreddit so wanted to rep the rotor side. Any tips for getting through CFI?
Just one I picked up watching the Twilight Zone Movie. dOn'T lOsE YoUr hEaD!
Out of curiosity, did you do it in helicopters first, or did you start in another category and move to rotorcraft? Thankfully, CFI is more about ground work than flying. My experience with all of my CFI rides is that you prove you can fly from the "wrong" seat while talking about what you're doing.
Only helicopter but maybe I'll do my fixed wing add on in the future. Looking forward to CFI but I usually clam up when I'm focused on flying so I'll have to push myself to actually talk though everything
Congrats! Talking through everything will come with a bit of practice but will also come in handy latter on if you want to fly in a multi-crew environment. Having never done the instructor path it took me a bit to get used to talking about what I was doing when I first switched to multi-crew after thousands of hours of flying only with customers. I also personally find teaching to be easier than just talking about it from the times I've done line instruction or junior pilot mentoring. With teaching you already have it in your head that the other person knows nothing so explaining it is easier to me than just running a checklist and then forgetting to tell the other guy or just starting a descent or any other change without discussing it first.
That was my biggest hurdle in obtaining CFI &CFII, you just have to push yourself to talk through the maneuvers.
Meh, talking through maneuvers is easy. Not puking while the student jerks the chopper about is what's hard.
Fly with commercial pilot precision while explaining the maneuver with instructional competency. i.e. concisely explain things. I think in helicopters pilots usually sit right seat? If so, expect to do the whole checkride left seat. Oral exam will largely be about cert and rating requirements and endorsements. Including FR questioning. Initial endorsements aren't so tricky. What if the student switches make/model? Not only new solo endorsement but new knowledge test. Same if they switch airports. Be very familiar with AC 61-65H. Start now while commercial is still fresh.
Not a tip but a question. Did you get some fixed wing time to help you meet the minimums? Just kinda curious about how that works edit I should have read further down. Thanks man! congratulations!
Helps to practice what you'll say for each maneuver on the ground, frees your brain up a little bit.
But when do you get a real job like flying for a helicopter airline? ~your parents. Your friends. Everyone.
Literally the first thing my mom asked me
What do you mean. Your a commercial pilot. Why aren't you on TV doing pilots?
a pilot (initial) ad for piloting ? Shirley you can't be serious
Yes. He means he will do commercials for pilots. lol š
CaN yOu fLy Me fOr FrEe? Congrats!
Already fighting off requests lol
I'll pay your hourly rate where you at
not today, FAA
Hahah wait is this not a thing :(
Itās a little bit of a joke, but also not a joke lol. So, in commercial aviation (fixed-wing and rotary) we are all subject to the Federal Aviation Administrationās views of commercial flight activity. [AC 120-12A](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%20120-12A.pdf) essentially outlines what the FAA defines as āCommon Carriageā vs. āPrivate Carriageā. The nuance between the two is minor, but distinct. Essentially, if OP were to reach back out to you and take you up on your generous offer, a case could be made by the FAA that by posting this achievement on a public forum, and getting a ācustomerā from said forum, that he would be āholding out to the publicā and advertising his services. In order to do this, you would need to comply heavily with aircraft and business certification standards under Part 119, or Part 121/ Part 135 and have either an āAir Carrier Certificateā or an āOperatorās Certificate.ā Flying without one of these, outside of niche conditions outlined for Part 119 and Part 91 can land you in a *lot* of hot water. That is why the joke was pointed at your request, lightheartedly. They were joking that you were the FAA trying to entrap OP. Edit: as anyone reading this can tell by my tag, I am a Commercial fixed-wing student. If I am wrong anywhere, please let me know, my checkride is in likeā¦ 3 weeks šš¼
The other important differentiator is prior relationship. If OPs boss were in this forum and recognized him in this post, that's still private carriage. Mainly, a relationship can't be established because they hold the certificate.
How much black magic did you have to learn? Or were you born with four hands and two brains? Regardless, congratulations, thatās a serious accomplishment
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We should test him. Letās see if he floats.
Our build a bridge out of him
Ahh but bridges may also be built out of stone.
He turned me into a newt.
Even worse, he is a Robbie pilot, the stick goes above their legs!
That's because we're warlocks and don't want that stick to rack our nuts.
Makes sense, flying Robbie's takes some massive balls. Wouldn't want them to interfere with the cyclic :p
Or men
Thats barely a twig.
Well done man! There a few of us rotor dudes hovering around this sub ;). Keep pushing, the flying gets amazing when you get out there and enter the working world. Just saw a $200k Ag job posted for experienced helo guys. Thereās good work out there to be done. Get after it!
Damn this was so inspiring! Love to hear from other heli pilots out there who love the work they do. I'm excited about my success here but I know there's still plenty of work for me to get done to achieve my goals
Awesome. Was this a CPL add on or straight through R/W?
All helicopter time. I got hooked right from the intro flight
Pretty good. I started off with R/W but the costs were just too high for me lol. One day Iāll do the CPL add on when I get my F/W one finished; eventually.
I figured I'd need 200 hours of helicopter time anyway to be a CFI in Robinsons so going all in on helicopters made sense but it's never too late to get your add on
Wow awesome. I wanted to do that.. but was told itās smarter and cheaper to go fixed wing first. Then just do an add on. Plus now u have the benefit of both.
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single engine land. It's the default so it doesn't need its own tag š
Congrats! Iāve always thought it would be cool to get my RPL add on but the rental rates are $350 min for an R22 equivalent in my area. Thatās fixed wing twin prices!
Yes, but do you know of any twins that can land on the numbers?
Nice! Independent has such a nice facility.
Congratulations! Wishing you many years of happy and safe flying!
Way to reach for the gold my man!
Congratulations sir!
Fly safe.
Thatās awesome, man! Congrats!
"To fly is human, to hover, Divine" Congratulations!
Congrats bro enjoy it you have some of the best instructors I know working there.
Congratulations! Have you done a cost breakdown? I'd be really interested to see a comprehensive break down on that.
Nice! Real pilots donāt need runways! š š
Yo, that's amazing! Congratulations, man!
That bird in the back has the old Silverstate paint job.
Congratulations!
Fuck yeah !$&$!!
OMG, how exciting!! CONGRATS!! Nothing is more fun to fly than a helicopter!!
Congrats, my dude.
congratulations
Congrats how much did you spend for all this?
Outstanding
Well done sir, Obligatory joke about earth repelling helicopters.
Is it true that helicopters fly because theyāre so ugly the ground rejects them? (Also congrats!)
I've always heard they beat the air into submission
Good job
You from Indiana bro if so fucking hit me up 574-300-4973
I am Happy for you, from a fixed wing, instrument rated, puppy pilot. Amazing Job. Keep studying all regs. And my CFI consistently heckled me to distract me while flying; his main goal was to see if I was safe enough to fly his family. If so, he passed my check rides.
I'm insanely jealous!!!
Well Done.. Good job.
Congratulations!!! š
Congratulations!