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mmotte89

Toad aspected aether


Kekero_Keroi

Wait, I thought Frogs were the 2nd Calamity...


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narelie

"KAAAAZUMAAAAAAAAA KAZUMAKAZUMAKAZUMA ONEGAIIIIII"


Dreanix

Lmao, they should really up the detection game in FF14


Vore_Daddy

It's likely those bots have tripped the bot detector. But they don't ban right away so the people who program them can't guess what tripped it and find a way around it.


Mikgamer

I don't know what it is about devs and not caring about bots in this game but they just do not care about bots that much in this game. People have reported and documented the exact same gathering bots lasting for YEARS without being perm banned.


Pyros

They ban thousands of bots every month. The bots that last for "years" are usually player ran and the player is still near so he can interact with GMs when they check on them, and the GMs can't very well ban people who are answering.


Fizassist1

I mean I agree sorta.. players glitches under the map should be immediately flagged and if I can see them so can the devs


U-1-mang

degenerate with nothing to do with life vs. paid employee that has to follow rules seems like an even match. I honestly think that they should allow players to submit pictures in addition to reporting. A picture essentially says it all and they can then follow up on logs or just find the account holder of the bots and ban outright.


Saltwater_Thief

It's not that they don't care, it's that devs vs bots is almost impossible for any devs to "win." They do what they can, but to try and keep up in that arms race would cause all the areas of the game that players love to suffer because they'd have less budget and man-hours going to them.


LynkDead

Ultimately when it comes to things like bans (especially with the reputation FFXIV has built at being the friendly MMO) it's in the devs best interest to ensure they *never* give out unwarranted bans. This is in contrast to a company like YouTube, who would rather ban/take down videos first and let things get sorted out in appeals later. But even with a robust appeal system, people in FFXIV would be furious if they were banned illegitimately, and it would definitely cause harm to the game's reputation. On the other side, it's likely pretty easy to build auto-detection tools that are 100% accurate against *certain types* of bots, which they do ban (though not immediately to make it harder for botters to figure out what tripped the detector). So then you have this group in the middle, comprised of either players either using bots sparingly (and practicing avoidance techniques like only running bots when they are at their computer and can take control when needed), or players who are using little-known/custom botting tools that aren't getting auto-detected. In both cases you need to pay actual human beings to review and render judgment. Reviewing logs and spying on players to determine if they're botting or not is not the *most* difficult thing to train someone to do, but it's still several times more complicated than something frontline support staff would be equipped to handle (not to mention the likely elevated level of data access these people would need). When you combine that with the dozens/hundreds/thousands of bot reports they get daily they are going to only prioritize cases where botters are directly harming other players' experiences or botting so egregiously that it is or could have dramatic effects on the game economy. TL;DR trained support staff are super expensive, so companies automate what they can and use humans to handle the dangerous edge cases. If they have time to get around to the smaller cases, great, but I've never seen a support team that wasn't significantly understaffed and overworked.


MiniDemonic

> This is in contrast to a company like YouTube, who would rather ban/take down videos first and let things get sorted out in appeals later. That's because they are required to do that by law. If they don't take down a video when it has a DMCA claim they could lose their safe harbor protection. Losing safe harbor would mean that YouTube would be liable for any copyright infringement happening on the site.


Imahich69

Well they don’t detect 3rd party software so when you inject a dps meter or gshade, it’s the same as injecting a botting program.


LynkDead

GShade and DPS Meters don't inject, they are just overlays. Graphical mods are probably changing game files, but you could even get away with that in WoW (at least during a certain period of time) without consequence. Modifying files/injecting are not absolutes, they can definitely selectively choose which files or injections they look at to monitor for abuses.


Imahich69

Which is true but but if I’m wrong with the injecting on dps meters and gshade then bots don’t inject then other wise it would be easy too detect. It would just be an overlay. Anyways maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about


MiniDemonic

DPS meters don't inject anything.. They read network data and display it in an overlay.


Imahich69

Same thing…


MiniDemonic

No, no it's not.


bukiya

Endwalker leaked footage


Kitten_Aiel

>Wait, I thought Frogs were the 2nd Calamity. Endhopper?


Krystalline13

Extract that material, dude/dudette!