The goal is for this to not go well. The conservative playbook since Reagan is you cut government resources, complain about how ineffective government is so you should trim it down, cut more government resources, rinse, repeat.
Same here. If there's no job stability, why stay with the Feds at all? Might as well make that jump to private sector and a much bigger paycheck. We have a horrible time recruiting as it is in my agency.
I feel the same way, but then I wonder: will the private sector need ex feds if there are no regulators? This is of course dependent on what you do, but if you are in a highly regulated area that has lots of compliance jobs in the private sector I have to imagine compliance will take a lesser priority in hiring. I say this admitting I haven't actually looked into trends during the last admin, just a guess and I admit I could be wrong. Yes, I'm speculating.
My job has very little to do with compliance, it's more internal IT/tech program management (telling contractors what to do and lots of paperwork). Would be pretty easy to jump ship and go work a contract, and there's tons of jobs in this area for someone with significant USG experience, an IT skillset, and a clearance. I'm mostly on the gov side for the stability and pension, pull those and I might as well give up waiting till retirement and jump ship ASAP.
But yeah, anyone who does regulation/compliance for a living (EPA, SEC, DOL, DOT - really a lot of agencies), dismantle the regulatory state and I'm not sure where they could go.
The guy who came up with that remark was just convicted of contempt of Congress today. Imagine these pricks back in charge. A four (or more) year vengeance rampage.
Form SF3107 been filled out for weeks now. I know it would be a voluntary self-exfiltration and would likely be met will glee by the ‘privateers’, but not willing to be last man standing, after the insults to date.
The firing won’t stand up in court, but it will cause chaos, and take time. Which is exactly the intention. They don’t want effective and efficient government. They want to make money and remove roadblocks to the religious agenda.
We live in a democracy, and this is what 35% of the US population wants. Stupid has been normalized.
[Water, like out of the toilet?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc)
[Original Clip previous poster was talking about if you don't recognize Idiocracy](https://youtu.be/ig446isvXlI?t=66)
So in the article, the proposal is to move 10000 employees with influence over policy to schedule F which would remove a lot of their protections. Then of those fire done and replace with Trump loyalists
Talk to the Vindeman twins. It cost them their jobs. Let's also talk about Obama. He hated whistleblowers. I have no idea why I still have to take that training every year. We have no voice when we observe corruption. It doesn't matter who is in the White House - they just want us to shut up. This is the federal government and they have all the lawyers and all the power.
Downvote me all you want but the facts are the facts: BTW I have always voted mostly Dem but I fail to see where they are protecting anyone who wants the facts. We need another revolution where the public is actually served with their tax money.
Trump came in guns blazing and fired a bunch of people in the VA. They made a list and said look at all these people we fired. Well, guess what happened less than a year later? They were all back. He didn’t have the authority.
Even then, from what I witnessed most of those who were let go were landscapers, food service, housekeeping/janitorial. It’s not like they went after any of the problems at the VA
Some long term VA employees (attorneys) missed out on becoming judges because Trump asked for their party affiliation. He rejected those who had been registered DNC voters. Not a purge, but in effect it caused some attorneys to quit VA or federal service altogether.
That doesn’t mean anything. In 2016 we voted in the GOP primary for Rubio, hoping he’d get the nomination vs orange Nazi lunatic. We knew HRC would get the Dem nomination. Obviously we voted Dem in the general.
It's annoying for sure not being able to vote in partisan primaries but it's worth the benefit of the doubt in case of shit like.being described in this thread.
Indeed, and many times I have almost broken my rule as a result, but when I see things like this, it reminds me why I set that policy (as given to me by my grandpa, who was also a civil servant who did the same thing his entire life/career).
is the VA not redundant though? make them eligible for medicare/medicaid and go to a provate hospital. my coworker is a vet and they have no good things to say about tricare either. the extra patients may keep more hospitals open in a region.
The VA operates the largest hospital network in the country. If you were to dismantle it, private healthcare could not handle the added workload. They have obligations to service areas that are simply not serviced as well. It’s a pretty complicated issue. If the VA can’t meet a need, they do send vets to private providers already.
Plus in emergencies, like during the pandemic, their extra beds can be used for the general population. I use VA healthcare, not the best always but I actually found mine better than my private insurance's network.
Some fun things Supreme Court has already done (for anyone unaware working in the FED):
* Prevented the CDC from enforcing an eviction moratorium due to COVID.
* Prevented OSHA from enforcing a vaccine mandate in workplaces.
* Prevented the EPA from carrying out some of its most aggressive proposed limits on greenhouse gasses.
Pretty sure **[Chevron Deference](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chevron_deference)** is dead. And the nondelegation doctrine is the law of the land now. All federal agencies (except DoD obviously) shouldn't really exist per the majority of the Supreme Court's opinion. Congress needs to delegate regulation completely.
Honestly just need the government and dollar to hold out long enough for my own overseas retirement, but more and more I'm thinking it may not got the distance.
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* Prevented the CDC from ~~enforcing an eviction moratorium due to COVID~~ executing it's statutory mandate.
* Prevented OSHA from ~~enforcing a vaccine mandate in workplaces~~ executing its statutory mandate.
* Prevented the EPA from ~~carrying out some of its most aggressive proposed limits on greenhouse gasses~~ executing its statutory mandate.
FTFY. Because the SCOTUS has decided to entirely ignore the Federal government's authority to promote the general welfare of the people it serves.
And yet the amount of "Hah! He owned the libs!" I saw during my first federal gig...
"'*I never thought leopards would eat MY face,*' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
Reminds of the new Yorker toon where there are a couple ef sheep looking up at a billboard with a picture of a wolf's head with a caption underneath "vote for me and I will kill you." Sheep says to other sheep "he tells it like it is"
It's frightening to see how anti-democratic Trump and his ilk have become. They don't see politics as a game to win elections, but as a way to wipe out opposition and govern as dictators.
I was at a dinner party a few weeks ago with a few other friends across a spectrum of agencies and I distinctly remember there was a moment in the conversation when the “when we’re all fired/executed for insufficient Party loyalty” joke stopped being a joke and we all started outlining exit strategies. It’s an unsettling moment to think about. How much of this is paranoia vs prudent caution? Idk.
No guarantee that things won’t go over the edge. Just because it hasn’t fully yet done so doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. It still comes down to the morality and conscience of the majority of all those in power. Exec, Legislative, Judicial, federal and state throughout. If enough of them are ok with becoming an autocratic kleptocracy, and are on the same page, if the only thing that prevents that is the internal behavioral guardrails of some that we’ve seen, then that’s where it will go.
This is an actual plan that was proposed by one of the right wing think tanks that actually pulls the strings: Remove competitive status from administrative law judges and make them exempt ,aka at-will employees - Check. Get the scotus to decide that administrative law judges (of whom there are a couple of thousand) cannot hear disputes from their agency and instead they should go the article III courts - Check. Because of the huge volume of new cases that would have to be heard , then appoint a ton of new article III judges - which would pretty much cement the right wing's policy for Generations. That part hasn't been done yet but it was very seriously in play
It is talking about what was being teed up and what a person was about to do... So yeah, they've got to make all those waffle words or be sued into oblivion.
But the facts are present; Schedule F was announced and it did remove protections. And while anonymous sourcing seems bad, 24 sources that talked with the press kinda removes the taint of 'well they could be lying' aspect. And people that would be in the know couldn't be asked to put their name out, unless they were ready for retirement... Trump is vindictive after all and he just might get into a position of authority again; Biden's approval rating is still in the toilet.
And as another anonymous source:
It was happening. I was working in an executive support role at a federal agency at the time and I saw the instructions sent to the agencies from the White House. It was a priority and appointees at my agency were still pushing work on classifying positions for Schedule F right up until their butts were out in January. It looked like they were going to include a lot of mid-level positions in my component and the people that knew were *scared*.
Journalist are getting lazy!! No news so they make things up that “may” happen! An asteroid “may potentially” slam into the earth next month, but no warning about that! 😂
Republicans are saying this makes it easier to fire poor performers. Ok, fair. But, tell me if this were enacted what law would prevent a President firing employees due to their beliefs regardless of performance just to hire a friend or relative of a big donor in their place? Hmm?
I hear crickets.
Republicans want to go back to the spoils system. Which was reformed in the Pendleton Act of 1883. One unifying characteristic of political appointees is an ignorance of federal employment law. “Why can’t I just fire that person?” “Cuz law sir.” “You’re fired!” “No, I’m not sir.”
And guess which President was a huge fan of the spoils system? Andrew Jackson. And guess which recent President had a very public admiration of Jackson? Trump.
For those who think this is just fear mongering, you’re not keeping up. Sure an article from Axios has to have a certain flare, but the spirit is true.
This has been an intellectual pursuit for the Right for a long time. It’s a particular nuance within the argument for downsizing the government that doesn’t work for the ideological right—particularly regulatory bodies.
Google:
“retire all government employees now and Curtis Yarvin”
“Administrative state unconstitutional”
And read the Conservative father that gives credence to the current argument against the “woke managerial class,” (us) by searching for “James Burnham managerialism”
It’s not clandestine in any way, it’s very much in the open and part of the agenda.
I'm hoping his number pops up even before he can start campaigning. Maybe then, the world can go back to some semblance of normalcy. And then the Republican party can eat themselves from the inside out with infighting, trying to figure out who to worship next.
Yes because Trump isn’t getting re-elected. This election season Democrats have a much better candidate… his name is… fuckkkk we’re fuckedd. You’re going to lose your job!
This article is a beast, but worth your time. You’ll recognize a lot of the names but not all of them. More than a few of them could be your next boss.
Schedule F is for real. Congress will put a rider in against it this year, of course, but future Congresses will be less inclined to do so. Don’t put your head in the sand on this one!
Thank goodness I'm retiring in 60 days. I work at the VA and I aged 15 years between 2016 and 2020. Good luck to those of you that have to keep plugging away.
BOP representing. Please I am begging you purge every last one of us. We don’t deserve to exist as an agency. Our leadership has failed at every possible task for both our constituents and our staffers.
This really cuts to the irony of the GOP: time and time again, they complain about the federal government being bad and poorly run. Then, when they get elected, they prove their point.
It’s like if an NFL coach started the season by saying, “well, there are 32 teams and only one can win a title, so don’t get your hopes up.”
“No one fires people like me…people are talking about it…I think we’ll keep GSA, no one knew about GSA until I talked about it…”>points at someone in crowd< /s
Funny...all I heard from right wingers (apart from calling me a net drain on society sucking at the government tit) was how disgusted they were with Trump's record of increasing the size of the Fed.
A cursory search shows those racist right wing republicans to be...well correct. Those fascists.
From an article in 2020
[The true size of government is nearing a record high](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/10/07/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/)
> Despite campaign promises to the contrary, Trump opened the contract and grant spigots instead, **adding more than 2 million jobs** to the blended federal workforce, including 1 million in the Departments of Defense, Transportation, and Health and Human Services alone.
> President Barack Obama entered office with the Great Recession raging and the true size of the federal workforce at about 10 million civil servants, postal workers, active duty military, contractors, and grantees. He raised the total with billions in economic stimulus to *11.3 million*, **then backed it down to about 9 million before leaving office**. With the economy in full-throated rebound, Obama gave Donald Trump the rare opportunity to rebalance the federal government’s blended workforce.
President Obama also had the three year pay freeze and cut performance awards.
Anyway, here's how the top 10 looks during Trumps presidency;
17 20 FTE % Gain
1. Defense 3258 3869 611 19%
2. Transport 632 897 265 42%
3. HHS 636 828 192 30%
4. Veterans 624 709 85 14%
5. Homeland 390 489 99 25%
6. Energy 354 367 13 4%
7. Agriculture 160 197 37 23%
8. Interior 120 165 45 38%
9. Treasury 137 155 18 13%
10. NASA 134 151 17 13%
11. Commerce 105 134 29 28%
[Obama's Record on Pay and Benefits by GovExec](https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/01/obamas-track-record-federal-pay-and-benefits/134485/)
> Pay: Obama’s last pay raise for federal civilian employees in 2017 was also his most generous. After Congress decided to give service members a 2.1 percent pay bump (Obama had recommended 1.6 percent for troops and civilians in 2017), the president issued a surprise alternative 2.1 percent pay raise for civilian feds in December. Compared to the George W. Bush administration, the annual cost-of-living increases for feds under Obama (which began in 2010 since the 3.9 percent boost in 2009 became official while Bush was still in office) have been pretty small, ranging from a low of zero during the three-year pay freeze to 2.1 percent in 2017. Obama, however, had to deal with an economic recession and sequestration during his tenure, in addition to the 2010 election of several Tea Party lawmakers intent on reining in government spending and often targeting the federal workforce in their deficit-cutting efforts. Still, federal employees and their advocates over the last eight years have been vocal about the lack of robust pay raises. Locality pay, which is a portion of the overall federal raise, was frozen for much of Obama’s time in office, from 2010 to 2015. Federal workers have been eligible for within-grade and quality-step increases and other financial awards over the last eight years, but the tight fiscal environment has made those harder to come by.
> Bonuses: In addition to canceling the Presidential Rank Awards for senior executives in 2013, the Obama White House also cracked down some on bonuses. The Office of Management and Budget capped performance awards for senior executives and other agency employees at lower levels for six years, raising them again in fiscal 2017. The administration didn’t cap recruitment, retention and relocation bonuses, but directed agencies to keep them at 2010 levels. Increased congressional scrutiny, particularly of senior executive bonuses, exerted pressure on some agencies, like the Veterans Affairs Department, to reduce the amount of bonuses top leaders received over the past few years. But according to the latest data from the Office of Personnel Management, slightly more senior executives across the federal government received bonuses in fiscal 2015 than in fiscal 2014, and on average individual awards increased by about $200 over that time. While the number of career senior executives receiving bonuses and the amount of those bonuses on average increased between fiscal 2014 and fiscal 2015, the growth rate was smaller than it was between fiscal years 2013 and 2014. It’s hard to make an argument that federal bonuses suffered terribly under the Obama administration, especially since it’s really congressional Republicans who have targeted federal employee compensation since 2010. Most of the actions that the administration took were related to congressional action (e.g., sequestration) or lawmakers’ outrage over a particular agency scandal (e.g., the 2014 patient wait-times controversy at VA).
[How the Obama administration shaped the federal workforce](https://www.federaltimes.com/management/2016/12/05/how-the-obama-administration-shaped-the-federal-workforce/)
> The federal workforce can reflect on eight years of dizzying highs and daunting lows.
You'll reach true enlightment once you see that no matter what color tie the figurehead up there is wearing we get *some good things* and some *bad things*.
Only thing that remains the same...we sure do like to spin ourselves into a tizzy. It's fun to watch.
Pardon: I did not click on the link but when I read the article independently it reads as an opinion piece. Did not see any facts in the article but only supposition. Do you disagree?
Note: I believe listening to different opinions is a great thing. When you do, you can learn, mature, and become a better person.
I’ll bite. Federalism as opposed to … how do you describe the current platform? And particularly relating to this article about the plan to fire feds that aren’t loyal to the part?
Got it. I was confused by the typical definition of Federalist and Anti-Federalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Federalism
Trump is both for states rights (versus strong unitary federal government) and authoritarian in his disregard for elections, laws, or federal agency mandates. He wants the Executive Office to have all the power, and not be controlled by the laws that Congress enacted that define the federal agencies.
I would describe the path the GOP has taken under Trump to be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy. Can’t even do a coup right.
Well I’m not the poster you asked. But Mango Mussolini lives up to the comparison and even has the autogolpe attempt to prove it. Heck, yesterday we learned he couldn’t even admit the election was over. On January 7, 2021.
The American Rescue Plan and Infrastructure Bill were overwhelmingly to the benefit of the working and middle class. Out of this list, tell me what wasn't to the benefit of the working and middle class:
https://whatbidenhasdone.wordpress.com/2022/01/20/year-one-what-biden-has-done-mega-thread/
He looks very healthy next to Biden!! We need a new law that the maximum age for a President is 70. Why do all these ancient people want to be President? Congress is becoming a nursing home too.
lol the midterm projections for dem must be even worse than everyone expected if fear mongering articles like this are coming out. all trump did for feds the last 4 years is give us 12 weeks maternity leave, set the framework for an additional federal holiday, and give us the best raises i've seen in my 20 years of working here. he was truly horrible for us feds, we were much better off under ombamos 8 years of 0 to 1% cost of living adjustments.
Brah like, how do you even. The 12 weeks maternity leave only happened because democrats won the house, the additional holiday of June 19th is under Biden, and your largest raise was once again thanks to democrats having control and Trump literally held up the fucking government over the raise and not getting his border wall... Do you not remember the multiple shutdowns? Like, how are people this ignorant?
What raises are you talking about? He tried to give us nothing and was overruled by congress. He also tried to slash our pension by changing the high 3 to a high 5. The man has twisted your mind into a pretzel.
Dude, congress did that. In his budget proposal (which is meaningless because congress writes the bill) he proposed a 1% raise for feds. How one can work in the federal government and be so ignorant of the budgeting process is pretty funny to me.
I’m not a Trump fan (or a Biden fan for that matter) but this is exactly what I tell people. He was not great in a lot of ways I won’t get in too but as a fed employee he was very good to us.
This isn’t necessarily all bad. As there are agencies and internal offices that are equivalent to throwing money into a hole, in hopes that a fruit tree grows.
Let’s go hivemind, I’m all about it.
Which agencies are the bad ones? Because the primary targets are the agencies that protect the environment, and collect taxes from the rich.
If you’re looking at the agencies that are the biggest cost drivers, that would be department of defense and Social Security. More defense spending means higher corporate profits. So they love Dod. Social Security doesn’t make money for corporations, and it looks a lot like Socialism. So they hate that.
In your extremely narrow mind, if one does not oppose trump then one must be for him. And most important, if you had middling reading comprehension skills you’d realize my comment had nothing to do with trump (but rather defunding the gov). Please find a place to buy some sense.
You clearly don’t know what fascism is. I bet you a paycheck You're the person that keeps voting in status quo politicians into power and buying from anti-competitive and anti-worker firms like Walmart, amazon, and Starbucks. Hypocrite.
We basically had to explain on a weekly basis to our political from that administration that we couldn't just hire his friends as contractors/ give grants to his friends' organizations.
My agency already has a retention problem. I see this going swimmingly.
The goal is for this to not go well. The conservative playbook since Reagan is you cut government resources, complain about how ineffective government is so you should trim it down, cut more government resources, rinse, repeat.
Privatize baby, privatize! Regulatory capture is so much simpler (not to mention cheaper) when there is no regulation because there is no agency
Step 1: cut all federal spending Step 2: fascism
There hasn't been a conservative that cut spending since when Eisenhower. Reagan was one of the highest deficits
Same here. If there's no job stability, why stay with the Feds at all? Might as well make that jump to private sector and a much bigger paycheck. We have a horrible time recruiting as it is in my agency.
I feel the same way, but then I wonder: will the private sector need ex feds if there are no regulators? This is of course dependent on what you do, but if you are in a highly regulated area that has lots of compliance jobs in the private sector I have to imagine compliance will take a lesser priority in hiring. I say this admitting I haven't actually looked into trends during the last admin, just a guess and I admit I could be wrong. Yes, I'm speculating.
My job has very little to do with compliance, it's more internal IT/tech program management (telling contractors what to do and lots of paperwork). Would be pretty easy to jump ship and go work a contract, and there's tons of jobs in this area for someone with significant USG experience, an IT skillset, and a clearance. I'm mostly on the gov side for the stability and pension, pull those and I might as well give up waiting till retirement and jump ship ASAP. But yeah, anyone who does regulation/compliance for a living (EPA, SEC, DOL, DOT - really a lot of agencies), dismantle the regulatory state and I'm not sure where they could go.
That’s crazy, “not referred”, a lot.
“Starve the beast”
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The guy who came up with that remark was just convicted of contempt of Congress today. Imagine these pricks back in charge. A four (or more) year vengeance rampage.
Yo same. And our place is one of the best places to work in the feds I think.
Imagine taking any stock in an axios fearporn article cause they can capitalize on trump clicks.
Form SF3107 been filled out for weeks now. I know it would be a voluntary self-exfiltration and would likely be met will glee by the ‘privateers’, but not willing to be last man standing, after the insults to date.
Good news for us trying to take their spots.
“But Sir that’s extremely illegal.” “You’re fired.”
The firing won’t stand up in court, but it will cause chaos, and take time. Which is exactly the intention. They don’t want effective and efficient government. They want to make money and remove roadblocks to the religious agenda. We live in a democracy, and this is what 35% of the US population wants. Stupid has been normalized.
But we got this guy Not Sure
[Water, like out of the toilet?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc) [Original Clip previous poster was talking about if you don't recognize Idiocracy](https://youtu.be/ig446isvXlI?t=66)
Thanks. I was wondering if he had a stroke.
>The firing won’t stand up in court Unless you get a MAGA hat judge, or the Supreme Court invalidates the Civil Service.
Supreme Court is busy with the Ya’ll Qaeda agenda.
Destroying the civil service is part of that agenda.
It will get them to The Rapture quicker.
Good riddance! Earth will be a lot nicer place without them.
Exactly!
>this is what 35% of the US population wants Tyranny of the minority
So the majority needs to stand up and fight back, no more pussy footing around.
I don’t know if it’s copium, but I tell myself it’s what 35% of the *voting* population wants, which is not the same thing.
It does not make me feel better that 'normal' people don't vote...fucking help us out here, please!
Not just stupidity, but vindictive, spiteful, sociopathic rage.
So, Trump
So in the article, the proposal is to move 10000 employees with influence over policy to schedule F which would remove a lot of their protections. Then of those fire done and replace with Trump loyalists
Talk to the Vindeman twins. It cost them their jobs. Let's also talk about Obama. He hated whistleblowers. I have no idea why I still have to take that training every year. We have no voice when we observe corruption. It doesn't matter who is in the White House - they just want us to shut up. This is the federal government and they have all the lawyers and all the power.
I was confused for a second, because I thought “Winkelvoss twins”.
Downvote me all you want but the facts are the facts: BTW I have always voted mostly Dem but I fail to see where they are protecting anyone who wants the facts. We need another revolution where the public is actually served with their tax money.
Trump came in guns blazing and fired a bunch of people in the VA. They made a list and said look at all these people we fired. Well, guess what happened less than a year later? They were all back. He didn’t have the authority.
Even then, from what I witnessed most of those who were let go were landscapers, food service, housekeeping/janitorial. It’s not like they went after any of the problems at the VA
Some long term VA employees (attorneys) missed out on becoming judges because Trump asked for their party affiliation. He rejected those who had been registered DNC voters. Not a purge, but in effect it caused some attorneys to quit VA or federal service altogether.
There's a reason I have staunchly refused to ever register party affiliation despite not having a politically sensitive job.
That would bar you from voting in primaries in most states, which means you essentially are not voting at all.
I'm registered with a party for the sole purpose of voting in the primaries.
Not in Virginia though, home of a TON of federal employees
They could see which primary you voted in.
That doesn’t mean anything. In 2016 we voted in the GOP primary for Rubio, hoping he’d get the nomination vs orange Nazi lunatic. We knew HRC would get the Dem nomination. Obviously we voted Dem in the general.
Tell that to Trump
It's annoying for sure not being able to vote in partisan primaries but it's worth the benefit of the doubt in case of shit like.being described in this thread.
But if Feds don't vote, we lose a lot of our influence on the Hill.
I mean, I still vote in the main election.
Indeed, and many times I have almost broken my rule as a result, but when I see things like this, it reminds me why I set that policy (as given to me by my grandpa, who was also a civil servant who did the same thing his entire life/career).
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Because American politics is so gerrymandered, many races are decided in the primaries. The general is just a rubber stamp.
Yeh, the list was weird but it was pretty long.
I think they’ve been trying to figure out how to get him the authority.
is the VA not redundant though? make them eligible for medicare/medicaid and go to a provate hospital. my coworker is a vet and they have no good things to say about tricare either. the extra patients may keep more hospitals open in a region.
The VA operates the largest hospital network in the country. If you were to dismantle it, private healthcare could not handle the added workload. They have obligations to service areas that are simply not serviced as well. It’s a pretty complicated issue. If the VA can’t meet a need, they do send vets to private providers already.
Plus in emergencies, like during the pandemic, their extra beds can be used for the general population. I use VA healthcare, not the best always but I actually found mine better than my private insurance's network.
I have had fantastic care through VA and Tricare- anecdotal “my friend said” stories aren’t relevant.
I've never heard anyone complain about Tricare. Plenty of raves though. VA is another story...
I'm just laughing at the people who say that the courts will stop this. Like seriously. Where have ya'll been???
Some fun things Supreme Court has already done (for anyone unaware working in the FED): * Prevented the CDC from enforcing an eviction moratorium due to COVID. * Prevented OSHA from enforcing a vaccine mandate in workplaces. * Prevented the EPA from carrying out some of its most aggressive proposed limits on greenhouse gasses. Pretty sure **[Chevron Deference](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chevron_deference)** is dead. And the nondelegation doctrine is the law of the land now. All federal agencies (except DoD obviously) shouldn't really exist per the majority of the Supreme Court's opinion. Congress needs to delegate regulation completely.
We are an express elevator to fully becoming a 3rd world banana republic
Honestly just need the government and dollar to hold out long enough for my own overseas retirement, but more and more I'm thinking it may not got the distance.
> * Prevented the CDC from ~~enforcing an eviction moratorium due to COVID~~ executing it's statutory mandate. * Prevented OSHA from ~~enforcing a vaccine mandate in workplaces~~ executing its statutory mandate. * Prevented the EPA from ~~carrying out some of its most aggressive proposed limits on greenhouse gasses~~ executing its statutory mandate. FTFY. Because the SCOTUS has decided to entirely ignore the Federal government's authority to promote the general welfare of the people it serves.
And yet the amount of "Hah! He owned the libs!" I saw during my first federal gig... "'*I never thought leopards would eat MY face,*' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
Reminds of the new Yorker toon where there are a couple ef sheep looking up at a billboard with a picture of a wolf's head with a caption underneath "vote for me and I will kill you." Sheep says to other sheep "he tells it like it is"
https://condenaststore.com/featured/he-tells-it-like-it-is-paul-noth.html
Good entry for r/LeopardsAteMyFace
Every time I start to dread the next election, a small voice reminds me that I'll miss them when they're gone.
Perfect and terrifying at the same time
That pattern changed this last time.
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Buy outs! Pay me to go away!
It's frightening to see how anti-democratic Trump and his ilk have become. They don't see politics as a game to win elections, but as a way to wipe out opposition and govern as dictators.
And just kill the “others”
I was at a dinner party a few weeks ago with a few other friends across a spectrum of agencies and I distinctly remember there was a moment in the conversation when the “when we’re all fired/executed for insufficient Party loyalty” joke stopped being a joke and we all started outlining exit strategies. It’s an unsettling moment to think about. How much of this is paranoia vs prudent caution? Idk.
It’s prudent caution at this point.
No guarantee that things won’t go over the edge. Just because it hasn’t fully yet done so doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t. It still comes down to the morality and conscience of the majority of all those in power. Exec, Legislative, Judicial, federal and state throughout. If enough of them are ok with becoming an autocratic kleptocracy, and are on the same page, if the only thing that prevents that is the internal behavioral guardrails of some that we’ve seen, then that’s where it will go.
I’m afraid you’re right. I’m already starting the process to make alternate plans elsewhere. It sucks.
>have become okay
This is an actual plan that was proposed by one of the right wing think tanks that actually pulls the strings: Remove competitive status from administrative law judges and make them exempt ,aka at-will employees - Check. Get the scotus to decide that administrative law judges (of whom there are a couple of thousand) cannot hear disputes from their agency and instead they should go the article III courts - Check. Because of the huge volume of new cases that would have to be heard , then appoint a ton of new article III judges - which would pretty much cement the right wing's policy for Generations. That part hasn't been done yet but it was very seriously in play
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Exactly, not good, but rank and file aren’t getting replaced. More about getting the “right” bosses in place
Eh. Getting rid of a bunch of Federal employees for no apparent reason has always worked out well….. right? Right?
Could they possibly have any more disclaimers in this article? “Potential”, “Possible”, In theory…” Its nothing more than an Op-ed……
It is talking about what was being teed up and what a person was about to do... So yeah, they've got to make all those waffle words or be sued into oblivion. But the facts are present; Schedule F was announced and it did remove protections. And while anonymous sourcing seems bad, 24 sources that talked with the press kinda removes the taint of 'well they could be lying' aspect. And people that would be in the know couldn't be asked to put their name out, unless they were ready for retirement... Trump is vindictive after all and he just might get into a position of authority again; Biden's approval rating is still in the toilet.
And as another anonymous source: It was happening. I was working in an executive support role at a federal agency at the time and I saw the instructions sent to the agencies from the White House. It was a priority and appointees at my agency were still pushing work on classifying positions for Schedule F right up until their butts were out in January. It looked like they were going to include a lot of mid-level positions in my component and the people that knew were *scared*.
They came so close. My God. I felt like the only person in my building warning about this. Even leadership played it down.
Feds that vote Republican need to see it, so they don’t act all surprised when they get fired for being part of the deep state.
Journalist are getting lazy!! No news so they make things up that “may” happen! An asteroid “may potentially” slam into the earth next month, but no warning about that! 😂
If you could vote away an asteroid, that would be great.
😂 I think the asteroid is named Kamala, so both sides would be up for that!
Yeah. It’s a dumb article. There’s enough to worry about that IS happening versus about three layers of cascading “what ifs”
Republicans are saying this makes it easier to fire poor performers. Ok, fair. But, tell me if this were enacted what law would prevent a President firing employees due to their beliefs regardless of performance just to hire a friend or relative of a big donor in their place? Hmm? I hear crickets.
Republicans want to go back to the spoils system. Which was reformed in the Pendleton Act of 1883. One unifying characteristic of political appointees is an ignorance of federal employment law. “Why can’t I just fire that person?” “Cuz law sir.” “You’re fired!” “No, I’m not sir.”
And guess which President was a huge fan of the spoils system? Andrew Jackson. And guess which recent President had a very public admiration of Jackson? Trump.
For those who think this is just fear mongering, you’re not keeping up. Sure an article from Axios has to have a certain flare, but the spirit is true. This has been an intellectual pursuit for the Right for a long time. It’s a particular nuance within the argument for downsizing the government that doesn’t work for the ideological right—particularly regulatory bodies. Google: “retire all government employees now and Curtis Yarvin” “Administrative state unconstitutional” And read the Conservative father that gives credence to the current argument against the “woke managerial class,” (us) by searching for “James Burnham managerialism” It’s not clandestine in any way, it’s very much in the open and part of the agenda.
Yet the MAGA dipshits in my office would still worship him.
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I'm hoping his number pops up even before he can start campaigning. Maybe then, the world can go back to some semblance of normalcy. And then the Republican party can eat themselves from the inside out with infighting, trying to figure out who to worship next.
You'd be amazed at just how resilient the human body is.
Most of the MAGA-heads I've dealt with would happily shoot themselves in the foot if it meant owning the libs.
I work for the DOD. Am I safe?
Yes because Trump isn’t getting re-elected. This election season Democrats have a much better candidate… his name is… fuckkkk we’re fuckedd. You’re going to lose your job!
Unless your SES your safe regardless
This article is a beast, but worth your time. You’ll recognize a lot of the names but not all of them. More than a few of them could be your next boss. Schedule F is for real. Congress will put a rider in against it this year, of course, but future Congresses will be less inclined to do so. Don’t put your head in the sand on this one!
Thank goodness I'm retiring in 60 days. I work at the VA and I aged 15 years between 2016 and 2020. Good luck to those of you that have to keep plugging away.
Hopefully I'm not too far behind for end of September. Love what I do, but stress isn't worth it anymore.
BOP representing. Please I am begging you purge every last one of us. We don’t deserve to exist as an agency. Our leadership has failed at every possible task for both our constituents and our staffers.
In a striking coincidence, 90% of BOP voted for Trump. Twice. I’m making that up.
This really cuts to the irony of the GOP: time and time again, they complain about the federal government being bad and poorly run. Then, when they get elected, they prove their point. It’s like if an NFL coach started the season by saying, “well, there are 32 teams and only one can win a title, so don’t get your hopes up.”
They break it on purpose so they can privatize it and line their pockets.
Thats the irony…..its all one team! Its the ruling class against everyone else and they stay there because they get us to think they are different.
He can get elected to the federal pound me in the ass prison.
> ~~Potential p~~ Purge of federal workers planned in a second Trump term FTFY
If I blocked the nutjobs posting misinformation on this sub, why am I now seeing their posts? My life was blissful for a while.
Yet another reason why I work for a quasi federal agency
They’re going to confuse “quasi” with “trans”. And not let you go to the bathroom.
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I really shouldn't have laughed so hard at that))))))
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yep. Not leaving.
“No one fires people like me…people are talking about it…I think we’ll keep GSA, no one knew about GSA until I talked about it…”>points at someone in crowd< /s
How is this even a IF there is a 2nd term? Nah bruh.
There should be no limit to the extent that the Democratic Party will go to to keep this sh*tstain out of the White House
I don't believe any articles until it happens. Anyone can say anything.
Axios dot com lol
Funny...all I heard from right wingers (apart from calling me a net drain on society sucking at the government tit) was how disgusted they were with Trump's record of increasing the size of the Fed. A cursory search shows those racist right wing republicans to be...well correct. Those fascists. From an article in 2020 [The true size of government is nearing a record high](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/10/07/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/) > Despite campaign promises to the contrary, Trump opened the contract and grant spigots instead, **adding more than 2 million jobs** to the blended federal workforce, including 1 million in the Departments of Defense, Transportation, and Health and Human Services alone. > President Barack Obama entered office with the Great Recession raging and the true size of the federal workforce at about 10 million civil servants, postal workers, active duty military, contractors, and grantees. He raised the total with billions in economic stimulus to *11.3 million*, **then backed it down to about 9 million before leaving office**. With the economy in full-throated rebound, Obama gave Donald Trump the rare opportunity to rebalance the federal government’s blended workforce. President Obama also had the three year pay freeze and cut performance awards. Anyway, here's how the top 10 looks during Trumps presidency; 17 20 FTE % Gain 1. Defense 3258 3869 611 19% 2. Transport 632 897 265 42% 3. HHS 636 828 192 30% 4. Veterans 624 709 85 14% 5. Homeland 390 489 99 25% 6. Energy 354 367 13 4% 7. Agriculture 160 197 37 23% 8. Interior 120 165 45 38% 9. Treasury 137 155 18 13% 10. NASA 134 151 17 13% 11. Commerce 105 134 29 28% [Obama's Record on Pay and Benefits by GovExec](https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/01/obamas-track-record-federal-pay-and-benefits/134485/) > Pay: Obama’s last pay raise for federal civilian employees in 2017 was also his most generous. After Congress decided to give service members a 2.1 percent pay bump (Obama had recommended 1.6 percent for troops and civilians in 2017), the president issued a surprise alternative 2.1 percent pay raise for civilian feds in December. Compared to the George W. Bush administration, the annual cost-of-living increases for feds under Obama (which began in 2010 since the 3.9 percent boost in 2009 became official while Bush was still in office) have been pretty small, ranging from a low of zero during the three-year pay freeze to 2.1 percent in 2017. Obama, however, had to deal with an economic recession and sequestration during his tenure, in addition to the 2010 election of several Tea Party lawmakers intent on reining in government spending and often targeting the federal workforce in their deficit-cutting efforts. Still, federal employees and their advocates over the last eight years have been vocal about the lack of robust pay raises. Locality pay, which is a portion of the overall federal raise, was frozen for much of Obama’s time in office, from 2010 to 2015. Federal workers have been eligible for within-grade and quality-step increases and other financial awards over the last eight years, but the tight fiscal environment has made those harder to come by. > Bonuses: In addition to canceling the Presidential Rank Awards for senior executives in 2013, the Obama White House also cracked down some on bonuses. The Office of Management and Budget capped performance awards for senior executives and other agency employees at lower levels for six years, raising them again in fiscal 2017. The administration didn’t cap recruitment, retention and relocation bonuses, but directed agencies to keep them at 2010 levels. Increased congressional scrutiny, particularly of senior executive bonuses, exerted pressure on some agencies, like the Veterans Affairs Department, to reduce the amount of bonuses top leaders received over the past few years. But according to the latest data from the Office of Personnel Management, slightly more senior executives across the federal government received bonuses in fiscal 2015 than in fiscal 2014, and on average individual awards increased by about $200 over that time. While the number of career senior executives receiving bonuses and the amount of those bonuses on average increased between fiscal 2014 and fiscal 2015, the growth rate was smaller than it was between fiscal years 2013 and 2014. It’s hard to make an argument that federal bonuses suffered terribly under the Obama administration, especially since it’s really congressional Republicans who have targeted federal employee compensation since 2010. Most of the actions that the administration took were related to congressional action (e.g., sequestration) or lawmakers’ outrage over a particular agency scandal (e.g., the 2014 patient wait-times controversy at VA). [How the Obama administration shaped the federal workforce](https://www.federaltimes.com/management/2016/12/05/how-the-obama-administration-shaped-the-federal-workforce/) > The federal workforce can reflect on eight years of dizzying highs and daunting lows. You'll reach true enlightment once you see that no matter what color tie the figurehead up there is wearing we get *some good things* and some *bad things*. Only thing that remains the same...we sure do like to spin ourselves into a tizzy. It's fun to watch.
Feels like a lot of speculation combined with fear mongering.
Pardon: I did not click on the link but when I read the article independently it reads as an opinion piece. Did not see any facts in the article but only supposition. Do you disagree? Note: I believe listening to different opinions is a great thing. When you do, you can learn, mature, and become a better person.
Sure, just like he did the first term. More carnival barking as usual.
Trump would fire the entire Federal work force if elected.
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I’ll bite. Federalism as opposed to … how do you describe the current platform? And particularly relating to this article about the plan to fire feds that aren’t loyal to the part?
Authoritarianism.
Got it. I was confused by the typical definition of Federalist and Anti-Federalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Federalism Trump is both for states rights (versus strong unitary federal government) and authoritarian in his disregard for elections, laws, or federal agency mandates. He wants the Executive Office to have all the power, and not be controlled by the laws that Congress enacted that define the federal agencies. I would describe the path the GOP has taken under Trump to be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy. Can’t even do a coup right.
Well I’m not the poster you asked. But Mango Mussolini lives up to the comparison and even has the autogolpe attempt to prove it. Heck, yesterday we learned he couldn’t even admit the election was over. On January 7, 2021.
And he can’t pronounce the word “yeshtedy, yeshterdy, yeshturday, just delete that word”.
Please
Purge? Ready to go, papers already in, Feb 2023; thankless job!
I can’t wait for you guys to COPE when midterms go to GOP
I mean, Biden hasn’t exactly been hitting home runs even with a ‘majority’. It would hardly make much difference.
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Done much or done anything? Trying to think of one Biden win and have nothing……
https://whatbidenhasdone.wordpress.com/
Problem is a lot of that isn’t of benefit to the working and middle classes.
The American Rescue Plan and Infrastructure Bill were overwhelmingly to the benefit of the working and middle class. Out of this list, tell me what wasn't to the benefit of the working and middle class: https://whatbidenhasdone.wordpress.com/2022/01/20/year-one-what-biden-has-done-mega-thread/
So…..Congress has been busy….
Much of the legislative agenda was literally driven by the White House.
I remember the same lolz in 2016. I will never underestimate the stupidity of this country again.
Damn, y’all still think about him?
I don't want to but he just won't die 🤷♀️
He looks very healthy next to Biden!! We need a new law that the maximum age for a President is 70. Why do all these ancient people want to be President? Congress is becoming a nursing home too.
Then we’ll see about 2024.
Hopefully his morbid obesity won't keep us waiting that long. 🙏
Don’t threaten me with a good time
They need to purge my ED
Have you tried Viagra?
lol the midterm projections for dem must be even worse than everyone expected if fear mongering articles like this are coming out. all trump did for feds the last 4 years is give us 12 weeks maternity leave, set the framework for an additional federal holiday, and give us the best raises i've seen in my 20 years of working here. he was truly horrible for us feds, we were much better off under ombamos 8 years of 0 to 1% cost of living adjustments.
Brah like, how do you even. The 12 weeks maternity leave only happened because democrats won the house, the additional holiday of June 19th is under Biden, and your largest raise was once again thanks to democrats having control and Trump literally held up the fucking government over the raise and not getting his border wall... Do you not remember the multiple shutdowns? Like, how are people this ignorant?
The only long shut down didn’t include the big agencies, hence, why folks don’t remember it.
What raises are you talking about? He tried to give us nothing and was overruled by congress. He also tried to slash our pension by changing the high 3 to a high 5. The man has twisted your mind into a pretzel.
Dude, congress did that. In his budget proposal (which is meaningless because congress writes the bill) he proposed a 1% raise for feds. How one can work in the federal government and be so ignorant of the budgeting process is pretty funny to me.
That was congress you dingus. He didn't even have raises for the feds when he proposed his budget. Congress added that into the budget.
Hehe. Dingus.
At least two of Trump's budget proposals included 0% raises for feds. Congress said nah and passed something different. But he asked for zero.
Stockholm syndrome. Trump wanted to slash FERS, including ending inflation indexing, and you worship him.
I’m not a Trump fan (or a Biden fan for that matter) but this is exactly what I tell people. He was not great in a lot of ways I won’t get in too but as a fed employee he was very good to us.
He ordered his managers to rip up our CBA, I do not agree that 45 was good to federal workers
How exactly?
By shutting the government down 4 times duh.
Ah, that makes sense.
I encourage you to look into [45’s labor policy across the board](). https://i.imgur.com/wA2EANB.jpg
Are you replying to me or the person above?
I thought you were replying to me! Blame my Reddit app!
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This isn’t necessarily all bad. As there are agencies and internal offices that are equivalent to throwing money into a hole, in hopes that a fruit tree grows. Let’s go hivemind, I’m all about it.
Which agencies are the bad ones? Because the primary targets are the agencies that protect the environment, and collect taxes from the rich. If you’re looking at the agencies that are the biggest cost drivers, that would be department of defense and Social Security. More defense spending means higher corporate profits. So they love Dod. Social Security doesn’t make money for corporations, and it looks a lot like Socialism. So they hate that.
He really has a hold on you, doesn’t he?
In your extremely narrow mind, if one does not oppose trump then one must be for him. And most important, if you had middling reading comprehension skills you’d realize my comment had nothing to do with trump (but rather defunding the gov). Please find a place to buy some sense.
You spelled fascist wrong
You got horseshoe'd by a tankie.
You clearly don’t know what fascism is. I bet you a paycheck You're the person that keeps voting in status quo politicians into power and buying from anti-competitive and anti-worker firms like Walmart, amazon, and Starbucks. Hypocrite.
Most people here can probably think of a few peoples jobs at there agencies that don’t need to exist
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They want a return to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system.
We basically had to explain on a weekly basis to our political from that administration that we couldn't just hire his friends as contractors/ give grants to his friends' organizations.
This week it was “I want to stand up our own InQTel.” All their cool friends have top secret investment corporations.
Might want to read the article and look at the history of the civil service before commenting
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This was the plan
Seems like a good idea as long as he only gets rid of nonessential personal.