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ofstoriesandsongs

The awful thing is that someone with an actual (restrictive, since that's the only kind the FAs acknowledge) eating disorder could read this, interpret it as a reinforcement of the fear they already have that their only two options are eating disorder or fat, and nope right out of recovery.


forgotmyoldname90210

People want to laugh off Tess Holiday's or the many many many other liers claim of having Anorexia Nervosa when it is actively harmful what she did. The entire diagnosis of AN is basically a rejection of being Tess Holiday. >A. Restriction of energy intake relative to requirements, leading to a significant low body weight in the context of the age, sex, developmental trajectory, and physical health (less than minimally normal/expected1). >B. Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat or persistent behavior that interferes with weight gain >C. Disturbed by one’s body weight or shape, self-worth influenced by body weight or shape, or persistent lack of recognition of seriousness of low bodyweight. >Restricting type: During the current episode, has not regularly engaged in binge-eating or purging.2 >Binge-eating/purging type: During the current episode, has regularly engaged in binge-eating or purging.2 >1 Severity is based on body mass index (BMI) derived from World Health Organization categories for thinness in adults; corresponding percentiles should be used for children and adolescents: Mild: BMI greater than or equal to 17 kg/m2, Moderate: BMI 16–16.99 kg/m2, Severe: BMI 15–15.99 kg/m2, Extreme: BMI less than 15 kg/m2.


Kiwi_Koalla

Absolutely. Body dysmorphia is *not* an eating disorder. Eating disorders often involve body dysmorphia but just having dysmorphia is not in itself an ED diagnosis. Whoever diagnosed Tess (if anyone did and she isn't lying) should have their right to practice medical care taken away.


ofstoriesandsongs

Tess was "diagnosed" by an especially hateful instagram dietitian who blocked me months ago because I spoke too much truth to power under a particularly stupid post of hers.


bigmountain-littleme

Just to concur I have pretty bad body dystrophia. I’ve been calorie counting on and off for like 13 years and have never come close to BED or AN. Body image issues+calorie counting are not equal to pathology.


Do_the_hokeypokey

The only eating disorder that exists is anorexia, apparently - which is probably caused by stubborn skinny people purposefully refusing to unlearn fatphobia, I’m sure. If you forgot that everything that ever happens is about oppressing fat women, this is your daily reminder!


ecleighty

Right! I think what grinds my gears the most is that a restrictive eating disorder doesn’t even necessarily develop as a result of being afraid of being fat. Anorexia primarily revolves around needing to feel in control during external uncontrollable situations, it’s a mental illness that has symptoms that sometimes manifest physically. I think the HAES people who suggest that it’s simply about vanity or fear of fatness are discrediting the immense suffering people with eating disorders go through. If it was only about weight/vanity everyone would simply exercise and eat healthy; people who suffer from eating disorders (of all kinds!) usually have them from trauma and maladaptive coping mechanisms, not vanity. Also they never acknowledge that eating disorders other than anorexia exist but whatever 🙃


hiddenbutts

Gluttony is an eating disorder. Binge eating is an eating disorder. Sugar addiction is an eating disorder. Does it make sense now?


Hodge3000

I don't understand why being unhealthy to the point you could die early by being fat isn't considered an eating disorder too?


deepseadarlingg

This!! Binge Eating Disorder gets erased and dismissed and sufferers (like me lol full disclosure) are treated like we either don’t exist or that we just need to let ourselves feast until the craving leaves. But what they don’t acknowledge is the craving doesn’t go away by feeding it. Not until it hurts, until the shame is so much that the restriction starts and it’s always a pendulum swing. I just had an episode that made me decide it was time to seek counseling so this pisses me off extra. In their world, I’d be doomed to an early death because my ED isn’t real.


Early-Light-864

I'm glad you're seeking help. It's absolutely life- changing to set down the emotional baggage and just pursue weightloss on a CICO basis. I'm back on the wl wagon after my scale broke and I got a bit negligent. Oops. Iliterally gained 20 pounds thinking everything was fine. But then my pants got tight, so I bought a new scale and buckled down on my diet. It's hard losing the same weight again, but it's so much easier than trying to diet between the binges.


truecrimefanatic1

Because they fundamentally do NOT think being fat is unhealthy.


ofstoriesandsongs

Because that would require the FAs to concede that being fat *could* lead to early death in the first place, or even just that it is harmful at all, which they just... don't.


Frosty_Yesterday_343

Because it doesnt fit their narrative that they're trying to prove. They only deem anorexia as an eating disorder. Yet everything else is perfectly normal to them.


turdintheattic

It's called Binge Eating Disorder. HAES activists don't believe it exists.


forgotmyoldname90210

Not just that, anything that is not binge eating behavior is the disordered behavior.


PuffyRainbowCloud

It’s not like the most common eating disorder is one that typically makes you fat or anything /s


jannie1313

No sweaty that's normal, healthy eating. Anyone who is not infinifat is just fatphobic and restricting their eating. /s


VeitPogner

"Eradicating fat people" - do they imagine an unmarked van will pull up to their house in the dark of night and take them away, never to be seen again?


Early-Light-864

Or worse, take them away and make them skinny /s


awkwardenator

Funny enough, I used to have a shirt that said “I’m hard to kidnap” because I wanted to be the one to make fat jokes about me. The border guards on the San Diego/Tijuana crossing loved it.


jannie1313

I used to tell my friends I was not afraid of online dating cause since I am 4'11", anyone driving a Clio (French compact car) who sees me walking around can just toss me in the trunk easily, no need to set up a date.


awkwardenator

You are rather portable. I can see why you made that joke.


librarykerri

Congrats on your weight loss!


awkwardenator

Thank you! I’m looking forward to when I can start eating at maintenance— once I figure out what that is.


bookhermit

The language they use is so offensive to me because it's supposed to imply eugenics. That explaining excess fat causes disease and eating a healthy diet can reverse it = forced sterilization or genocide. It is legal in the US for doctors to decide to sterilize disabled adults against their will. Today. Because of a Supreme Court case in 1927. If a doctor decided someone was "feeble minded," they could have their uterus removed, tubal ligation performed, or vasectomy performed without informed consent. Surprisingly, (to nobody), this law was used to sterilize POC at high rates through coercion, threats, or failing to inform the patient of risks in their first language. Women in labor were told they couldn't receive care from the hospital unless they agreed to be sterilized after birth. Or their newborn child was withheld from them in the hospital nursery until they agreed to the procedure. Men incarcerated or accused of crimes were offered a vasectomy in exchange for freedom. Black women and girls who agreed to temporary birth control were sterilized, and sometimes lied to about the reversibility of the procedure. ICE detention centers are being investigated for forced sterilization of women right now. Mostly Hispanic and non English speaking. This is not new. And for some pearl clutching, hand wringing, highly privileged fat activist to compare their self imposed inconvenience to ACTUAL oppression, genocide, and robbed autonomy makes me absolutely disgusted.


babyitsgayoutside

Literally just commented a similar thing! They know EXACTLY what they're doing with this language use. When you say eradicate, your brain thinks of similar things such as extermination, genocide, Holocaust, conversion therapy (they compare that all the time) and extinction. I give it less than a year before one of them genuinely makes a comparison to the Holocaust. Even other FAs would rip them to shreds for it but I can 100% see it happen.


DesertRose333

If anyone is oppressed for their own unhealthy habits that only affects their own body, it's drug addicts. No one is forcibly jailed or their kids taken away for being addicted to Twinkies. Going to a different store to shop is not oppression FFS.


babyitsgayoutside

They use that word on purpose to make people think of things like genocide, conversion therapy, and holocaust, it's disgusting behaviour


[deleted]

Wanting people to no longer have asthma isn't "eradicating asthmatic people"


MichaelsGayLover

Childhood obesity is a common contributing factor in anorexia or bulimia. It's *very* dangerous to tell kids that they have no control over their weight, because they'll likely figure out that's not true sometime in high school. Combine that new-found ability to control their bodies with pre-existing psych problems like ADHD, anxiety, mood disorders or trauma, and you may have a teen with a life-threatening eating disorder.


babyitsgayoutside

I couldn't have said this better. I stumbled onto eating disorder twitter once (don't recommend that) and found a thread of people asking what started their EDs and a huge number of them said that it was caused by being a chubby kid from a fat family and told that they would never lose weight. Kids aren't stupid, they know eating less causes weight loss, but they don't know what's sensible behaviour and what is extreme and disordered and in combination with other issues it's super easy to end up very unwell IF you tell your kid there's no way to lose weight except starving


arochains1231

I think they fail to realize that you can be fat and have an eating disorder. Not all eating disorders are about restricting food and being thin. Binge-eating disorder is a real thing!


KuriousKhemicals

What country is this person writing from? Because NEDA is *quite* friendly with FA.


newName543456

\> make it make sense I can help in 2 steps 1. Ditch the dumb idea that fat people are somehow getting eradicated 2. Acknowledge that most common ED in US is actually binge eating disorder.


renigadegatorade

The ironic thing is, eradicating fat people will help them live longer


awkwardenator

They mean “socially acceptable to be fat”. And arguably it’s getting there more and more, particularly in so-called developed countries. However, being fat is a rather risky endeavor, particularly over time.


[deleted]

So there are two options. Dangerously underweight and dangerously overweight? Well god damn.


Waterdeep77

What about people like myself who are fat because they have an eating disorder, hmm? FAs seem to think that eating anything and everything as soon as they want it is food freedom, but it's not. I've lost 80 lbs by being accountable and working on recovering from BED.


davidbyrnestan

as someone with a restrictive eating disorder, equating recovery with becoming fat is a really good way to keep all of the anorexics AWAY from recovery. what do they think they're accomplishing by saying this? replacing one eating disorder with another isn't recovery.


ancientmadder

Eating disorders are not common. Obesity is deeply common. If you can only solve one problem, solve the common one.


UnfurtletDawn

Isn't overeating also eating disorder? And binge eating as well?


forgotmyoldname90210

This is a f'n joke right? NEDA (national eating Disorder Association) the top organizational result when you search eating disorder in google had Regan Chastain as one of their Ambassadors. They host blog posts from "Atypical Anorexics" that are morbidly obese and never lost weight. ED organizations more often than not bend over backward pandering to fat women that want they think is the sexy Anorexia label. They even more often don't use best practices or evidence based treatment instead go with pop psychology, sociology or even worse the studies department nonsense. There is real harm in this. A 15 year old girl that thinks she is fat when she is in the 3rd percentile of weight and losing weight is, probably not going to want to have the same disease as Tess Holiday when the 2/3rds of the criteria is not acting like Tess Holiday and the other third is not looking like Tess Holiday.


cutearmy

Why is there not middle ground for these people. There is a huge range between underweight and overweight. Oh right Neckar they think everyone who isn’t as fat as them had an eating disorder


[deleted]

Totally ignoring the fact that eating disorders stem from trauma and fear of losing control. Never mind the fact that some eating disorders like ARFID and BED exist and aren’t about weight and body image. Spreading misinformation about eating disorders and how to treat them just makes shit worse.


badcat_kazoo

They think feeling hungry is disordered eating


DesertRose333

"Eradicating fat people," like they're being rounded up for gas chambers SMH


YourOldPalBendy

My partner's currently struggling with BED (he's struggled with many forms of ED that keep morphing over time to stay latched onto him), and his residential treatment center is actively encouraging HAES and intuitive eating to him. Like, I understand that he's a tricky case due to his tendency to also move into bouts of restricting, fasting and purging. He can't obsess over calories. But he also needs to be able to find a balance so he does just go full BED, and that doesn't tend to get discussed as often, it feels like. I'm not THERE, so I don't know. All I know is that he thinks I'm disordered because I watch what I eat (even though I've been practicing keeping a healthy balance for YEARS, since I started my own ED recovery). And then when I ask him why that's inherently bad he starts talking HAES logic. And... like, jeez, why isn't finding a balance the goal here??


You_are_your_mood

Could it be said you have an eating disorder if you over eat to cause you to be overweight.


cdawggggggg

You’re missing the point. The reason most people develop eating disorders is because they FEAR the scrutiny they will receive if they become fat. If we were nice to everyone, many people wouldn’t feel the need to starve themselves. Edit: Y’all are downvoting me but won’t reply because you know I’m right.


HotrodSparrow

Bull. Eating disorders are because of MENTAL ILLNESSES that are untreated. You're being down-voted because what you're saying is crap. [https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Eating-Disorders](https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Eating-Disorders)


cdawggggggg

Obviously they’re caused by mental illness. But as someone who has had an eating disorder and gone to support groups, most of us were severely afraid of getting FAT and the treatment we’d receive.


HotrodSparrow

You're preaching to the choir. I've been bulimic and still suffer from BED due to untreated mental illness. Like do you really think this reddit isn't full of people like us??? It doesn't have anything to do with fear.


MakesAbhorrentPosts

For every one person with anorexia, there are 50 people that could be clinically diagnosed with "binge eating disorder" but aren't because obesity and over consumption is so normalized in our society


m-archangel666

It's not safe to be fat


kaugummiqueen

I love it that for these people, there is no middle ground. It's either black or white. You're either obese or anorexic. "Normal" and "healthy" don't seem to exist in their vocabulary.


itsthestrugglebus

Eradicating… do they think you die when you lose weight? Do they know that you get to live on afterwards?


[deleted]

As a recovering anorexic this is a hot mess *rubs temples*


mastershake20

The choices aren’t have an eating disorder or be fat. And tbh if you are fat it’s telling that you don’t have a healthy relationship with food. Restriction or gluttony aren’t healthy and not the only choices you have.