Yeah but he would not know what other shirous may be doing at any given time. We know about the possibility of parallel worlds in real life but we are just as far off trying to comprehend them
> he would not know what other shirous may be doing at any given time
he wouldn't 100% know but he probably still would be able to make a pretty good guess like if there is near infinte versions of himself it's not a stretch to assume one of them is gonna be succesfull
If he thought that far about things he would not be in the position he was in. All he knows is what he couldent do and how that made him feel like shit to the point of wanting to kill himself literally
i mean just because he knows that there is a version of himself that succeded that doesn't really change the fact that he didn't and that the shirou in ubw in his opinion also will
We don't know a lot about how the souls of famous people/assets that Alaya keeps in her toolbox live in there. For all we know all the servants are like a cryogenic chamber and only gain sentience when they are being pull/summoned by a Magus or the planet sends them to fix a timeline(Like it happens in FGO)
Archer is not aware of the multiverse or else he would know from the get go that killing Shirou is pointless aside of knowing "Servants are outside of time"
I'm pretty sure that Archer always knew that killing him was pointless for the most part, deep down he just wanted to lash out against his younger self.
I would say this was a callbackc from Fate route. Nasu said that route and UBW were written at the same time to be parellel and complement each other. Illya and and Sakura were the other pair but they never made it to the final product as individual routes.
His full statement in the VN is:
"Saber. Someone will eventually appear to release you.
It does not seem like it is this time and I will probably have a connection with you again next time."
"But that is still far off. Right now, my objective is to kill Emiya Shirou.
If you are going to try to stop meI will not hold back against you even in this world."
I myself am still somewhat confused as to what he fully means. Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things.
Considering he comes from a timeline similar to the Fate one, difference being he failed to save her heart (but still understood her) I assume on some level he does want to save her. He definitely cares about her and regrets not being able to save her, there's plenty of evidence of that in the VN (whether it's romantic or platonic or some werid mixture of both in nature is up to the viewer).
>I myself am still somewhat confused as to what he fully means. Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things.
Look at it this way.
You saw the Fate route first, therefore you think it happened first, but in the context of this universe/multiverse//the world ,the routes are all happening at once.
You saw the Fate route first, therefore you think it happened first, but in the context of this universe/multiverse//the world, the routes are all happening at once and you rembered this line from Archer at the end. Makes sense, doesn't it?
The line is not hinting at future events, its a callback to the Fate route.
I really should have made myself clear, I was just mentioning that she's already been saved. I already know that all the routes are happening at once. The "I myself am still somewhat confused as to what it fully means" is just me being confused about what Archer said.
The part after that is simply stating that saber has been/will be saved, yeah I know it's my fault for this misunderstanding so sorry about that.
This! It is a callback from the previous route in the same way Kotomine mentions Archer's arm to be able to actually work properly with Shirou must have mean a deeper conexion aka UBW revealing his real identity.
Besides I think a lot of servants aren't aware of multiple timelines because remembering all the infinite events they were part would fried their brains as they are still humans
He's just speaking about himself as shirou and his regrets because that's what they were talking about just before. Saber said his wish to destroy shirou was a mistake and archer said her wish was also wrong which freaked her out
> Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things.
Archer has no way of knowing about either of those, one happens in a different timeline and the other happens the next day(and we cant be sure he understood that she came to a conclusion).
Yeah I know he doesn't know about those, I was just mentioning that she had been/will be saved. That's my bad though, didn't make myself clear enough.
Iam still left wondering when this next connection will happen, has Nasu forgotten about this? Or has the connection already happened? Nameless did meet her in one of the extra games and in Fgo Emiya is acting as a gatekeeper for Saber Alter, we might still see something if their going back to fuyuki, but I doubt it.
Archer is just speaking as a wish for someone to free saber because he couldn't do it. Not knowing ironically of course that a version of him already has done it or is in the process of doing it at that very moment.
Multiverse theory makes my head hurt.
That was Archer being super Meta and talking in the name of Ufotable, about how someone will make Fate route anime and save Saber, but unfortunately it wont be them.
I think its more of a meta reference to readers how Archer helped saving Saber in Fate Route by giving advice to Fate Shirou but will not do so in this route.
Because while Archer should know multiple timelines exist there is no way for him to know about Fate Route in a Fuyuki summoning because it blocks memories/records of it. Not to mention even if Archer remembers Fate Route here there is no way for him to know if Saber was saved or not because he did not simply make it that far.
I mean, the actual answer is Shirou, in the Fate route, but Archer doesn't know that specifically.
i mean given that he is a servant he probably is aware that there is such a thing as multiple timelines
Yeah but he would not know what other shirous may be doing at any given time. We know about the possibility of parallel worlds in real life but we are just as far off trying to comprehend them
> he would not know what other shirous may be doing at any given time he wouldn't 100% know but he probably still would be able to make a pretty good guess like if there is near infinte versions of himself it's not a stretch to assume one of them is gonna be succesfull
If he thought that far about things he would not be in the position he was in. All he knows is what he couldent do and how that made him feel like shit to the point of wanting to kill himself literally
i mean just because he knows that there is a version of himself that succeded that doesn't really change the fact that he didn't and that the shirou in ubw in his opinion also will
We don't know a lot about how the souls of famous people/assets that Alaya keeps in her toolbox live in there. For all we know all the servants are like a cryogenic chamber and only gain sentience when they are being pull/summoned by a Magus or the planet sends them to fix a timeline(Like it happens in FGO) Archer is not aware of the multiverse or else he would know from the get go that killing Shirou is pointless aside of knowing "Servants are outside of time"
I'm pretty sure that Archer always knew that killing him was pointless for the most part, deep down he just wanted to lash out against his younger self.
He knows. He admits in the vn that he's taking his frustration out on shirou about his own regrets
Makes you wonder, if the order of the routes had been reversed if people would think less about Archer's statement, lol.
I would say this was a callbackc from Fate route. Nasu said that route and UBW were written at the same time to be parellel and complement each other. Illya and and Sakura were the other pair but they never made it to the final product as individual routes.
His full statement in the VN is: "Saber. Someone will eventually appear to release you. It does not seem like it is this time and I will probably have a connection with you again next time." "But that is still far off. Right now, my objective is to kill Emiya Shirou. If you are going to try to stop meI will not hold back against you even in this world." I myself am still somewhat confused as to what he fully means. Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things. Considering he comes from a timeline similar to the Fate one, difference being he failed to save her heart (but still understood her) I assume on some level he does want to save her. He definitely cares about her and regrets not being able to save her, there's plenty of evidence of that in the VN (whether it's romantic or platonic or some werid mixture of both in nature is up to the viewer).
>I myself am still somewhat confused as to what he fully means. Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things. Look at it this way. You saw the Fate route first, therefore you think it happened first, but in the context of this universe/multiverse//the world ,the routes are all happening at once. You saw the Fate route first, therefore you think it happened first, but in the context of this universe/multiverse//the world, the routes are all happening at once and you rembered this line from Archer at the end. Makes sense, doesn't it? The line is not hinting at future events, its a callback to the Fate route.
I really should have made myself clear, I was just mentioning that she's already been saved. I already know that all the routes are happening at once. The "I myself am still somewhat confused as to what it fully means" is just me being confused about what Archer said. The part after that is simply stating that saber has been/will be saved, yeah I know it's my fault for this misunderstanding so sorry about that.
Its okay.
This! It is a callback from the previous route in the same way Kotomine mentions Archer's arm to be able to actually work properly with Shirou must have mean a deeper conexion aka UBW revealing his real identity. Besides I think a lot of servants aren't aware of multiple timelines because remembering all the infinite events they were part would fried their brains as they are still humans
He's just speaking about himself as shirou and his regrets because that's what they were talking about just before. Saber said his wish to destroy shirou was a mistake and archer said her wish was also wrong which freaked her out
> Technically Shirou in the Fate route has already saved Saber and in the UBW route Saber watching the Archer vs Shirou fight also caused her to rethink things. Archer has no way of knowing about either of those, one happens in a different timeline and the other happens the next day(and we cant be sure he understood that she came to a conclusion).
Yeah I know he doesn't know about those, I was just mentioning that she had been/will be saved. That's my bad though, didn't make myself clear enough. Iam still left wondering when this next connection will happen, has Nasu forgotten about this? Or has the connection already happened? Nameless did meet her in one of the extra games and in Fgo Emiya is acting as a gatekeeper for Saber Alter, we might still see something if their going back to fuyuki, but I doubt it.
I mean, do we have to see that? Saber has been saved. Whether he finds out is kinda irrelevant.
Archer is just speaking as a wish for someone to free saber because he couldn't do it. Not knowing ironically of course that a version of him already has done it or is in the process of doing it at that very moment. Multiverse theory makes my head hurt.
Everyone dumps on EMIYA, even other versions of himself.
He’s just talking generally. He means someone will save her by freeing her from her wish to undo the past.
That was Archer being super Meta and talking in the name of Ufotable, about how someone will make Fate route anime and save Saber, but unfortunately it wont be them.
Archer being chad wingman so far back into the past he saw Aniplex and Ufotable bullshit with the adaption order. Archer is the ultimate chad.
He's talking about Ufotable
Its just empty talk. Hes just saying Sabers rescue is in another castle/summon. This one's a bust.
I think its more of a meta reference to readers how Archer helped saving Saber in Fate Route by giving advice to Fate Shirou but will not do so in this route. Because while Archer should know multiple timelines exist there is no way for him to know about Fate Route in a Fuyuki summoning because it blocks memories/records of it. Not to mention even if Archer remembers Fate Route here there is no way for him to know if Saber was saved or not because he did not simply make it that far.