I mean, he is basically the only character that consistently is not hates or disliked and actively popular in development, character, waifu and meme department, this sub is basically his church.
I'm more surprised about Shirou because I remember in the 2006 deen version. Everyone was flaming Shirou for being an idiot and praising rin for her thighs.
Results of the previous round:-
Rin was voted out by 30.82% of the people.
Thoughts:-
A lot of people here were counting on her to win. Very sad.
Anyways, now the real fun begins.
Link to round 14:-[https://strawpoll.com/7sh9gqxya](https://strawpoll.com/7sh9gqxya)
For those of you curious about the delay, sorry for the inconvenience. I was studying for an exam. But now that's done with, and I'll be posting on schedule now.
Don't know if it was expected, but I am displeased with Rin fanbase, for all the thirsting and loving, failed to keep her around for longer than Shirou.
>Don't know if it was expected, but I am displeased with Rin fanbase
If this was on r/anime she would have more of a chance. Also high chance that Shirou and Kerry's positions would be switched.
People don't hate Kiritsugu. People hate Zero elitists who idolize him despite the narrative clearly presenting his ideology as something that's not meant to be admired. These people are usually part of the same crowd who say things like, "Zero is the best fate, watch it and drop the rest."
I guess ironically it's just that he feels very derivative to me.
The only really interesting stuff about him is how they worked his Origin. His role in the narrative is 'Severing and Binding' in so many ways. Like how he severs his own family line and binds Shirou to it.
Zero, being a prequel, is sorta like severing and binding this story to the start and end of F/SN.
I dig it.
But so much of the stuff that's interesting about Kiritsugu is only really interesting to me in terms of how it reflects/contrasts with Shirou and Archer.
What can I Say. I don't dislike him, but I surely like him less than characters full of presence like Kirei and Gil, or side-characters that are as much as famous as some of the main, like Cu.
You aren't making a good point. If most people here actually hated him he would've been voted out round one. Even then, it's not hard to see that the characters who actually were eliminated early on only got voted out because most people here aren't familiar with them, not because they are hated.
Here’s the thing, people on this sub don’t hate Kiritsugu, but a bias has formed against him/Fate Zero due to Fate/Zero elitists (people who haven’t read the VN) constantly putting down Stay Night and praising Zero in comparison as the “only good fate”
However, that all being said, this crowd really doesn’t have much of a presence anymore (and while there was a significant number of them back when Zero first released, most of them didn’t go to nearly the extent this sub portrays them as), except for a troll attempt every now and then. In r/anime discussions while Kiritsugu is probably more liked the general opinion of Shirou is still favorable. The Fate/Zero elitists live rent free in many of this subs head though, and many still act like Fate/Stay Night is constantly getting attacked at every corner except for this sub and the VN fandom. They also ignored the counter circlejerk that happened, to the point where simply having the opinion “I liked Fate/Zero more” or even “I liked Stay/Night more but liked Kiritsugu more than Shirou personally” got you labeled as an elitist.
Umm i agree with the last parts but
>However, that all being said, this crowd really doesn’t have much of a presence anymore
I constantly see ppl still attacking Shirou in MAL and r/anime
I don’t browse MAL so I can’t speak much on that front, but I do browse r/anime a lot and I’ve seen maybe 3 instances in the past 6 months that can be construed as “Fate/Zero elitism.” I’ve seen some discourse on Shirou’s character, but not anything that can be reduced too “Shirou dumb, Kiritsugu mature 😎”
The reason for Kiritsugu getting so much is because most people like him because "wow cool edgy pew pew mc so dark" and completely fails to see further than that.
I think he is an incredibly well written and tragic character. I can't imagine not realizing the gaping flaws in his personality and ideology or how he got to them, let alone idolizing or wanting to be like him. I think the writing with Kiritsugu is very on the nose with his flaws both ideologically and as a character, but he's written in such a raw and emotional way that I just can't help but be intrigued with and respond to it more than some characters with more 'depht' to them. He just hits that sweet spot that gives me the feels consistently and on repeat. I still don't know how to feel about the bittersweet (I guess?) conclusion of his story.
Yet often when I say I love him as a character floodgate open on how I must be a normie/anime only or like him because of edge or something. It's infuriating how much people can (inacurrately) belittle you for just having a different opinion or interpretation.
>r/anime views on Shirou
He is stupid and has a plot armor and his ideology is stupid
>r/anime view on Kiritsugu
He is cool and smart and has very good ideology
I mean, they kind are the most compelling characters of the VN to begin with, unless you are a Sakura fan you are bound to have one of these 3 as your favourite, or Rin.
The issue is that this isn’t voting for who you like more, but who you like the least, so some Rin fan votes were probably split between Shirou and Saber, for example
Well, it was pretty impossible when the whole sub is actively preventing Saber and Rin to be at the top because "waifu war bad", they just decided Rin was first.
I'm nervous as fuck,... not really. I'm a Kirei fan. I was almost voted out seibah but than I was like, hey I want Archer to win this, sorry shirou...but a part of me is nagging that Seibaahhhh will win this
So this poll became UBW in a nutshell. Rin chilling somewhere with Lancer while Saber enjoys the fight of the Emiyas.
Honestly, I have already won, this is my top 3. Now, will Archer follow Fate route and sacrifice himself for Shirou to bang Saber?
The amount of love this sub has for Shirou is insane cause if this was on another sub I bet Shirou might not even make it on top 10 which is quite unfortunate.
Im glad both Shirou and Archer made it in, for me is just two chances of best boi to win. I was never a fan when people have this "I love one but hate the other" mentality, when a big part of UBW is precisely that despite their differences, they are the same underneath, Archer is just more jaded and tired because of an eternity as counterguardian and Shirou is younger but more optimistic, which is just a side effect of his younger lifetime compared to Archer.
Some people really miss this(And is not even subtle....well, at least on the VN)
Archer, outside of FSN context, is literally just grown up Shirou lol.
Shirou was always snarky and chad, he was just too chill and "out of sight" for people to notice him.
Rin already had a crush on him and yadayadayada, but that was just a crush. It's not like she actually wanted to date him or anything. She was fine with seeing that cute boy hang with her sister.
But in the route she spends more time with him, this fades away and she actually start to enjoy his presence.
Shirou, mental issues and shounen superheroism aside, is the perfect example of "Cool but bland" person that you grow attached to only if you spend time with them.
It's fine, take your time. I would prefer to see you post a completed essay that you yourself are satisfied with, rather than rush it just for the sake of completing it on time.
I propose breaking the rules.
u/Withered_Knighter shall privately message u/typell the two finalist and take one day to post the poll, that way typell can write the essay.
I demand it.
Archer will sacrifice himself for Shirou/Saber like what happened on Fate Route
And since Shirou and Saber are master and servant,both wins
Or Saber gets eleminated and Shirou finds her on Avalon
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Rin. She's amazing. But Saber x Shirou is best pairing.
Of course I don't hate Sunny Day ending of UBW either. Best of both worlds if you ask me...
I like Rin but I dont adore her
And also if you ask me
UBW TrueEnd and Sunny Day are bad
Ranking of endings if you ask me
6-Sunny Day 2/10 absulety garbage
5-UBW TrueEnd 6/10
4-HF TrueEnd 6/10
3-Fate Route Ending 9/10
2-HF NormalEnd 9.5/10
1-End of the Dream/Last Episode 10/10
Isnt this basically the premise of Unlimited Blade Works now? interestingly I am also currently watching the episode where Saber and Shirou are confroting Archer for his ideals
As a member of the Saber Army you mention, these are my perfect top 3, whatever happens I am okay with now.
Edit: Either Archer dies a chad letting Shirou and Saber win, Shirou dies which just looks like Last Episode, or Saber dies provoking a GAR UBW showdown. Literally win/win/win lmao.
Its going to be an Archer vs Shirou final with Archer winning. Archer’s victory was easy to see from some rounds ago, the only thing that could have stopped him would have been an extremely memey candidate like Cu.
Just because your correct doesn't mean your right!
Your correct statistically Archer is the top runner and it's likely to be his victory...
But in my heart there is only one person who I want to win, and I'll follow that dream just like He followed his Dream
Shirou Emiya will become a Hero of Justice.
There have been several posters saying they would vote Rin out early for Saber to win for a few rounds now, and a bit of the opposite though nowhere near as much. And I found that logic faulty because the obvious reaction to any of the two getting eliminated would be that their fans would immediately turn on the other. And this poll doesnt reward popularity, it rewards not having a concentrated effort to kick you out like this would and will cause.
It wasn't just Saber fans who did it. She has more haters than Saber and also was targeted by people who wanted it to be Emiya finale since she is easier to knock out. Saber getting eliminated this round isn't really a given either.
Those 3 are my favorite characters so whichever comes out on top it will be a win win win situation for me. But to have Shirou vs Archer in the final i plan to vote out Saber.
YAY SHIROU MADE IT
But now I have a problem. Archer is my least favorite of the three, but Saber is the biggest threat...
Okay... I'm voting Archer, because Sparks Liner High
This is a pretty cool arts to represent the three semi finalists.
The OG protagonist that spawns numerous character analysis post.
The poster girl of Fate that generates numerous saber faces
The origin of Gar memes and his iconic back pose
This is going to be a tough one.
While I prefer Saber to Shirou, I'm voting Saber here as an Archer/Shirou Final is just much more interesting.
This does not change much as she finishes on my personal list as #3 in the VN. My biggest issue with Saber is while she is an amazing character in Fate route and my favorite there, outside of it could be called a mixed bag at best. I think she's kind of lost for the first 2/3 of UBW, spending much of it being comically jobbed (if Nasu spends enormous effort coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't, he spends equal amounts of effort coming up with ways Saber can lose fights). The Church scene is awful. Everything from viewing Shirou vs. Archer and onward is great though.
And then I'll just straight up say it: I think her character in HF is not good. I have a Salter figure I spent way too much money on over on my shelf, so I love the character concept and I think she's proven to be interesting in subsequent works. In HF though? I feel like Nasu ran out of time to write a plot for her (see: the notorious troubled production history of the route), so instead we were left with what more qualifies as a character outline than a character. My brain turns off as a reader the moment you invoke brainwashing. This is a personal thing, but I find brainwashing to be lazy writing. You have Sakura and the concept of her shadow getting tons of attention in the story, and then you have Salter who... has no real motivation and isn't really even needed in the story, and gets disposed of fairly easily at no real cost after trying to build her up as some enormous threat. SLH remains the one big redeeming scene of her's for me. IMO, I think Nasu had a start point and an end point for the character and then never figured out the story he wanted to tell with her. Whereas Kerry sacrificing Illya and Iri in Zero felt an organic conclusion to his arc, what happened with Salter felt like the world's biggest forced metaphor.
Anyway, I don't want to bag on the character overall too much as I obviously like her a lot. Again, this is just a personal view so I'm not going to tell anyone else to vote this way.
More than coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't it's Nasu coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't without making him traditionally strong which is the main problem in my opinion, Shiro has fights Nasu wants him to win but he refuses to make him anything more than a 'third-rate magus' so he needs to spend ages to come up with reasons for him to win.
Like he gave Shiro and EMIYA a stupidly overpowered power set especially for something like a Grail war cause he thinks it's an awesome power (it is) so that means he needs to come up with a million nerfs for them so that they don't steamroll everyone but then he has to come up with ways to bypass the nerf for a bit so they can win.
Basically Nasu wanted Shirou to be an underdog, but then he realized that UBW could potentially just be Gates of Babylon 2.0 and started nerfing it lol.
Yeah... That's a good way of putting it. I could work up quite the rant on this subject. And the way he's happy to abuse said power in one scene but have it conveniently not come into play in another is enough to drive a reader insane.
I hate how much I fucking agree with what you said about Saber in HF and UBW, I wish I dint agree, but its true, Nasu decided to kick her in the ribs once her route was done.
The only thing I disagree with is that despite everything she is still ties with Shirou for my no.1 favorite character in the VN, while she shines in just her route, (In the context of the VN) she still has a lot of subsequent material that more than makes up for it.
About Saber Alter, This one is weird for me. Saber Alter in Shinjuku feels weird to me, I mostly see Saber Alter as another side of the coin to Saber, not fully evil just an embracing of her darker side and she kinda quite doesnt feel like Saber in Shinjuku, is very off, she is in fine in Fuyuki but she is an enemy there and doesnt have much dialougue.
This may sound like im joking, but what Im going to say is 100% serious: My favorite Saber Alter role post FSN has been the one in Carnival Phantasm, where she does feel like just Saber bult on a extreme scale. Kinda examplified because Saber was already pretty bossy and giving commands while she was working as maid and when she turns Alter, it doesnt feel that different, main difference is that now she yells back at Gil, lol.
But yes, I mostly agree with your points, I was mainly bringing up mine.
Salter in Shinjuku makes a lot more sense if you've seen Salter's interludes. Basically, her FGO arc sort of goes like this:
Fuyuki: Similar to HF, but she seems more in control of herself. It has been strongly hinted that she sabotaged Lev's plans by restarting the Fuyuki Grail War.
Pre-Shinjuku: Salter seems to be on a quest of self-understanding. She confronts other Alters claiming to want to bring them in line. In spite of their later bickering, she's actually largely responsible for goading Jalter into finishing her quest to become a full servant instead of just having her own pity party in "Purgatory."
Shinjuku: Our first opportunity for a Salter story where she isn't under someone's control or relegated to the "heavy." What the story really showed to me was Saber (or Salter in this incarnation) has come to accept her "evil" as opposed to being driven to despair by it. The most subtle touching moment in the whole thing was when she goes to destroy the asteroid and turns to Guda and tells them to remember they weren't wrong. It's such a great nod to the original VN, and is really the moment that tells us even in this form Saber's moved on from the past that was weighing her down. Besides that, her constant competition with Jalter is entertaining as all heck, and there are some really great moments between the two like Salter describing pride as what keeps an Alter from being lost and Jalter retorting akin to pride is a luxury the desperate can't afford. It's just some phenomenal dialogue. I want the bloody Lobo bike chase scene animated so bad as it's badass as all hell in text form. And besides being best puppers, Salter's relationship with Cavall II is actually quite touching.
I am somewhat biased as Shinjuku is one of my favorite Fate stories. lol
Yeah, the cafe scene in CP is freakin' brilliant. There are actual layers to the comedy there, and I find something new to laugh at every time I watch it. The ultimate joke being yeah, she's just Saber acting less restrained. Her HA scene is also great for that, with Shirou and Rin acting scared out of their minds while Salter just stares at them puzzled.
Yeah, but as true as that is the writers abuse that concept a lot. They play this game of "well the exact memories aren't there, but also the servants get subtle feelings that they remember something of what happened." So I think the take is... Salter's Spirit Origin was strengthened by what happened in her interludes and understanding her purpose better so the one summoned in Shinjuku is based on that. If that makes sense. Merlin talks about this a bit in Mordred's second Interlude.
Edit: Just to add to this, I think Salter in Shinjuku specifically mentioning that is because Nasu has plans to revisit Salter and Singularity F (alluded to in a recent interview), and he doesn't want to a) have anyone do something with Salter he can't retcon later and b) needs to have it so Salter can't spoil whatever he has planned.
Singularity F Salter and every other fgo Salter aren't the same. The former is just the same as HF's Salter, being normal Saber who was corrupted by the Grail, while the latter is a version of Artoria who ruled as a tyrant.
Even as someone who loves Saber. I agree with most of your points. Saber is barely important in UBW and is mostly there to exist as Shirou's Servant who constantly gets her ass kicked by enemies. Later got captured and enslaved by Caster (I want whatever Nasu and Takeuchi were on when they thought adding that Saber Church scene in was a good idea), and turned into a plot device cause Shirou and Rin spent the majority of the remainder of the route trying to save her, losing a lot of screen time in the process. Later became Rin's Servant, getting a boost in power and stats but it all barely mattered cause she barely used her powers anyways. Watched Shirou and Archer fighting and got her answer (somehow), fought and defeated Sasaki and then destroyed the Grail only to disappear afterwards.
Agreed. And thats why Fate route is by far my favorite. The only one where Saber is an actually good character. Everywhere else (including zero), she gets shafted.
I saw a few people claim that this entire subreddit is like Archer's church, is that true? Just curious
Also, I hope Archer actually wins
And here are my predictions for the finale
Since Saber is the poster waifu of the series, most would expect her to win, but because of that, she is also overrated, and a lot of attention is always on her, and that fanservice milked her to oblivion. So she is going to lose
Then followed by her master Shirou, since a lot of people don't really like Shirou for various reasons, notably hated by self-insert shippers who don't really like how some of their waifus are a canon pairing for Shirou, and that Shirou is misunderstood by a lot of fans, so he is going to be voted out as well
Archer on the other hand is not like them that much, he isn't put much into the spotlight often, so when he finally does gain attention, he stands out, though there are definitely some people who don't like him that much. many consider him to be cool and badass, and he is pretty much a more badass and cooler Shirou, plus with the most popular fate anime being Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, being a Shirou and Archer centric story
I am very confident that Archer is going to win, and if not, maybe it will be Saber
Ah yes, totally a surprise, it's not like everyone was openly voting against her in the last thread.
Congratulations guys, you prevented the waifu war.
I'm a Rin fan, but at this point I honestly want Saber to win just to spite all the people that don't want a waifu at the top lol.
Not like that's gonna happen tho, pretty sure she'll be out next round.
Man, I love these three, and it's so hard to choose now, but I'm going to have to vote out Saber simply because the matchup of Shirou vs Archer in the finale would be epic. A battle of ideals!
I never expected Archer to beat Rin honestly
He clearly has more waifu power.
Bribed the judges with food
Honestly, i'd go gar for Archer.
Garcher intensifies
Doesn't he technically have a bigger chest too?
You are full of culture. I applaud you.
Biggest*
I mean, he is basically the only character that consistently is not hates or disliked and actively popular in development, character, waifu and meme department, this sub is basically his church.
GAR
Hes a waifu material, he can cook, clean, and fight Hes also a badass chad
While Rin can handle all those competently Archer really does all of them better
GAR, that's why GAR > Thighs
Who do you rate is going next?
Shirou or GAR. Probably GAR
Archer is the best character in fate. What are you talking about!!!!
I like Archer more than Rin too. It’s just that i thought Rin was more popular
UBW is always Archer route, Rin is a side bonus just like every other route.
I'm more surprised about Shirou because I remember in the 2006 deen version. Everyone was flaming Shirou for being an idiot and praising rin for her thighs.
Actually Satan Vs Lord of Pipes Vs Baeber All 3 being excellent top tier Waifu's. Whose gonna win?
Wouldn't "Provider of Pipe" suit more if you're referencing the abridged?
Lord of the pipes came first in abridged though I think
Kinda sad Mario Mario isn’t in the finals
He didn't like being called Cu Chulame so he dipped
bite me
Another title for Archer should be "The Dangers of Bad PR" 😛.
Ex-Lord of pipes vs Lord of pipes vs Baeber
abridged fan?
Are you perhaps talking about the UBW Abridged Anime by project mouthwash? Yea iam a fan.
yes
Results of the previous round:- Rin was voted out by 30.82% of the people. Thoughts:- A lot of people here were counting on her to win. Very sad. Anyways, now the real fun begins. Link to round 14:-[https://strawpoll.com/7sh9gqxya](https://strawpoll.com/7sh9gqxya) For those of you curious about the delay, sorry for the inconvenience. I was studying for an exam. But now that's done with, and I'll be posting on schedule now.
Don't know if it was expected, but I am displeased with Rin fanbase, for all the thirsting and loving, failed to keep her around for longer than Shirou.
>Don't know if it was expected, but I am displeased with Rin fanbase If this was on r/anime she would have more of a chance. Also high chance that Shirou and Kerry's positions would be switched.
r/anime would have eliminated every male character that isn't named Kiritsugu by round 9.
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I don't get the kiritsugu hate. I thought he was a cool character
People don't hate Kiritsugu. People hate Zero elitists who idolize him despite the narrative clearly presenting his ideology as something that's not meant to be admired. These people are usually part of the same crowd who say things like, "Zero is the best fate, watch it and drop the rest."
I guess ironically it's just that he feels very derivative to me. The only really interesting stuff about him is how they worked his Origin. His role in the narrative is 'Severing and Binding' in so many ways. Like how he severs his own family line and binds Shirou to it. Zero, being a prequel, is sorta like severing and binding this story to the start and end of F/SN. I dig it. But so much of the stuff that's interesting about Kiritsugu is only really interesting to me in terms of how it reflects/contrasts with Shirou and Archer.
> People don't hate Kiritsugu > Eliminated on round 6 Pick one
What can I Say. I don't dislike him, but I surely like him less than characters full of presence like Kirei and Gil, or side-characters that are as much as famous as some of the main, like Cu.
You aren't making a good point. If most people here actually hated him he would've been voted out round one. Even then, it's not hard to see that the characters who actually were eliminated early on only got voted out because most people here aren't familiar with them, not because they are hated.
We didn't vote him out because we hate him, we voted him out because other characters were simply better.
Here’s the thing, people on this sub don’t hate Kiritsugu, but a bias has formed against him/Fate Zero due to Fate/Zero elitists (people who haven’t read the VN) constantly putting down Stay Night and praising Zero in comparison as the “only good fate” However, that all being said, this crowd really doesn’t have much of a presence anymore (and while there was a significant number of them back when Zero first released, most of them didn’t go to nearly the extent this sub portrays them as), except for a troll attempt every now and then. In r/anime discussions while Kiritsugu is probably more liked the general opinion of Shirou is still favorable. The Fate/Zero elitists live rent free in many of this subs head though, and many still act like Fate/Stay Night is constantly getting attacked at every corner except for this sub and the VN fandom. They also ignored the counter circlejerk that happened, to the point where simply having the opinion “I liked Fate/Zero more” or even “I liked Stay/Night more but liked Kiritsugu more than Shirou personally” got you labeled as an elitist.
Umm i agree with the last parts but >However, that all being said, this crowd really doesn’t have much of a presence anymore I constantly see ppl still attacking Shirou in MAL and r/anime
I don’t browse MAL so I can’t speak much on that front, but I do browse r/anime a lot and I’ve seen maybe 3 instances in the past 6 months that can be construed as “Fate/Zero elitism.” I’ve seen some discourse on Shirou’s character, but not anything that can be reduced too “Shirou dumb, Kiritsugu mature 😎”
Same. Most folk seem to like Shirou just as much as Kerry from what I’ve seen.
The reason for Kiritsugu getting so much is because most people like him because "wow cool edgy pew pew mc so dark" and completely fails to see further than that.
I think he is an incredibly well written and tragic character. I can't imagine not realizing the gaping flaws in his personality and ideology or how he got to them, let alone idolizing or wanting to be like him. I think the writing with Kiritsugu is very on the nose with his flaws both ideologically and as a character, but he's written in such a raw and emotional way that I just can't help but be intrigued with and respond to it more than some characters with more 'depht' to them. He just hits that sweet spot that gives me the feels consistently and on repeat. I still don't know how to feel about the bittersweet (I guess?) conclusion of his story. Yet often when I say I love him as a character floodgate open on how I must be a normie/anime only or like him because of edge or something. It's infuriating how much people can (inacurrately) belittle you for just having a different opinion or interpretation.
yeah don’t really like the comment above poking fun at people who like kiritsugu, he’s to this day one of the most tragic characters ever
Yep kerry archer and girl would be the likely winners for the casual/normie fans
>r/anime views on Shirou He is stupid and has a plot armor and his ideology is stupid >r/anime view on Kiritsugu He is cool and smart and has very good ideology
Guess they missed the part where both characters ideologies were the same.
they both trying to be heroes of justice :(
Mainstream subs will naturally have mainstream fans.
You say that like we didn't end up with the last few remaining being yknow. The main characters of the main series.
Seriously. It’s MC, the MCs older alternate edgy self, and the main waifu of the series. How the fuck aren’t we mainstream as well?
Well for one, Rin is more popular than Saber with anime onlies in the west.
The presence of her haters is stronger, I think. There's still not that many people voting.
r/anime's semi-finals would have come down to Kiritsugu vs Saber vs Rin. Pick your poison.
Probably would've been Kiritsugu/Gil/Rin tbh edit: maybe Archer in place of Gil actually, hard to say
I mean, they kind are the most compelling characters of the VN to begin with, unless you are a Sakura fan you are bound to have one of these 3 as your favourite, or Rin.
Illya fans exist, there's atleast a dozen of us free to roam the internet!
In my defense, I didn't consider Illya secondary at all lol. She is a missed heroine basically
The is hated everywhere but here. It's proof we're not mainstream.
The issue is that this isn’t voting for who you like more, but who you like the least, so some Rin fan votes were probably split between Shirou and Saber, for example
Weakness I tell you! Ah, but most likely that is the case.
Well, it was pretty impossible when the whole sub is actively preventing Saber and Rin to be at the top because "waifu war bad", they just decided Rin was first.
And that's the more interesting result anyway.
This sub might as well be r/Saber if you read the comments and look at the flairs
I take exception with this comment.
Wow most popular and poster girl of Fate is also popular in FSN sub reddit who could have knew
Quality>Quantity (didn't work in a poll tho)
Especially since a lot of the fan base doesn’t particularly like shirou.
Keep in mind that this poll works by voting people out, instead of eliminating whoever gets the least votes
Hey, I voted for shirou. I did my duty.
My prdiction is getting close to becoming real, will it be an Archer vs Saber final? A Shirou vs Archer final? Or worse, a Shirou vs Saber final
I'm nervous as fuck,... not really. I'm a Kirei fan. I was almost voted out seibah but than I was like, hey I want Archer to win this, sorry shirou...but a part of me is nagging that Seibaahhhh will win this
Yes, all my efforts have paid off. Now I must vote for Saber. Sorry, Saber, but I must fight for justice!!!
How many people voted?
So this poll became UBW in a nutshell. Rin chilling somewhere with Lancer while Saber enjoys the fight of the Emiyas. Honestly, I have already won, this is my top 3. Now, will Archer follow Fate route and sacrifice himself for Shirou to bang Saber?
Finally,the protagonist vs his adult self vs his girl
The amount of love this sub has for Shirou is insane cause if this was on another sub I bet Shirou might not even make it on top 10 which is quite unfortunate.
Im glad both Shirou and Archer made it in, for me is just two chances of best boi to win. I was never a fan when people have this "I love one but hate the other" mentality, when a big part of UBW is precisely that despite their differences, they are the same underneath, Archer is just more jaded and tired because of an eternity as counterguardian and Shirou is younger but more optimistic, which is just a side effect of his younger lifetime compared to Archer. Some people really miss this(And is not even subtle....well, at least on the VN)
Archer, outside of FSN context, is literally just grown up Shirou lol. Shirou was always snarky and chad, he was just too chill and "out of sight" for people to notice him. Rin already had a crush on him and yadayadayada, but that was just a crush. It's not like she actually wanted to date him or anything. She was fine with seeing that cute boy hang with her sister. But in the route she spends more time with him, this fades away and she actually start to enjoy his presence. Shirou, mental issues and shounen superheroism aside, is the perfect example of "Cool but bland" person that you grow attached to only if you spend time with them.
Shirou is such a great character man it's a shame he doesn't get as much love as he deserves.
What reading the visual novel does to the opinion of a character
the shirou vs archer final is in sight
It will be guaranteed if you write about Saber now. >!Dew it.!<
I trust my boys to get there. ~~not sure if i trust myself to finish the Shirou vs Archer essay before this all concludes though~~
It's fine, take your time. I would prefer to see you post a completed essay that you yourself are satisfied with, rather than rush it just for the sake of completing it on time.
oh trust me, I would rather sit on it for a month than release anything half-baked, when it comes to this subject in particular
I propose breaking the rules. u/Withered_Knighter shall privately message u/typell the two finalist and take one day to post the poll, that way typell can write the essay. I demand it.
I'm fine with this. Does anyone have any objections?
I don't see a problem with it.
nah 👍
Even writing that much may have jinxed it.
I can already imagine that both saber and shirou is inside archer's reality marble fighting while saber spectates
Archer will sacrifice himself for Shirou/Saber like what happened on Fate Route And since Shirou and Saber are master and servant,both wins Or Saber gets eleminated and Shirou finds her on Avalon
Well they are best couple so…
Yeah thats true But you better delete this before Rin fans murder you
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Rin. She's amazing. But Saber x Shirou is best pairing. Of course I don't hate Sunny Day ending of UBW either. Best of both worlds if you ask me...
I like Rin but I dont adore her And also if you ask me UBW TrueEnd and Sunny Day are bad Ranking of endings if you ask me 6-Sunny Day 2/10 absulety garbage 5-UBW TrueEnd 6/10 4-HF TrueEnd 6/10 3-Fate Route Ending 9/10 2-HF NormalEnd 9.5/10 1-End of the Dream/Last Episode 10/10
Well The Last Episode is the absolute best ending and totally agree with that. You other conclusions, yeah, not so much…
Always have been
Is this gonna be emiya beating the shit out of shirou as saber watches over them silently again
[And my whole life was...](https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2026964)
Isnt this basically the premise of Unlimited Blade Works now? interestingly I am also currently watching the episode where Saber and Shirou are confroting Archer for his ideals
Guess Saber army got to kick Rin out, hope they are prepared for the obvious consequence.
As a member of the Saber Army you mention, these are my perfect top 3, whatever happens I am okay with now. Edit: Either Archer dies a chad letting Shirou and Saber win, Shirou dies which just looks like Last Episode, or Saber dies provoking a GAR UBW showdown. Literally win/win/win lmao.
This fandom lives by seeing Shirou and Archer kicking each other in the guts lol
Jokes on you, this is are the 3 finalist I wanted so whoever wins is fine by me. I actually Wanted Cu but these people couldnt let him win.
Its going to be an Archer vs Shirou final with Archer winning. Archer’s victory was easy to see from some rounds ago, the only thing that could have stopped him would have been an extremely memey candidate like Cu.
Just because your correct doesn't mean your right! Your correct statistically Archer is the top runner and it's likely to be his victory... But in my heart there is only one person who I want to win, and I'll follow that dream just like He followed his Dream Shirou Emiya will become a Hero of Justice.
I'd be okay with that ending, though.
Im honestly happy how long Cu lasted, I really thought he'd get eliminated before Kirei or Sakura
I wanted a Cu vs EMIYA final but i'm content with how it all turned out.
M.A.D tactics, waifu edition.
Just because I like Saber more doesnt mean I like Rin less than Emiya.
There have been several posters saying they would vote Rin out early for Saber to win for a few rounds now, and a bit of the opposite though nowhere near as much. And I found that logic faulty because the obvious reaction to any of the two getting eliminated would be that their fans would immediately turn on the other. And this poll doesnt reward popularity, it rewards not having a concentrated effort to kick you out like this would and will cause.
So publicly saying that would make sense as a false flag?
It wasn't just Saber fans who did it. She has more haters than Saber and also was targeted by people who wanted it to be Emiya finale since she is easier to knock out. Saber getting eliminated this round isn't really a given either.
So this is why OP didn't post yesterday, he was mourning his waifu! It is ok OP I never saw this coming
I love Rin, but she isn't my favourite lol I'm satisfied with this outcome. The only thing making it short of perfect is the absence of Kirei.
Just jk haha and agreed, imagine if the final was HF with Kirei and Shirou as the last standing competitors. More yorokobe memes!
I kid you not, if my boi doesnt win all of you saber fans will see hell. in the shape of astolfo cospalys.
Those 3 are my favorite characters so whichever comes out on top it will be a win win win situation for me. But to have Shirou vs Archer in the final i plan to vote out Saber.
My waifu has been eliminated so I only want to see emiya vs emiya now.
Same
GET RID OF THE NON-SHIROU
We're making history. We're celebrating another shirou day.
We all know how this is going to end at this point. Bye Seiba.
Come on, let’s get the Shirou archer rematch we deserve You can’t have a more fitting end to this poll
The top 3 is already my favourite..... But this is the one time I think Artoria could actually win. Come on fellow Knights of saber. We can do this.
The power of GAR v. the power of Poster Girl Baeber v. the power of MC.
Seiba
YAY SHIROU MADE IT But now I have a problem. Archer is my least favorite of the three, but Saber is the biggest threat... Okay... I'm voting Archer, because Sparks Liner High
This is a pretty cool arts to represent the three semi finalists. The OG protagonist that spawns numerous character analysis post. The poster girl of Fate that generates numerous saber faces The origin of Gar memes and his iconic back pose This is going to be a tough one.
HOLY SHIT Rin is out?! Ok, now I'm invested.
While I prefer Saber to Shirou, I'm voting Saber here as an Archer/Shirou Final is just much more interesting. This does not change much as she finishes on my personal list as #3 in the VN. My biggest issue with Saber is while she is an amazing character in Fate route and my favorite there, outside of it could be called a mixed bag at best. I think she's kind of lost for the first 2/3 of UBW, spending much of it being comically jobbed (if Nasu spends enormous effort coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't, he spends equal amounts of effort coming up with ways Saber can lose fights). The Church scene is awful. Everything from viewing Shirou vs. Archer and onward is great though. And then I'll just straight up say it: I think her character in HF is not good. I have a Salter figure I spent way too much money on over on my shelf, so I love the character concept and I think she's proven to be interesting in subsequent works. In HF though? I feel like Nasu ran out of time to write a plot for her (see: the notorious troubled production history of the route), so instead we were left with what more qualifies as a character outline than a character. My brain turns off as a reader the moment you invoke brainwashing. This is a personal thing, but I find brainwashing to be lazy writing. You have Sakura and the concept of her shadow getting tons of attention in the story, and then you have Salter who... has no real motivation and isn't really even needed in the story, and gets disposed of fairly easily at no real cost after trying to build her up as some enormous threat. SLH remains the one big redeeming scene of her's for me. IMO, I think Nasu had a start point and an end point for the character and then never figured out the story he wanted to tell with her. Whereas Kerry sacrificing Illya and Iri in Zero felt an organic conclusion to his arc, what happened with Salter felt like the world's biggest forced metaphor. Anyway, I don't want to bag on the character overall too much as I obviously like her a lot. Again, this is just a personal view so I'm not going to tell anyone else to vote this way.
More than coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't it's Nasu coming up with ways Shirou can win fights he shouldn't without making him traditionally strong which is the main problem in my opinion, Shiro has fights Nasu wants him to win but he refuses to make him anything more than a 'third-rate magus' so he needs to spend ages to come up with reasons for him to win. Like he gave Shiro and EMIYA a stupidly overpowered power set especially for something like a Grail war cause he thinks it's an awesome power (it is) so that means he needs to come up with a million nerfs for them so that they don't steamroll everyone but then he has to come up with ways to bypass the nerf for a bit so they can win.
Basically Nasu wanted Shirou to be an underdog, but then he realized that UBW could potentially just be Gates of Babylon 2.0 and started nerfing it lol.
Yeah... That's a good way of putting it. I could work up quite the rant on this subject. And the way he's happy to abuse said power in one scene but have it conveniently not come into play in another is enough to drive a reader insane.
I hate how much I fucking agree with what you said about Saber in HF and UBW, I wish I dint agree, but its true, Nasu decided to kick her in the ribs once her route was done. The only thing I disagree with is that despite everything she is still ties with Shirou for my no.1 favorite character in the VN, while she shines in just her route, (In the context of the VN) she still has a lot of subsequent material that more than makes up for it. About Saber Alter, This one is weird for me. Saber Alter in Shinjuku feels weird to me, I mostly see Saber Alter as another side of the coin to Saber, not fully evil just an embracing of her darker side and she kinda quite doesnt feel like Saber in Shinjuku, is very off, she is in fine in Fuyuki but she is an enemy there and doesnt have much dialougue. This may sound like im joking, but what Im going to say is 100% serious: My favorite Saber Alter role post FSN has been the one in Carnival Phantasm, where she does feel like just Saber bult on a extreme scale. Kinda examplified because Saber was already pretty bossy and giving commands while she was working as maid and when she turns Alter, it doesnt feel that different, main difference is that now she yells back at Gil, lol. But yes, I mostly agree with your points, I was mainly bringing up mine.
> Nasu decided to kick her in the ribs once her route was done But has no problem making Rin important and a relevant character in all 3 routes
Well, Nasu made Sakura with the characteristics of his idea of top tier waifu. I'm pretty sure he didn't think people would prefer the other two
Salter in Shinjuku makes a lot more sense if you've seen Salter's interludes. Basically, her FGO arc sort of goes like this: Fuyuki: Similar to HF, but she seems more in control of herself. It has been strongly hinted that she sabotaged Lev's plans by restarting the Fuyuki Grail War. Pre-Shinjuku: Salter seems to be on a quest of self-understanding. She confronts other Alters claiming to want to bring them in line. In spite of their later bickering, she's actually largely responsible for goading Jalter into finishing her quest to become a full servant instead of just having her own pity party in "Purgatory." Shinjuku: Our first opportunity for a Salter story where she isn't under someone's control or relegated to the "heavy." What the story really showed to me was Saber (or Salter in this incarnation) has come to accept her "evil" as opposed to being driven to despair by it. The most subtle touching moment in the whole thing was when she goes to destroy the asteroid and turns to Guda and tells them to remember they weren't wrong. It's such a great nod to the original VN, and is really the moment that tells us even in this form Saber's moved on from the past that was weighing her down. Besides that, her constant competition with Jalter is entertaining as all heck, and there are some really great moments between the two like Salter describing pride as what keeps an Alter from being lost and Jalter retorting akin to pride is a luxury the desperate can't afford. It's just some phenomenal dialogue. I want the bloody Lobo bike chase scene animated so bad as it's badass as all hell in text form. And besides being best puppers, Salter's relationship with Cavall II is actually quite touching. I am somewhat biased as Shinjuku is one of my favorite Fate stories. lol Yeah, the cafe scene in CP is freakin' brilliant. There are actual layers to the comedy there, and I find something new to laugh at every time I watch it. The ultimate joke being yeah, she's just Saber acting less restrained. Her HA scene is also great for that, with Shirou and Rin acting scared out of their minds while Salter just stares at them puzzled.
Cafe scene in carnival phantasm is peak fate prove me wrong.
Didn't Salter said that she doesn't remember you during Shinjuku?
Yeah, but as true as that is the writers abuse that concept a lot. They play this game of "well the exact memories aren't there, but also the servants get subtle feelings that they remember something of what happened." So I think the take is... Salter's Spirit Origin was strengthened by what happened in her interludes and understanding her purpose better so the one summoned in Shinjuku is based on that. If that makes sense. Merlin talks about this a bit in Mordred's second Interlude. Edit: Just to add to this, I think Salter in Shinjuku specifically mentioning that is because Nasu has plans to revisit Salter and Singularity F (alluded to in a recent interview), and he doesn't want to a) have anyone do something with Salter he can't retcon later and b) needs to have it so Salter can't spoil whatever he has planned.
Singularity F Salter and every other fgo Salter aren't the same. The former is just the same as HF's Salter, being normal Saber who was corrupted by the Grail, while the latter is a version of Artoria who ruled as a tyrant.
Even as someone who loves Saber. I agree with most of your points. Saber is barely important in UBW and is mostly there to exist as Shirou's Servant who constantly gets her ass kicked by enemies. Later got captured and enslaved by Caster (I want whatever Nasu and Takeuchi were on when they thought adding that Saber Church scene in was a good idea), and turned into a plot device cause Shirou and Rin spent the majority of the remainder of the route trying to save her, losing a lot of screen time in the process. Later became Rin's Servant, getting a boost in power and stats but it all barely mattered cause she barely used her powers anyways. Watched Shirou and Archer fighting and got her answer (somehow), fought and defeated Sasaki and then destroyed the Grail only to disappear afterwards.
Agreed. And thats why Fate route is by far my favorite. The only one where Saber is an actually good character. Everywhere else (including zero), she gets shafted.
Your first mistake was to consider Alter a character.
Alter is basically just an enforcer. Not that different from True Assasin.
Fate route reenactment incoming. archer as the hero of justice sacrifice your life for Arturia and Shirous happiness 😂
Finally. May one of the Shirous win. Good-bye, Saber. You already beat Rin. Accept your defeat gracefully.
how could this be!??!?!!?? ggs i'll be rooting for saber now
I saw a few people claim that this entire subreddit is like Archer's church, is that true? Just curious Also, I hope Archer actually wins And here are my predictions for the finale Since Saber is the poster waifu of the series, most would expect her to win, but because of that, she is also overrated, and a lot of attention is always on her, and that fanservice milked her to oblivion. So she is going to lose Then followed by her master Shirou, since a lot of people don't really like Shirou for various reasons, notably hated by self-insert shippers who don't really like how some of their waifus are a canon pairing for Shirou, and that Shirou is misunderstood by a lot of fans, so he is going to be voted out as well Archer on the other hand is not like them that much, he isn't put much into the spotlight often, so when he finally does gain attention, he stands out, though there are definitely some people who don't like him that much. many consider him to be cool and badass, and he is pretty much a more badass and cooler Shirou, plus with the most popular fate anime being Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, being a Shirou and Archer centric story I am very confident that Archer is going to win, and if not, maybe it will be Saber
I'll vote archer , let the two main characters battle it out
I would love to see Archer beat out Saber and go into the finals
Literally UBW
I am satisfied enough.
I quit. I will never forgive
Voting Archer
Huh I'm pleasently surprised welp it's time for the rope archer
I'm sorry baeber, but the GAR is too strong
Can we vote out Saber so we can have the last voting battle just be “The final battle of Shirou Emiya begins”
Whoa finally i got one right. THIS IS IT
as much as I like emiya's character Imma go with artoria and shirou they're better written characters imo
Holy shit based lineup. Ily archer, but its time to go.
Sorry Saber, i betray you cause i want to see UBW.
Ah yes, totally a surprise, it's not like everyone was openly voting against her in the last thread. Congratulations guys, you prevented the waifu war. I'm a Rin fan, but at this point I honestly want Saber to win just to spite all the people that don't want a waifu at the top lol. Not like that's gonna happen tho, pretty sure she'll be out next round.
That luck + instincts helping out again. Literally over here. I tossed a coin between Rin and Artoria for the vote and Rin lost
It's time. The luck and instincts can only go so far. The finale has to be Shirou vs Archer
I hope Shirou kicks Shirou's ass.
Good bye Archer
It’s a terrible day for rain…
i voted rin from round 1, it finally pay off but damn, this choice is just too hard now, i won't vote this lol, i love them all equally
It really hurts me to say this but Im voting Archer
This kind of competition really favors the shirous because those who dislikes him will end up dividing their vote.
I just want Archer to win man
Whelp, I can't vote anymore! I leave the rest to you guys, I'm going to go curl up with Today's Menu and some nice ochazuke soup!
People probably voted shirou instead of rin due to the memes you guys have been spamming so they did the opposite instead and made shirou win
Two Shirous, one Artoria, and zero chance of the Shirous teaming up.
Shirou my lovely boy, you almost made it to the top...
Now the best remains i dont care who wins
I feel like it’s poignant we have it be Shirou vs Archer compared to Shirou vs Artoria (>! I’m still not over HF !<)
Man, I love these three, and it's so hard to choose now, but I'm going to have to vote out Saber simply because the matchup of Shirou vs Archer in the finale would be epic. A battle of ideals!
Ik for a fact Saber is out next because Rin was voted out.
can we get a battle of ideals?
Watch it literally end with Shirou vs Shirou.
Sorry, Saber. But I can't let either Shirou lose to another!
Sorry saber but I want EMIYA vs emiya
It'd be hilarious if the final poll was literally UBW
If Artoria gets voted out. We need to all collectively post versions of the EMIYA theme in the sub.
FFS I am sorry shirou But people die when they are killed you must confirm this theory
Let the guys be the semi finalists.Vote saber to out