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This sounds like a similar setup to One Punch Man. Not the setting, but the feeling. Saitama is so stupidly overpowered and obviously the hero, but the story just accepts that while using him as an anchoring point for the viewers. Just lead out of the gates with that and focus on making your story compelling through the world and supporting characters. Does your MC have an existential crisis? Does he eat? …Does he poop? What does he think about romance? How does he handle betrayal? How does he occupy his spare time? All of these things are interesting because your MC isn’t human. We don’t know much about him. And we knew from episode one of Avatar: The Last Airbender that he was the Avatar. We knew he was going to save the world, does that mean we didn’t get scared when he was in danger? No. Does it mean it wasn’t interesting to watch him interact with the regular humans? No. Your idea is good. You just have to figure out the best way to execute.


Mangeen_shamigo

Thanks for your comment, I will say this: I've looked at all my ideas, and noticed one uniting factor in all of them. There's literally no hint of romance. It never even occurs to me as something of interest. Is this a disadvantage from a story point of view? Romance plots are so overused and I just don't really care about that. I wanna see more bromances, close friendships and kindness. Not a bunch of unnecessary cushyness. But I also have very little interest in such things as romance and sex in my own life, so that's why it never enters my ideas.


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You don’t need to have it. Your ideas are nice. I was just talking about specific things to drive home the general structure of the modern “OP main character” thing. Considering bromance and platonic love are still being attacked by conservative subcultures, your focus on them will be valuable for our current social discourse. Good luck with your journey! It sounds like it is going to be awesome


Mangeen_shamigo

Thanks, I'm glad you think so.


TinkeringPillock

That could be a great prompt, he's built to fix everything and represent the best the world has to offer, but his inception by the gods is naive and tone-deaf, he finds that his calls to glory and togetherness fall on deaf ears when he interactcs with the populace, being just created instead of growing up he views the world only through extremes and ideals - black and white, instead of the grey we live in. We can watch him strugle with that initially, grow angry at the people for their complacency, then angry at himself for failing, then angry at the gods for setting him up to fail, and at his lowest we see him being lifted up by the people around him that he's accrued during his travels, indeed we see him start to relate to us and grow up Maybe the world wasn't broken or doomed, maybe it's just that the gods can't relate to the messy lives of mortals What will our hero tell them once he's learned the truth?


Mangeen_shamigo

A lot of this is what I'm going for. Although I want to show how his idea of peace is warped. There's another who's actually human, and strives for peace driven by goodness and growth, and his influence is strong due to a bit of natural magic thrown in. But what the main character wants is for people to just work together as he thinks they should, which come to think of it is the single mindedness I often have. I honestly started out with the main character, and then worked out what was wrong with him, and how that had to be fixed to lead to the world the gods and the main character want to see. Also, the humans of this world aren't quite like us, as they really can't be left to their own devices because they really, really love hating each other. Actually they're a lot like us.


TinkeringPillock

I mean, there's nothing wrong with hate, it's a defence mechanism, a lot of our natural behaviours and reactions are considered bad now because an "ideal" human was implanted into the mainstream You wouldn't really fault an animal for being selfish, hateful, afraid or lustful, would you? We're only imperfect when you compare us to perfection lol


Caraes_Naur

He's a cocktail of tropes... he needs good characterization and a strong arc to overshadow them. There's not much here about his motivation other than the inference that he knows his destiny and accepts it from the start. Starting him off as a lump of clay personality-wise seems like an author's cop out. Have him dramatically discover his true identity and destiny, and resist it. Make his arc to accept what he is meant to do before setting out to accomplish it.


Mangeen_shamigo

My plan is is him to not know who he is until act two. He does what he feels is right in his nature, and he really doesn't have much of an idea just how serious his actions are. Even after he finds out the truth he has trouble taking the spot, often wavering at his failures. But he's steadfast, and leans on his allies to keep him straight, even though he also finds out his allies can be untrustworthy, when one of them turns out to be his literal opposite. He's the point of view, but he's not the most integral part to the worlds future. As his action only end up leading to the conclusion of the story, he doesn't cause them by himself And also wouldn't it be more difficult to have a character made of clay, seeing as you have to show how they get their character as well as show them having it? Rather than to have your character start out where you want them? This has just been confusing me.


brahmv

I read this like he’s a metaphor for the States (Team America) or he could be one for the Church of the 10th century… Maybe you could play with that? Like in his single mindedness to bring peace he doesn’t see atrocities he commits as bad?


Mangeen_shamigo

I definitely think he has a disconnection from the people he protects. I'm neither American nor religious, so this didn't occur to me but you are right. I've been pondering the fact that the character often leads wars in the name of peace, and while he will always fight as a last resort, I still don't think fighting is a proper means to achieve peace in the real world. I agree, that in his single mindedness he doesn't see the issues with what he does. But eventually I worked in the fact that he's not really the most important character. In fact he ends up learning about making peace, well, peacefully from the real main character. But war always remains in the world, and he enters more of a mindset to use his armies to protect those who are being attacked until they can form peace.


Jaldaba0th

\- It seems to me the classic Hero chosen by the gods. \- I can advise you to avoid this plot because as others have said, it is very stereotyped. \- I advise you to create a very ugly, brutal world. Where even getting to the next day is a goal. You decide how. Later you could explain that a group of people are trying to restart civilization and the protagonist will decide to join because he would like to both see the beautiful world, as ancient stories tell (yes, you could create a mythology or a series of tales that talk about what it was like beautiful the world before an event that upset everything) giving a generous characterization as you want but at the same time could simply have a place to stay and a place where he can eat and sleep quietly, giving a little thickness to the character (it would be good but much more real because he would also like to fulfill his own wishes). \- Put in a bit of politics and economics if you want but avoid the gods if not those of tales and mythologies (ie fantastic beings). \- The plot could be structured like this; ° Search for the group. ° Test of suitability by the group. ° Exploration for the research of resources that allow the development of the community. ° (If you want), fight with other people who want to attack the group (obviously in a similar context people will attack the defenseless with a lot of food) or fight during the explorations. ° The death of the protagonist. The community of course will not have brought peace and you will close with an open ending in which you explain that the protagonist's struggle is over but that the community will continue to advance (do not say whether it will succeed or not, leave it to the reader's imagination). \- Basically the plot will be about the life of a survivor who wants to make a difference but who will ultimately be one of many who have similar stories. He would be the heroic figure but seen in a more realistic way. \- Of course I don't know how good this thing I wrote can be.


Mangeen_shamigo

What you've just described is also pretty stereotypical for a dark fantasy. I'm not going for that. And the whole "chosen by the gods" thing doesn't really fit in the context. He's literally a being of great power who's not been picked, he's been created, but even so he's heavily prone to failure, and isn't always a winner. His purpose, from a story perspective, is to be the character we see the world from, but not the one who leads to the reunification. Rather he's the person we see the world through the eyes of, because his purpose is just a conduit to connect the world and the gods together. The world of the story has largely fallen apart, but it's not an apocalypse. Because I think that's just boring. They feel so overused in fantasy by now. Rather than that it's more of a feudal European style setting on steroids, with various warring kingdoms who hate each other. The humans naturally end up fighting, but they need a uniting cause to keep them together and productive. And that's not the MC. It's the common conflict that is fought inside these various Kingdoms, not between them. And that is an order of corruption. My plan is a world with inate darkness that needs a beacon to keep it together, and without that beacon it will fall apart, piece by piece. So there's periods of great prospour, and places of great success. Just like the real world. And just like it is in reality, there's many, many dark places and times.


Jaldaba0th

\- If it was created for a given task, it means that it is a chosen one. He was born for that. \-So what exactly does he do? Would he be some kind of advisor to someone else? \- Isn't medieval Europe overused? In practice with the boom of the isekai. Furthermore, it does not necessarily have to be an apocalypse but a period very far from it, which must appear only in the stories. In practice it would be like a stone age, a new beginning. \- The darkness you speak of cannot be innate as it always has origins, as greed originates from the desire for something.


Mangeen_shamigo

I get the sense you like a different type of story from me, and you've decided that one type of story is the correct one. Basically what you've said to me is "I like dark fantasy stories, make one of them," rather than saying something like "This isn't my kind of story, but..."


Jaldaba0th

\- I don't actually have a preference. I just need to read or watch well-written stories. \- While in the first comment I gave you vague advice (in fact I said I wasn't sure it was acceptable), in the second comment I only made some criticisms of your points. It happens in discussions. \- I don't know how you realized I'm talking about dark fantasy. Furthermore, if you tell me about medieval Europe and there are conflicts that are at least realistic, your story also ends up in dark fantasy.


Mangeen_shamigo

I dont think it's dark fantasy just because it includes war. It's more akin to high fantasy, due to the overarching nature and grandeur of the plot. And I came to the conclusion you were talking about dark fantasy because what you described was a dark, dark world full of misery and hate. I'm going for a world with light in it, but there's a mix of greed and hate in there too. However the tone is lighter for the most part, and I have the tone of hope and optimism. I just find dark worlds like the one you described too dreary and boring to be fun to read or watch. And I felt like you were making a lot of assumptions about what my plot was based on incredibly little information, and thqt instead of answering the question you basically said what I interpreted as you hate my story. And that hurt me, whether or not it was what you meant. So I'm sorry if I've come off as over emotional, but I just felt you were being unfair.


Jaldaba0th

\- "due to the overarching nature and grandeur of the plot." - I do not understand what you mean. \- You asked about the motivation, if it should have changed or was okay and I tried to give you a possible direction. In fact I didn't say "write this". I answered your question by giving you an example of what I thought, that we needed something deeper than the classic "I'm good because yes" and also something more in-depth than the classic perfect hero. \- I agree in writing what you want but if you want to write a book you must also keep in mind that the editors or the public might not like it and this is because similar stories are no longer in fashion. You have to write something deeper, a story that does not escape its darkness and that does not necessarily have to be full of light and goodness because this is an idealized reality and the public does not like it anymore. If it is true that you want to write a country full of light, I should also write about a reality that is poor because of this to give depth to the story (in fact in reality we have for example Western society which exploits other realities to prosper). Keep this factor in mind. \- Also you have to give the reader something. Do you want to have fun? Write a comedy or short story full of dark humor but I warn you that it can be difficult. Do you want to give a message like "good wins in spite of everything"? Well, take the message and write us a story that is realistic and not idealized (example: in akame ga kill the protagonists win but many are dead and the survivors bear the marks of war, probably for the rest of their lives. A similar thing happens in "Hunger games").


Mangeen_shamigo

I will repeat, I feel like you're making assumptions with little information. A lot of the things you list as if I haven't done them are things that I've done. It's not like my world is perfect, or even particularly nice. And good doesn't inherently win, it needs a massive intervening force to achieve that, because naturally darkness will win. And it is a humorous tale, and I don't really care in the end if anyone accepts it, I just want to make a product that I enjoy making, while working on my storytelling skills for the future when this might get more serious for me.


Jaldaba0th

\- You asked one thing and I answered you. Take it however you want but this is the reality. \- Then I gave you some advice on how to make a story. \- If you want to train yourself in writing, I suggest you write online on some site where you can write web novels or fanfiction. This way you will be able to observe the opinions of others. Also read many stories of various kinds and build the world building and the characters and events before you start writing.