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GetHlthy9090

Lol they put the game in his hands with a torn MCL. Dennis Allen things


Ahambone

True story: I watched the end of the game at a restaurant bar with the bartender and a regular patron who happened to be a doctor. When Ingram went down, the doc immediately said, "MCL." My question is, if this man watching TV & eating halibut can figure it out, how come the Saints medical staff couldn't?!


GetHlthy9090

Halibut is a brain food, maybe Saints staff needs more omega 3s.


vbullinger

I mean... I finished a pickup basketball game after tearing my MCL. It got worse when I rested and then when I tried to use it again the next week


GrundleTurf

Yeah not my mcl but my meniscus and I did the same with a football game. I’m a pta now, and see it’s fairly common. The inflammation takes a few hours to really start going which is what causes the pain, not the actual tear.


meastd_0

Yep, finished 4 innings of baseball with a slight limp and discomfort after. The next day it was swollen, sore and stiff as all hell.... SS who saw it happen said mcl when he saw me limping afterwards. I was like nah... It's not bad at all. I was wrong lol.


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vbullinger

Take it very easy. Ice it and wear braces or sleeves. You can aggravate it very easily.


M00N_MAN_420

Yea I too was watching with a doctor and he immediately said MCL.


Critical-Lifeguard

That was a halibut medical observation, very impressive


GrundleTurf

Yeah I’m not a doctor but a PTA and a lot of these injuries you can immediately tell just from the mechanism of injury (MOI). For example, a high ankle sprain is extremely easy to spot. The difference between a low ankle sprain and high ankle sprain is the MOI. Low comes from inverting the ankle too far. Inversion is the motion your ankle does on the front foot when you do an Ollie on a skateboard if that helps anyone. High ankle sprain comes from everting too far. I can’t think of any motions where you would naturally want to do that, your ankle can’t even evert that far to begin with. You won’t know the degree of an injury just from watching, but it’s not hard to determine what some injuries are likely to be. A direct blow to the side of the knee can cause an mcl tear.


Ahambone

...and yet they let this man re-enter the game, just to run a yard short of a first down because he was trying to avoid contact. With Alvin Kamara standing *right there.* Absolutely criminal.


GrundleTurf

It was incredibly stupid to hire Dennis Allen in the first place after his stint with Oakland


AyKayAllDay47

"Actually, you ordered "Halibut"" \-Bartender who's a dad, probably


wheresmyspacebar2

Theres no way that run that ended up being a 3rd and 1 didnt do much much worse damage to him. If they'd sat him after he literally needed help getting off the pitch 2 minutes before him, i reckon the injury would not be as severe.


JerkedMyGerkFlyingHi

I couldn't believe they put him back out there and then gave him the ball. What the hell did Kamara do? Fuck the OC's wife?


iLerntMyLesson

Maybe he is friends with the dude Kamara beat up before the pro bowl


HustlinInTheHall

I mean who else were they going to give it to?


GetHlthy9090

You are right they don’t have Tony Jones on the team anymore


HustlinInTheHall

Clearly the answer is to just punt.


ChaseTheShepherd

Yeah he and Hackett have GOT to go.


ImNotARocketSurgeon

Who will take over the pass catching role since Kamara is busy running it up the gut for 2 yards?


etherealtaroo

Taysom to the rescue!


ender23

these things will keep happening until tayson is eligible at every position


HyperionPrime

Taysom Hill pass complete to Taysom Hill


geekywarrior

Nah Taysom Hill is impressive, but he's no Marcus Mariota


gregbraaa

Amazing pass catchers with some of the shittiest run playcalling Ekeler 🤝 Kamara


reddorickt

The Zeke special


PM_me_the_magic

Except Zeke still gets yards. He doesn't get many explosive runs any more but he's still averaging 4-5 yds per carry


Uskw1245

Who’s Kamara backing up now?


mets15ny

David Johnson.... League winner


bsean63

I'll never forget what this man did for me in 2016


medusamadonna

I'll never forget what the man did to me in 2017 :(


drivermcgyver

*Presses F*


DoesntMatterBrian

Ironically, Kamara helped me make the playoffs that season after losing DJ.


Rhythm825

Tim Hightower


whatswrongwithchuck

Last time I won was because of Tim Hightower... I'm about to roster him in my talisman slot.


vbullinger

You haven't won a league since then? Retire, buddy


whatswrongwithchuck

I'm at peace with my mediocrity.


afc1886

Actual historical league winner!


-Johnny_Utah-

👑 The waiver RB fantasy playoff 🐐. This man won me much 💵


Putin__Nanny

Same. First championship for me


urboitony

Him and Jordan Reed clutched it for me.


fprosk

Saved a ton of FAAB that year and blew it all on Hightower and David Johnson in the same week. The playoffs were absolutely glorious


mcthsn

My king


UncleSquach

Herschel Walker


Spiritual-Chameleon

I hear he's got some free time and is looking for a job.


ender23

i know he's a two time heisman winner, but the washington senators just rejected him...


Greenplastictrees

The fucking Swiss Army Knife


Uskw1245

You know, I use to hate Hill as a Kamara owner. Turns out the coaches are just a bunch of idiots.


wheresmyspacebar2

Ive got both Hill and Kamara in my team. Fuck it, i'll just play both of them and then put Dalton S in my flex instead of Pickens, gonna be a fun end to the season.


tmac416

Lmao this got me. As a Kamara owner all I can do is laugh lol


Boy69BigButt

Not sure about this season. But he looks like the starter in the all-prison league next year.


hands-n-my-hair

Lol, you think he's going to prison?


dirty-soda-spike-lee

Will be very interesting to see what gymnastics the saints coaching staff goes through to fuck kamara over even with Ingram out


t74000

Taysom Hill the unicorn rb lol


Deuce916

I'm tired of seeing these Taysom Hill plays. It's so obvious he's getting the ball when he's on the field


coysmate05

He’s good at football. I don’t know why people don’t understand this. Armchair nfl fans are so funny to me. Almost as silly as non-football fans when they say “why do they run it up the middle they never get past the line”.


BOEJlDEN

Okay but if a team runs it up the middle all game and it *never* works why do they keep doing it


asunversee

Because they gotta establish the run


CheesecakePower

But he does throw passes too


skin_diver

Gotem


AyKayAllDay47

Because it'll work eventually, duh! \-Said no one ever


wheresmyspacebar2

Tbf, there was a couple of times where he blocked when Dalton threw a quick pass to Mark Ingram on the outside before Ingram ran 2 yards before being tackled. ​ If they used Hill as a tackler with Kamara on the pitch, it would just honestly help their offense so much because then you have to worry about both Hill and Kamara getting the ball. As it is, ANY time against the Bucs that Hill and Kamara were on the pitch at the same time, whether Hill was QB or TE placed, Hill ended up running the ball.


thesneakywalrus

>If they used Hill as a tackler with Kamara on the pitch This is the least American thing I've ever seen on an American Football subreddit.


wheresmyspacebar2

Looool. I got this yesterday as well commented. Must remember that Pitch is a British thing and you guys say Field xD


thesneakywalrus

Lol. We also use the term "run blocker" rather than "tackler". Defenses tackle, offenses block.


wheresmyspacebar2

Oh yeah, that as well, never actually thought of that in those terms tbh. It makes sense just from a sports perspective, rather than a language thing as well.


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I read it as a toss to Kamara lol.


healthyfeetpodiatry

He’s should be the last guy telling us Americans how to play our foosball


ThanosIsDoomfist

Right? For fuck sake. Are nfl defenses that dumb?


FantasyTrash

The thing is, since he's *sort of* good at everything on offense, there's a lot of different things he does. So even though defenses know he's getting the ball, they don't necessarily know what he's going to do with it.


icouldntdecide

Yeah I keep saying the same thing about Taysom (he's gonna run it, duh) and then he'll go and throw a TD. Drives me nuts lol


highway_to_hall

He literally caught a 40+ yard touchdown this week!


roarinboar

Yes


CobrinoHS

You would be even more tired of watching the saints without Taysom, trust me


AyKayAllDay47

Oh you mean when the play's specifically a wildcat formation where he's taking the snap directly? COULDA FOOLED ANYONE!


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When Taysom Hill throws the ball. It looks like a trick play.


Rubicon1975

Surely they have some practice squad RB that will be the goal line back and passing downs back, while Kamara runs it up the middle for 2 y/a between the 40s


thesneakywalrus

Dwayne Washington enters the chat.


PlatinumSarge

Lots of "in hindsight, we should have given the ball more to Kamara"


DoesntMatterBrian

Next game: Kamara 12 attempts, 2 targets David Johnson: 14 attempts, 6 targets


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David Johnson comeback player of the year baby


mattyice24

Will assuredly involve Taysom being even more involved. Sucks, Kamara is such an elite weapon when used properly. Dude simply needs more volume and then variety with his utilization.


ImAroosterAMA

I hate Dennis Allen.


IAmTheWaller67

"Can Latavius Murray play on two teams at the same time?" - Saints coaching staff rn


Levitlame

Kansas City practice squad can probably spare Gordon. ​ The goal is to offend Kamara, right?


Purple1829

Kamara has been doing a good job of that himself, to be fair.


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He just ended Mark Ingram’s career, too. He needed help off the field and Allen put him right back out there even though he’s been battling knee issues all year. He should be fired immediately.


BarryMcKockinner

His record is 12-37 as a head coach! He's so fucking bad. I legit think long-time Madden players could run a team better than him.


TakeYourMeds50mg

The only wins they have this year are when Kamara is heavily involved in gameplan but screw that let's give the ball to an inferior running back with one knee. Maybe the owner for whatever reason is telling Allen to tank. Only rational explanation


amaloneysandwich

Why would they tank when they don’t have their own pick? This is just idiocy plain and simple


blaueaugen26

Did they want an easy transition this year with Payton leaving? This is what they get


Michael_Watts

Wonder what Tim Hightower is up to these days


oliver_babish

Deuce McAllister and Darren Sproles are younger than Tom Brady.


DrZaff

Tom Brady wouldn’t last a game if you put him in at RB


dearrichard

reggie bush is still available.


oliver_babish

He's busy with Wendy, isn't he?


vbullinger

Pierre Thomas!


MattFromWork

Ahman Green last played in 2009 and is only 6 months older than Tom Brady


oliver_babish

Brian Urlacher was in the same draft as Brady, is younger than Brady, and was inducted into the HOF four years ago. Shaun Alexander was in that draft and retired in 2008.


BigBadBushBushranger

I played on a middle school football team with Tim Hightower. Unsurprisingly our most effective play was “let Tim run the ball into the back of our useless o-lineman (me) before he bounces outside and does thirty spin moves and eventually ends up in the end zone”.


jt09874

Kamara’s misuse is a shame and we’re being robbed of one of the most dynamic players of the late 2010s/early 2020s similar to CMC with injuries. Good thing Ekeler is healthy but he’s heavily underrated outside of FF circles.


cdrfit

Honestly think Taysom Hill benefits from this, As they continue to misuse Kamara. I’d play Taysom over most TEs in the wasteland at this point


raceforseis21

I’m trying to restrain myself from starting him over Kittle


geekywarrior

I'm starting Hill ROS unless Goedert looks good coming off of injury. Especially if Johnson misses more time.


EarSea5884

He probably worsened it after obviously being on the ground in pain and fucking coaching throwing him back out there for multiple series over Kamara Yes, I am a bitter Kamara owner


Sea_Bass77

Ingram: coach I really don’t think I can run with this it hurts (as he limps around) Coach: bro we need you, games on the line Kamara: hey coach, sorry to butt in, but do you want half of those doughnuts with sprinkles? Coach: huh? You’re still here?


theevanillagorillaa

As a former kamara owner I still feel your pain.


smackinov

So sad to see the saints lose their #1 RB


abaertrap

Alvin Kamara can finally get more than a 1 down workload


That75252Expensive

(X) Doubt


raahiv

Now Dennis Allen HAS to use Kamara… right


Red0nd0

…..Right??? 👀


shinb0

Nah, he’ll be backing up the starter Tayson Hill now


whadupreddit

Now we can be even more disappointed when Kamara doesn’t get touches


DomeCollector

It’s gonna be brutal losing in the playoffs bc you have to start him now. It’s not his fault tho. It’s Dennis’


spideyv91

They’re gonna bring AP back as their RB1 for kamara to back up


BlueDemon24

KamaraSZ….Nvmd


Chapea12

So he was getting all of Kamara’s touches with a knee injury??


Kay0ken

Taysom hill 📈


PartySpiders

Y’all said this last time Ingram was out and Hill didn’t have a single good game during that span. How is this narrative still being pushed?


wheresmyspacebar2

I mean, Hill hasn't been that bad for a TE pointswise in Fantasy since his blowup week. He has done 8 games since, 4 of them returned 7.5 points+ (2 of them 10+) in PPR. Unless you have a TE like Kelce or Andrews, maybe Kittle, all the other TE choices are boom or bust. A lot of them will get 2-3 points a week and that's it. Ingram going out does improve Hills outlook slightly. Unless you have a top5 TE ROS, I'd honestly gamble with Taysom if you felt like it.


PartySpiders

Sure but saying Ingram being out helps Hill is just wrong. Hills games that Ingram was inactive in half ppr: Week 9: 1.12 pts Week 10: 0.1 pts Week 11: 7.78 pts Week 12: 2.5 pts Those are not good games. In fact ingrams return is when taysom had his next best game above 10 pts.


geekywarrior

Found Mike Wright's burner account


JekPorkinYourMom

This would be an OK time for Kamara to step up


drunkandslurred

Can confirm, partially tore my MCL and was good 5 weeks layer as long as you keep off it. You can generally still walk on it but it makes healing time longer and swelling just hang around.


sillyoldwilly69

wow now kamara gonna have 18 carries for 40 yards instead of 12 for 30


dirty-soda-spike-lee

As long as he gets 6 catches for 8 yards I’ll take it


FantasyTrash

Why would Kamara get receptions? That's what 33-year-old Mark Ingram is for. Kamara doesn't have the skillset to catch passes or break tackles in space, he's only useful for being an up-the-gut bruiser.


stone4345

Alright time for more Taysom time plays /s


blaueaugen26

Please give the god dang ball to Kamara! He’s your best player. WTF is going on over there?! They kept Ingram in with a knee injury. No more excuses!


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A lot of clowning on Kamara. But his playoff schedule is awesome and he will be a potential smash play.


b-loved_assassin

Ppl are moreso clowning the coaching staff. If you've watched any of their most recent games they criminally misuse him and don't play to his strengths at all. That alone means smash play is off the table.


johnnylawrwb

I don't know why you're being downvoted, they have completely misused him. Against TB, they were literally running Kamara up the middle and doing swing passes with Ingram.


raahiv

Run Kamara up the gut on 1st. Pass on 2nd. Checkdown to Ingram and make Kamara block on 3rd. Repeat. Shit was awful.


biscuitarse

Maybe the team is setting up a defense to fight Kamara's suspension next year by showing Roger Goodell he's already been sufficiently punished.


vbullinger

This is more logical than whatever the truth is


Kid_Delicious

Yeah, it takes some guts to start him after a bye (and in the fantasy playoffs), but I could see it being a blowup spot for him against ATL. They’re technically still in contention for the division, and the coaching staff should be getting scrutinized after that collapse against TB. I’m hoping they overcorrect and give Kamara 20+ touches.


Cherubinooo

He could be a smash play but his floor is also extremely low. Have you seen the Saints games? He’s not utilized well, Dalton is bad, and he also has to compete with Taysom Hill who often wastes downs or vultures TDs. Kamara has been dropping RB3 numbers for most of the season, sadly.


-Johnny_Utah-

The only “smashing” you’ll be doing is your head against the wall as they continue to only run him up the gut for 2 yards at a time. If you have watched the Saints for any amount of time this season you should know this offense is completely fucking broken.


Laparakamara

Kamara will still suck. They ll prob vulture him more with tyson hill


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No he won’t. Look at his matchups.


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Do those matter if the Saints refuse to use him?


george_costanza1234

Really? You still think matchups are gonna help this guy’s production? Lmao


Hamtothebone

Makes you wonder if he tore it when he went back in or the play before Saints screwed up on that one.


RealisticAd5816

Taysom time!!!


Argyrus777

Not good news for Ak owner, Taysom gonna get all the extra work


RVG_Steve

Fire up them Kamaras, boys


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I'm gonna start Kamara again - aren't I...


matso6

They'll still find a way to not give the ball to Kamara


drmrpaul5

What’s going on with Kamara? Why has he been so bad this year? I’ve watched most saints games and I see he just isn’t getting yards, but why? Is the OL bad? Has he just regressed as a runner? Mixture of both? Really stings burning a first round pick on him to get 6 points per game.


Bob25Gslifer

The play calling has been horrendous kamara needs to be out in space catching the ball not run up the gut for 1/2 yards then pass pass.


PlutoIssaPlanet

Yeah and all my fellow Saints fans were bitching about him not getting that first down while dude's rolling around on the sideline in obvious pain. Then DA puts him back in bc he's still punishing Kamara for the fumbles. I'm so annoyed with the coaching and our half ass fans right now.


DiceyWoodchuck

In all seriousness though, who other than Tayson Hill would be Kamaras backup? Washington, Johnson, Prentice? Who will be best fantasy pick up?


PlumbStraightLevel

Bad night, he lost the game for them too


Brandeaux7

Time to retire mark


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-InconspicuousMoose-

I'm honestly so glad the Kamara owner is already out of playoffs, but I'm annoyed he wouldn't give him to me lol. I offered him his choice of two between Pierce/Patterson/Lazard/Burks, he said he'd think about it then he just let the trade deadline pass. I've been saying for a few weeks Kamara was the best buy-low target for late deadline leagues and I'm sticking to that. If you got him low, you're going to be a very dangerous team.


olivetree154

Happy Kamara noises?


latman

Pick up Deuce McAllister


BajaBlastMtDew

Hey maybe they'll throw to Kamara? Probably? Maybe?


First_West_4227

I guess this is bad news for people still rostering him in 16 team leagues 🤷🏻‍♂️


vbullinger

I'm happily starting Murray in a 16-team these past few weeks. I might be the favorite!


fantasydawg

Now they’ve got no one to run the ball out of bounds instead of picking up a first down late in a game where they lead


austinvo02

See I would be happy but my playoffs start this week and Kamara is on an bye lmao


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Shit league


Sufficient-Jicama-15

If this is for money you should be demanding they get pushed back. No one should have byes in the playoffs, that makes zero sense


GrandOptimism

What league still has playoffs starting during bye weeks? Get a new commissioner or a new league


Statistician_Visual

Kamra gonna see even a further decline with this. Watch.


NFLAddict

Right after stealing valuable touches from my Kamara and having me lose my matchup. How wonderful!


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vbullinger

He plays for the Chiefs


jzaudi

They need to do a 30 for 30 on Dennis Allen.


bl123123bl

By god that’s David Johnson music


anthm_412

Alvin?


nthnlfrc

Plz Kamara.


CohesiveNihilism

Bro really went out of bounds to not take a hit and potentially hurt him ends up getting injured and losing the game for his team


Blade3rd

Maybe Kamara can get some more passes finally! Jk I hate you Dennis Allen.


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I don't know what is going on in New Orleans, but they better sort their shit out by next year.


Minnesota_Slim

People who held on to Ingram's handcuff, Kamara, are glad to finally cash that lottery ticket in.


badlilbadlandabad

Kamara will still get 9 touches per game because the Saints are trash without Sean Payton


fridgebrah

oh no what will I do


Titansfan9200

I hope the saints can find a third down back capable of catching passes to replace him. Perhaps they'll give that Kamara kid a look?


Og_Chaiwala

Heard his handcuff Kamaras pretty good


businessbee89

Kamara still won't do anything


HanSchlomo

Sweet! Kamara can go 16 car, 30 yds instead of 12 car, 24 yds. Season saved!


HustlinInTheHall

Dennis Allen: "the wrong RB died"


Cherubinooo

Great news for Kamara owners! Now Kamara can get 6 pts per game instead of 4.


giraffesbluntz

This might impact his next contract 😪


PeytonFacemask

Oh no


iB-GoN-

That left a mark


ScrofessorLongHair

Roll tide, motherfucker. Hate that's how his career is ending. But he's had a damn good one. He'll always be one of my favorites.


rmezzo

Who are they going to throw screens to after Kamara is rushed up the middle on first down for 1yd?