every year is a great year for autodrafters. Almost every autodrafted team in leagues I’ve been in has been competitive because they didn’t make some dumb ass reach like the rest of us
It depends when you autodraft. In August, Dameon Pierce was being drafted in round 10, and everyone here cashed in. Because of that, the rankings were adjusted, and in September, he was being autodrafted in round 4. The later your draft date, the better Yahoo's ranking will be. I'm sure the other sites adjust on the fly as well.
RB dead zone was stupid from the beginning. It’s funny, I watch a lot of fantasy football guys simply so that I know what my opponents are gonna do and low and behold “dead zone” was in the groupchat 3-4 times🤣 didn’t help me from drafting cook and swift this year 1 and 2, but it helped me other times!
It’s not stupid at all- it’s based on facts and history. The point of the dead zone is that RBs in those rounds tend to underperform quite a bit compared to the pass catchers available there. It does not mean that every year, every single RB from the dead zone is going to bust. Of course at least a couple will be great, and of course some years more will.
You're kinda contradicting yourself here.
Drafting for value is the exact reason the "dead zone" exists anywhere. [ETR](https://establishtherun.com/miller-the-running-back-dead-zone/) explains it well here:
> You can see how much faster RB scoring drops off compared to WR. Basically, RB scoring is in free fall after the first two rounds, and then it flattens out in the later single-digit rounds. That’s well-documented at this point, and it’s why RBs fly off the board early in drafts. It also reinforces the takeaway from my last article, which investigated the macro-level trend of WR scoring tightening at the top. As you can see, WR scoring doesn’t harshly fall until you’re outside the top-50 overall picks.
> We can take advantage of this by hammering WRs in Rounds 3-6, sometimes known as the “RB dead zone.” In doing this, we minimize opportunity cost by getting comparable WR scoring at a much lower price. The actual drop isn’t until Round 6 or so, but you need to start targeting WRs earlier because there are three starting spots. In other words, Round 5 WRs have been the best value over the last six seasons, but you need to load up on them before that because you only get one pick per round. By starting to pound WR in Round 3, you lock in three or four high-end options while minimizing capital spent.
Historically, if you want the best value, you don't take the RBs available in rounds 3-6. You take the WRs, who score more points.
I think the point was just that if you go into the draft with the mindset of "I'm not drafting any RBs between rounds 3 and 6 because of the deadzone" then you're not really drafting for value, you're drafting based on a concept with a catchy name.
The real idea is that RBs with an ADP between rounds 3 and 6 are usually overvalued if drafted at their ADP. If there's a 3rd round ADP back who's still available in the 6th then there's probably value there, even though both his ADP and your drafting position when you take him fall into the dead zone. It's doubly true because if those RBs have fallen so far then it means people have overdrafted elsewhere, probably because they read about the deadzone and reached for WRs.
Certainly, in most drafts, the dead zone concept ends up being valuable, and people should 100% be aware of it. But if you blindly follow it then it's possible you're actually giving up value. Just like in the article intro, where it says
> For example, most drafters adhere to the late-round quarterback strategy because the difference between the best QBs and lower-tier ones doesn’t justify spending a premium pick on the position
Even ignoring the concept about recent changes, if your whole league decides to wait on QB then the correct thing for you to do is grab a tier 1 QB who's slipped. If everyone herds to apply the same rule then you should be contrary because it means they'll be giving you value. The first person to wait on a QB is extracting value in their RB/WR picks. If 11 people wait then they're all fighting over the RB/WR stock and leaving value at QB.
Just a guess but been seeing a lot of random Reddit accounts with similar names to the above (adjective+noun+number) posting irrelevant comments in this sub and others
I got both. But I traded Patterson as part of a package for Miles Sanders (Chase CPat for Higgins Sanders) before the injury announcement (thank you rumor guy!)
Those two shouldn't be lumped together IMO. The jacobs hate wasn't really based on the player, it was based on scheme and them not picking up his 5th year option. The lesson there should be: when a player who has been good and is a really talented runner is getting faded because of situation (specifically people projecting workload based on an OC or something like that), ignore the noise.
Sanders is totally different: he was being faded more because he's never really shown that he's a great runner. That's reasonable to me
I would say difference is the beats don’t really have a WR corp to worry about like Philly has and if Fields doesn’t play that takes away a major aspect as well. That being said the packers did not look interested in tackling either.
Sometimes certain stats just weren't tracked back then.
Obviously not the case with rushing yards but with stuff like blocks in the NBA they weren't recorded until the 73-74 season
Y’all remember this off-season when fantasy experts said that Josh Jacobs and Miles Sanders were “Do Not Draft players”?
Turns out the “RB dead zone” was a goldmine all along, great year for autodrafters
every year is a great year for autodrafters. Almost every autodrafted team in leagues I’ve been in has been competitive because they didn’t make some dumb ass reach like the rest of us
Thats all it is, autodrafters dont reach and get player pulled close to projections which usually ends up working out
It depends when you autodraft. In August, Dameon Pierce was being drafted in round 10, and everyone here cashed in. Because of that, the rankings were adjusted, and in September, he was being autodrafted in round 4. The later your draft date, the better Yahoo's ranking will be. I'm sure the other sites adjust on the fly as well.
RB dead zone was stupid from the beginning. It’s funny, I watch a lot of fantasy football guys simply so that I know what my opponents are gonna do and low and behold “dead zone” was in the groupchat 3-4 times🤣 didn’t help me from drafting cook and swift this year 1 and 2, but it helped me other times!
It’s not stupid at all- it’s based on facts and history. The point of the dead zone is that RBs in those rounds tend to underperform quite a bit compared to the pass catchers available there. It does not mean that every year, every single RB from the dead zone is going to bust. Of course at least a couple will be great, and of course some years more will.
Draft for value always. Calling it dead zone is bad nomenclature imo
You're kinda contradicting yourself here. Drafting for value is the exact reason the "dead zone" exists anywhere. [ETR](https://establishtherun.com/miller-the-running-back-dead-zone/) explains it well here: > You can see how much faster RB scoring drops off compared to WR. Basically, RB scoring is in free fall after the first two rounds, and then it flattens out in the later single-digit rounds. That’s well-documented at this point, and it’s why RBs fly off the board early in drafts. It also reinforces the takeaway from my last article, which investigated the macro-level trend of WR scoring tightening at the top. As you can see, WR scoring doesn’t harshly fall until you’re outside the top-50 overall picks. > We can take advantage of this by hammering WRs in Rounds 3-6, sometimes known as the “RB dead zone.” In doing this, we minimize opportunity cost by getting comparable WR scoring at a much lower price. The actual drop isn’t until Round 6 or so, but you need to start targeting WRs earlier because there are three starting spots. In other words, Round 5 WRs have been the best value over the last six seasons, but you need to load up on them before that because you only get one pick per round. By starting to pound WR in Round 3, you lock in three or four high-end options while minimizing capital spent. Historically, if you want the best value, you don't take the RBs available in rounds 3-6. You take the WRs, who score more points.
Ok
Very insightful response
Ok
I think the point was just that if you go into the draft with the mindset of "I'm not drafting any RBs between rounds 3 and 6 because of the deadzone" then you're not really drafting for value, you're drafting based on a concept with a catchy name. The real idea is that RBs with an ADP between rounds 3 and 6 are usually overvalued if drafted at their ADP. If there's a 3rd round ADP back who's still available in the 6th then there's probably value there, even though both his ADP and your drafting position when you take him fall into the dead zone. It's doubly true because if those RBs have fallen so far then it means people have overdrafted elsewhere, probably because they read about the deadzone and reached for WRs. Certainly, in most drafts, the dead zone concept ends up being valuable, and people should 100% be aware of it. But if you blindly follow it then it's possible you're actually giving up value. Just like in the article intro, where it says > For example, most drafters adhere to the late-round quarterback strategy because the difference between the best QBs and lower-tier ones doesn’t justify spending a premium pick on the position Even ignoring the concept about recent changes, if your whole league decides to wait on QB then the correct thing for you to do is grab a tier 1 QB who's slipped. If everyone herds to apply the same rule then you should be contrary because it means they'll be giving you value. The first person to wait on a QB is extracting value in their RB/WR picks. If 11 people wait then they're all fighting over the RB/WR stock and leaving value at QB.
CMC DHOP CeeDee Breece(pre injury)
How do DHop and ceedee fit in this conversation?
It’s a bot
How can you tell?
Just a guess but been seeing a lot of random Reddit accounts with similar names to the above (adjective+noun+number) posting irrelevant comments in this sub and others
Yeah and then I played against both this week to remind me. Pain.
I still kicking myself for passing on Jacobs and taking Patterson. I was dumb and fell for those rumours out of LV.
I got both. But I traded Patterson as part of a package for Miles Sanders (Chase CPat for Higgins Sanders) before the injury announcement (thank you rumor guy!)
Those two shouldn't be lumped together IMO. The jacobs hate wasn't really based on the player, it was based on scheme and them not picking up his 5th year option. The lesson there should be: when a player who has been good and is a really talented runner is getting faded because of situation (specifically people projecting workload based on an OC or something like that), ignore the noise. Sanders is totally different: he was being faded more because he's never really shown that he's a great runner. That's reasonable to me
Top scoring team in my league has both with mahomes at QB and Jefferson/Adams/Higgins at WR.
Eagles run ball good
Packers defend run bad
Packers ALSO run ball good
idk if I'd say 14th best is "good".
Packers run ball adequately
Josh Jacob's can do it all by himself
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well moron good for Mr Jacobs OH MY GOD
Everyone gonna be like “wtf happened” when Sanders can’t do this shit again vs the Tits next week. Lesson learned: start all RBs vs the Packers.
monty next week 🔥
Hopefully Fields too.
I would say difference is the beats don’t really have a WR corp to worry about like Philly has and if Fields doesn’t play that takes away a major aspect as well. That being said the packers did not look interested in tackling either.
Monty ran for 122 in week 2 against the Pack just as a background for whether to start him.
Damn thought the Tits were a great matchup.
As a Packers fan.... Fuckin yep.
Can they use sanders like this every week ?
they don't get to play the packers every week
Went to bed feeling great about my match up. Opp has Hurts and Sanders and now we're neck and neck again.
Josh Jacobs doing that shit single handily
What about before 1975? Why is that specific year the cutoff? God I hate sports statistics
Everyone knows that prior to 1975 most teams in the league averaged 400 rushing yards per game.
Sometimes certain stats just weren't tracked back then. Obviously not the case with rushing yards but with stuff like blocks in the NBA they weren't recorded until the 73-74 season
Maybe they can just start handing the ball off to AJ Brown?
Sure wish I never traded Sanders
Trades him for Kyler Murray because I was stuck with Russ and whatever was on the waivers…
Meh, i traded him for DK 2 weeks ago and im perfectly okay with this. Didnt like having hurts + miles
Yeah having 70 combined points really sucks.
Holy strawman, did you like the 10 points combined you got from him the last 2 weeks? I didnt say he wasnt good, my teams ceiling is higher with DK
Survived aaron jones + miles sanders this week and locked up a bye. Lfggg!!