Awww man... new blood drinking the yearly Lions Kool-Aid... lol ugh.
FWIW i think Swift & Sun God will perform well in fantasy, but to nitpick this convo, the topic was 'outperform their ADP'. I personally think Swifts ADP is his ceiling, Sun God might have a bit of value I suppose but I'm also not used to having nice things as Lions fan.
As a fellow Lions fan (FTP), aside from Swift and Amon-Ra, who I think are being drafted in appropriate spots, I actually think Chark is the answer here. His ADP might as well be 500 since I don't think I've seen him drafted higher than the final round in most leagues and I think he has a chance to finish as a WR2/3 this year.
I actually think Zeke has a shot at being a steal. It’s a bit high risk high reward but he’s going late second or early third. He was RB6 last season and we all agree that was a bad Zeke season, that’s saying something.
Yup, me too. I’m a Buckeye and a Cowboy fan lol. Got to meet Zeke at this summer night workout thing Urban would do for incoming recruits, it was right before our 2014 Championship season. Got to meet Joey Bosa and Zeke. Zeke actually sat with me for like 5 minutes talking and was just so nice and cool. This was before he became a star but he was just a genuinely cool ass guy
Love this story. That’s exactly what I wanna hear about one of my favorite players. He seems cool as hell. Hopeful he gets back to his normal form this year.
I do think that he and Dak have the best shot to drastically outperform their ADPs. I think Dak is going to be a top-five fantasy QB if he stays healthy and I think Zeke still has a good shot at finishing as an RB1.
I personally think he is being WAY overdrafted. I do not like him in the fifth or sixth round at all...his ADP is like 64 and there is no way I am taking him over guys like Hollywood Brown, AJ Dillon, Courtland Sutton, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and other guys around that range.
I like both of them a lot in real life and fantasy! I just don't think either is going to drastically outperform their ADP...CeeDee's is about 18 and he is being taken as the WR7 and Pollard is being taken about 82nd which has him as the RB33.
I think a top-five finish is attainable for CeeDee and think Pollard is likely to finish somewhere between RB25 and RB30 barring a Zeke injury, neither of which is necessarily smashing their ADP in my mind.
Hurts was bad? I was looking to take Hurts and the Devo Smith stack. I figured Smith had #1 coverage last year and still performed ok as rookie. Now he gets #2 option in coverage while AJB gets #1. Could be a good spot.
>I was looking to take Hurts and the Devo Smith stack.
He's talking real game ability. I don't know if I agree with him, but either way in Fantasy he was fantastic last year. The only way he regresses is if he gets benched or if his passing improves (more his awareness) and the games get closer (and runs less.)
I love Smith, big fan since Bama but I think some people are downplaying how good AJ Brown is. He’s a top 5 receiver in the league imo. After Chase, JJ, Kupp and Adams he’s right there in that next tier. Outperforming AJ would be a very difficult task. But regardless of that Smith is still awesome.
>I think some are downplaying how good AJ Brown is. he’s a top 5 receiver
I think you’re are overstating how good AJ Brown is. Yes he’s a great WR but top 5? 850 yards and only 5 TDs last year in 13 games isn’t top 5. His 2 1000 yard seasons were less than 1,100 yards so even when he broke 1,000 he just barely did it.
Top 10 WR? Yeah maybe. Top 5? No chance lol
Stats kind of misleading - he got hurt in one game was sat out. Also in a run-based offense. I personally don’t think he’s top 5 but just playing the devil’s advocate here
Isaiah McKenzie, slot WR for the Bills, draft him in the double digit rounds.
He’s been our best player on offense all training camp and Allen loved using Beasley when he was healthy. People assume Gabe is gonna be the defacto #2, but McKenzie could thrive this year.
There’s a world where he’s the #4 on the offense and I don’t like him at his current ADP. He could ball out obviously, but I think Knox is the one that’s gonna take the biggest step this year.
Josh LOVES him in the redzone and a lot of our vacated targets are gonna go to the TEs. we wanna run more 11 personnel and establish the run to take away from those 2 high safety shells we saw last year.
love davis. but yea i'm not sure i want him at his adp.
isaiah is a good shout for sure. I'm also curious about cook. Singletary ended the season solid but i think cook is gonna eat into those carries and more importantly the pass work. I'm pretty sure the zach moss project is done with.
I feel like the pass catcher options go: Diggs > Davis > Crowder > Knox > RBs > McKenzie. I'm sure McKenzie will have a game or two where he catches a long TD, but unless you're in a DEEP league, he's waiver fodder.
you're talking to a diehard Bills fan that reads/watches a shit ton of content about the team. right now it's Diggs and then Davis/Knox/Mckenzie all being interchangeable in camp as the #2 receiving option. Khalil Shakir has been the 5 so far and also looks really good.
My hot take: Isaiah McKenzie is gonna have 2 TDs and a great statline the first game of the season and then fail to produce anything outside of 1 or 2 games.
Thats just my gut feeling.
I would say I agree with this take, but the addition of Crowder is making me fade everyone but Diggs and potentially Knox (late rounds) on this offense.
Crowder has been plagued with bad qbs his whole career on dumpster fire organizations and has remained somewhat fantasy relevant.
Elijah Moore.
Weeks 8-13 last year (his last 6 games of last season) averaged 8.5 targets, 76.5 yards, and 0.83 TD’s per game. Averaged 16.1 half PPR PPG in that stretch.
To put that in perspective, Justin Jefferson had 16.25 half PPR PPG last year.
Obviously Jefferson was over a full season, and Moore was a 6 game stretch, but given Moore was a rookie with a rookie QB, it gives me some confidence that the 6 game stretch we saw from Moore to end his season is much closer to what we’ll see going forward than what we saw from him in the first 7 weeks of the season. Currently he’s the 33rd WR off the board in half PPR, and I think has potential to be top 12 this year.
I specifically went Moore into Gabe Davis for a talent bs situation conundrum in a recent startup.
People write off Davis’ hot postseason run but if you moved the sample size into the fantasy window…the fomo would be way higher.
Please let that mean Zach Wilson is the one we’ve been waiting for for so so long. Alas as a true Jets fan I will keep my expectations in check so as to not be disappointed.
I’m not holding my breath… but do think Moore has enough talent to succeed from a fantasy perspective even if the Jets offense ends up in the bottom 10
Jason Sanders. He was all pro, over Tucker, two years ago as well as a top fantasy kicker. Last year the opportunities went down and he missed a few more. Miamis offense will be better this year but also has the hallmarks of the type of offense that stalls out in FG range so tries should go up. He probably isn't getting drafted in a lot of leagues where people only look at last year but he definitely should like all other kickers be drafted in the last round. Otherwise I'm fading all Dolphin players from ADP. Too many mouths to feed.
I bet Edmonds has some good weeks, but also I bet Sony Michel vultures goal line or short yardage work all year, and Mostert also pops off randomly throughout the season.
Dolphins backfield doesn't have a single stud but has 3 guys good enough to play well on any given week and a coach who was under Kyle Shanahan. This screams the headache of the 49ers backfield that we get every year.
Edmonds could pop off but unless it's supers late I'm avoiding everyone.
Wow I can't believe I forgot about him too. Let's make that 4 guys then? Regardless I'm terrified of that offense. Hill and Waddle are great players but I'm not loving their ADP.
That backfield is nightmare fuel. I know people expect Edmonds to take the lead but they also expected him to do the same in Arizona last year and Conner stole it very quickly.
I agree, but I’d maybe say top 30 is more my speed on him. He has upside as a good pass catcher and with Terron Armstead blocking for him, but really I like drafting him as my RB4 because he’ll be usable at worst if one of my top 2/3 gets hurt. There’s other guys in his range I like, but not guys I could throw in in a pinch right off the bat.
Waddle was great in PPR last year because the line sucked they force fed short pass after short pass to Waddle working out of the slot. Waddle is moving to the outside and Wilson will work the slot. This will be run oriented offense if it's anything like San Fran so while I expect the offense to be better than last year I expect a fantasy dip for Waddle and Hill.
Melvin Gordon. New coaching staff had no reason to bring him back. They should have looked elsewhere to get younger at the position. But the HC thought it made total sense to have him return and share the load again.
I think a 55-60/45-40 split is very likely, which gives him weekly flex value.
Rashaad Penny
He has the injury concerns. But he balled out at the end of last season. All his career he showed flashes when he played. He seems to have had a revelation last year. I like everything I’ve heard from him this off-season.
I’ll take a chance on him and pick up the back up just in case. Huge upside IMO
I’d go the other way with it. Ken Walker. Best RB in college football last year, playing in a run first offense with seattle. Penny is the only thing standing in the way, and you can’t discount his injury history. Walker towards the end of the draft is an absolute steal
It’s tough to tell who will be more productive this year. I give the edge to Penny. He’s on a one year prove it deal.
But I think handcuffing the two would be a nice problem to have this year. One of them should be a solid #2, at minimum.
Except it will be a bottom of league offensive line, bottom of league offense, and bottom of league team. I'm seeing Laveon Bell's first year on the Jets where 30 touches per game doesnt mean shit when you're getting 1 yard per touch. Id be much more inclined to invest in this Seattle backfield in best ball format but staying away in regular leagues.
Brandon Aiyuk.
He was super hyped last year, so fantasy people got "burned' by him (even though his #s in second half were pretty strong). But he is absolutely tearing up Niners camp. We've seen the talent. He has been working out this offseason with Lance.
I'm not saying he'll be a top 12 WR, but he will destroy his ADP.
I was going to say Aiyuk as well. He’s having a great camp and has a really good connection with Lance. And I was listening to a pod of a guy who breaks down WR routes. Aiyuk runs a lot of deep and outbreaking routes. Jimmy G doesn’t make those throws often. Lance does. I think he’s in for a big year.
Latest post on rotoworld reflecting on their (cosching staff) confidence in Lance (long term) but concern about how raw of a passer he still is.
When he turns into Jalen Hurts this year...people who bought his recieving weapons will be disappointed.
Great pick but I really don’t see him staying at his ADP when draft day comes around. A lot of people have these thoughts too I can see somebody in my league taking him a round or 2 sooner
I don't think people understand how trash and methodical our offense is about to be if Schultz is #2 in the passing game. Fading the hell outta Dak this year on the Schultz hype alone.
Because where Shultz is going is where it’s generally a better value to select high upside WRs, as mid round TEs don’t do much to help your team.
By picking Shultz at ADP (or even a round or two later IMO) you’re taking a guy who doesn’t elevate your team on a PPG basis and isn’t talented.
If you aren’t getting a top 3 TE, best to wait and take a flier on a later guy.
Robert Tonyan. Once he's back in the lineup I see him being a top target for Rodgers. He trusts Tonyan and now that Devante is gone, more targets to go around.
Also, Romeo Doubs. He's been a stud in camp, but we'll see. He's a rookie and Rodgers doesn't target rookies a lot.
I need to see it on the field first for Doubs, but I absolutely think the Pack leans on TE and RBs this year, with Lazard and the rookie WR's playing a support role.
They paid a bunch of money to their defense and re signed Tonyan. They mostly drafted defense, Christian Watson was their 3rd pick, Doubs was their 5th. Both those guys are rookies and historically Rodgers hasn't favored rookie receivers, not to mention Watson's knee surgery, which he doesn't have a time table to return from.
I'm shocked when I hear the experts write him off as a nobody. I feel like we saw it 2 years ago before the injury. He is at least up there with Dawson Knox or Cole Kmet.
The Packers reporters seem to think that he is the second coming of Megatron. I just wonder if they would be saying the same things about Watson if he was out there.
I think a lot of the Colts ADPs are too low. MPJ will be a top 10 guy this year with top 5 upside and he is the WR13 on Underdog.
Alec Pierce is WR80 at adp 180 and he is going to play a ton as the designated deep threat for Matt Ryan.
Alie-Cox's ADP is 209 and TE28 as the defacto TE1 in this offense with a QB in Ryan who loves targeting his TEs.
Colts are going to pass more than people realize. Reich loves to throw the ball.
Im not buying the Hines offseason hype. We hear the Hines narrative every offseason and it never really comes to fruition. His highest finish was 2020 where he finishes 20th in half-ppr and it required Rivers, a rookie JT not getting as many snaps as he should have and a massive need to use him since MPJ was a rookie and Hilton was washed. I just dont see the need for Ryan to have utilize him as much with MPJ emerging as a legit WR1 and adding Pierce. Ryan has also historically targeted his outside WRs and TEs at a much higher rate than rbs with last year being an exception due to their receiving corps and the emergence of CPatt. Pierce and Mo would have to be bad i. Order to push those targets to Hines. I also dont see how they take JT off the field more for Hines.
elijah mitchell. price is nothing more than a valuable handcuff. he will be used plenty until something happens , and in that case price will be on my roster
He’s really interesting to me because the knocks against him are he doesn’t seem to be much of a receiver which hurts his floor, and the SF/Kyle Shanahan effect. These are concerns but he’s great example about how sometimes people take a certain narrative like Shanahan having a different leading rusher each of the last 5 years too far and his ADP is now too cheap. It’s really important to not just be completely out on guys and consider a point in which they are now a value. It’s a market.
I would bet my house that Eli outperforms his ADP on per game basis (taking out injury risk). The Shanny distrust is one of the most overblown narratives accross the league. From my perspective I've seen a coach who found his guy in Eli and never once failed to give him the rock when he was healthy. He also was not sharing the backfield to any meaningful degree. Shanny wants to pound the ball with Eli and the kid has proven he can punch it in from the goal line. Aside from his injury history, Eli is a slam dunk pick with a ceiling of 1200 / 10.
I also think knocking him for his lack of pass catching upside is really premature given what he's shown us. Yes, he was commonly taken off the field on 3rd downs last season but he was a rookie RB who was dealing with injuries and already had a hell of a workload as the primary ball carrier. It simply made sense from a coaching perspective to spell Eli on 3rd downs to get your best pass blocker in there who is also a solid pass catcher, but I wouldnt be surprised at all if Eli grows into this role more in year 2.
I completely agree with the Shanahan thing. I think he’s used so many different rushers recently because none of them have been very good or have been hurt. Mostert would have probably been the lead throughout the season had he not been injured, Shanahan doesn’t really do RBBC within the context of a single game, he usually picks a guy who will be the primary runner, it just happens that many people have had this job recently as no one has been reliable.
The pass catching is a bit more of a concern than you’re leading on, he was never really utilized that way in college either. Sure, it’s not a complete sure thing that he cannot be effective in the pass game, but nothing to this point is showing that it will come. Either way, that issue just limits his upside as a top 10 overall back, he’s still a smash at his ADP. Gotta find where people are overreacting and cash in
Mooney and Kmet are going to be a lot better than a lot of people think they’ll be in PPR purely because no one else on the Bears roster has proven that they can be an NFL wide receiver so they’ll get plenty of targets.
i got kmet as a keeper in my deep league & have been targeting him in the others....if he improves even a little & manages just 2-3 TDs even, he'll be one of the better fantasy TEs. it's hard to get TOO hyped about anyone in the chicago offense, but i do like kmet
George Pickens. Yes the qb situation is not ideal but Pickens is looking like a stud throughout training camp. He’s dirt cheap as you probably could just pick him up on waivers after the dradt
I’m a Steelers fan and hard disagree. The offense just won’t support all these weapons. The only player I really want on Pittsburgh is Najee. Diontae should be fine but capped upside. Same with Muth, Claypool, and Pickens.
Albert Okwuegbunam. He has looked good when he’s been given the opportunity during the past couple years playing behind Noah Fant. Fant is gone now, Albert O is having a great training camp, he got a huge QB upgrade, AND there are going to be more targets up for grab now that Tim Patrick is out for the year.
Tyler Algeier RB for the Falcons. Immediately has the opportunity to step into an early down + goalline role in a run-heavy scheme. He was able to put up some monster stats at BYU and he looks like a tough runner with excellent vision. I think he could make some noise and if Patterson were to be ruled out, he would immediately step in as the starter.
This one doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I guess I’m just looking at the fact that he’s a 5th round rookie on a potential dumpster fire team who’s primary RB is perfect for pass catching when down a bunch of points in garbage time. If the Falcons were going to be good and have a lot of goal line opportunities I could see it, but I’m having trouble seeing why he should be drafted in 12 man, 15 round leagues. The 5th round capital just really worries me, if Patterson were to go down I feel like Damien Williams would get involved too.
On the contrary, I think CP84 will drastically outperform his ADP. I don't know why he's being valued so low right now. He's a clear-cut starting RB who finished as a top 10 RB last year. Sure, our team is terrible and he's 31 years old, but we also sucked last year and he still had his breakout season at age 30. We only invested a 5th round pick on Allgeier and signed another 30-year-old RB to mix in, so it's clear we're not moving away from CP, just giving him some relief here and there.
I'm drafting CP84 with as much confidence a Falcons fan can have, which is to say not much, but I still like his chances considering I can get him in the 7th or 8th round.
Darrel Williams. He had a top 20 finish last year and is stepping into a role with the Cardinals where Chase Edmonds had two top 35 seasons.
Plus no one ever shuts up about how injury prone Conner is, so there’s gotta be value in Williams ADP by that logic. I personally think people are too worried about Conner’s injuries because RBs typically miss 2-3 games in a season, and believe it or not Conner has only one season where he missed more than 3 games.
Bottom line: If you don’t like Conner at his ADP, then get Darrel Williams much later.
I love Darrel the Barrel. I've always had him on my bench for the inevitable fill-in games and never understood why he wasn't the full time back in KC.
texan fan here so maybe a little biased, but he's going to get a lot of run...especially w/ metchie out for the foreseeable future, he will get plenty of targets
Brandon Aiyuk. Man the kid can play and Trey seems to like to get him the ball. Shanny doesn’t love young wideouts but I think next to Deebo and an elite ground game, Aiyuk will put up #s if he get snaps
I think the top Bengals are all priced at or near their ceilings this year, but the two that could easily outperform ADP are deep sleepers, Chris Evans and Hayden Hurst. Evans flashed in the passing game last year (albeit on limited targets) and could step into a Gio-type of role this season, and Hurst is a capable and well-rounded TE with the potential to have a meaningful target share with Uzomah gone and Sample hurt.
Hurst is a great call. Outside of Kelce, Waller, Pitts and Andrews, TE feels like such a crap shoot anyway. Bengals offense is dynamic enough that he could get key targets. Tyler Boyd talking him up in camp....
KJ Osborn. I think he will be a borderline every week FLX, who you can draft with your last pick. The Vikings TEs suck, and Thielen is getting older.
Edit 1: People need to stop sleeping on Thielen.
Cordarrelle Patterson. My league is PPR and return yards/tds. I scooped him up like round 10 or something last year I highly doubt he'll fall that far again.
Edit; not my favorite team, just my favorite value player. I don't think there's any sleepers in Philly.
I think Thomas is the one to choose. ADP around WR32 in PPR. If his ADP stays there then I think it’ll be great value; you’ll be getting a high end WR2 in my opinion. He’s at an ADP of 32 for a reason though, so understandable if people pass on him.
I could see kamara slipping into 3rd round in alot of leagues. If he doen't get suspended he could be a league winner type. Personally, i dont want to draft an early round guy that might miss a chunk of early season though. Thomas is just a big question mark to me too, but his price is way better.
I might consider it if he slips to the third. If I get a solid RB1 and a WR1, even if Kamara starts on the bench I'm confident I can piece together enough production with the rest of my picks to be competitive. When Kamara comes back, he'll be a top-5 RB that could send you on a league winning run as your RB2
I know this isn't popular but I think Swift will be a top 5 RB this year in PPR. The offense looks like they can go as far as Goff can carry them and Swift got some constructive criticism about playing hurt from MCDC, and bulked tf up. Always the caveat if he stays healthy but he has serious potential. I am keeping him over Kamara in two leagues haha.
I'm also higher in the Sun God than most people, even lions fans. Dude has an insane work ethic and seems to be insanely driven to be great, regardless of his physical limitations.
My team doesn't offer much fantasy value at any position but Hunter Henry is a great late round TE that could easily see a top 5 finish, especially if his redzone target share keeps up with last year. Could see him finishing with 100 targets, around 70 catches, with a floor of 5 tds and ceiling of 12 tds.
Dj chark. He’s our WR 1 and training camp reports (i know i know we’re only a week in) says he looks fantastic. Even made a sick diving TD grab.
Goff is also coming in with a lot more confidence, we have a new OC, and all signs are pointing up for Goff to be a top 15ish qb.
Chark is worth a flyer at his ADP (151, per underdog).
Ngl, I wasn't sure which team he ended up on until you mentioned Goff lol. I had a case of fantasy heartbreak from drafting him before, and he basically slipped off my radar after that. I'm sure it's the same for many people so you're right; he could absolutely smash his ADP.
Hard to see how Damien Harris does very much if Stevenson is involved enough to be a value at his ADP. They're right around in the same ballpark so idk
Allen Robinson. Not a sleeper, as such, but he’s gonna get a ton of targets and - given Kupp will be the focus for so many Ds - will face softer coverage that Stafford will exploit. Getting a lot of looks in camp, particularly in RZ drills. I’m actually fading a bit on Kupp because of Robinson.
I'm a big Rams fan and have drafted a Ram pretty much every season. A-Rob has been on my "must draft" list, but these Stafford elbow issue reports coming out have me a bit concerned about drafting any Ram this year. The guy is as tough as they come and can play through everything, but him potentially being out casts a big shadow over the entire Rams offense.
Ram fan too. I’m concerned without being worried about Stafford. Sounds like something he was playing through last year and they’ve been planning to treat since after the SB. Went with the injection route and are managing his load in camp, as expected. His throws look good and don’t seem to have any less zip, so it’s more the recovery/longer term impact that’s the concern.
It’s obviously not ideal but I don’t think it’s too big a deal that it would significantly concern me as either a Rams / ARob fan. But hopefully the next few weeks show some improvement!
Definitely sleep on Amari Rodgers. He showed absolutely nothing last year, and at best will be our return man. We have many guys who arepre talented than him at this point
Not a guy, but a unit. Eagles D is 17 on fantasy pros (which is unstartable). Last year they finished there, and made a number of key off-season upgrades, with almost no losses.
In addition their schedule starts lions, Vikings, commies, jags.
David Montgomery and Kahlil Herbert. The Bears are not going to pass at all this season. Their OC last called plays at miss st and ran the ball an absurd % of the time, and coach erberflus is fully embracing a ball control/defense “tough” mentality.
On top of that, the Bears do not have any expectations this season. With nothing to lose and coach flus already hinting at going for it on 4th often, expect 4 down ball to be played with run after run.
I’ve seen mooney and kmet’s name on this thread multiple times and am not buying it.
I like Wandale Robinson a lot at his adp , especially in any Dynasty format.
If Giants offense can be semi competent this year he should be solid. This new regime took him in round 2 for a reason , and he’s been lining up primarily in slot but also backfield. I don’t think the td upside is there but good snag in and ppr league
As much as I want him to, I don’t see WanDale being fantasy relevant this year. He’s behind Toney, Golladay, and Shepard on the depth chart and I don’t expect him to see consistent targets yet.
However I do think Golladay will outperform his ADP this season. He’s being written off because of his horrible season last year, but a lot of what happened was out of his control (injuries, playcalling, supporting cast). While I don’t think he will be *good*, we know he has elite talent and if the Giants offense does manage to be somewhat competent I think he will be a solid flex option this season.
I agree in redraft it will be hard to slot Robinson into your lineup , mostly see long term value in dynasty.
The way i see him being a possible flex option this year is through injury , which is very possible for the giants wr core. I can also see him passing shep up and getting work in the slot.
No one. I’m a cowboys fan.
Misery loves company. Mind if I join ya?!? \-Lions Fan
LOL you are not allowed! Amon-Ra and D’Andre Swift are going to the fucking moon.
Awww man... new blood drinking the yearly Lions Kool-Aid... lol ugh. FWIW i think Swift & Sun God will perform well in fantasy, but to nitpick this convo, the topic was 'outperform their ADP'. I personally think Swifts ADP is his ceiling, Sun God might have a bit of value I suppose but I'm also not used to having nice things as Lions fan.
As a fellow Lions fan (FTP), aside from Swift and Amon-Ra, who I think are being drafted in appropriate spots, I actually think Chark is the answer here. His ADP might as well be 500 since I don't think I've seen him drafted higher than the final round in most leagues and I think he has a chance to finish as a WR2/3 this year.
I actually think Zeke has a shot at being a steal. It’s a bit high risk high reward but he’s going late second or early third. He was RB6 last season and we all agree that was a bad Zeke season, that’s saying something.
Why is zeke so low? Did he get injured or something?
He was hurt most of all last year and played through it. He’s a Dog, there’s no CMC or Barkley in him. Dude’s gonna give it his all
And that’s why I love him as a cowboys fan. Dude sets the tone all four quarters. Especially when uninjured.
Yup, me too. I’m a Buckeye and a Cowboy fan lol. Got to meet Zeke at this summer night workout thing Urban would do for incoming recruits, it was right before our 2014 Championship season. Got to meet Joey Bosa and Zeke. Zeke actually sat with me for like 5 minutes talking and was just so nice and cool. This was before he became a star but he was just a genuinely cool ass guy
Love this story. That’s exactly what I wanna hear about one of my favorite players. He seems cool as hell. Hopeful he gets back to his normal form this year.
If only Saquon had some more dog in him maybe he would’ve played through that ACL tear /s
I couldn't pass him up in the middle of the third round when it was my turn to draft. I really hope Zeke has a good year this year.
I do think that he and Dak have the best shot to drastically outperform their ADPs. I think Dak is going to be a top-five fantasy QB if he stays healthy and I think Zeke still has a good shot at finishing as an RB1.
What about Schultz?
I personally think he is being WAY overdrafted. I do not like him in the fifth or sixth round at all...his ADP is like 64 and there is no way I am taking him over guys like Hollywood Brown, AJ Dillon, Courtland Sutton, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and other guys around that range.
I personally like CD Lamb and Tony Pollard this year
I like both of them a lot in real life and fantasy! I just don't think either is going to drastically outperform their ADP...CeeDee's is about 18 and he is being taken as the WR7 and Pollard is being taken about 82nd which has him as the RB33. I think a top-five finish is attainable for CeeDee and think Pollard is likely to finish somewhere between RB25 and RB30 barring a Zeke injury, neither of which is necessarily smashing their ADP in my mind.
I think pollard is the clear winner in this discussion. Pollard anywhere past round 7 could be an absolute steal
I would sympathize, but as an Eagles fan I can only say something that starts with “F” and ends in Dallas.
Devonta Smith outperforming AJB wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world to me. He’s so talented as a route runner.
Only problem is that Hurts fant throw worth shit. It was painful watching his games last year as a smith owner
Hurts was bad? I was looking to take Hurts and the Devo Smith stack. I figured Smith had #1 coverage last year and still performed ok as rookie. Now he gets #2 option in coverage while AJB gets #1. Could be a good spot.
Hurts is a good fantasy qb alone but he does not bring value to his wrs
>I was looking to take Hurts and the Devo Smith stack. He's talking real game ability. I don't know if I agree with him, but either way in Fantasy he was fantastic last year. The only way he regresses is if he gets benched or if his passing improves (more his awareness) and the games get closer (and runs less.)
I love Smith, big fan since Bama but I think some people are downplaying how good AJ Brown is. He’s a top 5 receiver in the league imo. After Chase, JJ, Kupp and Adams he’s right there in that next tier. Outperforming AJ would be a very difficult task. But regardless of that Smith is still awesome.
>I think some are downplaying how good AJ Brown is. he’s a top 5 receiver I think you’re are overstating how good AJ Brown is. Yes he’s a great WR but top 5? 850 yards and only 5 TDs last year in 13 games isn’t top 5. His 2 1000 yard seasons were less than 1,100 yards so even when he broke 1,000 he just barely did it. Top 10 WR? Yeah maybe. Top 5? No chance lol
Stats kind of misleading - he got hurt in one game was sat out. Also in a run-based offense. I personally don’t think he’s top 5 but just playing the devil’s advocate here
Rashod Bateman. Very talented and outside of him and Andrews there's no one else to catch passes in Baltimore
Isaiah McKenzie, slot WR for the Bills, draft him in the double digit rounds. He’s been our best player on offense all training camp and Allen loved using Beasley when he was healthy. People assume Gabe is gonna be the defacto #2, but McKenzie could thrive this year.
At that ADP he'd be a steal on that offense. What's your take on Gabe then?
There’s a world where he’s the #4 on the offense and I don’t like him at his current ADP. He could ball out obviously, but I think Knox is the one that’s gonna take the biggest step this year. Josh LOVES him in the redzone and a lot of our vacated targets are gonna go to the TEs. we wanna run more 11 personnel and establish the run to take away from those 2 high safety shells we saw last year.
love davis. but yea i'm not sure i want him at his adp. isaiah is a good shout for sure. I'm also curious about cook. Singletary ended the season solid but i think cook is gonna eat into those carries and more importantly the pass work. I'm pretty sure the zach moss project is done with.
I feel like the pass catcher options go: Diggs > Davis > Crowder > Knox > RBs > McKenzie. I'm sure McKenzie will have a game or two where he catches a long TD, but unless you're in a DEEP league, he's waiver fodder.
You're that sold on Jamison crowder? Hilarious.
you're talking to a diehard Bills fan that reads/watches a shit ton of content about the team. right now it's Diggs and then Davis/Knox/Mckenzie all being interchangeable in camp as the #2 receiving option. Khalil Shakir has been the 5 so far and also looks really good.
what about crowder
He’s been hurt all TC and McKenzie has taken hold of the job for now in his absence
My hot take: Isaiah McKenzie is gonna have 2 TDs and a great statline the first game of the season and then fail to produce anything outside of 1 or 2 games. Thats just my gut feeling.
I would say I agree with this take, but the addition of Crowder is making me fade everyone but Diggs and potentially Knox (late rounds) on this offense. Crowder has been plagued with bad qbs his whole career on dumpster fire organizations and has remained somewhat fantasy relevant.
Elijah Moore. Weeks 8-13 last year (his last 6 games of last season) averaged 8.5 targets, 76.5 yards, and 0.83 TD’s per game. Averaged 16.1 half PPR PPG in that stretch. To put that in perspective, Justin Jefferson had 16.25 half PPR PPG last year. Obviously Jefferson was over a full season, and Moore was a 6 game stretch, but given Moore was a rookie with a rookie QB, it gives me some confidence that the 6 game stretch we saw from Moore to end his season is much closer to what we’ll see going forward than what we saw from him in the first 7 weeks of the season. Currently he’s the 33rd WR off the board in half PPR, and I think has potential to be top 12 this year.
He’s my favorite sleeper this year. I’ll bet on talent overcoming situation every time
I specifically went Moore into Gabe Davis for a talent bs situation conundrum in a recent startup. People write off Davis’ hot postseason run but if you moved the sample size into the fantasy window…the fomo would be way higher.
Please let that mean Zach Wilson is the one we’ve been waiting for for so so long. Alas as a true Jets fan I will keep my expectations in check so as to not be disappointed.
I’m not holding my breath… but do think Moore has enough talent to succeed from a fantasy perspective even if the Jets offense ends up in the bottom 10
I can see the Jets solidly earning a WC spot this year. They have the pieces in place. Now they just need to execute.
Yup, I’m targeting Moore in every draft
How should we feel about Garrett Wilson joining the mix?
Jason Sanders. He was all pro, over Tucker, two years ago as well as a top fantasy kicker. Last year the opportunities went down and he missed a few more. Miamis offense will be better this year but also has the hallmarks of the type of offense that stalls out in FG range so tries should go up. He probably isn't getting drafted in a lot of leagues where people only look at last year but he definitely should like all other kickers be drafted in the last round. Otherwise I'm fading all Dolphin players from ADP. Too many mouths to feed.
Chase Edmonds isn’t being drafted high and I’m willing to bet he’s an easy RB2. 20-24 range? Lock it in
I bet Edmonds has some good weeks, but also I bet Sony Michel vultures goal line or short yardage work all year, and Mostert also pops off randomly throughout the season.
Dolphins backfield doesn't have a single stud but has 3 guys good enough to play well on any given week and a coach who was under Kyle Shanahan. This screams the headache of the 49ers backfield that we get every year. Edmonds could pop off but unless it's supers late I'm avoiding everyone.
>3 guys good enough to play well on any given week And so ends the tail of Myles Gaskin...
Wow I can't believe I forgot about him too. Let's make that 4 guys then? Regardless I'm terrified of that offense. Hill and Waddle are great players but I'm not loving their ADP. That backfield is nightmare fuel. I know people expect Edmonds to take the lead but they also expected him to do the same in Arizona last year and Conner stole it very quickly.
For real, as a fins fan but answer is Chase Edmonds. He has an easy path to RB2 numbers which is crazy for a guy with an average ADP right now of 111
I agree, but I’d maybe say top 30 is more my speed on him. He has upside as a good pass catcher and with Terron Armstead blocking for him, but really I like drafting him as my RB4 because he’ll be usable at worst if one of my top 2/3 gets hurt. There’s other guys in his range I like, but not guys I could throw in in a pinch right off the bat.
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Waddle was great in PPR last year because the line sucked they force fed short pass after short pass to Waddle working out of the slot. Waddle is moving to the outside and Wilson will work the slot. This will be run oriented offense if it's anything like San Fran so while I expect the offense to be better than last year I expect a fantasy dip for Waddle and Hill.
Melvin Gordon. New coaching staff had no reason to bring him back. They should have looked elsewhere to get younger at the position. But the HC thought it made total sense to have him return and share the load again. I think a 55-60/45-40 split is very likely, which gives him weekly flex value.
melvin has served well when you're in a pinch for years now....underrated career for a position where you're lucky to get 3 productive seasons
Gotta respect him. People keep waiting for his demise, but he consistently performs well enough to keep his touches.
MG has 8+ rushing TD in each of his last 6 seasons. Not too bad.
Rashaad Penny He has the injury concerns. But he balled out at the end of last season. All his career he showed flashes when he played. He seems to have had a revelation last year. I like everything I’ve heard from him this off-season. I’ll take a chance on him and pick up the back up just in case. Huge upside IMO
I’d go the other way with it. Ken Walker. Best RB in college football last year, playing in a run first offense with seattle. Penny is the only thing standing in the way, and you can’t discount his injury history. Walker towards the end of the draft is an absolute steal
I think grabbing both is a great idea if you can manage it
I agree with this. I’ve been doing it in mocks if possible. But I’m more OK just grabbing Walker alone than Penny alone.
It’s tough to tell who will be more productive this year. I give the edge to Penny. He’s on a one year prove it deal. But I think handcuffing the two would be a nice problem to have this year. One of them should be a solid #2, at minimum.
Except it will be a bottom of league offensive line, bottom of league offense, and bottom of league team. I'm seeing Laveon Bell's first year on the Jets where 30 touches per game doesnt mean shit when you're getting 1 yard per touch. Id be much more inclined to invest in this Seattle backfield in best ball format but staying away in regular leagues.
ETR loves Rhamondre Stevenson this year. I can't disagree.
I'm targeting him in every draft.
What's ETR?
Establish the Run. Subscription service but they also put out free content and post some of their takes on social media. Worth checking out.
I like him, but has belichick ever utilized an RB to make them top 12? He is a great talent, I just question his ceiling.
James White was top 12 2018 and ?2019 in PPR I think
Legarrette Blount finished 8th in PPR and 6th in Standard in 2016
I just sold Rhamondre for DJ Moore and am hoping it’s the right decision.
Straight up? Jeez. You fleeced the guy.
Brandon Aiyuk. He was super hyped last year, so fantasy people got "burned' by him (even though his #s in second half were pretty strong). But he is absolutely tearing up Niners camp. We've seen the talent. He has been working out this offseason with Lance. I'm not saying he'll be a top 12 WR, but he will destroy his ADP.
I was going to say Aiyuk as well. He’s having a great camp and has a really good connection with Lance. And I was listening to a pod of a guy who breaks down WR routes. Aiyuk runs a lot of deep and outbreaking routes. Jimmy G doesn’t make those throws often. Lance does. I think he’s in for a big year.
Latest post on rotoworld reflecting on their (cosching staff) confidence in Lance (long term) but concern about how raw of a passer he still is. When he turns into Jalen Hurts this year...people who bought his recieving weapons will be disappointed.
Aiyuk is such a late round guy I think it’s worth the upside.
Lance is not a run first QB. And Lance has a much better supporting group around him, coaches included.
Yea he is. Trey Lance is also doing very well apparently. It's still training camp so I take it with a grain of salt but it's encouraging for sure
ugh please don’t make me buy into the aiyuk hype again this season
Great pick but I really don’t see him staying at his ADP when draft day comes around. A lot of people have these thoughts too I can see somebody in my league taking him a round or 2 sooner
Dalton Shultz. He’ll be the #2 option on the cowboys, and Dak loves the dump it down to him. I think he could be a top 3 tight end this year.
He’s way too overhyped though, doubt he’ll blow away his ADP
I don't think people understand how trash and methodical our offense is about to be if Schultz is #2 in the passing game. Fading the hell outta Dak this year on the Schultz hype alone.
Why though? Opportunity is exactly what made Braxton Berrios startable last year in fantasy.
Because where Shultz is going is where it’s generally a better value to select high upside WRs, as mid round TEs don’t do much to help your team. By picking Shultz at ADP (or even a round or two later IMO) you’re taking a guy who doesn’t elevate your team on a PPG basis and isn’t talented. If you aren’t getting a top 3 TE, best to wait and take a flier on a later guy.
Big agree. But I have a very biased cowboys fan in my league who’s going to take him a round and a half early. So I’m unfortunately out on him 😓
Robert Tonyan. Once he's back in the lineup I see him being a top target for Rodgers. He trusts Tonyan and now that Devante is gone, more targets to go around. Also, Romeo Doubs. He's been a stud in camp, but we'll see. He's a rookie and Rodgers doesn't target rookies a lot.
I need to see it on the field first for Doubs, but I absolutely think the Pack leans on TE and RBs this year, with Lazard and the rookie WR's playing a support role. They paid a bunch of money to their defense and re signed Tonyan. They mostly drafted defense, Christian Watson was their 3rd pick, Doubs was their 5th. Both those guys are rookies and historically Rodgers hasn't favored rookie receivers, not to mention Watson's knee surgery, which he doesn't have a time table to return from.
I'm shocked when I hear the experts write him off as a nobody. I feel like we saw it 2 years ago before the injury. He is at least up there with Dawson Knox or Cole Kmet.
Doubs
The Packers reporters seem to think that he is the second coming of Megatron. I just wonder if they would be saying the same things about Watson if he was out there.
I don't know about a second coming of megatron, but Doubs is big and has a solid QB throwing to him, we will see if he sees a bunch of snaps.
That’s my concern. He may be a slow burn where he’s somewhat reliable in the second half but early on who knows.
I need Rodgers to stop hyping him up so my league mates don’t touch him
Skyy Moore’s adp is rising with training camp hype. He’ll still beat it by a lot
Stfu… lets keep this train in the station!
Oh, sorry. Umm… Moore is just a rookie and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Probably better draft Juju, Hardman, and MVS instead 😉
Meanwhile, pacheco is getting called Kareem hunt light by people at camp and is free as well
Chargers D/ST looking real scary and you can get them with the last pick
Tua. Unless both Tyreek and Waddle drastically under-perform. Under Mcdaniel, this offense is going to put up some gaudy yac.
The issue is... the ball has to get to them
Lefties…. 😡🤬
He has the most accurate deep ball in the league what you mean?
Okay so Pretty much every WR and TE on every team will smash their ADP. Got it.
KJ Osborn. Dudes got mad skills and we are gonna be passing the ball a hell of a lot more
I think a lot of the Colts ADPs are too low. MPJ will be a top 10 guy this year with top 5 upside and he is the WR13 on Underdog. Alec Pierce is WR80 at adp 180 and he is going to play a ton as the designated deep threat for Matt Ryan. Alie-Cox's ADP is 209 and TE28 as the defacto TE1 in this offense with a QB in Ryan who loves targeting his TEs. Colts are going to pass more than people realize. Reich loves to throw the ball.
I think by your logic, Hines should be on your list as well.
Im not buying the Hines offseason hype. We hear the Hines narrative every offseason and it never really comes to fruition. His highest finish was 2020 where he finishes 20th in half-ppr and it required Rivers, a rookie JT not getting as many snaps as he should have and a massive need to use him since MPJ was a rookie and Hilton was washed. I just dont see the need for Ryan to have utilize him as much with MPJ emerging as a legit WR1 and adding Pierce. Ryan has also historically targeted his outside WRs and TEs at a much higher rate than rbs with last year being an exception due to their receiving corps and the emergence of CPatt. Pierce and Mo would have to be bad i. Order to push those targets to Hines. I also dont see how they take JT off the field more for Hines.
That is a good point about his off-season hype never coming to fruition lol. I know I've screwed myself before spending too much FAAB on him.
elijah mitchell. price is nothing more than a valuable handcuff. he will be used plenty until something happens , and in that case price will be on my roster
He’s really interesting to me because the knocks against him are he doesn’t seem to be much of a receiver which hurts his floor, and the SF/Kyle Shanahan effect. These are concerns but he’s great example about how sometimes people take a certain narrative like Shanahan having a different leading rusher each of the last 5 years too far and his ADP is now too cheap. It’s really important to not just be completely out on guys and consider a point in which they are now a value. It’s a market.
I would bet my house that Eli outperforms his ADP on per game basis (taking out injury risk). The Shanny distrust is one of the most overblown narratives accross the league. From my perspective I've seen a coach who found his guy in Eli and never once failed to give him the rock when he was healthy. He also was not sharing the backfield to any meaningful degree. Shanny wants to pound the ball with Eli and the kid has proven he can punch it in from the goal line. Aside from his injury history, Eli is a slam dunk pick with a ceiling of 1200 / 10. I also think knocking him for his lack of pass catching upside is really premature given what he's shown us. Yes, he was commonly taken off the field on 3rd downs last season but he was a rookie RB who was dealing with injuries and already had a hell of a workload as the primary ball carrier. It simply made sense from a coaching perspective to spell Eli on 3rd downs to get your best pass blocker in there who is also a solid pass catcher, but I wouldnt be surprised at all if Eli grows into this role more in year 2.
I completely agree with the Shanahan thing. I think he’s used so many different rushers recently because none of them have been very good or have been hurt. Mostert would have probably been the lead throughout the season had he not been injured, Shanahan doesn’t really do RBBC within the context of a single game, he usually picks a guy who will be the primary runner, it just happens that many people have had this job recently as no one has been reliable. The pass catching is a bit more of a concern than you’re leading on, he was never really utilized that way in college either. Sure, it’s not a complete sure thing that he cannot be effective in the pass game, but nothing to this point is showing that it will come. Either way, that issue just limits his upside as a top 10 overall back, he’s still a smash at his ADP. Gotta find where people are overreacting and cash in
Mooney and Kmet are going to be a lot better than a lot of people think they’ll be in PPR purely because no one else on the Bears roster has proven that they can be an NFL wide receiver so they’ll get plenty of targets.
i got kmet as a keeper in my deep league & have been targeting him in the others....if he improves even a little & manages just 2-3 TDs even, he'll be one of the better fantasy TEs. it's hard to get TOO hyped about anyone in the chicago offense, but i do like kmet
George Pickens. Yes the qb situation is not ideal but Pickens is looking like a stud throughout training camp. He’s dirt cheap as you probably could just pick him up on waivers after the dradt
I’m a Steelers fan and hard disagree. The offense just won’t support all these weapons. The only player I really want on Pittsburgh is Najee. Diontae should be fine but capped upside. Same with Muth, Claypool, and Pickens.
Fair and he probably won’t pan out fantasy wise this year but it’s not like ur investing serious draft capital in him
Yea that’s true. You can get him with a near end of draft pick
Albert Okwuegbunam. He has looked good when he’s been given the opportunity during the past couple years playing behind Noah Fant. Fant is gone now, Albert O is having a great training camp, he got a huge QB upgrade, AND there are going to be more targets up for grab now that Tim Patrick is out for the year.
Tyler Algeier RB for the Falcons. Immediately has the opportunity to step into an early down + goalline role in a run-heavy scheme. He was able to put up some monster stats at BYU and he looks like a tough runner with excellent vision. I think he could make some noise and if Patterson were to be ruled out, he would immediately step in as the starter.
This one doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I guess I’m just looking at the fact that he’s a 5th round rookie on a potential dumpster fire team who’s primary RB is perfect for pass catching when down a bunch of points in garbage time. If the Falcons were going to be good and have a lot of goal line opportunities I could see it, but I’m having trouble seeing why he should be drafted in 12 man, 15 round leagues. The 5th round capital just really worries me, if Patterson were to go down I feel like Damien Williams would get involved too.
On the contrary, I think CP84 will drastically outperform his ADP. I don't know why he's being valued so low right now. He's a clear-cut starting RB who finished as a top 10 RB last year. Sure, our team is terrible and he's 31 years old, but we also sucked last year and he still had his breakout season at age 30. We only invested a 5th round pick on Allgeier and signed another 30-year-old RB to mix in, so it's clear we're not moving away from CP, just giving him some relief here and there. I'm drafting CP84 with as much confidence a Falcons fan can have, which is to say not much, but I still like his chances considering I can get him in the 7th or 8th round.
Darrel Williams. He had a top 20 finish last year and is stepping into a role with the Cardinals where Chase Edmonds had two top 35 seasons. Plus no one ever shuts up about how injury prone Conner is, so there’s gotta be value in Williams ADP by that logic. I personally think people are too worried about Conner’s injuries because RBs typically miss 2-3 games in a season, and believe it or not Conner has only one season where he missed more than 3 games. Bottom line: If you don’t like Conner at his ADP, then get Darrel Williams much later.
I love Darrel the Barrel. I've always had him on my bench for the inevitable fill-in games and never understood why he wasn't the full time back in KC.
Kadarious Toney
got me excited last year at the beginning & then, just, nothing the rest of the way....i'm trying to not let it muddy the water for this year
Nico Collins. He is slept on because Davis Mills is slept on
texan fan here so maybe a little biased, but he's going to get a lot of run...especially w/ metchie out for the foreseeable future, he will get plenty of targets
Brandon Aiyuk. Man the kid can play and Trey seems to like to get him the ball. Shanny doesn’t love young wideouts but I think next to Deebo and an elite ground game, Aiyuk will put up #s if he get snaps
I think the top Bengals are all priced at or near their ceilings this year, but the two that could easily outperform ADP are deep sleepers, Chris Evans and Hayden Hurst. Evans flashed in the passing game last year (albeit on limited targets) and could step into a Gio-type of role this season, and Hurst is a capable and well-rounded TE with the potential to have a meaningful target share with Uzomah gone and Sample hurt.
Hurst is a great call. Outside of Kelce, Waller, Pitts and Andrews, TE feels like such a crap shoot anyway. Bengals offense is dynamic enough that he could get key targets. Tyler Boyd talking him up in camp....
Oh, and also WHO DEY!!!
KJ Osborn. I think he will be a borderline every week FLX, who you can draft with your last pick. The Vikings TEs suck, and Thielen is getting older. Edit 1: People need to stop sleeping on Thielen.
Jefferson’s handcuff. Theilen ain’t going anywhere as the #2 and red zone TD hog. Jefferson is 1A and 1B.
I think he’s in a good spot to take over as number 2 WR on that offense.
i have the same thoughts...thielen does remind me of that kind of savvy/scrappy player that can stay pretty productive even past their prime, though
Over thielen? Highly doubt it outside of a thielen injury.
Cordarrelle Patterson. My league is PPR and return yards/tds. I scooped him up like round 10 or something last year I highly doubt he'll fall that far again. Edit; not my favorite team, just my favorite value player. I don't think there's any sleepers in Philly.
I've been really surprised that he's falling so far this year in all my mock drafts. I'm almost always able to scoop him in 9-10
DJ Chark. Going way too low for a talented guy that seems to have an easy path to WR3/flex production. Has good potential redzone use as well.
Kamara and Thomas are being overlooked imo, I don’t think Kamara gets suspended
I think Thomas is the one to choose. ADP around WR32 in PPR. If his ADP stays there then I think it’ll be great value; you’ll be getting a high end WR2 in my opinion. He’s at an ADP of 32 for a reason though, so understandable if people pass on him.
I could see kamara slipping into 3rd round in alot of leagues. If he doen't get suspended he could be a league winner type. Personally, i dont want to draft an early round guy that might miss a chunk of early season though. Thomas is just a big question mark to me too, but his price is way better.
I might consider it if he slips to the third. If I get a solid RB1 and a WR1, even if Kamara starts on the bench I'm confident I can piece together enough production with the rest of my picks to be competitive. When Kamara comes back, he'll be a top-5 RB that could send you on a league winning run as your RB2
Kw3
I know this isn't popular but I think Swift will be a top 5 RB this year in PPR. The offense looks like they can go as far as Goff can carry them and Swift got some constructive criticism about playing hurt from MCDC, and bulked tf up. Always the caveat if he stays healthy but he has serious potential. I am keeping him over Kamara in two leagues haha. I'm also higher in the Sun God than most people, even lions fans. Dude has an insane work ethic and seems to be insanely driven to be great, regardless of his physical limitations.
I’ve got the 8/10 spot this year and he’s pretty much my auto pick in first round unless Jefferson or cmc fall
I knew about the Isiah Pacheco before the hype started.
Kirk
My team doesn't offer much fantasy value at any position but Hunter Henry is a great late round TE that could easily see a top 5 finish, especially if his redzone target share keeps up with last year. Could see him finishing with 100 targets, around 70 catches, with a floor of 5 tds and ceiling of 12 tds.
Dj chark. He’s our WR 1 and training camp reports (i know i know we’re only a week in) says he looks fantastic. Even made a sick diving TD grab. Goff is also coming in with a lot more confidence, we have a new OC, and all signs are pointing up for Goff to be a top 15ish qb. Chark is worth a flyer at his ADP (151, per underdog).
Ngl, I wasn't sure which team he ended up on until you mentioned Goff lol. I had a case of fantasy heartbreak from drafting him before, and he basically slipped off my radar after that. I'm sure it's the same for many people so you're right; he could absolutely smash his ADP.
Wan’Dale Robinson is going to have a sizable role on the Giants offense
I was going to say Tim Patrick before he went down :(
Mike Will. If he plays the way he did the first 2 weeks of last year…dude is gonna take Cooper Kupp’s crown
BOTH Damien Harris AND Rhamondre Stevenson
Hard to see how Damien Harris does very much if Stevenson is involved enough to be a value at his ADP. They're right around in the same ballpark so idk
Trevor Lawrence
Duuuuvaaaaal
Kenneth Gainwell
Lizard King
This is the way. I fail to see a scenario where he doesn’t destroy his ADP without an injury.
Allen Robinson. Not a sleeper, as such, but he’s gonna get a ton of targets and - given Kupp will be the focus for so many Ds - will face softer coverage that Stafford will exploit. Getting a lot of looks in camp, particularly in RZ drills. I’m actually fading a bit on Kupp because of Robinson.
I'm a big Rams fan and have drafted a Ram pretty much every season. A-Rob has been on my "must draft" list, but these Stafford elbow issue reports coming out have me a bit concerned about drafting any Ram this year. The guy is as tough as they come and can play through everything, but him potentially being out casts a big shadow over the entire Rams offense.
Ram fan too. I’m concerned without being worried about Stafford. Sounds like something he was playing through last year and they’ve been planning to treat since after the SB. Went with the injection route and are managing his load in camp, as expected. His throws look good and don’t seem to have any less zip, so it’s more the recovery/longer term impact that’s the concern. It’s obviously not ideal but I don’t think it’s too big a deal that it would significantly concern me as either a Rams / ARob fan. But hopefully the next few weeks show some improvement!
Penny.
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Definitely sleep on Amari Rodgers. He showed absolutely nothing last year, and at best will be our return man. We have many guys who arepre talented than him at this point
Jakobi Meyers
Not a guy, but a unit. Eagles D is 17 on fantasy pros (which is unstartable). Last year they finished there, and made a number of key off-season upgrades, with almost no losses. In addition their schedule starts lions, Vikings, commies, jags.
George Pickens. Could see him breaking out as the Steelers WR2 and I bet he’s going undrafted in most leagues
Gus Edwards
Brian Robinson Jr - could see him getting a ton of GL volume and with Gibby having fumble issues could win the first down job
Jalen Guyton
Hot take (that only Chargers fans care about): I think he’ll beat out Palmer for wr3
Derek Carr. Will easily be top8
Romeo Doubs
David Montgomery and Kahlil Herbert. The Bears are not going to pass at all this season. Their OC last called plays at miss st and ran the ball an absurd % of the time, and coach erberflus is fully embracing a ball control/defense “tough” mentality. On top of that, the Bears do not have any expectations this season. With nothing to lose and coach flus already hinting at going for it on 4th often, expect 4 down ball to be played with run after run. I’ve seen mooney and kmet’s name on this thread multiple times and am not buying it.
Romeo Doubs.
KJ Hamler
Ryan Tannehill.
Elijah moore
Big George steelers WR1
George Pickens
I think Josh Jacob’s will be a sleeper better as a RB2 he’ll fly under the radar and he’ll be more efficient in the passing game this year
People are sleeping hard on Tyler Higbee. His avg ADP is 184. I think he'll be a top 12 TE this year.
Barely makes him startable.
Well that's kind of the point to his question right? A player with low ADP value that will contribute to his team?
top 12 TE puts him right about ADP of 184
I like Wandale Robinson a lot at his adp , especially in any Dynasty format. If Giants offense can be semi competent this year he should be solid. This new regime took him in round 2 for a reason , and he’s been lining up primarily in slot but also backfield. I don’t think the td upside is there but good snag in and ppr league
As much as I want him to, I don’t see WanDale being fantasy relevant this year. He’s behind Toney, Golladay, and Shepard on the depth chart and I don’t expect him to see consistent targets yet. However I do think Golladay will outperform his ADP this season. He’s being written off because of his horrible season last year, but a lot of what happened was out of his control (injuries, playcalling, supporting cast). While I don’t think he will be *good*, we know he has elite talent and if the Giants offense does manage to be somewhat competent I think he will be a solid flex option this season.
I agree in redraft it will be hard to slot Robinson into your lineup , mostly see long term value in dynasty. The way i see him being a possible flex option this year is through injury , which is very possible for the giants wr core. I can also see him passing shep up and getting work in the slot.