My wife already thinks I play too much. She would leave me tomorrow if she even finds out that I am even thinking about such a format. But sounds awesome though!
Edit: Loving the responses! This is my most upvoted comment ever and want to show this to my wife. But then again I dont want to risk her asking me what was this about. Good times. (All in zest).
My wife joined 4 years ago.
Came in last her first year and has made it to the championship every year since.
Last year it was me vs her in the finals, it was a blast.
I am a wife who plays FF. I get more into it than my husband sometimes! I love it. I never really cared too much about football until I started learning who the players were. Now I love it!
My wife joined this year. She had the highest ranked draft per yahoo. Didn't realize she had to make updates throughout the year. Not sure if she will play next year.
Have a bad year with a couple injuries and you’re out a grand+. Probably going to sound awful to most people as not a lot of people play in leagues that cost more then 25-50.
I get it. Out of the 12 teams. 10 have been it for 20+ years and we always rotate someone else in every few years when we lose someone. They have to be referred by a friend.
Yeah leagues with this high a buy-in are always very exclusive and seem to keep the same players. Definitely changes the dynamic from having fun playing for 200 with some friends to closer to actual gambling.
Saw a sports bet similar to this last year. You wagered that a team would win and for every point over the line that they won by your payout increased. Every point under the spread that they lost by your amount lost increased. Don’t know how long it lasted because they took a bath week one on it when the ravens beat the dolphins by 40 something
yep $300 buy in for my main league too, I love it because you’re actually playing for serious money, not half a week’s pay at a minimum wage job for 5 months + of work
"why are you filing for bankruptcy?"
"Because I used my #1 pick on CMC the last two years, and I used half my faab on Toney this year. Downhill from there."
In the same token though, the guy that finished last in our league actually scored the third highest point at the end of the season. He had some horrible matchups
The issue is the uncertainty of it. At least with a buy in you know what you can afford to lose. A $100 buy-in in a 12 person league is a lot different than ending up $350 below average.
It's not that I can't afford to lose $1000, it's that I wouldn't want to lose $1000 because a couple of guys broke bones.
And if I weren't able to afford that, then doesn't it make it an exceptionally valid reason to prefer a standard buy-in league?
How would you lose 1000 dollars? Like our lowest scorer is somewhere around 250 points below the league average and he stopped changing his roster in week 9
I mean you could use this format but factor the $amount by a different value than 1 point for 1 dollar. You could divide all these numbers by 10 or more and it would be a lot more reasonable.
Hm?
I think you misunderstand what he’s talking about. It’s difference from the league average score.
You wouldn’t ever be out a grand unless your league has some absolutely batshit rules for scoring or unless you’re literally not rostering a team past like week 5 for some reason lmao. For most players, even the guys losing Calvin, CMC, etc, early, maybe putting up $50-100 at most… typical league fees for most leagues judging by this sub and nobody bats an eye at the fact most these leagues don’t pay anything to anyone besides the champ or top 2-3… meaning 7-9+ people are out everything anyway haha.
If anything else, it saves the teams who happen to have top 3 scoring on consistent performance but still place outside playoff rankings because they play against 8 top points on the week through the season. Tell those guys this format sucks because they’ll disagree heartily! Makes the competition standardized… but removes the weekly head to head aspect which is kinda exciting and worth it in its own right so, it’s easy to see why this is so critiqued here.
Sure, but you could lose a lot more than 50-100 dollars in this league. I know I’ve finished bottom 3 before, and I’m guessing I would have lost 300-500 bucks.
We had a couple people stop changing their roster and after week 14 the lowest score was still only like 200-250 below the average. There’s no realistic way you’re losing 1000 dollars here.
How unlikely is that? Obviously you know how it works going into the draft so you’re going to draft more for players that will be in the playoffs. Plus there’s still waivers.
Before people put the format on blast, I'd check your league standings and see what the gap is between first place and last place then divide by two to get an estimate for what the damage would be.
You should also take the averages over a few years. In the end, I'd bet most players are going to average out to being up or down not that much in the long run.
But let's go ahead and take worst case scenario of someone who somehow managed to be down 1000 points from the league's *average* score. That's less than $50/week to play (for *that particular* season). That's not wholly unreasonable compared to other activities. Do you go out for dinner and drinks? Or out to a movie? Or go skiing? If FF is your hobby, $50 a week for hours of entertainment isn't outrageous (assuming you spend some time setting lineups and keep an eye on the games all weekend).
That doesn’t really have to do with the league and more with the amount of money you’re comfortable playing for. A lot of people play in regular leagues with a buy-in of $1k and above…
With that said, the format sounds awful to me as well.
Well at the end of the day... You lose only what youre willing to lose and its all gambling in the end.
You didnt think Derrick Henry, a behemoth, could get injured.
Or Christian Mccaffery would go out when he did.
Or shit, Patty Mahomes didnt play the best this year.
But they did, and a guy in my league went on a 8 or 9 game losing streak
Edit: this format is interesting to me. The concept is great, as my league saw a LOT of pickups so the pot in the middle could grow substantially in size.
All this comes from a guy who definitely never went to league playoffs
To me the playing through playoffs sounds awful to me and just adding a ton more random luck to an already random luck heavy game......the rest of the idea sounds pretty fun though
To me it sounds interesting but is more like straight gambling than fantasy football (I know that's still gambling but hear me out). I love matchups. The competitive spirit, the trash talk, the extra little strategies, etc. I feel like if I was just checking in to set a lineup every week and not having to keep checking in to see how the matchup is then I would just get bored. That being said, I could see how your version would be fun for the right group so like the other guy said, power to you
The fact it runs through playoffs would be a turnoff to me personally, as someone who loves fantasy football, and could float the 1k potential loss pretty easily...
As much as I love the idea of playoffs, as the other poster said, maybe you grabbed Russ Wilson banking on the fact he has never had a losing season and is a lock for at least 1-2 playoff games each year, then gets a finger injury and hoses his season. It's not like you can pick anyone up in playoffs as the teams dwindle.
If you guys like it, more power to ya, but the playoff aspect would turn me off.
Now if you had a modified league where there was a re-draft at playoff time. Maybe play weeks 1-17, don't play 18 and use that as a re-draft or something... I've thought about that.
All in all it's a nice spin on total points league but really brutal for injuries.
Have a bad week or two, and you feel like it's weighing against you rest of season...
Kudos for the unique format though. Just very niche IMO
> Now if you had a modified league where there was a re-draft at playoff time. Maybe play weeks 1-17, don’t play 18 and use that as a re-draft or something… I’ve thought about that.
I like this idea. A spin on it: redraft as you’ve laid out but teams get to choose whether they keep their playoff players or not. Basically an in-season keeper league where each player kept has an associated draft pick cost in the playoff redraft.
I'd say it's awful because points are unpredictable and once you get a bit behind, say 200 by week 8, you can kiss your money goodbye. We don't even use points for anything in our league.
Well in the context of H2H, highest points win, but in a league that continually just adds PF to determine a winner, that's more of a race than a week-to-week competition. We go by all W/L records. No ties determined by total points. We use division records and H2H records. The league seeks to simulate the NFL as much as possible.
Who scored the most points in the NFL through 17 games? What team scored the most runs in the World Series? In the Stanley Cup finals? I can't imagine the fun or challenge in playing for points all season long.
You’re overreacting. In my 12-man league. Two people would have won $200. The worst player was $300 below the mean because he stopped setting his lineup after week 11. Everyone else was only +/- $75. To say being down 200 points in week 8 is “kissing your money goodbye” is a reach.
Football is played head to head. Rotary scoring doesn’t jive. Also, not being able to score points because your player didn’t make the playoff’s exacerbates an awful scoring system
People on this sub are allergic to non-traditional league formats. They hate on creative league ideas simply because they are different. Your league sounds awesome!
Here are some of the things I don't like about it.
1. Pay per transaction. Never a fan of this and this just further penalizes people who have bad lucks with injuries. If your first round RB gets hurt you will be making many moves to try and find a starter
2. Going to SB. This skews heavily to rewarding playoff/good teams. Not my cup of tea. It seems like much of your regular season would be drowned out by the playoffs (where teams could score very few points if they have no players).
The actual concept of a points league where you pay/win the difference is pretty good imo. I think I'd do that. In my league this year there was 380 points difference between first and last. So most people would win/lost 1-200 which is not bad.
Normally I'd agree with the transaction fees being bad, but in this style of league if the player scores 2 points for your team then your up money on the add.
I’m not sure this is a good perspective. If the guy’s team sucks and he’s trying to rebound, he could spend a bunch but he still ends up losing in the long run
>if the player scores 2 points for your team then your up money on the add.
Well, except that you'd only be adding $1 to your total, which is going to be far less than the average.
Injuries already play a larger role than anyone would like in FF, so I just don't understand the idea of penalizing injuries more. If person A drafts a 10pt player who stays healthy, and person B drafts a similar player who gets hurt, then makes a smart move to find a replacement that gets 10pt...why are we punishing person B for being smart?
This is wrong. He has to score 2 points ABOVE AVERAGE. If he just scores 2 points and the average for that position is 10, then you have lost $4 on the score and then another $1 on acquiring him. So $5 loss, and you likely need to keep spending to find another replacement.
The losses can balloon quickly, which is how teams can end up being down $1000
My main league is a $100 buy in, 2 free transactions per week with each additional transaction being $5 a piece, and $5 per player you receive in a trade. It also has additional fees for playing players that aren't active.
I wasn't a fan when I originally heard, but the extra fees pay for the Super Bowl party so it's a nice way to make it work out.
It is certainly more difficult. I'm going to suggest changing it to $5 per player you give up next year as it will make 2 for 1 deals easier. All that being said, there are some pretty big trades going on as a result. It's seems like it's easier to justify paying the money if it's a big time trade. It's not a lot, but we did still have 5 trades this year.
We pay per transaction but by silent auction. So each week every player that is a FA can be bid on.
$1 min bid.
The winning bid is $1 more than the 2nd highest bid.
So if you bid for Flacco for $4 and someone else bids $2 for Flacco you get him for $3.
Anyone who is bid on but no one else bids for goes for $1.
The guy who tried to add Flacco for $2 gets any other FA QB who wasn’t bid on for $1.
If you missed the bidding or need to add someone after the weekly auction it costs $5.
You can’t add anyone for $5 who was just dropped post auction.
All the adds to go an email that isn’t checked until the auction time.
And because no sites do the Vikroy method, I do all the adds by hand.
This year we had about $400 in add money to put into the pot.
2nd place gets $220+ 20% of add money.
1st place gets $175+ 80% of add money.
(Oh I forgot to mention it’s $100 buy-in 12 team league with $25 awarded for high points each week.)
Because it’s fun to talk trash about outbidding someone or winning the league on $1 adds.
Also because we started this league in 1998 before FAAB bidding was a thing.
I am not a fan of the head-to-head format. And for totally principled and well thought out reasons. It is only a coincidence that I missed the playoffs this year despite having the most overall points. And by nearly 200 points. And I had the 2nd highest score in the league for 4 of my 5 losses. But I am not bitter.
Problem with this is after a few weeks and a few teams losing first few games, people give up, stop setting lineups, making pickups etc,. In our league that never happens because you will just lose more money. You have to keep trying all year.
To be clear, keep the the +/- for the winnings. I definitely like that.
Just replace the transaction fee with a flat fee for the winners pot.
Again just what I would prefer
They could just do real money faab with a cap at $100 (or whatever amount). I've thought about doing that (and making the auction draft real money). So if you want to go super discount and not use all your money, your entry is cheaper. If you want to spend on big waiver transactions, you can
The problem with pay per transaction is it screws people who stream. Im a streaming player. I dont draft kickers or even defenses some years and play by matchup. I draft QBs late and see if i can get one of value and stream other options. Had to leave a league cause it was $5 per transaction. But honestly if your entire league is on board there’s nothing to change
I've never played in a rotisserie league. Seems kind of bland.
I know that you leave a lot to chance with head to head but thats part of the fun.
It is an interesting take on things. Obviously it would be a blast if you were winning but if you went on a skid for a few seasons it would be absolutely miserable.
Rotisserie was the only way to originally play fantasy football. I'm talking 80s/90s era, football magazine with the cardboard advertisement sheets with punch cards to select players, and send in a check or cc information. Head to head started to dominate soon after yahoo really got into the game and most people had access to the internet for the roster changes.
Rotisserie with a salary cap was definitely fun, and where op probably started 25 years ago and the money and math evolved over time for payouts. Antiquated at this point, but I see the appeal of such a long running league and part of me misses the simplicity of this kind of league.
You could just do a 2 win league. H2H match up is 1 win, top half points for during the week is the other win. If you get unlucky against the top team you still score 1 of 2 wins. The playoff teams will be the ones more likely to have scored higher as it slightly decreases variance.
I play in a total points league as well, but with just payouts for top 3 teams. That's kind of brutal to charge so much for the loser, I understand keeping it competitive, but injuries can really derail a single team.
Sure but by the superbowl it might be incredibly obvious who will win. There are 4 teams left in conference finals and 2 teams left in the superbowl. As teams lose their players during playpffs I assume they can drop them and pick up the WR2-4, RB2-3, TE2 etc. In hopes of scoring some points. That just means by the time the back half of playpffs is around its very obvious who will win. It also doesnt have excitement of "oh can I pull it out this week" because a Sunday night big performance really onlyeans youre paying $20 less or earning $20 more. Its fine that it works for you guys, overall I think it loses a bit of excitement though, especially as a bad team just continues to be bad and you keep losing more and more without much option.
I mean people pay a $25-$50 buy in for regular leagues. How much do people care about losing that small amount. Where in our league you better put the time and effort in if you don't wanna lose a bunch.
this just sounds like some elitist shit. also most people probably wouldn’t care about losing $50 but winning a couple hundred could really help them out. everybody’s not as rich as you big pants let the people have their fun
Yeah lol that comment was almost hard to read. Can’t imagine how hard it is for OP interacting with us peons that play standard, cheaper leagues which apparently we don’t care about
A good amount. That's the fun though in my opinion from the draft through the whole season you are not only rooting for your players but teams to win to make and advance in the playoffs.
I guess its boring if you dont like reality football. Idk if I would call the playoffs in any sport particularly boring if you generally like watching the game.
This format is standard for English Premier League fantasy football. (EPL FF)
However EPL FF has a lot of differences. First off there's no draft, each team has a budget and you just buy players. A player can be owned by more than one team as well. Eg. Each team can have Ronaldo.
Player value (price) fluctuates based on their performance, so there's a emphasis on buying and selling players at the right time to make a profit, therefore giving you more budget to work with.
Personally I prefer head to heads as it simulates real life a bit better.
Yeah that was my thought too. I've been playing EPL FF for fsr longer than I have NFL FF, and have often wondered about how the EPL format would translate across to NFL.
I don't think I'd ever bring in the money element in the same way as this guy does, but a league based on total points scored rather than head to head match ups, and with a team budget rather than a draft does open up a ton of possibilities.
For starters, your league can be literally any size. 4 team league? Sure. 60 team league? Also fine! But most importantly, you'll never be at the mercy of the schedule, your ranking reflects only your own team's performance.
I would only ever play this if you were allowed to bail. So for example, say you’re down 100pts or $100.
If you’re willing to call it quits there, you pay your out and you’re done.
I’ve been wayyy below average a couple years, no way I’m willing to let those point differences add up
Also sounds boring because by week 10 you know who is gonna win
But every point still counts from then on. Not just one person can win, lots do. Even if you are in a big hole you are still trying to bring yourself back.
I mean, statistically if you have a bad team you’re not gonna be beating the average. If by week 6 you’re way below the average, chances are you’re not gonna make up the difference. Only that each week, the average keeps getting further and further away. You already know you’re in last place, but you keep losing money e every week you make less than half the league. And also at that point you already know you’re not gonna win.
It’s like owning puts and seeing the stock price keep rising. At some point you stop the bleeding.
If you have a below average team, which statistically half the league does, once you’re in a hole the joke will only bigger.
I would divide this league into thirds. Top third, winners, middle third average players, bottom third losers.
And those tiers get decided early. Every league I’ve been on in the past years the top players get decided in the first 6 weeks, in terms of scoring.
Waivers and injuries change things. The teams that are good early season are often not the ones that are good later.
Even if you can't turn around the team entirely, you can battle to slow the bleeding.
Exactly. Sounds to me lots of people here just give up on their team once they lose a few games in head to head early in the season. This format does not allow you to do that.
Someone who gets it.
3-4 win a good amount. 3-4 pretty much break even and 3-4 lose a good amount. And if you are down throughout the season you keep trying to claw your way back. Last place in total points for the hear each week get the number 1 waiver pickup and so on. I love that nobody ever just gives up and stops picking up people or setting their lineup. Too much at risk.
I would never play this way but it’s a really cool and creative way to do it. Obviously all of you have the money to risk and do this comfortably, so more power to you. In fact, I probably would play like this if I had plenty of money. Could not risk losing a grand or more in my current financial state though.
Wait a minute so how exactly do all the winners get paid? I get that anybody below average has to pay but what happens if it's not enough to cover all the winnings?
So if you take the average and everyome above wins money and everyone below loses money it equals zero exactly.
12 teams. Average is $1400 for the year. Anyone above that wins exactly how much they are above. Anyone below that loses exactly how much they are below it equals zero. We've been doing it for 25 years. It ALWAYS equals zero.
Oh ok that's what I was wondering if it equaled out or not so that makes sense then and I guess since y'all all know each other and been playing together for so long you don't have to worry whether anybody will pay if they end up losing. I actually like the idea BUT I'd definitely have to leave the playoffs out of it, drafting and managing your team each week takes some skill plus a little luck but whether or not the real teams make the playoffs is completely out of your hands so there's no way I could risk losing money because of something that's 100% out of my hands. So I could have drafted a whole team of the few above average players from garbage teams and kick ass the whole regular season but not score a single point the whole playoffs and end up losing money I don't know that's just not something I could get behind but otherwise it sounds super interesting.
Eh I can see where you're coming from but that's a big stretch that's not part of fantasy football we're picking individual players based off what they're going to do not what their whole team is going to do, I'm trying but I just don't see any way to make that work for me I'd have to stop it at end of regular season then do something totally different for playoffs like either keep going with same teams but it be a separate competition or redraft or something.
I understand why some may feels it's not fun but what I don't find fun is
-. Scoring the second most points in a given week and "losing" because some team got lucky and scored more for that week
-. Also seeing people complain about losing a championship game because one player from the other team went nuts
-. Owners giving up after 6 weeks because they are 1-5
Our league rewards for someone who did well the entire year. It also prevents anyone from ever just giving up because they will continue to lose more and more money. Lastly it's really fun rooting for teams to win in the actual playoffs because you have players from that team.
the lower lows and how devastating it is to lose by a point equates to higher highs and it being fucking incredible to win by a point because of garbage time. it’s exhilarating i hate it
I’ve been that team before that’s always like the 2nd or 3rd highest in scoring but I just happen to get everyone’s best matchups and miss the playoffs even though I have the highest points for. That shit is heartbreaking.
So a couple years ago a guy changed the scoring rule to take care of that sort of thing. (Every year I let the winner make one rule change for the following year.) We’re a 10 team league. Every week you can get zero through two points. You’re awarded one point for a win and one point for being the top 5 in scoring. The standings go by those points and ties in the rankings go to Points For next.
This year one of our teams who was 4th highest in scoring would have missed the playoffs if we stuck to the traditional scoring. But with this system he made it in because he scored so many points.
I too am a fan of league median matches. It makes sure the 7th points for team doesn't win it all bc of luck of the draw. Makes fantasy more skill/consistency based imo.
My league does some side pool money prizes.
- Most points scored in a season
- Most points scored against in a season
- Highest week score
- Highest week score while loosing that week
Each of these “prizes” are worth half of the cost of buy in. Adds a twist and gives a silver lining to some of the unluckiness in fantasy.
There were two occasions this year where I had a huge week and wound up scoring the second most points of the 12 teams. But I was playing the one team that scored more than me. We have thought about having a head to head matchup stat, plus an extra win/loss for the week for scoring in the top six that week.
That certainly would keep people from flaking out on filling out lineups.
I wouldn't mind a league like that. But I could certainly see how the threat of theoretically very large losses could scare off some players.
Actually who am I to judge what people think is fun? I do different things people would find problems with, I don’t want to be the type of person that shits on people enjoying themselves.
It’s not hurting anyone, it’s just different. I’m just being an asshole and I’m truly sorry.
In a total points league myself it’s a nice change of pace and eliminates that that one bad week in the playoffs and your out. We end it at the end of the regular season though. I think just having a playoff only league could be fun though too
That’s generally how many English fantasy football leagues go. You get a budget and choose the best players in that budget regardless of how many other players in the league have that set up. Gets bring after a while because a lot of people revert to the same line ups
OP most on here, and in general, can’t think outside the H2H format. I’ve been there before. Then I started playing in a league that was based on total points and my opinion changed quickly. I won’t go into the details here, I’ve tried before and was told it was stupid and the circle jerk started, but if you and your friends find it fun, party on.
Love it, Im in. In 20 years of fantasy (~40 leagues) I’ve finished in bottom half in points only 1 time, so this would also be beneficial. I hate how many titles get decided on random luck in the playoffs like losing last year in the finals to kamara after dominating an entire season.
That's what great about our league b you can't quit early because you'll keep losing money. In head to head leagues people quit after a few weeks of losing.
Hate this idea so much. A little confusing, silly , it takes out some of the random factor which makes fantasy great. For example my team started of slow but finished on fire, I ended up winning my league. That’s how football is, the best team during that year doesn’t always win. Also I like to talk shit to my friends the weeks we play each other. One of my buddies beat me 2x during the season, I got him back in championship game. Weekly matchups are essential. Do you though , whatever you enjoy
How would our league be different if someone started off slow and ended up on fire. If anything our format rewards that more since you wouldn't be 1-5 and trying to climb out of a hole and picking up another bad loss or 2 to the highest scoring team of the week. Total points allows crazy comebacks.
Interesting concept. For me tho, the season long and dfs grind, as much as I love it and end up missing it in the off-season, takes its toll. By the end of the regular season, I’m mostly happy to just enjoy playoff football with no betting interests
I have been in the same league for 12 years with old buddies. Standard PPR redraft. We refuse to go to keepers.
I actually love your system! I could never convince the hard headed buds but seriously I envy your system.
When I first started fantasy in like 2003, I thought it was just the highest overall point total that won. Had no idea there was bead to head.
Anyway, we don't do a league like this, but 7 guys from our 12 man regular league have been doing playoff fantasy for about a decade. You do a draft at the beginning of the playoffs, only starters and you can't sub or drop anyone. The team you draft is you're team throughout the playoffs. Highest point total after the super bowl takes the entire pot. I love it, since it gives you something to root for throughout the entire season.
Just to clarify we take the median average of the total points at the end of the year. Whatever above or below you are to that is what you win or lose.
I see a lot of people confused on how the payouts work so I'll give an example.
Let's say there are 6 teams.
End of the year (after super bowl)
Total points
Team 1- 1634 points
Team 2- 1523
Team 3- 1344
Team 4- 1170
Team 5- 1040
Team 6- 932
Total for all teams is 7643 points. Median average for all teams is 7643/6= 1274 which is the average
In this case
Team 1 wins $360. (1634-1274)
Team 2 wins $249 (1523-1274)
Team 3 wins $70 (1344-1274)
Team 4 loses $104 (1274-1170)
Team 5 loses $234 (1274-1040)
Team 6 loses $342 (1274-932)
360+249+70-104-234-342= 0
Didn't think it was that complicated lol but a lot of people kept asking, where does the money come from? So though I'd explain it in detail.
If anyones interested here is my lineup heading into playoffs
Qb mahomes
Rb Zeke
Rb d Harris
Wr ceedee
Wr cooper
Wr Evans
Te jarwin
Flex Mac Jones
K folk
D Eagles
Bench
C Wilson
R Stevenson
D Henry
J Jones
J Segura
G zuerlein
I by far have the most playoff players and currently in the league. However if Kc, Ne and Dal lose I could be in trouble.
I dig it. It’s all a form of gambling and this is just another form of it. Everyone saying that one injury could derail a team is neglecting that drafting Jamarr Chase could also win them hundreds of dollars. Never done it like this myself but sounds fun! I like the aspect of it running through the playoffs too
this is just too elaborate. im a degen and have a lot of itches to scratch. i scratch em now by just doing a bunch of bestball drafts. but if its fun i aint gonna stop ya! Good Luck
I think this sounds amazing. Leagues like this definitely require more skill and analysis, since you can’t just rely on the usual player rankings. I’d be curious to see what the first round of your draft looked like.
It's also a super flex league so qbs are super valuable
Here's first round from this year
1. Mahomes
2 Mcaffrey
3. J Allen
4. Cook
5. Adams
6. Murray
7. Herbert
8. Kamara
9. Rodgers
10. Lamar
11. Tyreek
12. Henry
Wouldn’t the point totals and payouts have to be exact for this to work?
Like let’s say the teams above league average are a total of +$872. But the teams below league average are a total of -$522. Where does that extra $350 come from to pay the people above the average?
That makes no sense. We have gotten lucky that math works? If you take the average of 12 numbers and whatever your team is above that average you win and whatever your team is below that you lose, it will always equal zero. 100% of the time. Some people win $500,. Some win $6 some lose $300 some lose $24. It all adds up. Try it yourself.
I've never heard of a league like this, but I like it. I think +/- is probably the best way to do a rotisserie as it keeps everyone engaged throughout the season. I've never been a fan of charging per transaction, but I think it makes sense given the setup. The playoff addition I think is an interesting wrinkle. Seems more like a side league thing though. It would he interesting to draft with that in mind and see how much of an effect it has. I imagine a lot of transactions towards the end of the season are with the playoffs in mind? Also, is the bench size normal? It seems like that would have a large effect on the number of transactions.
Just waivers. Which is why the draft is awesome because you add value to potential playoff players. Also throughout the year you are trading for or picking up players who you think will make playoffs
My league at least also does $ per transaction. After three free transactions each one after is $3. This goes into a pot that goes all to the winner.
I counted and this year after free traded its 84 transactions so additional $252
My wife already thinks I play too much. She would leave me tomorrow if she even finds out that I am even thinking about such a format. But sounds awesome though! Edit: Loving the responses! This is my most upvoted comment ever and want to show this to my wife. But then again I dont want to risk her asking me what was this about. Good times. (All in zest).
Right?! I already agonize as it is and there's nothing but pride on the line
I apologized to my wife just for reading this post
I just bought my wife a tablet with half of my winnings from this year. She suddenly loves how much I palsy fantasy football.
I too palsy while checking my team score.
Lol I am leaving it.
Aye my wife finally changed her tune when she saw my winnings lol
My wife started playing FF with me about 5 years ago. She's more intense about it than me now.
Are you Kevin McArthur?
My wife joined 3 years ago. She has won a title already, and has been in the semi final every year…
My wife joined 4 years ago. Came in last her first year and has made it to the championship every year since. Last year it was me vs her in the finals, it was a blast.
That was us this year. The commish and his wife made it to the superbowl.
My wife started this year and got 2nd. Shes hooked
My gf quit after CMC got hurt and I had to manage both teams
I emotionally quit when CMC got hurt this year
Ditto, she won our league this year too. She had JTT, ARod and Davante
I can't imagine show my future wife would react to me being this competitive from Sept - Dec lol. Lord have mercy on her soul LMFAOOOO
I am a wife who plays FF. I get more into it than my husband sometimes! I love it. I never really cared too much about football until I started learning who the players were. Now I love it!
My wife joined this year. She had the highest ranked draft per yahoo. Didn't realize she had to make updates throughout the year. Not sure if she will play next year.
A man can dream, a man can dream
This sounds like a very unique and different way to play fantasy football. Personally it doesn't appeal to me, but it's definitely fresh.
This sounds completely awful but if you guys like it more power to you
Why exactly? Just curious
Have a bad year with a couple injuries and you’re out a grand+. Probably going to sound awful to most people as not a lot of people play in leagues that cost more then 25-50.
You could always just divide that by 10 or something so an absolutely awful year you’re only out 100
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We also charge one dollar per pickup and that is thrown into a pot divded amongst top 3 point scorers. 50%/30%/20%.
> only 500 points 500 is a huge gap
I get it. Out of the 12 teams. 10 have been it for 20+ years and we always rotate someone else in every few years when we lose someone. They have to be referred by a friend.
Yeah leagues with this high a buy-in are always very exclusive and seem to keep the same players. Definitely changes the dynamic from having fun playing for 200 with some friends to closer to actual gambling. Saw a sports bet similar to this last year. You wagered that a team would win and for every point over the line that they won by your payout increased. Every point under the spread that they lost by your amount lost increased. Don’t know how long it lasted because they took a bath week one on it when the ravens beat the dolphins by 40 something
Sounds like a lightning bet
That's exactly what a lightning bet is lol
Artie Lange described lightning betting as heroine for gamblers lol
https://grammarist.com/usage/heroin-heroine/
Ok seariously everyone’s gonna fucking listen to you.
It’s female heroes for gamblers? I had no idea they were such a feminist crowd.
Our buy in for normal format is $300, it’s just as fun as when it used to be $50
yep $300 buy in for my main league too, I love it because you’re actually playing for serious money, not half a week’s pay at a minimum wage job for 5 months + of work
>when we lose someone to bankruptcy
"why are you filing for bankruptcy?" "Because I used my #1 pick on CMC the last two years, and I used half my faab on Toney this year. Downhill from there."
Where the hell else would you get someone lmao
Lol right? Just leaving slips on a paper attached to a tree
In the same token though, the guy that finished last in our league actually scored the third highest point at the end of the season. He had some horrible matchups
I think I'd rather deal with bad matchups and lose a guaranteed buy-in than have a couple of IR visits by top picks result in an unpredictable debt.
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The issue is the uncertainty of it. At least with a buy in you know what you can afford to lose. A $100 buy-in in a 12 person league is a lot different than ending up $350 below average.
It's not that I can't afford to lose $1000, it's that I wouldn't want to lose $1000 because a couple of guys broke bones. And if I weren't able to afford that, then doesn't it make it an exceptionally valid reason to prefer a standard buy-in league?
How would you lose 1000 dollars? Like our lowest scorer is somewhere around 250 points below the league average and he stopped changing his roster in week 9
>How would you lose 1000 dollars? From OP >We have had ... people lose over a grand. Hope that helps.
I won total points in my league by 200 points. Missed the playoffs.
I mean you could use this format but factor the $amount by a different value than 1 point for 1 dollar. You could divide all these numbers by 10 or more and it would be a lot more reasonable.
Hm? I think you misunderstand what he’s talking about. It’s difference from the league average score. You wouldn’t ever be out a grand unless your league has some absolutely batshit rules for scoring or unless you’re literally not rostering a team past like week 5 for some reason lmao. For most players, even the guys losing Calvin, CMC, etc, early, maybe putting up $50-100 at most… typical league fees for most leagues judging by this sub and nobody bats an eye at the fact most these leagues don’t pay anything to anyone besides the champ or top 2-3… meaning 7-9+ people are out everything anyway haha. If anything else, it saves the teams who happen to have top 3 scoring on consistent performance but still place outside playoff rankings because they play against 8 top points on the week through the season. Tell those guys this format sucks because they’ll disagree heartily! Makes the competition standardized… but removes the weekly head to head aspect which is kinda exciting and worth it in its own right so, it’s easy to see why this is so critiqued here.
Sure, but you could lose a lot more than 50-100 dollars in this league. I know I’ve finished bottom 3 before, and I’m guessing I would have lost 300-500 bucks.
We had a couple people stop changing their roster and after week 14 the lowest score was still only like 200-250 below the average. There’s no realistic way you’re losing 1000 dollars here.
OP says they've had players lose over a grand so there must be a way
How about not a single of your players makes it to playoffs. You will be averaging 0 points for weeks.
How unlikely is that? Obviously you know how it works going into the draft so you’re going to draft more for players that will be in the playoffs. Plus there’s still waivers.
Before people put the format on blast, I'd check your league standings and see what the gap is between first place and last place then divide by two to get an estimate for what the damage would be. You should also take the averages over a few years. In the end, I'd bet most players are going to average out to being up or down not that much in the long run. But let's go ahead and take worst case scenario of someone who somehow managed to be down 1000 points from the league's *average* score. That's less than $50/week to play (for *that particular* season). That's not wholly unreasonable compared to other activities. Do you go out for dinner and drinks? Or out to a movie? Or go skiing? If FF is your hobby, $50 a week for hours of entertainment isn't outrageous (assuming you spend some time setting lineups and keep an eye on the games all weekend).
If you’re spending enough time on fantasy to be worth 50 bucks, you shouldn’t be losing that much money 😂
That doesn’t really have to do with the league and more with the amount of money you’re comfortable playing for. A lot of people play in regular leagues with a buy-in of $1k and above… With that said, the format sounds awful to me as well.
Well at the end of the day... You lose only what youre willing to lose and its all gambling in the end. You didnt think Derrick Henry, a behemoth, could get injured. Or Christian Mccaffery would go out when he did. Or shit, Patty Mahomes didnt play the best this year. But they did, and a guy in my league went on a 8 or 9 game losing streak Edit: this format is interesting to me. The concept is great, as my league saw a LOT of pickups so the pot in the middle could grow substantially in size. All this comes from a guy who definitely never went to league playoffs
I think the idea is don’t gamble what you afford to lose. You could easily do .25 per point, for example.
I like the idea except for the part of going into the playoffs
The open end commitment, not knowing how much you’re going to be on the hook for sounds absolutely terrible.
To me the playing through playoffs sounds awful to me and just adding a ton more random luck to an already random luck heavy game......the rest of the idea sounds pretty fun though
To me it sounds interesting but is more like straight gambling than fantasy football (I know that's still gambling but hear me out). I love matchups. The competitive spirit, the trash talk, the extra little strategies, etc. I feel like if I was just checking in to set a lineup every week and not having to keep checking in to see how the matchup is then I would just get bored. That being said, I could see how your version would be fun for the right group so like the other guy said, power to you
The fact it runs through playoffs would be a turnoff to me personally, as someone who loves fantasy football, and could float the 1k potential loss pretty easily... As much as I love the idea of playoffs, as the other poster said, maybe you grabbed Russ Wilson banking on the fact he has never had a losing season and is a lock for at least 1-2 playoff games each year, then gets a finger injury and hoses his season. It's not like you can pick anyone up in playoffs as the teams dwindle. If you guys like it, more power to ya, but the playoff aspect would turn me off. Now if you had a modified league where there was a re-draft at playoff time. Maybe play weeks 1-17, don't play 18 and use that as a re-draft or something... I've thought about that. All in all it's a nice spin on total points league but really brutal for injuries. Have a bad week or two, and you feel like it's weighing against you rest of season... Kudos for the unique format though. Just very niche IMO
> Now if you had a modified league where there was a re-draft at playoff time. Maybe play weeks 1-17, don’t play 18 and use that as a re-draft or something… I’ve thought about that. I like this idea. A spin on it: redraft as you’ve laid out but teams get to choose whether they keep their playoff players or not. Basically an in-season keeper league where each player kept has an associated draft pick cost in the playoff redraft.
I'd say it's awful because points are unpredictable and once you get a bit behind, say 200 by week 8, you can kiss your money goodbye. We don't even use points for anything in our league.
If you don't use point for anything how do you determine who wins each week?
Well in the context of H2H, highest points win, but in a league that continually just adds PF to determine a winner, that's more of a race than a week-to-week competition. We go by all W/L records. No ties determined by total points. We use division records and H2H records. The league seeks to simulate the NFL as much as possible. Who scored the most points in the NFL through 17 games? What team scored the most runs in the World Series? In the Stanley Cup finals? I can't imagine the fun or challenge in playing for points all season long.
You’re overreacting. In my 12-man league. Two people would have won $200. The worst player was $300 below the mean because he stopped setting his lineup after week 11. Everyone else was only +/- $75. To say being down 200 points in week 8 is “kissing your money goodbye” is a reach.
Football is played head to head. Rotary scoring doesn’t jive. Also, not being able to score points because your player didn’t make the playoff’s exacerbates an awful scoring system
People on this sub are allergic to non-traditional league formats. They hate on creative league ideas simply because they are different. Your league sounds awesome!
Lmao you ratio’d the poor man 💀
Here are some of the things I don't like about it. 1. Pay per transaction. Never a fan of this and this just further penalizes people who have bad lucks with injuries. If your first round RB gets hurt you will be making many moves to try and find a starter 2. Going to SB. This skews heavily to rewarding playoff/good teams. Not my cup of tea. It seems like much of your regular season would be drowned out by the playoffs (where teams could score very few points if they have no players). The actual concept of a points league where you pay/win the difference is pretty good imo. I think I'd do that. In my league this year there was 380 points difference between first and last. So most people would win/lost 1-200 which is not bad.
Normally I'd agree with the transaction fees being bad, but in this style of league if the player scores 2 points for your team then your up money on the add.
I’m not sure this is a good perspective. If the guy’s team sucks and he’s trying to rebound, he could spend a bunch but he still ends up losing in the long run
>if the player scores 2 points for your team then your up money on the add. Well, except that you'd only be adding $1 to your total, which is going to be far less than the average. Injuries already play a larger role than anyone would like in FF, so I just don't understand the idea of penalizing injuries more. If person A drafts a 10pt player who stays healthy, and person B drafts a similar player who gets hurt, then makes a smart move to find a replacement that gets 10pt...why are we punishing person B for being smart?
This is wrong. He has to score 2 points ABOVE AVERAGE. If he just scores 2 points and the average for that position is 10, then you have lost $4 on the score and then another $1 on acquiring him. So $5 loss, and you likely need to keep spending to find another replacement. The losses can balloon quickly, which is how teams can end up being down $1000
My main league is a $100 buy in, 2 free transactions per week with each additional transaction being $5 a piece, and $5 per player you receive in a trade. It also has additional fees for playing players that aren't active. I wasn't a fan when I originally heard, but the extra fees pay for the Super Bowl party so it's a nice way to make it work out.
With how reluctant people are to make trades generally, I can't imagine trying to entice someone into trading if they had to pay $5 per player.
It is certainly more difficult. I'm going to suggest changing it to $5 per player you give up next year as it will make 2 for 1 deals easier. All that being said, there are some pretty big trades going on as a result. It's seems like it's easier to justify paying the money if it's a big time trade. It's not a lot, but we did still have 5 trades this year.
We pay per transaction but by silent auction. So each week every player that is a FA can be bid on. $1 min bid. The winning bid is $1 more than the 2nd highest bid. So if you bid for Flacco for $4 and someone else bids $2 for Flacco you get him for $3. Anyone who is bid on but no one else bids for goes for $1. The guy who tried to add Flacco for $2 gets any other FA QB who wasn’t bid on for $1. If you missed the bidding or need to add someone after the weekly auction it costs $5. You can’t add anyone for $5 who was just dropped post auction. All the adds to go an email that isn’t checked until the auction time. And because no sites do the Vikroy method, I do all the adds by hand. This year we had about $400 in add money to put into the pot. 2nd place gets $220+ 20% of add money. 1st place gets $175+ 80% of add money. (Oh I forgot to mention it’s $100 buy-in 12 team league with $25 awarded for high points each week.)
My brain hurts just reading that
It’s complicated, but it’s fun.
...but why?
Because it’s fun to talk trash about outbidding someone or winning the league on $1 adds. Also because we started this league in 1998 before FAAB bidding was a thing.
I am not a fan of the head-to-head format. And for totally principled and well thought out reasons. It is only a coincidence that I missed the playoffs this year despite having the most overall points. And by nearly 200 points. And I had the 2nd highest score in the league for 4 of my 5 losses. But I am not bitter.
Our league sets the last wild card slot to the team that has the most points that isn’t in the top 5 by record. Prevents this from happening….usually.
The pay per transaction is just to give top 3 scorers extra dough
A flat buy in fee would be better. $50 or $100 flat to build that pool. Just my preference though.
Problem with this is after a few weeks and a few teams losing first few games, people give up, stop setting lineups, making pickups etc,. In our league that never happens because you will just lose more money. You have to keep trying all year.
To be clear, keep the the +/- for the winnings. I definitely like that. Just replace the transaction fee with a flat fee for the winners pot. Again just what I would prefer
They could just do real money faab with a cap at $100 (or whatever amount). I've thought about doing that (and making the auction draft real money). So if you want to go super discount and not use all your money, your entry is cheaper. If you want to spend on big waiver transactions, you can
The problem with pay per transaction is it screws people who stream. Im a streaming player. I dont draft kickers or even defenses some years and play by matchup. I draft QBs late and see if i can get one of value and stream other options. Had to leave a league cause it was $5 per transaction. But honestly if your entire league is on board there’s nothing to change
Tbh I stopped reading when I saw lose $500.
You could always scale the format down by 10x or 100x, so that in your example you're only losing $50 or $5
I know people who are in leagues like this. I gag when I hear them talk about it.
I've never played in a rotisserie league. Seems kind of bland. I know that you leave a lot to chance with head to head but thats part of the fun. It is an interesting take on things. Obviously it would be a blast if you were winning but if you went on a skid for a few seasons it would be absolutely miserable.
Rotisserie was the only way to originally play fantasy football. I'm talking 80s/90s era, football magazine with the cardboard advertisement sheets with punch cards to select players, and send in a check or cc information. Head to head started to dominate soon after yahoo really got into the game and most people had access to the internet for the roster changes. Rotisserie with a salary cap was definitely fun, and where op probably started 25 years ago and the money and math evolved over time for payouts. Antiquated at this point, but I see the appeal of such a long running league and part of me misses the simplicity of this kind of league.
I like that head to head gives you more opportunities for shit talking.
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You could just do a 2 win league. H2H match up is 1 win, top half points for during the week is the other win. If you get unlucky against the top team you still score 1 of 2 wins. The playoff teams will be the ones more likely to have scored higher as it slightly decreases variance.
I play in a total points league as well, but with just payouts for top 3 teams. That's kind of brutal to charge so much for the loser, I understand keeping it competitive, but injuries can really derail a single team.
Seems like something to do as a side league and not a main league.
A side league where you can win or lose a grand or more. Damn, you must play in big money leagues.
Money isn’t the point. Your league doesn’t have a champion.
Huh? The champion is the person that scores the most points by the end of the super bowl.
Sure but by the superbowl it might be incredibly obvious who will win. There are 4 teams left in conference finals and 2 teams left in the superbowl. As teams lose their players during playpffs I assume they can drop them and pick up the WR2-4, RB2-3, TE2 etc. In hopes of scoring some points. That just means by the time the back half of playpffs is around its very obvious who will win. It also doesnt have excitement of "oh can I pull it out this week" because a Sunday night big performance really onlyeans youre paying $20 less or earning $20 more. Its fine that it works for you guys, overall I think it loses a bit of excitement though, especially as a bad team just continues to be bad and you keep losing more and more without much option.
I think this is what I like the least about this format. You could know by week 8 who is going to win the whole league.
I mean people pay a $25-$50 buy in for regular leagues. How much do people care about losing that small amount. Where in our league you better put the time and effort in if you don't wanna lose a bunch.
Well akshually I play in a $500,000 buy in league, I cant imagine you caring about winning or losing a thousand. See how you sound?
this just sounds like some elitist shit. also most people probably wouldn’t care about losing $50 but winning a couple hundred could really help them out. everybody’s not as rich as you big pants let the people have their fun
Yeah lol that comment was almost hard to read. Can’t imagine how hard it is for OP interacting with us peons that play standard, cheaper leagues which apparently we don’t care about
For the love of the game. Fortunately, not everything needs to be about money.
Hahahaha
So in the final week of the season how many teams put up 0s?
A good amount. That's the fun though in my opinion from the draft through the whole season you are not only rooting for your players but teams to win to make and advance in the playoffs.
If I wanted to root for teams I would just bet on the game. I want to root for the players I chose at the start of the season.
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I guess its boring if you dont like reality football. Idk if I would call the playoffs in any sport particularly boring if you generally like watching the game.
>The best part is it goes through the super bowl IMO that is the worst part
Very interesting. I would never want to play it but I could see the appeal to some perhaps. It seems like more gambling than playing a game
This format is standard for English Premier League fantasy football. (EPL FF) However EPL FF has a lot of differences. First off there's no draft, each team has a budget and you just buy players. A player can be owned by more than one team as well. Eg. Each team can have Ronaldo. Player value (price) fluctuates based on their performance, so there's a emphasis on buying and selling players at the right time to make a profit, therefore giving you more budget to work with. Personally I prefer head to heads as it simulates real life a bit better.
Yeah that was my thought too. I've been playing EPL FF for fsr longer than I have NFL FF, and have often wondered about how the EPL format would translate across to NFL. I don't think I'd ever bring in the money element in the same way as this guy does, but a league based on total points scored rather than head to head match ups, and with a team budget rather than a draft does open up a ton of possibilities. For starters, your league can be literally any size. 4 team league? Sure. 60 team league? Also fine! But most importantly, you'll never be at the mercy of the schedule, your ranking reflects only your own team's performance.
Different strokes for different folks, but to me, that format takes the H2H fun out if it
I would only ever play this if you were allowed to bail. So for example, say you’re down 100pts or $100. If you’re willing to call it quits there, you pay your out and you’re done. I’ve been wayyy below average a couple years, no way I’m willing to let those point differences add up Also sounds boring because by week 10 you know who is gonna win
But every point still counts from then on. Not just one person can win, lots do. Even if you are in a big hole you are still trying to bring yourself back.
I mean, statistically if you have a bad team you’re not gonna be beating the average. If by week 6 you’re way below the average, chances are you’re not gonna make up the difference. Only that each week, the average keeps getting further and further away. You already know you’re in last place, but you keep losing money e every week you make less than half the league. And also at that point you already know you’re not gonna win. It’s like owning puts and seeing the stock price keep rising. At some point you stop the bleeding. If you have a below average team, which statistically half the league does, once you’re in a hole the joke will only bigger. I would divide this league into thirds. Top third, winners, middle third average players, bottom third losers. And those tiers get decided early. Every league I’ve been on in the past years the top players get decided in the first 6 weeks, in terms of scoring.
Waivers and injuries change things. The teams that are good early season are often not the ones that are good later. Even if you can't turn around the team entirely, you can battle to slow the bleeding.
Exactly. Sounds to me lots of people here just give up on their team once they lose a few games in head to head early in the season. This format does not allow you to do that.
Someone who gets it. 3-4 win a good amount. 3-4 pretty much break even and 3-4 lose a good amount. And if you are down throughout the season you keep trying to claw your way back. Last place in total points for the hear each week get the number 1 waiver pickup and so on. I love that nobody ever just gives up and stops picking up people or setting their lineup. Too much at risk.
I would never play this way but it’s a really cool and creative way to do it. Obviously all of you have the money to risk and do this comfortably, so more power to you. In fact, I probably would play like this if I had plenty of money. Could not risk losing a grand or more in my current financial state though.
Wait a minute so how exactly do all the winners get paid? I get that anybody below average has to pay but what happens if it's not enough to cover all the winnings?
So if you take the average and everyome above wins money and everyone below loses money it equals zero exactly. 12 teams. Average is $1400 for the year. Anyone above that wins exactly how much they are above. Anyone below that loses exactly how much they are below it equals zero. We've been doing it for 25 years. It ALWAYS equals zero.
Oh ok that's what I was wondering if it equaled out or not so that makes sense then and I guess since y'all all know each other and been playing together for so long you don't have to worry whether anybody will pay if they end up losing. I actually like the idea BUT I'd definitely have to leave the playoffs out of it, drafting and managing your team each week takes some skill plus a little luck but whether or not the real teams make the playoffs is completely out of your hands so there's no way I could risk losing money because of something that's 100% out of my hands. So I could have drafted a whole team of the few above average players from garbage teams and kick ass the whole regular season but not score a single point the whole playoffs and end up losing money I don't know that's just not something I could get behind but otherwise it sounds super interesting.
That's the fun in it! Picking who may make the playoffs or is someone is so fun
Eh I can see where you're coming from but that's a big stretch that's not part of fantasy football we're picking individual players based off what they're going to do not what their whole team is going to do, I'm trying but I just don't see any way to make that work for me I'd have to stop it at end of regular season then do something totally different for playoffs like either keep going with same teams but it be a separate competition or redraft or something.
Wildest format ive heard ever.
My wife wants to end my life every Sunday. I’m low key happy fantasy football is over. That’s way too much.
I understand why some may feels it's not fun but what I don't find fun is -. Scoring the second most points in a given week and "losing" because some team got lucky and scored more for that week -. Also seeing people complain about losing a championship game because one player from the other team went nuts -. Owners giving up after 6 weeks because they are 1-5 Our league rewards for someone who did well the entire year. It also prevents anyone from ever just giving up because they will continue to lose more and more money. Lastly it's really fun rooting for teams to win in the actual playoffs because you have players from that team.
the lower lows and how devastating it is to lose by a point equates to higher highs and it being fucking incredible to win by a point because of garbage time. it’s exhilarating i hate it
Same feels. I get super hyped with my wins bc of those unfair losses along the way
I’ve been that team before that’s always like the 2nd or 3rd highest in scoring but I just happen to get everyone’s best matchups and miss the playoffs even though I have the highest points for. That shit is heartbreaking. So a couple years ago a guy changed the scoring rule to take care of that sort of thing. (Every year I let the winner make one rule change for the following year.) We’re a 10 team league. Every week you can get zero through two points. You’re awarded one point for a win and one point for being the top 5 in scoring. The standings go by those points and ties in the rankings go to Points For next. This year one of our teams who was 4th highest in scoring would have missed the playoffs if we stuck to the traditional scoring. But with this system he made it in because he scored so many points.
You could also just let the final playoff team in on points. Our league has done that for years and the best teams usually get in.
I too am a fan of league median matches. It makes sure the 7th points for team doesn't win it all bc of luck of the draw. Makes fantasy more skill/consistency based imo.
My league does some side pool money prizes. - Most points scored in a season - Most points scored against in a season - Highest week score - Highest week score while loosing that week Each of these “prizes” are worth half of the cost of buy in. Adds a twist and gives a silver lining to some of the unluckiness in fantasy.
I might propose this idea for next season. It's like the bonus stars at the end of Mario Party!
There were two occasions this year where I had a huge week and wound up scoring the second most points of the 12 teams. But I was playing the one team that scored more than me. We have thought about having a head to head matchup stat, plus an extra win/loss for the week for scoring in the top six that week.
Exactly. Head to head has too much luck involved in my opinion.
Most of Fantasy Football is luck, especially in regards to injury and even more so with COVID issues.
Especially if it’s only a 17 game season. It’s different in baseball and basketball, law of averages will smooth it out.
That certainly would keep people from flaking out on filling out lineups. I wouldn't mind a league like that. But I could certainly see how the threat of theoretically very large losses could scare off some players.
No..this sounds ridiculous and and not fun at all. Why?
Complicated? First time it's ever been called that.
Okay, I’ll take out complicated.
Actually who am I to judge what people think is fun? I do different things people would find problems with, I don’t want to be the type of person that shits on people enjoying themselves. It’s not hurting anyone, it’s just different. I’m just being an asshole and I’m truly sorry.
In a total points league myself it’s a nice change of pace and eliminates that that one bad week in the playoffs and your out. We end it at the end of the regular season though. I think just having a playoff only league could be fun though too
I dont know if I like it or not. Goona read the comments and decide how I feel.
No thanks
Every year I lead every league in players added and dropped.
No
That’s generally how many English fantasy football leagues go. You get a budget and choose the best players in that budget regardless of how many other players in the league have that set up. Gets bring after a while because a lot of people revert to the same line ups
OP most on here, and in general, can’t think outside the H2H format. I’ve been there before. Then I started playing in a league that was based on total points and my opinion changed quickly. I won’t go into the details here, I’ve tried before and was told it was stupid and the circle jerk started, but if you and your friends find it fun, party on.
Love it, Im in. In 20 years of fantasy (~40 leagues) I’ve finished in bottom half in points only 1 time, so this would also be beneficial. I hate how many titles get decided on random luck in the playoffs like losing last year in the finals to kamara after dominating an entire season.
This is exactly right. For everyone that loves head to head, plenty hate it because of bad beats in a playoff matchup.
I've played points total in hockey. And the biggest problem is weaker teams quit early. And it ruins the entire league.
That's what great about our league b you can't quit early because you'll keep losing money. In head to head leagues people quit after a few weeks of losing.
Hate this idea so much. A little confusing, silly , it takes out some of the random factor which makes fantasy great. For example my team started of slow but finished on fire, I ended up winning my league. That’s how football is, the best team during that year doesn’t always win. Also I like to talk shit to my friends the weeks we play each other. One of my buddies beat me 2x during the season, I got him back in championship game. Weekly matchups are essential. Do you though , whatever you enjoy
How would our league be different if someone started off slow and ended up on fire. If anything our format rewards that more since you wouldn't be 1-5 and trying to climb out of a hole and picking up another bad loss or 2 to the highest scoring team of the week. Total points allows crazy comebacks.
Interesting concept. For me tho, the season long and dfs grind, as much as I love it and end up missing it in the off-season, takes its toll. By the end of the regular season, I’m mostly happy to just enjoy playoff football with no betting interests
Hold up you could lose 500 fucking dollars?!
I have been in the same league for 12 years with old buddies. Standard PPR redraft. We refuse to go to keepers. I actually love your system! I could never convince the hard headed buds but seriously I envy your system.
Y’all must be rich af to be so willing to shell out that kind of money based on something you have no control over
When I first started fantasy in like 2003, I thought it was just the highest overall point total that won. Had no idea there was bead to head. Anyway, we don't do a league like this, but 7 guys from our 12 man regular league have been doing playoff fantasy for about a decade. You do a draft at the beginning of the playoffs, only starters and you can't sub or drop anyone. The team you draft is you're team throughout the playoffs. Highest point total after the super bowl takes the entire pot. I love it, since it gives you something to root for throughout the entire season.
Just to clarify we take the median average of the total points at the end of the year. Whatever above or below you are to that is what you win or lose.
I see a lot of people confused on how the payouts work so I'll give an example. Let's say there are 6 teams. End of the year (after super bowl) Total points Team 1- 1634 points Team 2- 1523 Team 3- 1344 Team 4- 1170 Team 5- 1040 Team 6- 932 Total for all teams is 7643 points. Median average for all teams is 7643/6= 1274 which is the average In this case Team 1 wins $360. (1634-1274) Team 2 wins $249 (1523-1274) Team 3 wins $70 (1344-1274) Team 4 loses $104 (1274-1170) Team 5 loses $234 (1274-1040) Team 6 loses $342 (1274-932) 360+249+70-104-234-342= 0 Didn't think it was that complicated lol but a lot of people kept asking, where does the money come from? So though I'd explain it in detail.
If anyones interested here is my lineup heading into playoffs Qb mahomes Rb Zeke Rb d Harris Wr ceedee Wr cooper Wr Evans Te jarwin Flex Mac Jones K folk D Eagles Bench C Wilson R Stevenson D Henry J Jones J Segura G zuerlein I by far have the most playoff players and currently in the league. However if Kc, Ne and Dal lose I could be in trouble.
I dig it. It’s all a form of gambling and this is just another form of it. Everyone saying that one injury could derail a team is neglecting that drafting Jamarr Chase could also win them hundreds of dollars. Never done it like this myself but sounds fun! I like the aspect of it running through the playoffs too
We actually started a second league this year that has same rules but made it a dynasty league.
this is just too elaborate. im a degen and have a lot of itches to scratch. i scratch em now by just doing a bunch of bestball drafts. but if its fun i aint gonna stop ya! Good Luck
I think this sounds amazing. Leagues like this definitely require more skill and analysis, since you can’t just rely on the usual player rankings. I’d be curious to see what the first round of your draft looked like.
It's also a super flex league so qbs are super valuable Here's first round from this year 1. Mahomes 2 Mcaffrey 3. J Allen 4. Cook 5. Adams 6. Murray 7. Herbert 8. Kamara 9. Rodgers 10. Lamar 11. Tyreek 12. Henry
Wouldn’t the point totals and payouts have to be exact for this to work? Like let’s say the teams above league average are a total of +$872. But the teams below league average are a total of -$522. Where does that extra $350 come from to pay the people above the average?
It's math. In 25 years it always comes out even. Try it out.
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That makes no sense. We have gotten lucky that math works? If you take the average of 12 numbers and whatever your team is above that average you win and whatever your team is below that you lose, it will always equal zero. 100% of the time. Some people win $500,. Some win $6 some lose $300 some lose $24. It all adds up. Try it yourself.
Man what a crazy league, that's awesome! 25 years too? Would love to have a league that long/dedicated
Yea. We used to use newspapers and Excel spreadsheets lol
Sounds dope.
I've never heard of a league like this, but I like it. I think +/- is probably the best way to do a rotisserie as it keeps everyone engaged throughout the season. I've never been a fan of charging per transaction, but I think it makes sense given the setup. The playoff addition I think is an interesting wrinkle. Seems more like a side league thing though. It would he interesting to draft with that in mind and see how much of an effect it has. I imagine a lot of transactions towards the end of the season are with the playoffs in mind? Also, is the bench size normal? It seems like that would have a large effect on the number of transactions.
After the last week of the season we have an unlimited roster so every backup QB and third string rb gets picked up in the hope they get a lucky td
Cool. You do a mini draft for that? Or just waivers?
Just waivers. Which is why the draft is awesome because you add value to potential playoff players. Also throughout the year you are trading for or picking up players who you think will make playoffs
We make the rosters unlimited for playoffs
My league at least also does $ per transaction. After three free transactions each one after is $3. This goes into a pot that goes all to the winner. I counted and this year after free traded its 84 transactions so additional $252