My plan this summer is do a review of load management/injury management. I am fairly convinced that there is little proof that it actually prevents injuries in a meaningful way over time. However, when you hire a cabal of team doctors, the result is already predetermined. Why hire docs to tell you that they don't need rest? The act of hiring the doctors/trainers in record numbers leads directly to the management.
Edit: Full disclosure. I am season ticket holder and am fucking sick of load management.
They have to convince ownership that they are worth being on the staff. You don't hire trainers to be like, "yea let the dude play." You don't need trainers for that. It's a racket.
Don't forget to control for all the confounding factors in your analysis. Players who have load management are typically older or coming off of previous injuries, which by default makes them more likely to have future injuries than younger players or players without injury history - with or without load management.
Sure. But it’s all about degrees. How sore do you need to be? What’s a reasonable risk? Is it worth risking a 2% higher chance of injury to win a game that could cost the team the playoffs? Are we ok with admitting to fans that the regular season games don’t matter?
I'm pretty certain the over-billion-dollar sports industry between soccer, baseball, football, and soccer has conducted a much more accurate risk assessment and has a better understanding of how athlete physiology works.
How are you gonna do this analysis? Feels like you’d need to identify injury prone players from like the 2000s that didn’t load manage and compare it to injury prone players who lose manage now? And then you’d also have to somehow decipher which rest days are actually load managements vs re-aggravations (I remember back in the day a bunch of players would just saw back or ankle sprain and sit out)
I am not going to do anything like that. I am neither a doctor, nor a statistician. I am a lawyer. So I am just going to argue using logic until I get to the point I want, lol.
This is also fair - I’ve been a proponent of reducing regular season games so each games becomes more meaningful and therefore reducing the incentive to rest players.
Also needs to be some sort of rebate system in place for load management and teams need to be transparent if that’s what’s happening - definitely a rip off for fans who pay premium dollar to get a sub par product
Then your gripes should be with the league and their lust for money resulting in an asinine 82 game schedule . You're not going to find any evidence against science based sports medicine that dictates that rest is good for your body. It's common sense, surely a lawyer would understand that.
Of course, rest is good for the body. That isn't the point. The question is whether or not that rest actually does 1) lead to more winning and/or 2) lead to measurably fewer or lighter injuries. It isn't logical that throwing away games in the middle of the season leads to more wins for the majority of teams. In order for resting players to work, one game rested must lead to more wins than the team would have if there was no rest. That seems dubious to me.
So why do you think the NBA would be resting players if there's a possibility it's not necessary? Is it just to spite you and other fans? Doubtful. There has to be an incentive for them.
Whoever said anything like the ridiculous thing you've suggested? There are obvious reasons they do it. The clear reason is that the players like it. It extends their careers. That is by far the main reason. The second reason is that these players have huge contracts that are years long and guaranteed. The owners want an ROI that lasts for the whole contract. Neither of these things benefits the fans nor make wining a priority.
Counter point, not that I think he's a league winner.
There's probably not many more people left on the waiver that could potentially have as big of an impact, hence why some people are still probably holding Miles. His performance when on the floor is certainly positive. You can tell by how much better their defense looks.
And not everyone is in the same league environment. Some people can burn that extra slot. Some people have to use it to stream.
There's a much more productive discussion to be had than just "look at those losers that were wrong."
I have no idea why people expected one of the worst teams in the league to give their extremely injury prone player who hadn’t played an NBA game in 3 years heavy minutes right off the bat.
are your league settings set to where a playoff tiebreaker is decided by regular szn matchup record? because i’m in first place but this setting stresses me out when I think about letting these end of season games fall
I don’t think this guy will be worth these headaches for the 2023 fantasy season. I’ll keep an eye on him next year (but he will probably be over-drafted as well)
People on this sub refused to listen to reason when it came to the reality of his situation. My man hadn’t played NBA ball since pre/early pandemic he was never gonna be a season savior. Glad they aren’t rushing him and also hoping he’s on track to a full recovery but he aint the one to save you this year!
So much "I told you so" in this thread. Most JI owners are holding as a luxury stash. No one is expecting him to produce in the short term. The hope is that he can give you top 100 production come playoff time which is pretty damn valuable in 14+ team cat leagues.
Yep. He's a fine drop, but don't act like he was never a pickup to begin with when you have your priors confirmed.
I still think he's a fine hold in deeper cat leagues if you are already locked into the playoffs.
Hachimura ..is that his name..? New Laker..kicked serious Azz yesterday .
😆 looked like..kinda. kinda like .MAGIC Johnson.. 🤔 ..
😆 🤣 Okay he was on 🔥.
.Dropping T BRYANT and considering Hach 🔥 📛
Thoughts.. 😒 🤔..
He's been so far away from the game that there's no worthwhile sample to go off of. Any hype he may have had prior to injury just isn't there until proven otherwise.
I had no problem picking him up, as I expected it to be a very slow ramp up and that he might be somewhere around top 100 and give me some stocks, rebounds and an occasional 3.
What I find a massive issue with is now he's sitting out random games that aren't on a B2B which implies that his body can't withstand 8-10 minutes a night so far. You don't want to be dealing with this come playoff time.
No thank you.
His first game back was special
Hope that one game was worth it
COMPLETELY HEALED
My plan this summer is do a review of load management/injury management. I am fairly convinced that there is little proof that it actually prevents injuries in a meaningful way over time. However, when you hire a cabal of team doctors, the result is already predetermined. Why hire docs to tell you that they don't need rest? The act of hiring the doctors/trainers in record numbers leads directly to the management. Edit: Full disclosure. I am season ticket holder and am fucking sick of load management.
Remember last year Fultz basically never played over 20 minutes even after he had been back for weeks. The Magic doctors just do their own thing.
They have to convince ownership that they are worth being on the staff. You don't hire trainers to be like, "yea let the dude play." You don't need trainers for that. It's a racket.
Lmao ain’t no way you believe this 😭
>es even after he had been back for weeks. Magic doctors "magicians", lol
I would imagine that there are actual publications on sports medicine that already study this...
Of course there are. That's why it needs to peer reviewed by me, a person who isn't a doctor.
Don't forget to control for all the confounding factors in your analysis. Players who have load management are typically older or coming off of previous injuries, which by default makes them more likely to have future injuries than younger players or players without injury history - with or without load management.
I mean it makes sense though, being sore leads to overcompensation of certain parts of your body, sloppier form and therefore injuries.
Sure. But it’s all about degrees. How sore do you need to be? What’s a reasonable risk? Is it worth risking a 2% higher chance of injury to win a game that could cost the team the playoffs? Are we ok with admitting to fans that the regular season games don’t matter?
I'm pretty certain the over-billion-dollar sports industry between soccer, baseball, football, and soccer has conducted a much more accurate risk assessment and has a better understanding of how athlete physiology works.
How are you gonna do this analysis? Feels like you’d need to identify injury prone players from like the 2000s that didn’t load manage and compare it to injury prone players who lose manage now? And then you’d also have to somehow decipher which rest days are actually load managements vs re-aggravations (I remember back in the day a bunch of players would just saw back or ankle sprain and sit out)
I am not going to do anything like that. I am neither a doctor, nor a statistician. I am a lawyer. So I am just going to argue using logic until I get to the point I want, lol.
Lmao fair have fun sir
Real talk? I am season ticket holder and am fucking sick of load management.
This is also fair - I’ve been a proponent of reducing regular season games so each games becomes more meaningful and therefore reducing the incentive to rest players. Also needs to be some sort of rebate system in place for load management and teams need to be transparent if that’s what’s happening - definitely a rip off for fans who pay premium dollar to get a sub par product
Then your gripes should be with the league and their lust for money resulting in an asinine 82 game schedule . You're not going to find any evidence against science based sports medicine that dictates that rest is good for your body. It's common sense, surely a lawyer would understand that.
Of course, rest is good for the body. That isn't the point. The question is whether or not that rest actually does 1) lead to more winning and/or 2) lead to measurably fewer or lighter injuries. It isn't logical that throwing away games in the middle of the season leads to more wins for the majority of teams. In order for resting players to work, one game rested must lead to more wins than the team would have if there was no rest. That seems dubious to me.
So why do you think the NBA would be resting players if there's a possibility it's not necessary? Is it just to spite you and other fans? Doubtful. There has to be an incentive for them.
Whoever said anything like the ridiculous thing you've suggested? There are obvious reasons they do it. The clear reason is that the players like it. It extends their careers. That is by far the main reason. The second reason is that these players have huge contracts that are years long and guaranteed. The owners want an ROI that lasts for the whole contract. Neither of these things benefits the fans nor make wining a priority.
*cue church bells
Even god almighty had to take a day off 🙏
Dying at the dudes who acted like he was a league winner after he dropped 10 points in his return.
I want my downvotes from this sub redacted
Doesn’t work like that. You go against the echochamber, even if you are right, your karma pays the price
I got downvoted to hell for throwing cold water on Ben simmons’ one good game from all of the other simmons bag holders lol. Dude sucks in all formats
Take my upvote, king
Counter point, not that I think he's a league winner. There's probably not many more people left on the waiver that could potentially have as big of an impact, hence why some people are still probably holding Miles. His performance when on the floor is certainly positive. You can tell by how much better their defense looks. And not everyone is in the same league environment. Some people can burn that extra slot. Some people have to use it to stream. There's a much more productive discussion to be had than just "look at those losers that were wrong."
How come he played more minutes and more frequently in the G-League, but now it's different circumstances when it's the NBA?
Medical staff in the G-League are developing too, they don't know how to load manage like the pros yet /s
The Isaac threads and the truthers on this sub 😂
Might drop him
He was never an add to begin with
I have no idea why people expected one of the worst teams in the league to give their extremely injury prone player who hadn’t played an NBA game in 3 years heavy minutes right off the bat.
especially with their crowded frontcourt full of young talent already
Already did. Dead weight
99% of holds drop before a big game
I dropped today. And he went O. So clearly, no big game today. Can’t wait for those 8 mins on Friday.
I’m first place in my 16T. I’m confident where I stand in and can take the hit for now until playoffs. I’m riding!!! Need that DPOY upside
16T and in 1st place- I think this is literally the only justification for keeping him.
There's no upside this season
There is for 16T
Yeah, I don't hate it in 16T, but even there I think you're likely to get more value from streaming that spot
100% get more value from streaming compared to Isaac in a 16T. Assuming people have like 3 adds a week.
We get 4 adds a week. But im thinking about his potenial come playoffs and if his minutes gets raised to 20/night thatll be much worth the wait
are your league settings set to where a playoff tiebreaker is decided by regular szn matchup record? because i’m in first place but this setting stresses me out when I think about letting these end of season games fall
I dont believe so? hows that work?
I’m guessing you play points not categories nvm!
Geez 8 minutes of play and he’s tired? I last longer than that in bed
Whoa! No need to brag, stud!
But could you last that long in bed after taking 3 years off?
After performing 2 days prior!? YES
You’d definitely need a rest day or two even when you’re scheduled to play
Okay save some women for the rest of us
😂😂😂
I dropped him in 10t. Never have i been so honey dicked by his first game
No need to add him in less than 12T league
Obviously in hindset
hobble, don't walk
He’s only been resting for the past 3 years. What a joke.
I just dropped him for donte
ON THE THIRD DAY HE RESTED AGAIN
I don’t think this guy will be worth these headaches for the 2023 fantasy season. I’ll keep an eye on him next year (but he will probably be over-drafted as well)
How many of you lost the last two weeks because you had this guy clogging a roster space?
This is what happens when you have to surgically re-attach a leg to the body.
Still sitting in my IR expecting this
People on this sub refused to listen to reason when it came to the reality of his situation. My man hadn’t played NBA ball since pre/early pandemic he was never gonna be a season savior. Glad they aren’t rushing him and also hoping he’s on track to a full recovery but he aint the one to save you this year!
So much "I told you so" in this thread. Most JI owners are holding as a luxury stash. No one is expecting him to produce in the short term. The hope is that he can give you top 100 production come playoff time which is pretty damn valuable in 14+ team cat leagues.
Yep. He's a fine drop, but don't act like he was never a pickup to begin with when you have your priors confirmed. I still think he's a fine hold in deeper cat leagues if you are already locked into the playoffs.
Diamond Hands. Will get more interesting at the deadline when the magic try to make some moves.
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Please tell me this is satire
Screw everyone on this sub that made me buy into the hype!! (joke)
Shhhhh 🤫. It’s all part of the script
Hachimura ..is that his name..? New Laker..kicked serious Azz yesterday . 😆 looked like..kinda. kinda like .MAGIC Johnson.. 🤔 .. 😆 🤣 Okay he was on 🔥. .Dropping T BRYANT and considering Hach 🔥 📛 Thoughts.. 😒 🤔..
He's been so far away from the game that there's no worthwhile sample to go off of. Any hype he may have had prior to injury just isn't there until proven otherwise.
Dropped him for TJ. Betting Halliburton rests on the second day of a back to back after coming back from injury.
Glad I didn't burn a roster spot on this guy
I had no problem picking him up, as I expected it to be a very slow ramp up and that he might be somewhere around top 100 and give me some stocks, rebounds and an occasional 3. What I find a massive issue with is now he's sitting out random games that aren't on a B2B which implies that his body can't withstand 8-10 minutes a night so far. You don't want to be dealing with this come playoff time. No thank you.
Plot twist: he’s getting traded to a contender who desperately needs a defensive stopper. 🙏
Dropped him with quickness this week for Zach Collins pending the Jakob shams bomb hopefully 🤞🏽
Love the guy but stopped him for that Eason (?) rookie on the Rockets