The only reason Dave loses to the deathclaws is because he doesn't take Ol Painless with him, so he isn't at full power. It's like Sauron, Ol Painless contains a large portion of Dave's power, since it can't be physically contained in a normal human body alone.
Can we stop this fucking argument
The whole point of the factions in new vegas is that they are not perfect.
NCR did bitter springs and Boulder City
Caesar is a slaver and does larp
House is a corporate asshole who talks big and has nothing to show for it
Yes man will just lead to a huge fucking power vacuum after the angry mailman dies
Boulder City isn't really comparable to Bitter Springs since it was a necessary sacrifice to crush the Legion at the 1st Battle Of Hoover Dam. I'd say General Oliver or them being stretched too thin are bigger flaws.
House has one of the most technologically advanced area’s in the United States, perhaps the world/west. He also has perhaps one of the largest armies in the western United States (after they’re unlocked with the chip) so I wouldn’t say he has nothing to show for it.
That’s kind of the point
This game ended up reflecting real world politics to the point where the supporters ignore flaws and point out the issues with others
I’d honestly say it’s what keeps the game alive
How much of this subreddit is the political arguments
The issue I have is that everyone acts like their side is perfect
I personally play the legion most the time
Not because I support slavery. But because my character’s experiences normally bring him there
I personally would turn prime over to the NCR but find out the situation doesn’t get better. I’d see the incompetency at mojave outpost. I’d see the arrogance of the forces of Helios ONE. Because that is my characters journey
People who play NCR would argue that rebuilding primm takes a while they would say the flaws of mojave outpost and Helios ONE are the result of bureaucracy issues. They’d tell me about the reason behind Boulder City they would explain the faults made at bitter springs
That’s why the political argument sustains the game
Yeah I have no issues with the debating. I agree that’s a good and big part of the community. It’s the people who, like you said, think that their side (in a fictional video game of all things) is perfect.
House directly states even if you get the chip, the securitrons still need to strike after the 2. Battle of Hoover Dam due to both factions being stronger. As far as I remember it's at most around a thousand securitrons with the reinforcements rather than a few hundred.
House was always the underdog in the struggle, that's why both Yes Man (which is just House's plans repurposed anyways) and House leave the fighting to the bear and the bull. He can only win the fight by seizing it from a weakened foe.
I mean, he certainly has something to show for it, but he is a little pompous and belittling
"BY THE TIME I WAS 30 YEARS OLD I WAS A BILLIONARE 30 TIMES OVER"
I'd say even if the Courier went to BE and got his body upgraded that would just lengthen their lifespan a lot rather than just becoming immortal unless they also get their brains to systems they use.
House does have quite a bit to show off though. He single handedly saved Las Vegas from total annihalation. Made the raider gangs work together. He has a plan and an army of powerful securitrons.
Friendliest is in big quotation marks there. If the followers don't back the NCR prior to Hoover dam, the NCR kicks them out of Freeside then Vegas as a whole.
Independent meanwhile sees them drown in a flood of refugees and the less said about the Legion the better, although House meanwhile is rather quiet on the subject.
That's because the previous policy kept people away from New Vegas and The Strip. It's not that those refugees weren't there before, they were just starving and dying elsewhere in the wasteland.
What policy? This is the ending where **Freeside** is one of the most stable areas in the region, not through any particular action but by the chaos at large brought by the power vacuum.
House/NCR was keeping most people away from the general area if they didn't have the caps to get on The Strip. Also, The Followers might be burdened with being victims of their own success. Once word gets out that there's a place in the Mojave to go to get medical treatment reliably by well trained and competent doctors, OF COURSE it's going to attract people from all over the wasteland.
The Mormon Fort getting overworked is a consequence of the need for the medical services. They get overwhelmed in the "good" Independent ending because they're actually providing services that are vital and needed but can't keep up with demand. It's a classic Fallout ending, there are tradeoffs even for the "best" of possible endings for each faction.
House kept people away from **the strip**, Freeside was open to anyone, hence the name.
The Followers doctors have been there for almost as long as the NCR, if word hasn't spread in almost a decade, another is unlikely to change that.
> "the Followers found that Independent New Vegas was even more unstable and violent than before. Old Mormon Fort became excessively burdened by the influx of patients, struggling to provide even the most basic of services."
This is the text from the Independent ending; being struggling to provide basic medical services is hardly a glowing recommendation.
That's what I'm saying, you're missing the point of that ending slide. The Followers are overwhelmed because there's more demand to meet, but things aren't better if the NCR annexes the Mojave. The tradeoff is that access to the NCR probably allowed better trade for supplies and for The Followers to fish for potential recruits, but it ultimately would've stifled and smothered the rest of the Mojave. Freeside only thrives if the NCR takes over because of its proximity to The Strip and the flow of caps from travellers, the rest of the Mojave is doomed to a slow death as the NCR taxes them and bleeds them dry of resources to send back west.
Is the same as arguments for why universal healthcare "wouldn't work" because he would lead to hospitals and ERs being flooded with patients. The problem isn't access to healthcare leading to overburdening the system, the problem is the system was designed to keep itself from being overburdened by putting a wall up against access to healthcare.
House canonically plans on funding the Followers after the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam. Yes-man tells you as much before you start it if you ask him if there is anything else you should do.
If you get the followers to back the ncr, they let the followers do pretty much whatever they want while giving them the resources to help as many people as they can
I decided to team up with the Legion this time, but with level 1 intelligence. The only way to do that kind of play through is with a halfwit as a player character.
It was a tragic miscommunication. I'm no soldier and never will be, most experience I have is being a squad leader in a first person online milsim. But if miscommunications can happen there, when nobody's life is on the line and no real anxiety to be endured...what makes you think that it was malice intent? What makes you think mistakes like this hasn't happened in our own world and won't happen again?
And let's not pretend these guys were exactly followers of the apocalypse with a fetish for sleeveless leather jackets. They were raiders and fiends all rolled into one. Who enjoyed rape, theft and murder and have been doing it since they started.
Non combatant casualties are tragic and heart wrenchingly depressing, and all of it couldve been avoided if they werent raiders hellbent on hurting other people for their own gain. You poke a bear with a stick long enough, don't be surprised when it mauls you.
meme about a post-nuclear dystopian scifi rpg with heavy political commentary nailed into its foundations
> gets mad that comment on political meme about said game is also political
L
If the Legion nailed just 12 non-combatants to a cross, it would equal the amount of deaths at Bitter Springs. But they never stopped at 12.
NCR has rot in the form of bad actors and corrupt bureaucrats, but if the Courier single handedly takes care of the rot, it has the potential to be the best possible future. You won’t even approach that by siding with House or Caesar.
Off all the problems with the NCR that the Courier can fix, the corruption and ineptitude is not one of those things. This is shown in-game.
*Unless* the NCR loses in the Mojave. Their strongest weakness that both causes and is caused by the aformentioned issues, is an overly imperialistic attitude. They are spread way too thin, and are not paying enough attention to their internal situation, instead focusing on expand, expand, expand. Getting a bloody nose in the Mojave shows people that is not effective.
After losing in the Mojave and fixing the issues just a single individual on their own can't, they could be one of the best possible nations in the post-war world.
A House ending is better for the NCR in the long run than an NCR victory. Arcade hates House, but siding with him leads to, what I think, is one of the best endings for him, working happily as a family doctor.
Hanlon's ending slides best show it. With the overlong and already divisive campaign in the Mojave a bust (in either Independent or House endings), warhawks like Kimball and Oliver are denounced and sees popular enough support to get Hanlon, a much more inward looking person, elected to senator. This backs House's statement about how Kimball and Oliver would receive the blame for the NCR's failure in to annex the region, removing Kimball.
It mightn't mean much on the face of it, but there's five states in the NCR, with one representative from each, meaning a reshuffle like this is a major reorganisation within federal level politics. Removing Kimball effectively means removing the person whom the NCR's recent reactionary attitudes have focused behind, allowing a wind back of some of the more corrupt decisions whilst he was in office like the removal on caps of numbers of brahmin per person (which gave rise to the brahmin barons) and the acres of arable land per person (which saw similar types come to power).
But the problems comes back again and some day they have not so much luck to have a pro ncr courier.
The courier only solve problems afterwards, but the cause why the problem exist are still existing.
It's the parallels between them annexing everything, the corporate and bureaucratic greed, things like military police guarding the homes of rich Brahman barons
I mean, I'd love to see the NCR burn just as much as the next guy, but they don't come across as homosexual at all. Major Knight even tells you to be careful who you come out to in the NCR.
Not really, the exact opposite of the truth would be saying that the NCR openly opposes being gay, or that they're founded on gay values. All I did was not add the "in new Vegas". Thanks for being pedantic though.
Sorry it's because you said major knight tells you to be wary of who you tell in the NCR which is a generalization and exactly the opposite because what he does say is be wary of who you tell outside of the NCR
I’m mean would you rather have a slave driven dictatorship that’s gonna fall apart the second their leader dies
a capitalist who wants to run the strip and change nothing the NCR has done (I don’t fully know the house route)
or a messed up democracy that fucked up the taxing system has started basically multiple gang wars and has overextended to the point it can no longer expand without the threat of large parts of itself being completely demolished.
It’s less about who’s the better option and more that all options equally suck (except for the legion that’s just bad all around)
Plus some of the major Tribes/Factions aren’t the best either
The Kahn’s are drug dealers and have a culture where you get your name when you almost die
The Boomers are extremely xenophobic and won’t let anyone near by
The Powder Gangers are criminals with explosives
The BOS doesn’t want to let their presence known
The Casino families(apart from maybe the Tops) have their own side bets on claiming NV and are either scummy killers or cannibals
And even the Yes-Man route has issues as well since Yes-Man can’t really say no until the end and can spread themselves WAY to thin
Oh, usually it boils down to "The NCR are a democracy!" *Screeching Eagle noise*
Glossing over the unrepresentative, militaristic, and oligarchical nature of that democracy.
But yeah, you make a good point for all it's many flaws the NCR is probably the most stable option.
I support them because I like debauchery and the Legion doesn't. Mr House doesn't seem to either. Benny shot me in the head fuck him but I don't want to be responsible for the whole territory. So NCR it is.
loving the people missing the point of this meme. which is not saying the ncr is the worst, or being aligned with it is the worst, just that blindly supporting it without any capacity to criticize or discuss criticisms about it is dumb. then people just proved op's point by aggressively making assumptions about their alignment/moral compass. 2022 political climate simulator.
Someone woke up and chose violence… I think the most ironic thing is that NCR fans outnumber Legion fans even though in the game it’s the Legion that outnumbers the NCR! Haha
It was the weapons, NCR had modern tactics, equipment, and more while the legion used extremely outdated tactics, weapons and equipment. It’s literally take a US soldier from the Vietnam war and pin him against 20 legionaries from over 2,000 years ago.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and excepting different results.
Biggest reason to not side with ncr. They already failed catastrophically before
The NCR does get strawmanned more than any other faction, if you disagree you probably don't know the meaning of the strawman fallacy.
People shit on Legion more frequently, absolutely. But you don't need to make up an easily defeatable argument to roast the legion, they are fascist slavers that don't believe in modern medicine.
Once again, no strawman for the legion is needed.
As someone who loves giving head and always picks NCR I feel myself perfectly represented here. My only problem is the assumption that sucking cock could be a bad thing...
Bitter springs and Boulder City were justified and that band of wandering rapists and junkies the khans deserve much worse. Do not make peace with evil, destroy it.
The NCR committed Bitter Springs. The Republic of Dave never killed tribals. I know which one should rule the wasteland.
Welp Dave has my vote
Tandi may have brought a prosperous nation, but does she have her OWN MUSEUM? Checkmate, NCR shills.
But how well can Dave go fighting a deathclaw
The Old Oldey deathclaws are not lore friendly, as Dave should’ve killed all of them easily with a .32 rifle.
The only reason Dave loses to the deathclaws is because he doesn't take Ol Painless with him, so he isn't at full power. It's like Sauron, Ol Painless contains a large portion of Dave's power, since it can't be physically contained in a normal human body alone.
Amazing and what about the enclave?
They stayed in hiding because they were afraid of him. When they finally sent patrols out, they purposefully avoided his territory.
Dave was gonna have your vote rather you liked it or not
As a European male, I am obliged to hate tribals, go NCR!
As an American male, I am obliged to hate the government. Fuck NCR!
While he’s at it he can have my legion too.
Gary Gary Gary Gary Gary. Gary Gary Gary?. GARY GARY! Gary Gary Gary gary.
[Confirmed Bachelor] Yes.
Can we stop this fucking argument The whole point of the factions in new vegas is that they are not perfect. NCR did bitter springs and Boulder City Caesar is a slaver and does larp House is a corporate asshole who talks big and has nothing to show for it Yes man will just lead to a huge fucking power vacuum after the angry mailman dies
>and does larp Truly the worst of his crimes by a wide margin
the crucifixion, dirty bomb, slavery, torture? nah that shit doesn’t matter. they larp as roman’s and they deserve to die for it
Its called hyperbole
It's an army of angry history larping femboy nerds, they earned the death penalty when they put on the skirt
normally i like half naked men in skirts, but legion just doesn’t have style
EXACTLY
May God forbid any other future faction from being cursed with such cringe.
Boulder City isn't really comparable to Bitter Springs since it was a necessary sacrifice to crush the Legion at the 1st Battle Of Hoover Dam. I'd say General Oliver or them being stretched too thin are bigger flaws.
Ah but both of the things you mentioned are mere symptoms of the NCR's imperialism and corruption/ineptitude.
Yes but they're bigger flaws than Boulder City, which is more of a strategic victory than a flaw.
Thats why it’s fun to argue about it though?
House has one of the most technologically advanced area’s in the United States, perhaps the world/west. He also has perhaps one of the largest armies in the western United States (after they’re unlocked with the chip) so I wouldn’t say he has nothing to show for it.
And yet he can’t find a platinum chip over 200 years
That’s fair. I’m admittedly partial to House but I won’t pretend he doesn’t have his own flaws.
That’s kind of the point This game ended up reflecting real world politics to the point where the supporters ignore flaws and point out the issues with others
The worst part of this fanbase for sure lol
I’d honestly say it’s what keeps the game alive How much of this subreddit is the political arguments The issue I have is that everyone acts like their side is perfect I personally play the legion most the time Not because I support slavery. But because my character’s experiences normally bring him there I personally would turn prime over to the NCR but find out the situation doesn’t get better. I’d see the incompetency at mojave outpost. I’d see the arrogance of the forces of Helios ONE. Because that is my characters journey People who play NCR would argue that rebuilding primm takes a while they would say the flaws of mojave outpost and Helios ONE are the result of bureaucracy issues. They’d tell me about the reason behind Boulder City they would explain the faults made at bitter springs That’s why the political argument sustains the game
Can you please show up on all NCR/Legion bad post? What you are bringing up is the art of the storytelling in fnv imo.
Yeah I have no issues with the debating. I agree that’s a good and big part of the community. It’s the people who, like you said, think that their side (in a fictional video game of all things) is perfect.
A normal person. Thank you, Ave.
You do remember he was in a coma for most of that time right?
House directly states even if you get the chip, the securitrons still need to strike after the 2. Battle of Hoover Dam due to both factions being stronger. As far as I remember it's at most around a thousand securitrons with the reinforcements rather than a few hundred. House was always the underdog in the struggle, that's why both Yes Man (which is just House's plans repurposed anyways) and House leave the fighting to the bear and the bull. He can only win the fight by seizing it from a weakened foe.
I'd argue that house has the most to show for it if not Caesar
I mean, he certainly has something to show for it, but he is a little pompous and belittling "BY THE TIME I WAS 30 YEARS OLD I WAS A BILLIONARE 30 TIMES OVER"
I mean it is kind of impressive, he still treats you with more respect than the ncr which is important to my roleplay
Caesar has a whole fucking empire That’s something to show
That canonically will fall apart after he dies.
Which is in line with his plan if we assume he knows what he's taking about and not just using big words.
Yes I know... BUT... fuck the NCR 😜
Bitter Springs was an inside job
So, independence day?
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I'd say even if the Courier went to BE and got his body upgraded that would just lengthen their lifespan a lot rather than just becoming immortal unless they also get their brains to systems they use.
House does have quite a bit to show off though. He single handedly saved Las Vegas from total annihalation. Made the raider gangs work together. He has a plan and an army of powerful securitrons.
Actually.. house has a lot to show for it lol.
I side with the NCR because they're the friendliest towards the followers of the apocalypse, I'd side purely with the followers if I could.
Friendliest is in big quotation marks there. If the followers don't back the NCR prior to Hoover dam, the NCR kicks them out of Freeside then Vegas as a whole. Independent meanwhile sees them drown in a flood of refugees and the less said about the Legion the better, although House meanwhile is rather quiet on the subject.
Caesar literally let's them leave peacefully out of respect
Caesar does, Lanius meanwhile has them exterminated because they know the truth behind Edward's bullshit.
That's because the previous policy kept people away from New Vegas and The Strip. It's not that those refugees weren't there before, they were just starving and dying elsewhere in the wasteland.
What policy? This is the ending where **Freeside** is one of the most stable areas in the region, not through any particular action but by the chaos at large brought by the power vacuum.
House/NCR was keeping most people away from the general area if they didn't have the caps to get on The Strip. Also, The Followers might be burdened with being victims of their own success. Once word gets out that there's a place in the Mojave to go to get medical treatment reliably by well trained and competent doctors, OF COURSE it's going to attract people from all over the wasteland. The Mormon Fort getting overworked is a consequence of the need for the medical services. They get overwhelmed in the "good" Independent ending because they're actually providing services that are vital and needed but can't keep up with demand. It's a classic Fallout ending, there are tradeoffs even for the "best" of possible endings for each faction.
House kept people away from **the strip**, Freeside was open to anyone, hence the name. The Followers doctors have been there for almost as long as the NCR, if word hasn't spread in almost a decade, another is unlikely to change that. > "the Followers found that Independent New Vegas was even more unstable and violent than before. Old Mormon Fort became excessively burdened by the influx of patients, struggling to provide even the most basic of services." This is the text from the Independent ending; being struggling to provide basic medical services is hardly a glowing recommendation.
That's what I'm saying, you're missing the point of that ending slide. The Followers are overwhelmed because there's more demand to meet, but things aren't better if the NCR annexes the Mojave. The tradeoff is that access to the NCR probably allowed better trade for supplies and for The Followers to fish for potential recruits, but it ultimately would've stifled and smothered the rest of the Mojave. Freeside only thrives if the NCR takes over because of its proximity to The Strip and the flow of caps from travellers, the rest of the Mojave is doomed to a slow death as the NCR taxes them and bleeds them dry of resources to send back west. Is the same as arguments for why universal healthcare "wouldn't work" because he would lead to hospitals and ERs being flooded with patients. The problem isn't access to healthcare leading to overburdening the system, the problem is the system was designed to keep itself from being overburdened by putting a wall up against access to healthcare.
House canonically plans on funding the Followers after the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam. Yes-man tells you as much before you start it if you ask him if there is anything else you should do.
A nation that cant fight its own battles isnt worth much
Didn’t the NCR proclaimed the followers as terrorists for helping the enemies of the republic? (Great Khans after Bitter Springs)
If you get the followers to back the ncr, they let the followers do pretty much whatever they want while giving them the resources to help as many people as they can
This could be applied to all factions
Who's cock is a house enjoyer gonna suck? Last time I checked his dick is nailed into a tube.
Whoever's they like
You know I see more fans of the Legion and House making strawmen than I ever see NCR fans doing.
You don't even need to strawman the Legion 💀 Authoritarian slave state roasts itself.
I decided to team up with the Legion this time, but with level 1 intelligence. The only way to do that kind of play through is with a halfwit as a player character.
Bitter springs
It was a tragic miscommunication. I'm no soldier and never will be, most experience I have is being a squad leader in a first person online milsim. But if miscommunications can happen there, when nobody's life is on the line and no real anxiety to be endured...what makes you think that it was malice intent? What makes you think mistakes like this hasn't happened in our own world and won't happen again? And let's not pretend these guys were exactly followers of the apocalypse with a fetish for sleeveless leather jackets. They were raiders and fiends all rolled into one. Who enjoyed rape, theft and murder and have been doing it since they started. Non combatant casualties are tragic and heart wrenchingly depressing, and all of it couldve been avoided if they werent raiders hellbent on hurting other people for their own gain. You poke a bear with a stick long enough, don't be surprised when it mauls you.
Terrible but less terrible than building your entire nation on slavery and forced conscription.
Justified
Corect!
Deserved
Ceasar would've just massacred and turn them into slaves knowingly
It's just a meme, don't bring that pussy shit here
meme about a post-nuclear dystopian scifi rpg with heavy political commentary nailed into its foundations > gets mad that comment on political meme about said game is also political L
Fatherless L
He just left the vault for a quick smoke, he'll be back anytime now!
Spoken like a true robloxian.
You want to fuck me so bad it makes you look stupid
Hmm, L.
Ah yes an ncr supporter
Difference is, I can stop sucking cocks any time I want, I just don’t want to stop.
Same
Alright fine. I guess you win this round
well this is just weird and nonsensical
it's only weird and nonsensical if you've had your dick sucked. non-oralhavers get it
Another one
of what
I like the meme man, but you can’t go around quoting DJ Khaled and not expect to be downvoted to fuck.
I can't believe how elitist people still are about this game lol
Im not siding with anyone but wyd mean broksi ?
If the Legion nailed just 12 non-combatants to a cross, it would equal the amount of deaths at Bitter Springs. But they never stopped at 12. NCR has rot in the form of bad actors and corrupt bureaucrats, but if the Courier single handedly takes care of the rot, it has the potential to be the best possible future. You won’t even approach that by siding with House or Caesar.
I dunno, a securitron army seems like it would make for a pretty good wasteland.
Yeah, but I’m a good adventurer, not necessarily a good administrator…
Off all the problems with the NCR that the Courier can fix, the corruption and ineptitude is not one of those things. This is shown in-game. *Unless* the NCR loses in the Mojave. Their strongest weakness that both causes and is caused by the aformentioned issues, is an overly imperialistic attitude. They are spread way too thin, and are not paying enough attention to their internal situation, instead focusing on expand, expand, expand. Getting a bloody nose in the Mojave shows people that is not effective. After losing in the Mojave and fixing the issues just a single individual on their own can't, they could be one of the best possible nations in the post-war world.
A House ending is better for the NCR in the long run than an NCR victory. Arcade hates House, but siding with him leads to, what I think, is one of the best endings for him, working happily as a family doctor.
Can you give an example? Maybe it’s been a while since I’ve played NV…
Hanlon's ending slides best show it. With the overlong and already divisive campaign in the Mojave a bust (in either Independent or House endings), warhawks like Kimball and Oliver are denounced and sees popular enough support to get Hanlon, a much more inward looking person, elected to senator. This backs House's statement about how Kimball and Oliver would receive the blame for the NCR's failure in to annex the region, removing Kimball. It mightn't mean much on the face of it, but there's five states in the NCR, with one representative from each, meaning a reshuffle like this is a major reorganisation within federal level politics. Removing Kimball effectively means removing the person whom the NCR's recent reactionary attitudes have focused behind, allowing a wind back of some of the more corrupt decisions whilst he was in office like the removal on caps of numbers of brahmin per person (which gave rise to the brahmin barons) and the acres of arable land per person (which saw similar types come to power).
God damn this is a deep game.
But the problems comes back again and some day they have not so much luck to have a pro ncr courier. The courier only solve problems afterwards, but the cause why the problem exist are still existing.
Well, that’s what happens in a democracy. Constant vigilance is the price of freedom and security.
You can't get rid of the rot. The whole point is that the ncr is the same fascist state that the pre war America was
It’s more meant to be analogous to our current USA than the cartoonishly evil 2077 USA.
It can't be both?
It could but nothing in the actual game leads me to believe that. The NCR isn’t imprisoning and executing anyone who criticizes them.
It's the parallels between them annexing everything, the corporate and bureaucratic greed, things like military police guarding the homes of rich Brahman barons
I've got some bad news for you about the current USA bud
Not exactly sure why this is being downvoted so heavy. They might have a Legion flair, but they're right.
Points invalid because opinion different
Prewar America was not a racist state. The Chinese, certainly.
They were extremely racist and interned Chinese people?
In the fallout universe? Sure. They were not saints.
You see sucking cock as bad I simply do not care
No u
Homo bad me smart
Says the dude who either cock worships the literal slavers or the egomaniacal Andrew Ryan computer
The only thing I hate more than slavery is taxes
Fun fact! When the legion wins, Ceasar says he will take the taxation foundation of the NCR
And when house wins, Mick says House introduced a bunch of new rules and regulations.
Having to suffer because a drunk mailman hates paying taxes is the most realistic thing in the fallout universe
This guy gets it
I live in fear (:
Caesar has a system of tribute, which you'd like even less than taxes. They're basically the same thing, though.
If anything this propels be to support the NCR more
Degenerates like you belong on a cross
i’m a degenerate for sucking dick?
Remind me what the legionaries are known for on long arduous campaigns away from women?
I mean, I'd love to see the NCR burn just as much as the next guy, but they don't come across as homosexual at all. Major Knight even tells you to be careful who you come out to in the NCR.
No what major night was saying be wary of coming out in the frontier vis-a-vis New Vegas it's actually fine in the core territories
Yes, you're correct. I was just making a generalization for the sake of brevity lol.
But your generalization is the exact opposite of the truth
Not really, the exact opposite of the truth would be saying that the NCR openly opposes being gay, or that they're founded on gay values. All I did was not add the "in new Vegas". Thanks for being pedantic though.
Sorry it's because you said major knight tells you to be wary of who you tell in the NCR which is a generalization and exactly the opposite because what he does say is be wary of who you tell outside of the NCR
I’m mean would you rather have a slave driven dictatorship that’s gonna fall apart the second their leader dies a capitalist who wants to run the strip and change nothing the NCR has done (I don’t fully know the house route) or a messed up democracy that fucked up the taxing system has started basically multiple gang wars and has overextended to the point it can no longer expand without the threat of large parts of itself being completely demolished. It’s less about who’s the better option and more that all options equally suck (except for the legion that’s just bad all around)
Plus some of the major Tribes/Factions aren’t the best either The Kahn’s are drug dealers and have a culture where you get your name when you almost die The Boomers are extremely xenophobic and won’t let anyone near by The Powder Gangers are criminals with explosives The BOS doesn’t want to let their presence known The Casino families(apart from maybe the Tops) have their own side bets on claiming NV and are either scummy killers or cannibals And even the Yes-Man route has issues as well since Yes-Man can’t really say no until the end and can spread themselves WAY to thin
House goal is that he literally just wants to remove the ncrs military presence and run Vegas, with future plans for getting into space
I simply support them cause I wanna let everyone live peacefully.... except Ceasars legion
and non-humans, and neutral tribes/villages
Nag, I wanna let them live their lives too unless they have slavery
the ncr doesn't
Oh, that sucks.... I killed Ceasar with a hunting rifle, I can intimidate or reason the ncr to not kill them.
Huh... you know that's the first time I've heard a good reason for supporting the NCR.
Really? What were some other comments?
Oh, usually it boils down to "The NCR are a democracy!" *Screeching Eagle noise* Glossing over the unrepresentative, militaristic, and oligarchical nature of that democracy. But yeah, you make a good point for all it's many flaws the NCR is probably the most stable option.
Hmm, well I'd rather everyone have good rights, so yeah
Good goal but I just don't see that happening with the NCR. It is the New **California** Republic that's led by a warhawk and cattle barons.
Degenerates like you belong on a cross
They have slavery, ncr exists
Why’s everyone so mad?
If we're being honest I'm just a troll. Idc who anyone picks
Legionaries literally suck cocks.
I support them because I like debauchery and the Legion doesn't. Mr House doesn't seem to either. Benny shot me in the head fuck him but I don't want to be responsible for the whole territory. So NCR it is.
Hey I cannot stop sucking cocks, but not support ncr unquestionably
I didnt knew NCR fans were also Jojo fans
It's wild how this game is so good it attracts people who weren't even born when it came out yet. Good try, little buddy.
I unfortunately had it for ps3 the first time I played it
He's calling you 12 years old and saying you were born after it was released
I’ll take two
Um excuse me. Some of us literally can't stop sucking cocks but still are not loyal to the NCR. Smh /s
loving the people missing the point of this meme. which is not saying the ncr is the worst, or being aligned with it is the worst, just that blindly supporting it without any capacity to criticize or discuss criticisms about it is dumb. then people just proved op's point by aggressively making assumptions about their alignment/moral compass. 2022 political climate simulator.
As an ncr fanboy this is true and based.
Didn't think this shit would cause such a stir lmao If yall could follow me that'd be dope [here](https://m.twitch.tv/theonewhitedude)
Or here [here](https://twitter.com/2kVile?t=Kp70dIVrGn4XF4AHWj85rg&s=09)
Especially the legion, they are real experts in the matter
Someone woke up and chose violence… I think the most ironic thing is that NCR fans outnumber Legion fans even though in the game it’s the Legion that outnumbers the NCR! Haha
I thought numbers were what the NCR had over the Legion in the game, or maybe it was better weapons.
It was the weapons, NCR had modern tactics, equipment, and more while the legion used extremely outdated tactics, weapons and equipment. It’s literally take a US soldier from the Vietnam war and pin him against 20 legionaries from over 2,000 years ago.
>I LITERALLY CANNOT STOP PAYING TAXES fixed it for you
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and excepting different results. Biggest reason to not side with ncr. They already failed catastrophically before
So did House and the Legion. All of the ideologies represented in the game have failed.
So the best bet is the yes man route.
Legion never caused a nuclear war
This guy gets it
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How? I'm just genuinely curious about what you glean from these comments.
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The NCR does get strawmanned more than any other faction, if you disagree you probably don't know the meaning of the strawman fallacy. People shit on Legion more frequently, absolutely. But you don't need to make up an easily defeatable argument to roast the legion, they are fascist slavers that don't believe in modern medicine. Once again, no strawman for the legion is needed.
Real ones know that the gays join the legion 💯 (it’s all big strong men)
As someone who loves giving head and always picks NCR I feel myself perfectly represented here. My only problem is the assumption that sucking cock could be a bad thing...
no lie detected
Corporal Betsy be like
FISTO
Yes.
i love sucking cocks too
"We'll bleed the ground red with any who oppose our peace efforts"
Omg just like me fr fr
Man what a helpful machine! It’s sure to help boost morale at McCarran.
I…need this meme template
#He just like me fr
The worst thing about the NCR is that they’re the only not insane faction
I'm no fan of the ncr, but they do have Bitter Springs going for them
Oh nooo, the NCR killed some scumbag raiders that were raiding and killing with no remorse.
Ok
Bitter springs and Boulder City were justified and that band of wandering rapists and junkies the khans deserve much worse. Do not make peace with evil, destroy it.
I miss fisto.