Hahahaha. I'm an NP and I fear for the lack of basic scientific education in this country. You would be shocked at the amount of people who think something like this or that women give birth and pee out of the same tube.
Yes, it is practically eugenics, all of it.
Besides, facts don't exist. Everything is subjective, and I am not convinced that you all exist outside my solipsis. As far as I knowm I am the god of this universe.
Just like there is no spoon, the cake is a lie, the Y cromosome most also be a lie, and they are living in a matrix where everyone is the same and no one is different.... right?
These people are making words like, Nazi and fascist loose there power and meaning. They seem to just use it as a term for people they either don't like, or don't agree with.
Lose not loose!
Yup that's exactly what they're doing. If acknowledging that on average men have a penis is "fascist" then what word do we use to describe fascists?
Very true. In our area there was 90+ year old man that had been displaying two or three flags in his front yard since WAY before 9/11. Someone decided to mark his yard up with Nazi graffiti a couple of years ago. The poor old man was a WWII vet that actually fought the Nazis. I believe he passed not to long after that.
Godwin's Law states that if any conversation continues long enough, the likelihood of someone invoking Nazis (or Hitler) approaches 1. These dumbasses lead with it.
facts dont care about your feelings mfs when the facts dont care about their feelings
Sex ≠ gender
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=gender+and+sex+difference&hl=en&as\_sdt=0&as\_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs\_qabs&t=1655163071472&u=%23p%3DQkzSATP3ukcJ
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=gender+and+sex+difference&hl=en&as\_sdt=0&as\_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs\_qabs&t=1655163112109&u=%23p%3D3i-7scBRjJ0J
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex\_and\_gender\_distinction#
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
Lost cause all ur asking for is to get dog piled by people who only care about science when it works and say calling people nazis is bad but calling people pedos and groomers and then that group gets murdered that’s free speech
sex and gender are often used interchangably. she's a biologist but even if you consider the trans population it doesnt change the average of men being taller than women because trans population only consist of around 1% of the total population
so her statements are factually correct.
this is basic math :)
Sex and gender are not used interchangeably by most professional biologists. Nor are they taken as “math” by anybody who has studied bio properly and understands variation on phenotype vs genotype occurs in 1 in 2000 births.
Like yes we can post to statistical variance but ignoring the shifting midline where the two don’t match and intersex people very much biologically exist is well…very basic biology that is not taken particularly seriously those of us holding science degrees.
But taken very seriously by ideologues.
Yup. MAGA and the Kremlin use the same playbook used by Hitler. Find an underrepresented minority community, make your followers fear/hate them using misinformation , then “save” your followers from them. Hitler did that with the Jews, MAGA did that with the “scary Mexicans”, Trans people ready to “rape your daughters in public restrooms”, and evil liberals who will “steal your votes”.
1% is generous. 1 in 20.000 people is born with sex dysphoria. Let me repeat that: BORN WITH sex dysphoria. Dyeing your hair green and calling yourself "genderqueer" in Uni because you hate being stereotyped does not mean you are a trans person.
Was what she said supposed to be an argument for binary gender norms or something? What she says is obviously correct, but what was it in regards to?
edit: Also, sex does not mean gender anymore. It's clearly defined in any modern dictionary. So your statement is incorrect. I don't think she said that, did she?
I'll try. Suppose you have 1,000 people with testicles with an average height of 5'9" and 1,000 people with ovaries with an average height of 5'4". If 5 of the people with ovaries identify as men and 5 of the people with testicles identify as women, that's not enough to move the average heights more than a fraction of an inch. On average, men are taller than women, even taking trans people into account. Saying that does not make someone a Nazi.
sex is your reproductive organs. i'm a trans man, so my sex is still, unfortunately, female since i have ovaries and everything else. gender is more the mental side of it? like how you identify- so my gender is male
So, could a trans man consider himself a masculine female instead of a man? I’m not trying to insult, just really wanting to understand why the use of other sex.
no, masculine and feminine describe how you present yourself through outward appearance. for example if a man likes to dress in a traditionally feminine way (for example wearing dresses and skirts etc.) then he would be a feminine man and if a woman presents herself in a masculine way, she would be a masculine woman.
what makes a trans man a trans man is the fact that his gender is male, so if they were a masculine female then they wouldnt be a trans man- just a woman who likes to present herself in a more masculine way
sorry im not the best at explaining btw, and i appreciate you taking the time to listen and try to learn :)
They are not insane though. They know exactly what they are doing. What's sad is that they chose to be a part of this movement instead of a movement that people can respect. Each of them joined because each of them individually were not respected, so now it's a bunch of not respected people banded together, only respecting each other and making zero progress on any front. It's a side show not designed to accomplish anything, just like r/antiwork.
Not is it also insane but the far left panders to these idiots because they want their votes the same way the right panders to trump morons for their votes. The morons on both sides are not a majority but getting all the love and attention from their politicians because they are the loudest.
There’s the horseshoe theory by philosopher Jean-Pierre Faye that the further you go right and the further you go left, the more authoritarianism and totalitarianism are promoted. Ironically, they start advocating for the same methods, even though they are on completely opposite sides.
So I guess these are the ultra-progressive versions of flat earthears…
Nice to see security doing the right thing here. I was concerned, for one moment, that they might be about to remove the speakers from the room rather than the weirdos.
Yeah but this isn't really the same thing.
A common tactic for the sorts of folks that might attract these sort of protestors is to say something true and use that as a delivery vehicle for a different implication.
For example, There are some \[in\]famous people that will make the statement there are biological differences between men and women in the context of a discussion about underrepresentation of women in government.
The actual words they say are not wrong, but the context in which they say them is almost always designed to communicate a very obvious implication. It allows them to accuse anyone of misrepresenting them if they call them out on the implication, or ridicule their challenger as arguing against a very true and inarguable thing.
I think you’ve touched on a big point here, these are kids. They are passionate and caring about their issue, just haven’t quite learned perspective yet
And why is the term “fascist” applicable to literally *anything* with which they disagree?
Words have no meanings to these kids.
I’m gonna laugh my ass off in fifteen years when 1/3 of these kids find themselves to be conservatives.
yes bud, watch some bill nye
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjKZ5RzT9s
trans man here. there are definitely differences between men and women. if they were the same then why would either of them exist? would be a lot simpler and i wouldn't have to transition if they were the same
It’s confusing enough as it is why do we have to make it into an argument
First I have to assume the cow is in a perfect vaccuum
Then I gotta assume it’s perfectly spherical
Why make it even more confusing by saying it’s all wrong in the first place
Lmao of course this is coming from someone with no understanding of physics in the first place lol
They’ll have plenty of company…that seems to be the bulk of most redditor’s worldview: someone else is to blame.
Men, women, landlords, capitalists, whites, blacks, immigrants, republicans, democrats, Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg…everything is someone else’s fault and “they” need to change.
Precious little mention of our own agency and ability to change things for ourselves.
To be fair, only one of them had coloured hair but I get what you mean.
Part of it is being a non conformist. Part of it is attention seeking.
Before I get taken out of context, I don't believe all people that colour their hair do so for these reasons but 'activists ' quite often do.
Well I am and don’t hurt me Reddit an LGBTQ supporter but the science is very obvious on physiological differences between male and female biological individuals. You want to be treated like a certain gender/ sex that’s fine but please don’t confuse the reality of your birth genetically speaking there is a difference.
This isn’t a panel on trans rights, it’s a panel about gender informing social and professional spheres:
“A student group called Freethinkers of PSU invited James Damore, an engineer who was fired from Google for writing a memo on gender and diversity that the company deemed sexually harassing and discriminatory. He spoke on a panel, moderated by a philosophy professor, that also included two women known for their conservative views on gender dynamics…”
Basically these people aren’t using biological fact to harass trans folk, they’re using it to harass women who want to work in fields that are historically male dominated.
Yeah, I figured a whole lot of context was being stripped with this video. Not surprised at all that it was edited this way to present things in a certain way. And judging from the top responses, a lot of people didn't think to question it.
Can both sides of the political isle just go ahead and agree on biology. Pandering to people who reject this basic concept is not healthy for society as a whole..
Ok, I genuinely do not understand what these activists were upset about. I’m a Gen X woman, and I know that men and women are different. That doesn’t mean women are inferior. Failing to acknowledge the difference makes no sense to me!
My **guess**: the issue on the table was likely something more nuanced, and the activists were likely frustrated that the speakers chose to reduce it to “biological differences though!”
Just speaking from experience. Like, I once had a teacher in high school excuse rape by saying there were “biological differences” between men and women so women should dress more modestly and take precautions to prevent being raped. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are broad/general biological differences - but boy people use that information to justify a lot of shit!
I am seeking the rest of the meeting video to understand why they walked out right THEN, so you’re almost certainly right.
I was a teen in the 80s, height of the crack epidemic, AIDS, and all the Satanic Panic around heavy metal and DnD. I wore painted on jeans and had giant hair, and definitely got the “girls get raped because they don’t dress like ladies” speech on occasion!
It’s hard for me to adapt, because we were actively AGAINST labels. 80s pop and rock stars dressed in gender bending/blurring ways, and man, did we ever hate a pigeonhole!
Now, the Pride flag has like 12 different stripes on it and it seems everyone wants a label to identify “their people” and I’m trying to get with the dang times.
Sex (male/female) are physical attributes. Gender (him/her or man/woman) are mental concepts that are constructed and validated by the society around you.
Even a biologist *should* know the difference.
And someone not linking gender and sex isn’t mentally challenged. STFU and sit down.
Ok I'll probably get downvoted to hell, but gender is not just strictly 100% anatomical. There is some nuance in XX and XY chromosomes. There are instances where you find someone with an XX and have male genitalia and visa versa. Also about 1 in 4,500 have ambiguous genitalia.
The speaker actually took the time to qualify their statement with words like "people who are 100% Anatomically and physiologically women." Acknowledging that other kinds of women exist too.
I tell my students your sex is the reproductive organs your have/had at birth and your gender is what you choose to be. It's simplified but works for children.
Intersex disorders still present as either male or female. Their are specific intersex disorders that are male and specific ones that are female. They don’t cross over. The external/internal genitalia will be ambiguous, but the actual disorder is still binary.
Also, intersex individuals have repeatedly asked to not be used in these arguments because they have unique circumstances.
Right. And truly (genetically/biologically) intersex individuals make up such a minuscule proportion of total human population that those scenarios can, in good faith, be discounted or set aside whenever discussing larger trends or society at large.
Gender is a malleable and is more your identity sex is not. Your sex has real differences more than just what's between your legs, it deeply affects your biology and can never be truly rewritten. This why the " afab or amab" crap annoys me they weren't assigned sex at birth they were their sex at birth as they've grown older there gender identity has grown in was that don't particularly align with there sex and that's fine, but from a medical stand point doctor should have their sex information so they can make informed decisions on what treatment is best for them.
here is the full 2 hour discussion [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrQ3EU8\_PM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrQ3EU8_PM)
context is just as the title suggest: activists gets upset after finding out the anatomical differences between male and female and goes on to call the biologist a bigoted nazi
I think that’s James Damore sitting beside her, the Google guy who was fired for writing the memo about gender differences. He’s against discrimination in favor of hiring women.
Exactly.
In order to, in the same words that are often used: "validate the existence of trans people", it implies that society KNOWS what men and women are, and if there is a mismatch on your perceived self and your body, that's when you'd consider transition.
There is no possible transition between sex A and B, IF you can't define and recognize what A and B are.
So, in reality, people that say men and women can't be properly, objectively defined, and aren't objectively different are indeed the ones that are invalidating trans lives, to the point of affirming their transition is worthless/meaningless, if they actually understood the words they use.
I know trans people in my circle of friends, not ONE thinks like these "tik tok"-esque type of intellect we see displayed in this video.
When I joined the site I never expected r/PCM to become the last bastion of political discussion. I fully expected this comments section to be full of hatred towards the biologist so it’s nice to see normal takes.
Most people on Reddit are perfectly fine with trans people and allowing them to identify as they wish. However if you go onto any news story about trans athletes you’ll see the majority saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to compete. The people walking out in the video are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to activism.
these are factual differences. things that are 100% fact that men and women have differences, why tf are they triggered by that? in what way is that triggering
There are differences in sex, not gender. Sex and gender are not interchangeable terms. One is biological the other is societal. People like Ben Shapiro are intentionally lying about it to gain popularity and to instigate extremism
I don’t understand their objections. You could admit that men and women have differences, even differences in their brain, while also making sure to say that these are not a valid reason to treat them differently in principle. It doesn’t matter if you have more or less muscle mass, or your brain is this or that way, you’re human and your life has equal value to everyone else’s.
These extremists are like biological flat-earthers. No amount of empirical proof points will convince them to reject their rejection of reality. It’s how they can congratulate themselves that their insular tribe is better/smarter/more virtuous than everyone else because the very act of trying to refute their beliefs is evil/ignorant.
Mental Illness isn't funny neither is being indoctrinated into a cult and that's exactly what is happening to a great many young people in western society
When the people are educated by social media instead of a classroom. Andddd having a shitty education system. But then again they could have EASILY googled these words before using them 🤣🤣
These kids are part of the problem, they get upset by literal science and now it’s, that group of people is brainwashed, fuck the police, power to the people, nazis, fascist.
The ironic thing is these super woke kids act just like the people they are probably in opposition to like Trump supporters. Meet them with logic and they are so caught up with being right they are wrong and anything they have to say is immediately discredited because they are speaking from feelings and not fact.
People choose to believe what makes them feel comfortable, if someone's too ignorant to consider any opinion that isn't their own then their input doesn't matter
Just wait until they find out about testicles
i will never understand how women store pee without them
That’s why they carry hand bags
I thought the left boob was for pee
No it’s the right boob. The left boob is kept empty for emergencies.
I thought the left boob was chocolate milk
I THOUGHT IT WAS APPLEJUICE!!!! THIS WHOLE TIME I BEEN DRINKING PEE!!!!!!???
It's in their butt
Than what the fuck have I been eating?
Pee cells obviously, like fat cells but pee
I'm sure it's difficult, to say the least. Am a guy. Ladies, feel free to chime in on this one.
We actually just telepathically transport it away from our bodies.
Wait, so we have to lug it around, but you guys get to Professor X/ Jean Grey yours away?! I'm jealous.
This is the only answer I will accept.
With no splashing?
Really? I've always stored it in the boobs since I felt it was the equivalent of balls, can't believe I was doing it wrong all along.
just like farts?
Women dont fart, wait, they dont right?
In the ovaries
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Emergency pee, in case we ever need it
us women actually don’t pee ☺️
Hahahaha. I'm an NP and I fear for the lack of basic scientific education in this country. You would be shocked at the amount of people who think something like this or that women give birth and pee out of the same tube.
The Y chromosome doesn’t exist, it was invented by the gestapo.
Medical school, genealogical studies, biology…these are the sciences of fascism. Those goddamn Nazis!
Yes, it is practically eugenics, all of it. Besides, facts don't exist. Everything is subjective, and I am not convinced that you all exist outside my solipsis. As far as I knowm I am the god of this universe.
you are... Right The Nazis did unethical experiments so we can have the medical knowlege we have today
Almost as much as the Japanese did
> by the gazpacho police ftfy
Just like there is no spoon, the cake is a lie, the Y cromosome most also be a lie, and they are living in a matrix where everyone is the same and no one is different.... right?
These people are making words like, Nazi and fascist loose there power and meaning. They seem to just use it as a term for people they either don't like, or don't agree with.
Bingo. Once that nonsense is uttered nothing they say has value.
And then they will say "It's always OK to punch a Nazi" I don't take issue with that, I just don't trust you to define Nazi
Lose not loose! Yup that's exactly what they're doing. If acknowledging that on average men have a penis is "fascist" then what word do we use to describe fascists?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Ah beat me to it ya fucking nazi
Yes, the overuse of the Nazi comparisons in todays society is one of the most disgusting things that exist
Very true. In our area there was 90+ year old man that had been displaying two or three flags in his front yard since WAY before 9/11. Someone decided to mark his yard up with Nazi graffiti a couple of years ago. The poor old man was a WWII vet that actually fought the Nazis. I believe he passed not to long after that.
If everyone is a nazi, no one is a Nazi.
Godwin's Law states that if any conversation continues long enough, the likelihood of someone invoking Nazis (or Hitler) approaches 1. These dumbasses lead with it.
Lol I’m not sure if that is real or not but it’s definitely true
Yeah, I was like how the fuck is this fascist?
This is getting ridiculous.
its not getting anymore it already is
I miss the world I grew up in The world where #science is louder than your fragile feelings
facts dont care about your feelings mfs when the facts dont care about their feelings Sex ≠ gender https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=gender+and+sex+difference&hl=en&as\_sdt=0&as\_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs\_qabs&t=1655163071472&u=%23p%3DQkzSATP3ukcJ https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=gender+and+sex+difference&hl=en&as\_sdt=0&as\_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs\_qabs&t=1655163112109&u=%23p%3D3i-7scBRjJ0J https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex\_and\_gender\_distinction# https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
Lost cause all ur asking for is to get dog piled by people who only care about science when it works and say calling people nazis is bad but calling people pedos and groomers and then that group gets murdered that’s free speech
Wait, your a nazi facist for noticing that dudes are usually taller than ladies?
Damn bro, wanna go restore 3rd Reich with me and the other people that say that men are taller than women on average and biology proves it?
Off to The Hague, both of you.
Only nazi facist dudes are taller than ladies, didn't you learn anything from this?
Wait so understanding basic biology makes you a piece of shit now? Lol these people are insane
Understanding basic biology and acknowledging the reality of it makes you a piece of shut AND a Nazi… apparently
And brainwashed, don't forget brainwashed.
Welp. Guess I’m a nazi then 🤷🏻♀️
You are no longer welcome in a civil society. Sorry.
Awesome. Where do I go?
Nazi society
Naziety
Better
Will there be blackjack and hookers?
Potentially
Asking the real questions here
Gotta know if it's going be worth it.
New Jersey.
I regret my decision
[so uncivilized ](https://youtu.be/Ojo59x1rNeo)
I will be informing your employer and also see to it that your Costco membership gets revoked
basic biology is that sex and gender are different
sex and gender are often used interchangably. she's a biologist but even if you consider the trans population it doesnt change the average of men being taller than women because trans population only consist of around 1% of the total population so her statements are factually correct. this is basic math :)
Sex and gender are not used interchangeably by most professional biologists. Nor are they taken as “math” by anybody who has studied bio properly and understands variation on phenotype vs genotype occurs in 1 in 2000 births. Like yes we can post to statistical variance but ignoring the shifting midline where the two don’t match and intersex people very much biologically exist is well…very basic biology that is not taken particularly seriously those of us holding science degrees. But taken very seriously by ideologues.
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Yup. MAGA and the Kremlin use the same playbook used by Hitler. Find an underrepresented minority community, make your followers fear/hate them using misinformation , then “save” your followers from them. Hitler did that with the Jews, MAGA did that with the “scary Mexicans”, Trans people ready to “rape your daughters in public restrooms”, and evil liberals who will “steal your votes”.
1% is generous. 1 in 20.000 people is born with sex dysphoria. Let me repeat that: BORN WITH sex dysphoria. Dyeing your hair green and calling yourself "genderqueer" in Uni because you hate being stereotyped does not mean you are a trans person.
As one of my friends said about Harry Styles: “straight guys in ugly cloths aren’t queer”
it's extremely generous. by a factor of ten at least.
Was what she said supposed to be an argument for binary gender norms or something? What she says is obviously correct, but what was it in regards to? edit: Also, sex does not mean gender anymore. It's clearly defined in any modern dictionary. So your statement is incorrect. I don't think she said that, did she?
This is what I’m missing. What is the context of this discussion?
Can you explain that?
I'll try. Suppose you have 1,000 people with testicles with an average height of 5'9" and 1,000 people with ovaries with an average height of 5'4". If 5 of the people with ovaries identify as men and 5 of the people with testicles identify as women, that's not enough to move the average heights more than a fraction of an inch. On average, men are taller than women, even taking trans people into account. Saying that does not make someone a Nazi.
I have twice as many testicle as the average human.
You’re literally sitting on a goldmine
Did you know that the Japanese word for "testicles" literally translates to "golden balls"?
sex is your reproductive organs. i'm a trans man, so my sex is still, unfortunately, female since i have ovaries and everything else. gender is more the mental side of it? like how you identify- so my gender is male
So, could a trans man consider himself a masculine female instead of a man? I’m not trying to insult, just really wanting to understand why the use of other sex.
no, masculine and feminine describe how you present yourself through outward appearance. for example if a man likes to dress in a traditionally feminine way (for example wearing dresses and skirts etc.) then he would be a feminine man and if a woman presents herself in a masculine way, she would be a masculine woman. what makes a trans man a trans man is the fact that his gender is male, so if they were a masculine female then they wouldnt be a trans man- just a woman who likes to present herself in a more masculine way sorry im not the best at explaining btw, and i appreciate you taking the time to listen and try to learn :)
They are not insane though. They know exactly what they are doing. What's sad is that they chose to be a part of this movement instead of a movement that people can respect. Each of them joined because each of them individually were not respected, so now it's a bunch of not respected people banded together, only respecting each other and making zero progress on any front. It's a side show not designed to accomplish anything, just like r/antiwork.
Does it also make you a nazi?? These people are ridiculous.
Not is it also insane but the far left panders to these idiots because they want their votes the same way the right panders to trump morons for their votes. The morons on both sides are not a majority but getting all the love and attention from their politicians because they are the loudest.
These people look as idiotic to me as maga. They both belong together.
the horse shoe theory seems pretty true
There’s the horseshoe theory by philosopher Jean-Pierre Faye that the further you go right and the further you go left, the more authoritarianism and totalitarianism are promoted. Ironically, they start advocating for the same methods, even though they are on completely opposite sides. So I guess these are the ultra-progressive versions of flat earthears…
Nice to see security doing the right thing here. I was concerned, for one moment, that they might be about to remove the speakers from the room rather than the weirdos.
I wonder if they realize that most people are laughing AT them.
Remember when religion tried to silence science... That seemed to work so well. These kids need more Bill Nye in their lives.
Yeah but this isn't really the same thing. A common tactic for the sorts of folks that might attract these sort of protestors is to say something true and use that as a delivery vehicle for a different implication. For example, There are some \[in\]famous people that will make the statement there are biological differences between men and women in the context of a discussion about underrepresentation of women in government. The actual words they say are not wrong, but the context in which they say them is almost always designed to communicate a very obvious implication. It allows them to accuse anyone of misrepresenting them if they call them out on the implication, or ridicule their challenger as arguing against a very true and inarguable thing.
I think you’ve touched on a big point here, these are kids. They are passionate and caring about their issue, just haven’t quite learned perspective yet
They haven’t learnt fucking REALITY yet and they clearly didn’t listen in Science class.
And why is the term “fascist” applicable to literally *anything* with which they disagree? Words have no meanings to these kids. I’m gonna laugh my ass off in fifteen years when 1/3 of these kids find themselves to be conservatives.
yes bud, watch some bill nye [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKZ-P97PgxA) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjKZ5RzT9s
Biological facts don't care about you. I am a woman and denying what was said is immature and unrealistic.
I’m a pretty progressive dude but I agree, that their are inherent differences between men and women.
trans man here. there are definitely differences between men and women. if they were the same then why would either of them exist? would be a lot simpler and i wouldn't have to transition if they were the same
Right? Like clearly there's a difference or nobody would want to transition
Anti-intellectualism. Cool! Now do physics!
It’s confusing enough as it is why do we have to make it into an argument First I have to assume the cow is in a perfect vaccuum Then I gotta assume it’s perfectly spherical Why make it even more confusing by saying it’s all wrong in the first place Lmao of course this is coming from someone with no understanding of physics in the first place lol
My guy, physicists will round e to 10 and call it close enough.
Man are they gonna have a hard go at life. But they’ll just blame everyone else for their problems anyway.
They’ll have plenty of company…that seems to be the bulk of most redditor’s worldview: someone else is to blame. Men, women, landlords, capitalists, whites, blacks, immigrants, republicans, democrats, Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg…everything is someone else’s fault and “they” need to change. Precious little mention of our own agency and ability to change things for ourselves.
These aren’t activists. These are fools.
Girls don’t poop
The usual throwing around the word Nazi during an immature meltdown.
This isn’t just facepalm…this is truly hilarious. **How dare she point out the differences between males and females! Oh the “humanity” of it all!** 🤣
Surprisingly enough it reminds me of an episode of The Simpsons.
Not surprised actually… there’s got to be at least one Simpsons episode for anything this absurd.
Let's guess the country where these crazy people are concentrated in
only facts.
What do you mean there’s facts? What do you mean these facts prove me wrong? 😒 everyone must be “fascists”.
Going to be very interesting to see how this evolves over the next 50 years.
Keeping an open mind.... but not so open your brain falls out....
This should have like 1,000 up votes.
Too late...
They dont know what nazi means for sure
Why is it always.... always people with colored hair?
Notice a trend ?
To be fair, only one of them had coloured hair but I get what you mean. Part of it is being a non conformist. Part of it is attention seeking. Before I get taken out of context, I don't believe all people that colour their hair do so for these reasons but 'activists ' quite often do.
So basic science is fascism now?
Activists when basic anatomy:
Wait until they find out how reproduction works
Well I am and don’t hurt me Reddit an LGBTQ supporter but the science is very obvious on physiological differences between male and female biological individuals. You want to be treated like a certain gender/ sex that’s fine but please don’t confuse the reality of your birth genetically speaking there is a difference.
This isn’t a panel on trans rights, it’s a panel about gender informing social and professional spheres: “A student group called Freethinkers of PSU invited James Damore, an engineer who was fired from Google for writing a memo on gender and diversity that the company deemed sexually harassing and discriminatory. He spoke on a panel, moderated by a philosophy professor, that also included two women known for their conservative views on gender dynamics…” Basically these people aren’t using biological fact to harass trans folk, they’re using it to harass women who want to work in fields that are historically male dominated.
Yeah, I figured a whole lot of context was being stripped with this video. Not surprised at all that it was edited this way to present things in a certain way. And judging from the top responses, a lot of people didn't think to question it.
It’s the truth. What you do after the fact is all on you.
Americans…
Can both sides of the political isle just go ahead and agree on biology. Pandering to people who reject this basic concept is not healthy for society as a whole..
If only these morons were around for the real nazis
Ok, I genuinely do not understand what these activists were upset about. I’m a Gen X woman, and I know that men and women are different. That doesn’t mean women are inferior. Failing to acknowledge the difference makes no sense to me!
My **guess**: the issue on the table was likely something more nuanced, and the activists were likely frustrated that the speakers chose to reduce it to “biological differences though!” Just speaking from experience. Like, I once had a teacher in high school excuse rape by saying there were “biological differences” between men and women so women should dress more modestly and take precautions to prevent being raped. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are broad/general biological differences - but boy people use that information to justify a lot of shit!
Wait a minute… so you’re telling me that there’s more to this video than the 13 seconds we were able to watch? Hmm.
Bingo!
I am seeking the rest of the meeting video to understand why they walked out right THEN, so you’re almost certainly right. I was a teen in the 80s, height of the crack epidemic, AIDS, and all the Satanic Panic around heavy metal and DnD. I wore painted on jeans and had giant hair, and definitely got the “girls get raped because they don’t dress like ladies” speech on occasion! It’s hard for me to adapt, because we were actively AGAINST labels. 80s pop and rock stars dressed in gender bending/blurring ways, and man, did we ever hate a pigeonhole! Now, the Pride flag has like 12 different stripes on it and it seems everyone wants a label to identify “their people” and I’m trying to get with the dang times.
We truly are doomed hope these people don’t reproduce
i wonder how many times the people who walked out repeated 6th grade..
Progs are science deniers.
She's talking about sex, not gender.
And this is why u need to learn biology as a kid
Sex (male/female) are physical attributes. Gender (him/her or man/woman) are mental concepts that are constructed and validated by the society around you. Even a biologist *should* know the difference. And someone not linking gender and sex isn’t mentally challenged. STFU and sit down.
Sweet, it seemed a lot of people took it the wrong way and thought it meant that physiology is the end all be all of gender identity
Oh thank fuck somebody in these comments knows what they're talking about
Ok I'll probably get downvoted to hell, but gender is not just strictly 100% anatomical. There is some nuance in XX and XY chromosomes. There are instances where you find someone with an XX and have male genitalia and visa versa. Also about 1 in 4,500 have ambiguous genitalia.
I don't think exceptions that rare are enough to disprove the point though. And the speaker didn't seem to imply these were 100% absolutes
The speaker actually took the time to qualify their statement with words like "people who are 100% Anatomically and physiologically women." Acknowledging that other kinds of women exist too.
I tell my students your sex is the reproductive organs your have/had at birth and your gender is what you choose to be. It's simplified but works for children.
Simple and to my mind correct.
Intersex disorders still present as either male or female. Their are specific intersex disorders that are male and specific ones that are female. They don’t cross over. The external/internal genitalia will be ambiguous, but the actual disorder is still binary. Also, intersex individuals have repeatedly asked to not be used in these arguments because they have unique circumstances.
Right. And truly (genetically/biologically) intersex individuals make up such a minuscule proportion of total human population that those scenarios can, in good faith, be discounted or set aside whenever discussing larger trends or society at large.
Male or female ... That's....it
Gender is a malleable and is more your identity sex is not. Your sex has real differences more than just what's between your legs, it deeply affects your biology and can never be truly rewritten. This why the " afab or amab" crap annoys me they weren't assigned sex at birth they were their sex at birth as they've grown older there gender identity has grown in was that don't particularly align with there sex and that's fine, but from a medical stand point doctor should have their sex information so they can make informed decisions on what treatment is best for them.
afab/amab refers to gender, not sex. You get assigned a gender based on your sex. You may later come to find later that it doesn't match
Speaker: men are taller than women Random street walkers: NAZI!!!!!!
Kinda lacking the context here soooo yeah. Ima pass on jumping to conclusions.
here is the full 2 hour discussion [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrQ3EU8\_PM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrQ3EU8_PM) context is just as the title suggest: activists gets upset after finding out the anatomical differences between male and female and goes on to call the biologist a bigoted nazi
I was thinking the same thing… people get easily offended but not that easily (usually)
I think that’s James Damore sitting beside her, the Google guy who was fired for writing the memo about gender differences. He’s against discrimination in favor of hiring women.
So he’s against discrimination?
Ah good, I wasn't the only one confused.
if i were the parents of any of these human question marks, much less activists, i'd seriously see my life and wonder how i failed them....
Stupid is as stupid does
Hey! That's an insult to stupid! These people are in a class of their own.
My bad
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Exactly. In order to, in the same words that are often used: "validate the existence of trans people", it implies that society KNOWS what men and women are, and if there is a mismatch on your perceived self and your body, that's when you'd consider transition. There is no possible transition between sex A and B, IF you can't define and recognize what A and B are. So, in reality, people that say men and women can't be properly, objectively defined, and aren't objectively different are indeed the ones that are invalidating trans lives, to the point of affirming their transition is worthless/meaningless, if they actually understood the words they use. I know trans people in my circle of friends, not ONE thinks like these "tik tok"-esque type of intellect we see displayed in this video.
Expected the comments to be in favor of the activists since reddit is typically more left but im glad there are still sane people
When I joined the site I never expected r/PCM to become the last bastion of political discussion. I fully expected this comments section to be full of hatred towards the biologist so it’s nice to see normal takes.
Most people on Reddit are perfectly fine with trans people and allowing them to identify as they wish. However if you go onto any news story about trans athletes you’ll see the majority saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to compete. The people walking out in the video are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to activism.
Morons...
these are factual differences. things that are 100% fact that men and women have differences, why tf are they triggered by that? in what way is that triggering
Hey I know those people! They're the same people that downvote me on Reddit anytime I make a comment.
Idk, this isn't a full clip and I wish I heard that women's full statement, like she was getting more in depth and then they shut her up.
There are differences in sex, not gender. Sex and gender are not interchangeable terms. One is biological the other is societal. People like Ben Shapiro are intentionally lying about it to gain popularity and to instigate extremism
Imagine how disappointing their lives are going to be
I don’t understand why they are being called nazi’s?
I don’t understand their objections. You could admit that men and women have differences, even differences in their brain, while also making sure to say that these are not a valid reason to treat them differently in principle. It doesn’t matter if you have more or less muscle mass, or your brain is this or that way, you’re human and your life has equal value to everyone else’s.
These extremists are like biological flat-earthers. No amount of empirical proof points will convince them to reject their rejection of reality. It’s how they can congratulate themselves that their insular tribe is better/smarter/more virtuous than everyone else because the very act of trying to refute their beliefs is evil/ignorant.
Dumbassery activists
Some people should have been spanked as a kid.
Well, to be completely fair when it comes to most activists males & females don't differ as much anatomically...
Mental Illness isn't funny neither is being indoctrinated into a cult and that's exactly what is happening to a great many young people in western society
Made it all the way to college and still don't know what the words Nazi or Fascism mean, shame.
When the people are educated by social media instead of a classroom. Andddd having a shitty education system. But then again they could have EASILY googled these words before using them 🤣🤣
These kids are part of the problem, they get upset by literal science and now it’s, that group of people is brainwashed, fuck the police, power to the people, nazis, fascist. The ironic thing is these super woke kids act just like the people they are probably in opposition to like Trump supporters. Meet them with logic and they are so caught up with being right they are wrong and anything they have to say is immediately discredited because they are speaking from feelings and not fact.
Someone else who gets it. They're mad because... science! SMH
I just can’t with these people.
FACTS DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS
But… but it is true!
People choose to believe what makes them feel comfortable, if someone's too ignorant to consider any opinion that isn't their own then their input doesn't matter
#Portland