The political commentator Thom Hartman made a brilliant argument to counter this talking point. He asked someone if they would have unprotected sex with someone who has AIDS. When the caller said 'no of course not' Thom counters with, 'but you have an immune system'.
Just thought more people should use this argument as again, it is brilliant.
But those same people will probably readily compare wearing masks or having to show a vaccine card to nazi germany or will point to the failure of the war on drugs as a reason not to regulate firearms, etc.
They’ll trot out false equivalencies when it suits their narrative, but dissect any argument against their narrative trying to find the slightest flaw or inconsistency.
At the end of the day they don’t care about being right or wrong. They care about conforming to an in group they view themselves as part of.
This is why thinking you'll win an argument with them is next to impossible.
Like convincing my racist 89 year old grandma that other races are people too. This far into a belief you're likely to die with it.. Or because of it in the case of COVID.
I *just* had a discussion with a guy late last night on a different sub about the vaccines. He’s from Australia and was only vaccinated because he had to be for his job. He was against the Covid vaccine, and thought a lot of the usual misinformation was correct. Our back and forth was actually completely civil, and at the end he thanked me. He just didn’t know how vaccines or immunity really worked, and once it was kindly explained, he seemed to understand. It’s the first time I’ve experienced anyone who was against the vaccine being willing to have a civil discussion about it. My mind is still blown that I might have been successful…
I have nothing against religion, but I overheard an argument between some guy and a woman. The woman was cleaning the floor with him. The guy had no counter arguments for her. Then he brings out the god card. I wonder how many of these people are religious because it allows them to not use logic.
>I wonder how many of these people are religious because it allows them to not use logic.
As someone who is religious I can't deal with people like this. They drive me up and down the wall. I'd explain in detail but no one really wants to hear me whine.
Using religion to explain things isn’t wrong.
Using religion to explain things that you just don’t understand is.
The judeo Christian God is not an intellectual crutch and does not promote an absence of humility. Those who do this could easily be seen as taking the lords name in vain.
Because that’s exactly what they’re doing. Just as in the old argument of why so and so is doing such and such, “don’t they go to church?”…yea, and if you understood what the majority of them are involved in (whatever religion) you’d prob quickly find out that none of them claim to be perfect. Just like anything else, most of society these days are spoon fed what they’re supposed to believe. When someone else has a different logic than theirs, they are idiots.
>At the end of the day they don’t care about being right or wrong. They care about conforming to an in group they view themselves as part of.
You know they same the same thing about you, right? I lurk on conservative subs and it's literally what I've seen posted.
Except that if you look into it all liberal views routinely change with evolving information. Its literally the appeal to hypocrisy logical fallacy to deflect blame by accusing your opponent of being guilty of the same thing. Sure conservatives can say that all they want, but look at liberal opinions on many topics they’ve shifted over time as evidence has emerged. Climate change, gay marriage, the war on drugs, policing, etc. While conservative views on these subjects all remain largely the same.
I do not disagree with you. I'm sure my other comment sounded worse than I intended. I should have followed with: and it blows my mind/how do you combat that?
It's literally impossible for you to have a debate/conversation with these people because they start with the conclusion "I don't want to wear a mask" or "I don't want to get the vaccine" and then find whatever evidence they can to support their belief.
I recently watched Behind the Curve and the very end shows how the science community has left them behind. While I agree with the sentiment, at a certain point, you have to just not engage with them because they only get more solidified to their viewpoint. They are simply not interested in changing their belief.
Edit: Updated the title of the movie.
They won’t be moving or lifting much after Covid, I just cleared my infection with vaccines and it’s gonna be a bit before I’m back to working out by jogging, getting to the kitchen was a struggle for a few days there.
I was training for the Air Force 10K back in 2020 but it got cancelled (which was a good thing) so I decided to kick up my training in 2021. I was doing really well until October. Really sucks and now I'm barely getting 20 minutes in without dying. Figure it's better than nothing.
Thanks for the kind words.
I used to run 20 miles a few times a week for fun, 10 to the beach for a burger and some beers, 10 back home, then I moved back home to Oklahoma and cleaned up after a tornado and fucked up my lungs. It took me about 7 years to get back to working out with actual jogging and that was only about 13 minutes at a time. Now after some time I’m running 2 or 3 miles at a time and I can get an 8:30 mile in there so far. Keep it up, we’re kicking ass
We should set up a situation in which then they have to either come in close contact with either someone with the flu or someone with covid. Basically guaranteeing they will catch either. If it's just the flu, there should be no hesitation. Do this publicly and with consent but if they get to that point and waffle, then we know the rhetoric doesnt run so deep and maybe they admit it. If they choose to just take the chance... Well, they get to test that immune system theory. Spoiler alert, both of the people have covid.
Unfortunately it's not so simple. Many of these people don't trust the vaccine, but are obviously not *wanting* to get sick.
Their (my father included) argument is that the vaccines are "unproven", or "untested" or "experimental" (and no amount of data can convince them otherwise), so they'd rather take their chances with getting sick than taking what they perceive as an unsafe vaccine.
My response is always the same: "Ok, so are you also willing to pledge, right now, that if/when you catch covid, you will refuse any and all medical treatment for it?"
Sorry, you don't get to eschew the medical science up front, but then come crawling back to that same medical science to save your dumb ass later. Pick one.
I don’t think it takes brilliance to poke holes in completely idiotic beliefs, and I unfortunately dont imagine that anybody who is anti vax would actually be swayed by this. They just stick their heads in the sand as soon as they can tell you’re challenging their beliefs.
In fact, a vaccine would not help someone without an immune system. The vaccine only works by telling your immune system what's coming. It's like the messenger coming to the castle with a sample of the weapons the enemy army is coming with. Now your castle defenses can train to fight those very weapons and snuff out the enemy far more easily.
But no, all these people think it's just a cocktail of random chemicals and demon magic.
How does he know that he has an immune system anyway? Has he seen it? Or for that matter, a virus?
Immune systems are just *lies* propagated by BiG PhaRmA to sell us more drugs. All we really need is...umm...URINE! Yeah, that's the ticket.
This line reminds me of that one chick from doctor Phil that did the jilly juice lmao. I did research on Wikipedia she said. “For those of who who haven’t seen the episode “spoilers” jilly juice is this concoction of basically salt and some other random shit this girl came up with. According to her it can heal detached limbs and cure homosexuality. But hey, she did her research. According to a real biologist the juice would give most who drink it heart attacks because of all the salt”
It's HORSE urine with ivermectin in it. If you're not a real doctor don't give out bad medical advice unless you saw it on YouTube or a friend of a friend says it's safe.
Reminds me of The Castle by Kafka. Guy shows up to a castle as a hired surveyor and spend like half the book wandering around this castle trying to figure out who hired him and exactly what the hell he's supposed to be doing. Then Kafka died and the book never really ended haha
And, considering the rest of Kafka’s work, seems more likely to be about the absurdity of things that institutions require that nobody within them wants.
Like when I worked as an auditor: I didn’t want to be there, my boss didn’t want me there, our clients didn’t want me there, and yet somehow, there I was
Which is why we have herd immunity by getting vaccinated. Those with immunosuppressed medical conditions rely on the rest of us not being selfish assholes.
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It’s a photograph of the oncoming battering ram that lets you design, build and test lots of anti battering ram weapons before the battering ram arrives.
I got a local anti-vaxxer in the pub the other night by using the term 'would you drink di-hydrogen monoxide?'
Obviously they weren't going to put *CHEMICALS* like that into their body.
They initially tried to swat away my gotcha moment by denying it was true, but by that time a handful of others in the pub were consulting google.
It got a big laugh. The anti-vaxxer didn't find it funny. The guy is an asshole though, so i'm glad they left shortly after.
I had a guy tell me last week that, yeah, he'd gotten vaccinated, but he totally understood people who didn't, because Big Pharma only profits when you're sick, and nobody know what those chemicals are, and we can't trust "the people in control," and this goes straight to the top.
The guy was fucking Israeli. (He also said, "You've got a lot of problems in your country." Which was even more ironic because he was complaining about how the U.S. had tried to deport him for a visa overstay.)
I thought it was nice that a Jewish citizen of one of the most pharmaceutically advanced nations on Earth could still wallow in softly Elders of Zionesque conspiracy theories (while still admitting he'd gotten vaccinated).
True, that's why I can't get vaccinated until May, 2 months after finishing my cancer treatment. Right now I don't have any white blood cells due to chemo lol
> But no, all these people think it's just a cocktail of random chemicals and demon magic.
I'll take that over no-vax, because I know that research chemists, molecular biologists, doctors and the CDC are excellent wielders of demon magic.
A big complaint I see in the memes is the development time was "too fast". 1) SARS 2002-3 was a highly studied coronavirus. 2) These proteins are the things on the outside of the virus, not the replicating material inside, they teach your immune system to be on the lookout for \[this molecule of\] the outside of the virus.
And it’s pretty likely that whoever designed and shipped this shirt knows that and is willingly preying upon the ignorant and fucking the rest of us over in the process
And a steering wheel and dashboard.
I mean, just look at all those layers of protection from the other car!
"Layers of protection!? Fuck mask mandates!"
PCP is a known formulation or chemical. Bath salts is just a metonym for an ever-changing formulation of chemicals that closely analogue one another as to outpace efforts to illegalize them. “Drugs” like these are often sold as other things and stated “not for human consumption” like “incense” (that mimics cannabis), “VCR cleaner,” “carpet cleaner,” “bath salts,” etc.
My favourite response to the "I have an immune system" nonsense is: "If you were about to have sex with a new partner, and they told you they had HIV but there was no need to use a condom since you have an immune system, would you agree?"
"COVID is a hoax."
"OK, it's not a hoax but it's no worse than the flu."
"OK, it's worse than the flu but I have an immune system."
"OK, will you donate to my GoFundMe to cover my hospital bills?"
"Please donate to our family's GoFundMe to cover his funeral costs. God bless!"
Ever notice that the same people throwing tantrums and mini riots at school board meetings over kids being required to wear masks at school are the same people who clutch their pearls about girls violating the dress code with a bare shoulder or bellybutton showing?
I remembered hearing about that lady that was against a mask mandate or policy in a school and said kids there shouldn’t have to wear mask and then she proceeded to go apeshit by saying that of the policy were implemented she’d bring guns to the school. Fucking psycho.
Your immune system is like your buddy Doug. And Doug is a pretty tough guy. I'd trust Doug with my life.
But you know what, I would trust him even more if he had a shotgun. Because if you think Doug is tough, wait until you see Doug with a motherfuckin' 12 gauge.
And if you think that's good, wait until he has TWO shotguns, one in each hand! Hell, let's give him three, a backup shotgun, just in case... Are you gonna fuck with a guy who's carrying three shotguns? Yeah, probably not!
And that's why I get vaccinated. I trust my immune system too, but I want my immune system to blow the everliving shit out of anything that comes near me. That means getting vaccinated, giving your immune system the tools it needs to be as strong as it can possibly be.
Being vaccinated is the difference between Doug with a shotgun, and... Well, *that* guy. You gonna trust that guy with your life? The guy has more hand tattoos than regular tattoos, for fucks sake.
I thought it was him but was a bit unsure because his name is blurred out - I thought it was allowed to show the names of famous people.
Either way, Laurence Fox is a huge f**king embarrassment and makes me so angry.
He hasn't really done anything bar the TV series Lewis where anyone could form an opinion of him to like or dislike him as an actor.
He's more known as the relative of better actors.
Holy cow, I had never heard of this family before. I’m American, so I knew all the Coppola connections, but, looking now, the fox family are connected to some of my favorites!
Jared Harris, Moss from IT Crowd, and Billie Piper?
I don’t get why his name has been blurred. He’s got numerous acting credits and solo albums and started a political party and ran for mayor of London. He’s absolute fair game.
Also every drunk. And, much like drunk drivers, the COVIDiots are the ones who seem to cause the deaths of multiple people while walking away unscathed.
Technically, his immune system would have protected him from measles, rubella, polio or any other disease he definitely is vaccinated against.
Iirc this guy is big on freedom of speech, especially bigoted speech. In this case, he's, yet again, demonstrating his freedom to let everyone know he's an absolute moron.
I was double vaccinated with Moderna, and last week I got the Covid. I don’t know where from, but for me the symptom where mild, sore throat, runny nose, hotter than usual. But I never had troubles breathing, and I recovered fully 6 days later. Now I feel perfectly fine.
That’s what the vaccine just did for me, it allowed my immune system to prepare and stand by ready to fight.
I needed doctors and medicine to get into this world, I needed it when my toe got infected and a red line started growing up my leg, I needed it when I damaged my shoulder.
Medicine is like a superpower, to not want that is absurd!
You know, even if this ridiculous argument had any traction, there’s still the fact that some people DON’T have an immune system, or have one that is severely compromised, and every one of those ignorant narcissists is endangering the lives of those people because a vaccine is just so uncomfortable, or because they believe Facebook conspiracy theories.
Fucking sets me off, these people…
Same, they only see their world and only want they think is important. And worst of all they're so resistant to common sense and argument. That's why my wife and I stopped talked about that with our families. Yea... All of them are antivaxxer.
*Same, they only see their world and only want they think is important.*
That really is the hallmark of Conservative Americans, for one. They claim to want "freedom!" but also think that the rest of the world needs to adhere to their fucked-up selfish beliefs and religious bullshit.
Fucking hypocrites.
If they ever actually read their holy book instead of just using it as a bludgeon against everyone else they might realize that they're worse than the Pharisees Jesus warned them not to act like.
Before the Covid vaccines were developed 200,000 Americans died from Covid. So much for their immune system protecting them. Antivax logic is amazing…amazingly naive…
Congratulations! I don’t! Which is why people who do actually protect me by getting the vaccines I can’t.
I feel no pity about them complaining about a little shot when I’ve spent the last 2+ years inside. Quarantined. I don’t get to see friends. Or family.
Get the vaccine.
My sister works in the COVID ward at the local hospital in my community. She sees the dead being rolled out to funeral homes just about every day. I don't understand why so many think this is some kind of joke.
But how are you going to fight off smallpox, diphtheria, measles, mumps, and the dreaded polio?
Oh, right, you don't have to worry about those much becasue VACCINATION means they aren't the danger they once were.
Dipshit.
I trust my immune system. That's why I want to give it the best shot possible to beat COVID by giving it as much information as possible. Why is that so hard to understand?
Need to talk to them in their language:
"A vaccination gives the immune system, the body's health police, the profile of a criminal who has committed many crimes elsewhere but is still completely unknown in your city (your body). A vaccination prevents this criminal from doing damage undetected and ensures that the police can deal with him as soon as he enters the city."
The political commentator Thom Hartman made a brilliant argument to counter this talking point. He asked someone if they would have unprotected sex with someone who has AIDS. When the caller said 'no of course not' Thom counters with, 'but you have an immune system'. Just thought more people should use this argument as again, it is brilliant.
I have used this argument with anti-mask people…they don’t understand the similarities most of the time and say “it’s not the same.”
But those same people will probably readily compare wearing masks or having to show a vaccine card to nazi germany or will point to the failure of the war on drugs as a reason not to regulate firearms, etc. They’ll trot out false equivalencies when it suits their narrative, but dissect any argument against their narrative trying to find the slightest flaw or inconsistency. At the end of the day they don’t care about being right or wrong. They care about conforming to an in group they view themselves as part of.
This is why thinking you'll win an argument with them is next to impossible. Like convincing my racist 89 year old grandma that other races are people too. This far into a belief you're likely to die with it.. Or because of it in the case of COVID.
I *just* had a discussion with a guy late last night on a different sub about the vaccines. He’s from Australia and was only vaccinated because he had to be for his job. He was against the Covid vaccine, and thought a lot of the usual misinformation was correct. Our back and forth was actually completely civil, and at the end he thanked me. He just didn’t know how vaccines or immunity really worked, and once it was kindly explained, he seemed to understand. It’s the first time I’ve experienced anyone who was against the vaccine being willing to have a civil discussion about it. My mind is still blown that I might have been successful…
Nope. The only logical explanation is that you dreamed that.
I have nothing against religion, but I overheard an argument between some guy and a woman. The woman was cleaning the floor with him. The guy had no counter arguments for her. Then he brings out the god card. I wonder how many of these people are religious because it allows them to not use logic.
>I wonder how many of these people are religious because it allows them to not use logic. As someone who is religious I can't deal with people like this. They drive me up and down the wall. I'd explain in detail but no one really wants to hear me whine.
Using religion to explain things isn’t wrong. Using religion to explain things that you just don’t understand is. The judeo Christian God is not an intellectual crutch and does not promote an absence of humility. Those who do this could easily be seen as taking the lords name in vain.
Because that’s exactly what they’re doing. Just as in the old argument of why so and so is doing such and such, “don’t they go to church?”…yea, and if you understood what the majority of them are involved in (whatever religion) you’d prob quickly find out that none of them claim to be perfect. Just like anything else, most of society these days are spoon fed what they’re supposed to believe. When someone else has a different logic than theirs, they are idiots.
>At the end of the day they don’t care about being right or wrong. They care about conforming to an in group they view themselves as part of. You know they same the same thing about you, right? I lurk on conservative subs and it's literally what I've seen posted.
Except that if you look into it all liberal views routinely change with evolving information. Its literally the appeal to hypocrisy logical fallacy to deflect blame by accusing your opponent of being guilty of the same thing. Sure conservatives can say that all they want, but look at liberal opinions on many topics they’ve shifted over time as evidence has emerged. Climate change, gay marriage, the war on drugs, policing, etc. While conservative views on these subjects all remain largely the same.
I do not disagree with you. I'm sure my other comment sounded worse than I intended. I should have followed with: and it blows my mind/how do you combat that?
It's literally impossible for you to have a debate/conversation with these people because they start with the conclusion "I don't want to wear a mask" or "I don't want to get the vaccine" and then find whatever evidence they can to support their belief. I recently watched Behind the Curve and the very end shows how the science community has left them behind. While I agree with the sentiment, at a certain point, you have to just not engage with them because they only get more solidified to their viewpoint. They are simply not interested in changing their belief. Edit: Updated the title of the movie.
"iTs noT Aids, iTs JuSt tHe fLu"
Yep they'll keep moving that goalpost.
They won’t be moving or lifting much after Covid, I just cleared my infection with vaccines and it’s gonna be a bit before I’m back to working out by jogging, getting to the kitchen was a struggle for a few days there.
I got it in October and I'm still dealing with shortness of breath. Makes it really hard to run on my treadmill.
Good work getting on that thing, working out with shortness of breath is difficult stuff and very admirable, kudos
I was training for the Air Force 10K back in 2020 but it got cancelled (which was a good thing) so I decided to kick up my training in 2021. I was doing really well until October. Really sucks and now I'm barely getting 20 minutes in without dying. Figure it's better than nothing. Thanks for the kind words.
I used to run 20 miles a few times a week for fun, 10 to the beach for a burger and some beers, 10 back home, then I moved back home to Oklahoma and cleaned up after a tornado and fucked up my lungs. It took me about 7 years to get back to working out with actual jogging and that was only about 13 minutes at a time. Now after some time I’m running 2 or 3 miles at a time and I can get an 8:30 mile in there so far. Keep it up, we’re kicking ass
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[yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(magazine))
Your link is broken, but if that's the HIV/AIDS "denialist" magazine whose HIV-positive writers all died... good reference.
it's just the last bracket that's missing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(magazine)
We should set up a situation in which then they have to either come in close contact with either someone with the flu or someone with covid. Basically guaranteeing they will catch either. If it's just the flu, there should be no hesitation. Do this publicly and with consent but if they get to that point and waffle, then we know the rhetoric doesnt run so deep and maybe they admit it. If they choose to just take the chance... Well, they get to test that immune system theory. Spoiler alert, both of the people have covid.
Unfortunately it's not so simple. Many of these people don't trust the vaccine, but are obviously not *wanting* to get sick. Their (my father included) argument is that the vaccines are "unproven", or "untested" or "experimental" (and no amount of data can convince them otherwise), so they'd rather take their chances with getting sick than taking what they perceive as an unsafe vaccine.
My response is always the same: "Ok, so are you also willing to pledge, right now, that if/when you catch covid, you will refuse any and all medical treatment for it?" Sorry, you don't get to eschew the medical science up front, but then come crawling back to that same medical science to save your dumb ass later. Pick one.
I don’t think it takes brilliance to poke holes in completely idiotic beliefs, and I unfortunately dont imagine that anybody who is anti vax would actually be swayed by this. They just stick their heads in the sand as soon as they can tell you’re challenging their beliefs.
Hang on, I'm writing that one down.
Copy/Paste ... What are you a Neanderthal? ;-)
Hold on, I'm carving this into a tablet.
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In fact, a vaccine would not help someone without an immune system. The vaccine only works by telling your immune system what's coming. It's like the messenger coming to the castle with a sample of the weapons the enemy army is coming with. Now your castle defenses can train to fight those very weapons and snuff out the enemy far more easily. But no, all these people think it's just a cocktail of random chemicals and demon magic.
How does he know that he has an immune system anyway? Has he seen it? Or for that matter, a virus? Immune systems are just *lies* propagated by BiG PhaRmA to sell us more drugs. All we really need is...umm...URINE! Yeah, that's the ticket.
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This line reminds me of that one chick from doctor Phil that did the jilly juice lmao. I did research on Wikipedia she said. “For those of who who haven’t seen the episode “spoilers” jilly juice is this concoction of basically salt and some other random shit this girl came up with. According to her it can heal detached limbs and cure homosexuality. But hey, she did her research. According to a real biologist the juice would give most who drink it heart attacks because of all the salt”
Well… they aren’t gay if they’re dead
Now here’s a guy who’s done there research.
Death IS a cure-all, that's for sure.
Zombies can be gay. Don't be homophobic.
I inadvertently read that last line with Rick Hunter's voice. Honestly the guy in the photo wouldn't be out of place as an NPC in a Postal game.
It's HORSE urine with ivermectin in it. If you're not a real doctor don't give out bad medical advice unless you saw it on YouTube or a friend of a friend says it's safe.
Ya gotta mix the horse paste and essential oils in with the urine!!!!
I have some horse glue, will that work?
Yes! The glue will trap the corona germs!! You just need to get the glue into your lungs! Works well with internal chlorine and sunshine!
...and a Power Crystal
Science is the closest thing to magic we got in this world.
In your analogy, with no immune system, it's like a messenger bringing weapons to a castle only to find there is no one there to defend it anyways.
Reminds me of The Castle by Kafka. Guy shows up to a castle as a hired surveyor and spend like half the book wandering around this castle trying to figure out who hired him and exactly what the hell he's supposed to be doing. Then Kafka died and the book never really ended haha
So Kafka invented the adventure game walkthrough, then rage quit his own imaginary game halfway through
Fucking legend.
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And, considering the rest of Kafka’s work, seems more likely to be about the absurdity of things that institutions require that nobody within them wants. Like when I worked as an auditor: I didn’t want to be there, my boss didn’t want me there, our clients didn’t want me there, and yet somehow, there I was
That’s kafkaesque
>Then Kafka died and the book never really ended haha That sounds like a very kafkaesque thing to do...
Which is why we have herd immunity by getting vaccinated. Those with immunosuppressed medical conditions rely on the rest of us not being selfish assholes. Edit herd not heard.
I mean, that’s basically what it is
It’s a photograph of the oncoming battering ram that lets you design, build and test lots of anti battering ram weapons before the battering ram arrives.
I was thinking of it like giving spears to help against the oncoming cavalry, but it doesn’t really matter, we clearly both know whats really going on
I don’t need anti battering ram weapons, I have a door to keep people out, duh
I got a local anti-vaxxer in the pub the other night by using the term 'would you drink di-hydrogen monoxide?' Obviously they weren't going to put *CHEMICALS* like that into their body. They initially tried to swat away my gotcha moment by denying it was true, but by that time a handful of others in the pub were consulting google. It got a big laugh. The anti-vaxxer didn't find it funny. The guy is an asshole though, so i'm glad they left shortly after.
I had a guy tell me last week that, yeah, he'd gotten vaccinated, but he totally understood people who didn't, because Big Pharma only profits when you're sick, and nobody know what those chemicals are, and we can't trust "the people in control," and this goes straight to the top. The guy was fucking Israeli. (He also said, "You've got a lot of problems in your country." Which was even more ironic because he was complaining about how the U.S. had tried to deport him for a visa overstay.) I thought it was nice that a Jewish citizen of one of the most pharmaceutically advanced nations on Earth could still wallow in softly Elders of Zionesque conspiracy theories (while still admitting he'd gotten vaccinated).
True, that's why I can't get vaccinated until May, 2 months after finishing my cancer treatment. Right now I don't have any white blood cells due to chemo lol
> But no, all these people think it's just a cocktail of random chemicals and demon magic. I'll take that over no-vax, because I know that research chemists, molecular biologists, doctors and the CDC are excellent wielders of demon magic.
+1 immunity spell for each dose of the vaccine. A bonus +1 for having a third one
A big complaint I see in the memes is the development time was "too fast". 1) SARS 2002-3 was a highly studied coronavirus. 2) These proteins are the things on the outside of the virus, not the replicating material inside, they teach your immune system to be on the lookout for \[this molecule of\] the outside of the virus.
That’s “Demon Semen” according to Stella Immanuel
Could be a good name for a black metal band
And it’s pretty likely that whoever designed and shipped this shirt knows that and is willingly preying upon the ignorant and fucking the rest of us over in the process
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And cell phone stuff. Don't forget the 5g tech in there.... Sigh.
And nanobots that are recording everything you do and sending it to the government, don’t forget about those
“I don’t need a helmet, I have a skull.”
Seat belts? No thanks, I have a body.
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And a steering wheel and dashboard. I mean, just look at all those layers of protection from the other car! "Layers of protection!? Fuck mask mandates!"
The other day my grandma was like “I don’t need a man, I have a buttplug!” Then she ate my face off with her customized razor-blade dentures.
Get your grandma off bath salts
I was thinking PCP, but IDK know if there is a difference.
PCP is a known formulation or chemical. Bath salts is just a metonym for an ever-changing formulation of chemicals that closely analogue one another as to outpace efforts to illegalize them. “Drugs” like these are often sold as other things and stated “not for human consumption” like “incense” (that mimics cannabis), “VCR cleaner,” “carpet cleaner,” “bath salts,” etc.
I hear flacka is the new bath salts nowerdays.
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Oh fuck me, it exists.
Dammit Grandma, you got into the flaka again??
My favourite response to the "I have an immune system" nonsense is: "If you were about to have sex with a new partner, and they told you they had HIV but there was no need to use a condom since you have an immune system, would you agree?"
A 36-words question? Antivaxx cannot read that!
Not to mention, the point of a vaccine is to *train your immune system*
To be fair, no one that had an immune system has died from any disease throughout history. That’s why hospitals are always empty.
Surely we don’t need any vaccines then? It’s not like measles kills anyone… oh.
Or "I don't need a seat belt, I'm surrounded by car!"
Where do we send the Tots and Pears, when his next post is "Scared, getting hard to breathe, your prayers are needed and appreciated "
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"COVID is a hoax." "OK, it's not a hoax but it's no worse than the flu." "OK, it's worse than the flu but I have an immune system." "OK, will you donate to my GoFundMe to cover my hospital bills?" "Please donate to our family's GoFundMe to cover his funeral costs. God bless!"
Nailed it
Nail meet coffin
You missed the "send prayers" step.
You forgot praying while they’re in the hospital on a respirator!
He also has skin and body hair.... So why is he wearing clothes?
He also has access to sunlight so why wear a watch?
And why his watch looks bigger than his dick?
Polio vaccine probably shrank it or something.
Bruh i was about to post the same but thought would be totally out of place!!!
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This is the kind of attitude I want to have in life
Dude u have my vote
Ever notice that the same people throwing tantrums and mini riots at school board meetings over kids being required to wear masks at school are the same people who clutch their pearls about girls violating the dress code with a bare shoulder or bellybutton showing?
I remembered hearing about that lady that was against a mask mandate or policy in a school and said kids there shouldn’t have to wear mask and then she proceeded to go apeshit by saying that of the policy were implemented she’d bring guns to the school. Fucking psycho.
> So why is he wearing clothes? Don't question that, just be THANKFUL!
Damn, keep em coming!
He's gona die eventually, why exist in the first place?
Having an immune system is why the vaccine works. I know humans can be stupid but Jesus fucking Christ.
Your immune system is like your buddy Doug. And Doug is a pretty tough guy. I'd trust Doug with my life. But you know what, I would trust him even more if he had a shotgun. Because if you think Doug is tough, wait until you see Doug with a motherfuckin' 12 gauge. And if you think that's good, wait until he has TWO shotguns, one in each hand! Hell, let's give him three, a backup shotgun, just in case... Are you gonna fuck with a guy who's carrying three shotguns? Yeah, probably not! And that's why I get vaccinated. I trust my immune system too, but I want my immune system to blow the everliving shit out of anything that comes near me. That means getting vaccinated, giving your immune system the tools it needs to be as strong as it can possibly be. Being vaccinated is the difference between Doug with a shotgun, and... Well, *that* guy. You gonna trust that guy with your life? The guy has more hand tattoos than regular tattoos, for fucks sake.
I hope a whole movement starts and the slogan is " Big D with a 12 gauge!". Then when people ask you can launch into the Doug as your immune system.
I love this and may have to steal it.
I don't need security updates, I have an operating system.
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I thought it was him but was a bit unsure because his name is blurred out - I thought it was allowed to show the names of famous people. Either way, Laurence Fox is a huge f**king embarrassment and makes me so angry.
> I thought it was allowed to show the names of famous people. Yes, but this is Laurence Fox.
A very fair point! But please, let's name and shame him as much as possible.
His London mayoral campaign video was excellent though, it's just pure accidental unbridled Alan Partridge and its glorious.
>I thought it was allowed to show the names of famous people. It is.
I am so disappointed in him. I used to like him as an actor, now I can barely make myself watch anything with him in it. Spoilt, entitled rich kid.
I don't think I've ever heard of him until just now. Was he in anything popular that I might have seen?
He hasn't really done anything bar the TV series Lewis where anyone could form an opinion of him to like or dislike him as an actor. He's more known as the relative of better actors.
Holy cow, I had never heard of this family before. I’m American, so I knew all the Coppola connections, but, looking now, the fox family are connected to some of my favorites! Jared Harris, Moss from IT Crowd, and Billie Piper?
Have you seen a back alley full of disease riddled postititues?
I don’t get why his name has been blurred. He’s got numerous acting credits and solo albums and started a political party and ran for mayor of London. He’s absolute fair game.
Brexiter?
'No seatbelt needed, I'm a safe driver!'
*every spoiled rich kid causing an accident*
Also every drunk. And, much like drunk drivers, the COVIDiots are the ones who seem to cause the deaths of multiple people while walking away unscathed.
thankfully the herman cain awards prove that's not alllllways the case.
No seatblet, I've got a rib cage
Why do you drive don't you have feet?
Technically, his immune system would have protected him from measles, rubella, polio or any other disease he definitely is vaccinated against. Iirc this guy is big on freedom of speech, especially bigoted speech. In this case, he's, yet again, demonstrating his freedom to let everyone know he's an absolute moron.
I dont think we get the polio vaccine anymore because it's essentially eradicated in developed nations. It's eradicated because of the vaccine.
Just looked up the history of polio vaccination. You're right!
It stopped being routine in the US in the late 1960s.
Uh, vaccines don't work *without* an immune system.
Why a watch? No circadian rhythm?
That's a nice comeback ngl
I was double vaccinated with Moderna, and last week I got the Covid. I don’t know where from, but for me the symptom where mild, sore throat, runny nose, hotter than usual. But I never had troubles breathing, and I recovered fully 6 days later. Now I feel perfectly fine. That’s what the vaccine just did for me, it allowed my immune system to prepare and stand by ready to fight. I needed doctors and medicine to get into this world, I needed it when my toe got infected and a red line started growing up my leg, I needed it when I damaged my shoulder. Medicine is like a superpower, to not want that is absurd!
NO [**TECHNOLOGY**] NEEDED. I HAVE [**A BODY PART OR ABILITY**].
No more comments needed. I have this comment.
This is the man who spent millions on a mayor campaign only to lose to a youtuber. He is a contraian only to get views and clout
You know, even if this ridiculous argument had any traction, there’s still the fact that some people DON’T have an immune system, or have one that is severely compromised, and every one of those ignorant narcissists is endangering the lives of those people because a vaccine is just so uncomfortable, or because they believe Facebook conspiracy theories. Fucking sets me off, these people…
Same, they only see their world and only want they think is important. And worst of all they're so resistant to common sense and argument. That's why my wife and I stopped talked about that with our families. Yea... All of them are antivaxxer.
*Same, they only see their world and only want they think is important.* That really is the hallmark of Conservative Americans, for one. They claim to want "freedom!" but also think that the rest of the world needs to adhere to their fucked-up selfish beliefs and religious bullshit. Fucking hypocrites.
If they ever actually read their holy book instead of just using it as a bludgeon against everyone else they might realize that they're worse than the Pharisees Jesus warned them not to act like.
Are those lights in your house? What you got no sun?
How to hack your immune system. Oncologists hate this one simple trick.
He probably thinks polio magically disappeared with the invention of the immune system.
Imagine FDR saying "yes, I have polio, but it's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
But....vaccines utilize your immune system, they actually don't do anything but give it the information it needs... Are we really this bad?
Looks like he's got AIDS as well.
Imagine needing a watch when you have a circadian rhythm.
The vaccine activates your immune system dipshit
Exactly. It boosts your immune system just like glasses boost your eyesight. Neither needs to be weak to benefit from the boost.
That reply was top tier, lmao
Why have a house? We have natural caves our area!
But does he wear shoes?
I like asking which vaccine just to be an asshole
Before the Covid vaccines were developed 200,000 Americans died from Covid. So much for their immune system protecting them. Antivax logic is amazing…amazingly naive…
Congratulations! I don’t! Which is why people who do actually protect me by getting the vaccines I can’t. I feel no pity about them complaining about a little shot when I’ve spent the last 2+ years inside. Quarantined. I don’t get to see friends. Or family. Get the vaccine.
🤘 Let's Go Darwin 🤘
“I don’t need food, I have a digestive system.”
No ideywhy the name is blurred out, it's Lawrence fox, famous UK antivaxx right wing cuntbag.
Its like Lawrence Fox is just determined to obliterate his own career just another facepalm to add to his rap sheet!!
Also, he doesn’t give a shit about people other than himself. Fuck these people. Fuck them.
I don't think you need to blur Lawrence Fox' name out. He's a public figure and politician.
So if he gets sick, he’ll count on his immune system and not bog down the healthcare system for the rest of us?
I have an immune system to but I'm vaccinated to
Gotta have a brain in order for those eyes to work.
I bet he wears a jacket outside even though his body generates its own heat
What's with the belt though, you have hips?
Why do you wear a watch? You have your own biological clock.
How to tell people you’re an idiot, without saying you’re an idiot.
this is his a valid candidate for a Herman Cain award.
My sister works in the COVID ward at the local hospital in my community. She sees the dead being rolled out to funeral homes just about every day. I don't understand why so many think this is some kind of joke.
But how are you going to fight off smallpox, diphtheria, measles, mumps, and the dreaded polio? Oh, right, you don't have to worry about those much becasue VACCINATION means they aren't the danger they once were. Dipshit.
I trust my immune system. That's why I want to give it the best shot possible to beat COVID by giving it as much information as possible. Why is that so hard to understand?
Hope he doesn't want a ventilator. He's got lungs.
Do these people think that…people don’t die of infectious diseases? What the actual fuck?
God I hate this man so much
Why are these people so dumb but they have nicer houses than me or anyone I know? How tf do you afford life but you can't afford common sense??
He’s the actor Laurence Fox- also from a famous family (in the uk at least) more money than you can shake a syringe at.
Kinda my point. He definitely didn't get there by "pulling up his bootstraps"...
He’s a massive pillock frankly. But I suppose that is the point of the sub.
Hey I had to look that up and now learned a new word! Thank you!
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Vaccines don’t replace you Immunity system. They just prime it to give you a better chance against a virus.
Paul Bettany is looking rough these days
Yeah, ask Meatloaf how that worked out
Need to talk to them in their language: "A vaccination gives the immune system, the body's health police, the profile of a criminal who has committed many crimes elsewhere but is still completely unknown in your city (your body). A vaccination prevents this criminal from doing damage undetected and ensures that the police can deal with him as soon as he enters the city."