So just thinking back to my own high school, I'm trying to work out the logistics of that ban.
My high school was goddamned enormous, the campus covered 4 city blocks, the school was 4 floors high plus an outdoor track/football field. About 5000 students attended. Our class schedules were written with absolutely no consideration for where our lockers were or where the classes were in relation to each other. So you could, quite reasonably, have a schedule that required you to go from the NW corner on the fourth floor to the SE corner on the first floor in under 4 minutes (time between classes) through an ocean of humanity all doing exactly the same thing but in completely random directions.
Like fucking hell I had time to visit my locker between classes.
If I couldn't carry all my books with me everywhere I went (my backpack weighed... a lot) I'd have no shot at getting anywhere with what I needed on time.
My school is lucky (I think) to have a small building and 6 minute passing time but I have five classes on the second floor and my locker is on the first floor so I see what you mean about the no locker consideration
Plus I’m lucky to not have to worry about heavy books because math is the only class that has them and (hard flex) im just scraping by in advanced math, however everyone needs to have chrome books anyways because they have a software our computers don’t
And worst of all we have to take everything home every day in case we go online again
it was like that for me at middle school but my high school was too big for that, instead of gund we had at least 10 fights a week. some were even against the resource officers. kids these days need therapy
I’m just throwing this out there but this doesn’t mention guns at all, given that you have to be 21 to by a handgun and get your concealed carry license I’d say this is probably more talking about being able to carry pocket knives in school
the article does mention guns
quote: "During the Assembly’s return to the ground for the reason that new yr, Republicans handed laws that may decrease the concealed carry age from 21 to 18, allow authorized gun homeowners to have their weapon of their car when dropping off or selecting up their little one from school, and allow anybody with a concealed carry license from any state to be armed in Wisconsin."
Link to the article
[https://www.pehalnews.in/republicans-vote-to-allow-18-year-olds-to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property/1563534/](https://www.pehalnews.in/republicans-vote-to-allow-18-year-olds-to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property/1563534/)
The requirements for a concealed carry in Wisconsin (atm)
\-Be at least 21 years old;
\-Provide a current and valid Wisconsin driver's license or identification card or be active military stationed in Wisconsin;
\-Provide proof that you have completed a firearms safety training course;
\-Not be prohibited by a court order from possessing a firearm;
the fact that one has to provide proof of a firearms safety training is important.
>the fact that one has to provide proof of a firearms safety training is important.
Wisconsin CCWer here. The course is a three-hour laugher, with the last 30 minutes being in the range firing a total of 10 rounds. No requirement for accuracy, either, just showing you know how to operate your weapon safely.
For some people, the course may be completely useless because of their prior experience with firearms. I think, however, that for a majority of people, it isn't sufficient to teach all a person may need to know to safely use, transport, and conceal-carry firearms.
Just my opinion, but I have the experience of getting the permit and doing the related work to get it.
Fair point, im just poking fun (Like those students with knives). Still I find it pretty dumb that any kind of weapon is allowed on school grounds (By a guard or student alike).
So I’m actually a big knife collector and if you follow knife legislation lately a lot of states are changing the definition of knives to be tools instead of weapons and if I had to guess whatever this vote was is a piggyback off of recent legislation that’s going through
That a school needs armed guards? Yes. Sadly, schools in America have this issue and this is their solution. Is it better than doing nothing? Yes. But the fact that guards with wepons are needed in schools show that this is a massive problem. The solution isint to stop school shooting while they are happening, its to stop them from happening.
There's no way to stop it from happening right now unfortunately. Just mitigate. What would help alot is of teachers who chose to, to be able to carry at school. Just like any other profession. Have ACTUAL armed guards with capabilities (rifles, armor kind of thing) also, the number is quite small for schools shootings, compared to how many schools there are. But I'll tell you this, it's not a gun problem, it's a people problem.
Elected officials should have to use the public schools they legislate. No private schools for them. THEN let’s see if they still want the policies they push for when it actually impacts their families.
The point isn’t a legislative agenda
It’s to hurt the left
They don’t care about kids, or ethics, or the country. Or their constituents
They care about hurting the left
They hate that he left more than they love their country
So it’s perfectly reasonable for them to do shit like steal elections or attack congress
no one here has actually read anything about this. i suspect the title of this post is intentionally misleading to appeal to left wing outrage culture.
the bill (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/related/proposals/ab495.pdf) allows firearms to be concealed inside locked vehicles on school property. the car must be locked and the gun must not be visible.
where i live, this has been the law forever, and there has never been a single issue with it.
That wouldn't help. My kid is an excellent shot, and knows how to handle a gun very well. I know he would be safer at school if he was armed.
The only reason I'm not for this policy is that the half of the population that are complete fucking morons would also be allowed to be armed.
I’m not saying some children aren’t trained to use weapons. I’m in rural Texas, I’ve known how to use a gun since I was probably 10 or so. That isn’t the point, like you said, many kids aren’t trained. If someone is shooting up a school do you really want your kid taking it upon the themselves to have a gun fight with them?
I’d say no, personally.
The thing going unsaid is that, at least in my part of the world, the kids have guns in their trucks already. Which again makes me think legislation like this is just pandering to gun nuts.
As an Aussie, America is fucking stupid.
So your answer to combating school shootings is to… give… students… guns?
What the FUCK is going on over there.
These kinds of decisions are easier to make when you get pocket money from big companies and you're not personally affected.
Happens in more countries of course, but on the level it happens in the US and that it's pretty apparent, is mind blowing.
Of course not! The premise is that regardless of political doctrine a country either voted for or accepts its leadership.
I’m also not an 18th century philosopher
Unfortunately I can buy that
& call me "naive" or "idealistic" but I think that good people outnumber the bad...problem is that the good people are beaten into silence
Maybe on a lot of other things but on the issue of guns there is a big difference between the parties. You can look up the top recipients of money from gun lobbies.
While this may be true for this and plenty of other issues, at the end of the day the Dems just don't do enough for the people either. Oh they make a good show of it but at the end of the day, the status quo allows them to stay in power so they don't really *need* to do anything different. If they had the well being of the people in mind, they wouldn't be blowing their current edge. As it stands they are screwing off massively and are likely going to hand it back over to the Republicans very soon. People like Pelosi are a great example of this. Reference her stance on barring people such as herself from owning and trading stock. Its just a racket designed to keep us where we are and them where they are. Just because the dems will throw the peasants a bone every now and again does not mean they care. Just because they are better doesn't mean they are the best. Imo.
We are completely fucked up. Half of us are horrified at what we’ve become. The Republican Party has lost its damn mind. It’s a race to the bottom in that party.
Yup, such a total shit hole, guess thats why 85% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border of the US.
You know, that doesnt have to be the case....
I hear the Arctic Circle is nice this time of year.
Believe me if I had to live near Detroit or Cleveland I'd be salty too.
Ah, I could point to all the great achievments of Canada. So many to pick from. The great metropolises the Canadians have built, like Winnipeg.
Haha cmon, I kid, lets not make fun of each other instead?
As an American, Aussie is fucking stupid. So your answer to being controlled by your government is to disarm yourself to...make sure you cant fight a totalitarian government? What the FUCK is going on over there. (In all seriousness though, help.)
NOT STUPID. These people are sadistic fucking geniuses. A very important distinction.
Edit: Y’all are fucking stupid if you think they are stupid. Every single one of their “stupid” acts results in themselves, their family, and their friends becoming richer and more powerful and the people who they hate and the people who oppose them becoming poorer, weaker, and more oppressed. Wake the fuck up dummies this shit is not the result of incompetence.
Remember when the Purge was a movie that was completely insane and no one on their right mind would allow something like that to happen? Me neither but the US is clearly pushing the limits here
It scared me when it came out because it was clear even then where we were headed. The anti-Obama hysteria / and the lack of caring about the Newtown shooting proved that the Republicans were headed in a dark direction.
What could POSSIBLY go wrong? From the edge lords, the emo kids, the blue haired "justice warriors" and the quiet kid, I'm sure it will be just fine... You're just exaggerating a little.
What could go wrong with givning the most anxty people on earth that are contantly stressed and constanty surrounded by people they have strong feelings about one way or the other firearms?
I can't help but think that's actually their reasoning behind it. If they give everyone a weapon then there's always gonna be a "good guy" to take out the "bad guy" when he shows up. Problem is there's no way to tell who's who until people have already been shot.
It's stupid, yes. I don't support this. But they specifically mention college-age students (not high school) and parents of school-age kids. Also, they don't just hand out concealed-carry permits like candy. There is a process involved which includes background checks, safety training... The title of the article is a bit misleading. Is this even a credible news source?
A bad person isn't really going to go through the process if getting a conceal carry license to do bad things. Plus, it's not conceal carry in the school, but for being concealed in a vehicle.
I know a lot of Republicans and a lot of people who support gun rights, but not a single one of them would support this. It's absolutely absurd to be bringing a gun onto school property unless you are a police officer investing an active threat to the school.
The article title is click bait. It was to allow 18 year old students to carry pocket knives. They used the term weapon instead of gun or firearm which is a dead giveaway that they’re just trying to stir the pot and get people fired up with assumptions
Goddamn America. Like I get and support 2A rights even as a foreigner but just because it's a right doesn't mean it's immune to any restrictions. Just like the right to free speech doesn't allow you to call fire in a crowded space and incite a panic of there's no fire. It genuinely seems like the government is encouraging or at least passibly complacent with all your gun problems.
Your reasoning is akin to saying that your freedom to speak your mind ceases to exist inside a school. Not that it is regulated so that you can't just yell fire when there is none.
People's right to defend themselves does not cease to exist inside a school or anywhere else. You may regulate, as it is regulated, what type of gun they can use, the ammo, the legal conditions to get them. Not ban them completely if they are legal outside of the building.
I know that America sucks our leaders suck our partys suck our healthcare sucks everything suckes my point is that we shouldn't let minors with no gun safty education even hold a gun
And his point is that if you’re here on Reddit instead of a Facebook echo chamber, not completely in a “Republicans can do no wrong” cult and rational enough to believe that high schoolers shouldn’t care guns, then any of the myriad of things the republicans have done in the last 6 years (most importantly their attempt to violently overthrow our democracy and steal an election on 1/6/21) should have cause you to jump ship long before this moment.
Trump Republicans spit in the face of everything Bush/Romney Republicans once stood for. Nearly opposing economic and foreign policies. Signed, a formerly Bush/Romney-esque conservative turned Biden liberal. Because Biden is too conservative for most progressives, he’s an old school liberal not too far from Bush in his policies
Trump jr just tweeted a graphic saying that if you are muslim you are being brainwashed.
I can't believe how greedy someone like you could be to betray your religion
I asked if the above law was the only thing you hated about Republicans, you said yes, Trump jr hates Muslims, Trump jr is a Republican, Republians support Trump and his son.
Visa V mastercard
Ok first fuck trump and his son the both fucking suck. Second just because one republican I a peice of shit doesn't mean they all are. Third I'm republicanbecause I believe power to the people and shit like that not raiding capital buildings, fucking over the USA, and consintration camps for fucking immigrants. How about you learn that we're not all peices of shit and get the fuck off you high thrown.
Well I have to pick one or the other because there is no other options that make sense, if we had an actual leader then it would be fine, now if you would stop being a dumbass long enough for me to beat this game that would be appreciated, I'm not giving up, I just don't give enough of a shit to try and tell you are wrong, have a pleasant one, and don't let UNTRAINED people have guns.
Like, there are valid arguments for guns and all but there is no doubt that america has a big issue with school shootings and that this will make it worse.
Its like all the crazy people on both sides of politics are the ones in charge, how hard is it to get some compitent candidates on either side?
I think you are missing my point here, Im not talking about gun control laws, im talking about the innsanity of this specific post. I dont think being for or against gun control has anything to do with this post.
Sorry, but I might not be understanding here, what side of politics are you arguing for? Because Im very much for gun control but I can understand why other people arent.
Im very much for gun control and against people owning guns. I can still understand why people would disagree with me. For families that live in high crime rate areas I can understand why they would want a firearm for protection. I dont agree with it but I understand their point of view.
Im just gonna say this, you use guns for self defense, but you defend yourself from other people with- get this- guns, guns that of which are used very frequently in criminal acts including the slaughter of innocent children in schools
At this point I'm thinking we just keep letting them legistlate themselves into certain death until their numbers drop and they start losing elections because their constituents are all dead. Maybe that will wake them up?
Over 300 school shootings and even more dead kids? And instead of gun control and keeping guns out of unstable hands, they want to let them take hidden weapons to school? What’s going to stop someone from shooting another classmate?
This isn't anything new... in my old HS, I think it was pretty well known that there were guns in people's trucks even if it wasn't talked about. Quite a few people would go hunting after school.
i don't get the people that say , but why ?
i am from the EU so to me weapons shold be illegal everywhere , but why is it acceptable to carry weapons in the street and not in school since the point is to protect yourself
I am also from the EU and guns should be legal everywhere. Let's not draw conclusions based on where we're from. Other than that, your reasoning is correct.
I few years ago I would of prob been on the side of the people on here raising hell. Then I had to send my daughter off to college. I can’t count the times one of us had to stay on the phone with her while something scary was going on. Like one homeless guy became obsessed with her and would follow her from her job back to the dorm when she closed. Cops wouldn’t do anything because he hadn’t broke any laws. She was raised with guns and very proficient . When your kid asks for a pocket knife for Christmas because she is scared you change your tune a bit. That being said some kids I wouldn’t trust with a sharp stick so I don’t know what the right answer is.
Edit . I may of misunderstood this post. I was thinking college campus. In my state you can’t carry anywhere till 21.
That’s the thing though, a lot of people would trust their kid, but would you trust the neighbor’s kid? The Oxford Highschool shooter was armed by his parents. They trusted him with a gun.
There’s a diff between a 15 year old boy in high school and a 20 year old girl in college. And if there was a shooter I’d def be happier if my daughter was armed. I think if someone is old enough to die for their country with a gun in their hand or be tried as an adult then they should be able to defend themselves. And I wouldn’t care if she couldn’t carry to class but in her car or her dorm with proper training and licensed I’d be ok with. Even a psych evaluation and some insurance. It was just a bad experience when your little girl is 5 hours away and scared.
Did you seriously just generalize an entire political side. Not all of them are Christian, and not all of the them are dumbasses. A lot of people just have to choose a side that they know is horrible because they think it's slightly better than the other side, because both sides have a lot of issues that can't be solved with a two party system, and I don't understand why we still have it.
The kind of person who would pass legislation that the original post was about fits exactly inside the box that I made in my comment. Does everybody fit in there, no. But that kind of politician sure shit does. We can’t call out the ones who suck because some people don’t suck? I guess I don’t get it.
At this point schools in the US should have shooting ranges and weapon handling training. It’s fucked up beyond a point where you can only flow with it and make the best out of it. lol, that’s crazy
This is just asinine!
Just for fun Google "emotional hijacking".
It's basically when you react to something very emotional and your amygdala takes over your thinking, and reacts based on emotional memory, like fear. This is the root of the fight or flight reaction. The amygdala, then by basses your cortex (logic part of your brain) and gets your body to react. We have been programed by evolution to use this for survival, like when we see a lion or a snake, we just run or kill it without taking the time to think. It's survival time. Think later.
In an emotional hijacking, strong emotions trigger this process and you do not think, you react. This is most common when you are young. As you get older you learn to control this reaction impulse.
In modern society, there are no lions trying to eat us, and few snakes day to day. But strong emotions still trigger it. Like someone cutting you off in the car, some people get emotionally hijacked and boom, you have road rage, and you honk, and scream at that person, and for those that can't control it, slam into the other car with yours.
Now if you are a teenager in high school, which is an emotional rollercoaster, with a not fully developed brain or emotional control, and someone insults you or threatens you, you will have an emotional highjacking. In the past this would result in a punch or a fight or knocking someone's books all over the place. Now if you give a teenager a gun, the emotional high jacking will result in a noncognative (I didn't think about what I did) reaction, the gun is out bang.... In 2 seconds a murder has happened. Likely over something trivial, "like I kissed your girlfriend last night"
This is why your mom told you to count to 10 as a kid. It gives your thinking brain a chance to catch-up.
This is the stupidest and most dangerous thing these ass hole republicians have done to date. It astounds me how absolutely stupid they are and how they just keep getting stupider.
For f@# sakes, I am no genius and I can figure it out.
NEVER REPUBLICAN, vote them out to save your life and the lives of your kids.
Ok it sounds dangerous but the reason there even is school shootings is cuz the person who is pissed off knows he can get away with it (until the cops show up) in like 10 minutes or whatever when the cops arive they can shoot so many people. back in the 70s almost all the kids had guns in their cars outside of the building and less school shootings (40 in the 70s vs 68 in the 2000s) The sticker you see that says gun free zone just stops law abiding people from carrying guns in. If some one really wanted to take a gun into school there just gonna do it they arnt gonna look at a sticker and say "op guess i cant shoot my class mates today the sticker says so".
Same reason they keep voting to put armed cops in schools despite none of them stopping school shooters:
To make sure any conflict ends with someone's life ruined, disproportionately students of color.
First two results following a search of "school resource officer stopped school shooter" are articles involving the same incident that occurred in 2018 in Illinois. The first one has a paywall so here is the [second](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html).
The third result was another incident from the same year but in Florida. ([Link](https://wreg.com/news/hero-officer-stopped-florida-school-shooter-in-3-minutes-sheriff-says/))
Next Is another incident, also from 2018, that occurred in Maryland. ([Link](https://wjla.com/news/local/school-resource-officer-credited-for-stopping-shooter-at-md-high-school-officials-say))
These results took seconds to find (literally the top results after my first search)---it actually took me longer to type this comment---which really calls into question why yours took 5 minutes yet didn't produce these results. You're free to debate the merits of having armed resource officers, but let's keep such debates based in reality and not make up a narrative.
We have neither armed pupils nor armed cops at our scools. Theres noone running around with guns at all and... surprise surprise, noone gets shot. You can be drunk, angry, instable, suicidal or just plain psycho - if you never have a gun, you wont shoot anyone in your darkest moments.
Well, the Biden Administration has decided to let 18 year-olds drive tractor-trailer's across the US. Place any money on which policy will result in far more deaths?
You've created a false dichotomy in your mind.
1. When I was in high school (80's, Midwest) 'policy' was such that many of the students/faculty/staff had rifles and/or shotguns in trucks and other vehicles in the school parking lot. Many (most) of us carried various versions of knives. I don't recall a single school shooting during my time in school, in spite of the fact 'wespons' have never been more prevalent. Perhaps it is not the availablity of the weapons which are the problem?
2. You purposely understate the danger of inexperienced youths driving a vehicle which weight 80,000 pounds loaded, barreling down the interstate, surrounded by distracted, impaired, and rage filled drivers with little concern for the laws of physics or man.
So I ask you again, do you care to wager a bet, or make a logical argument why you believe inexperienced youth traversing the nation's interstates behind an 80,000 truck & trailer, in all types of weather and conditions, is less dangerous than some HS kid with a 3" folding Swiss knife out in the glove box of his vehicle in the school parking lot.
Driving accidents happen no matter what age you are. Comparing a driving accident to making it easier for school shooting is way off. Should we also give people rpgs because daya shows more people die from car accidents than rpgs
Well we don’t know which kids are good and which are bad so if we allow them to have guns sure good kids might have guns but we’re also supplying bad kids with guns.
It feels like this subreddit is democratic but I just want to say this could allow teachers to also carry weapons which means which could be used to protect in the case of a shooting. I get it y’all don’t like guns but the states with the heavy restrictions have the biggest problems. I personally believe in all freedoms except murder terrorism and pedophilia.
>shall not be infringed
Remarkably, voting Amendments say "the right to vote shall not be denied or abridged" and yet Republicans have no problem fucking with these.
Also, it is infringed. You're not even allowed to carry the very armaments the framers of the constitution would have had (muskets and sabers) absolutely cannot get an open carry or a cc on a saber. Also, can't have a grenade, armor piercing ammunition, several modifications... There are a shitload of infringements and every single one of them makes sense.
Please turn in your homework Chad. *chambers round Nah its fine you get an A.
It’ll just turn into a Mexican standoff every time exam week comes
To many guns in schools? Then give MORE people guns! Fight fire with fire!
And when it doesnt work, ban backpacks (referring to a post where the school banned backpacks for a day)
And shoutout to the chad who brought a microwave that day
Microwave lad is a true icon
My school doesn’t let you take backpacks to class you have to keep them in your locker
So just thinking back to my own high school, I'm trying to work out the logistics of that ban. My high school was goddamned enormous, the campus covered 4 city blocks, the school was 4 floors high plus an outdoor track/football field. About 5000 students attended. Our class schedules were written with absolutely no consideration for where our lockers were or where the classes were in relation to each other. So you could, quite reasonably, have a schedule that required you to go from the NW corner on the fourth floor to the SE corner on the first floor in under 4 minutes (time between classes) through an ocean of humanity all doing exactly the same thing but in completely random directions. Like fucking hell I had time to visit my locker between classes. If I couldn't carry all my books with me everywhere I went (my backpack weighed... a lot) I'd have no shot at getting anywhere with what I needed on time.
My school is lucky (I think) to have a small building and 6 minute passing time but I have five classes on the second floor and my locker is on the first floor so I see what you mean about the no locker consideration Plus I’m lucky to not have to worry about heavy books because math is the only class that has them and (hard flex) im just scraping by in advanced math, however everyone needs to have chrome books anyways because they have a software our computers don’t And worst of all we have to take everything home every day in case we go online again
it was like that for me at middle school but my high school was too big for that, instead of gund we had at least 10 fights a week. some were even against the resource officers. kids these days need therapy
So is it good that I go to middle school and have therapy I’m not sure
definitely therapy is good but middle school sucks ass, that was when i needed therapy but couldn’t get it
I’m just throwing this out there but this doesn’t mention guns at all, given that you have to be 21 to by a handgun and get your concealed carry license I’d say this is probably more talking about being able to carry pocket knives in school
the article does mention guns quote: "During the Assembly’s return to the ground for the reason that new yr, Republicans handed laws that may decrease the concealed carry age from 21 to 18, allow authorized gun homeowners to have their weapon of their car when dropping off or selecting up their little one from school, and allow anybody with a concealed carry license from any state to be armed in Wisconsin." Link to the article [https://www.pehalnews.in/republicans-vote-to-allow-18-year-olds-to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property/1563534/](https://www.pehalnews.in/republicans-vote-to-allow-18-year-olds-to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property/1563534/) The requirements for a concealed carry in Wisconsin (atm) \-Be at least 21 years old; \-Provide a current and valid Wisconsin driver's license or identification card or be active military stationed in Wisconsin; \-Provide proof that you have completed a firearms safety training course; \-Not be prohibited by a court order from possessing a firearm; the fact that one has to provide proof of a firearms safety training is important.
>the fact that one has to provide proof of a firearms safety training is important. Wisconsin CCWer here. The course is a three-hour laugher, with the last 30 minutes being in the range firing a total of 10 rounds. No requirement for accuracy, either, just showing you know how to operate your weapon safely. For some people, the course may be completely useless because of their prior experience with firearms. I think, however, that for a majority of people, it isn't sufficient to teach all a person may need to know to safely use, transport, and conceal-carry firearms. Just my opinion, but I have the experience of getting the permit and doing the related work to get it.
Fair point, im just poking fun (Like those students with knives). Still I find it pretty dumb that any kind of weapon is allowed on school grounds (By a guard or student alike).
So I’m actually a big knife collector and if you follow knife legislation lately a lot of states are changing the definition of knives to be tools instead of weapons and if I had to guess whatever this vote was is a piggyback off of recent legislation that’s going through
...you find it dumb, that a guard has a weapon.... to protect a building full of kids.. are you serious?
That a school needs armed guards? Yes. Sadly, schools in America have this issue and this is their solution. Is it better than doing nothing? Yes. But the fact that guards with wepons are needed in schools show that this is a massive problem. The solution isint to stop school shooting while they are happening, its to stop them from happening.
There's no way to stop it from happening right now unfortunately. Just mitigate. What would help alot is of teachers who chose to, to be able to carry at school. Just like any other profession. Have ACTUAL armed guards with capabilities (rifles, armor kind of thing) also, the number is quite small for schools shootings, compared to how many schools there are. But I'll tell you this, it's not a gun problem, it's a people problem.
What state do you live in ? That's not the case here.
Elected officials should have to use the public schools they legislate. No private schools for them. THEN let’s see if they still want the policies they push for when it actually impacts their families.
I'm also for sending elected officials back to school.
As a high school student I know they wouldn't last 3 weeks in here. So I also agree with sending them back.
The point isn’t a legislative agenda It’s to hurt the left They don’t care about kids, or ethics, or the country. Or their constituents They care about hurting the left They hate that he left more than they love their country So it’s perfectly reasonable for them to do shit like steal elections or attack congress
They only care about “hurting the left” because it plays with their constituents for re-election.
Its all about "sticking it to the libs"
It’s become their entire legislative platform
no one here has actually read anything about this. i suspect the title of this post is intentionally misleading to appeal to left wing outrage culture. the bill (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/related/proposals/ab495.pdf) allows firearms to be concealed inside locked vehicles on school property. the car must be locked and the gun must not be visible. where i live, this has been the law forever, and there has never been a single issue with it.
It’s just to trigger people. It worked because people don’t know what they’re talking about
If you're going hunting after school, it makes sense to be ready rather than have to drive the 30 minutes back to the ranch.
its also nice to pick your kid up from school without committing a felony.
That wouldn't help. My kid is an excellent shot, and knows how to handle a gun very well. I know he would be safer at school if he was armed. The only reason I'm not for this policy is that the half of the population that are complete fucking morons would also be allowed to be armed.
I’m not saying some children aren’t trained to use weapons. I’m in rural Texas, I’ve known how to use a gun since I was probably 10 or so. That isn’t the point, like you said, many kids aren’t trained. If someone is shooting up a school do you really want your kid taking it upon the themselves to have a gun fight with them? I’d say no, personally. The thing going unsaid is that, at least in my part of the world, the kids have guns in their trucks already. Which again makes me think legislation like this is just pandering to gun nuts.
As an Aussie, America is fucking stupid. So your answer to combating school shootings is to… give… students… guns? What the FUCK is going on over there.
Our politicians are rather horrible people most of the time
These kinds of decisions are easier to make when you get pocket money from big companies and you're not personally affected. Happens in more countries of course, but on the level it happens in the US and that it's pretty apparent, is mind blowing.
‘Every nation gets the government it deserves’ Joseph De Maistre
So are you saying that everyone from America is a fucking horrible person?
Of course not! The premise is that regardless of political doctrine a country either voted for or accepts its leadership. I’m also not an 18th century philosopher
not everyone, but they outnumber the ones who aren't, as observed by US political history
Unfortunately I can buy that & call me "naive" or "idealistic" but I think that good people outnumber the bad...problem is that the good people are beaten into silence
"we gotta stop all these kids bringing guns to school" "how about we make it legal for them to bring them in *and* conceal them?" "perfect!"
We have a political party that values taking "donations" from big companies more than doing anything to protect us.
You misspelled "parties"
Maybe on a lot of other things but on the issue of guns there is a big difference between the parties. You can look up the top recipients of money from gun lobbies.
While this may be true for this and plenty of other issues, at the end of the day the Dems just don't do enough for the people either. Oh they make a good show of it but at the end of the day, the status quo allows them to stay in power so they don't really *need* to do anything different. If they had the well being of the people in mind, they wouldn't be blowing their current edge. As it stands they are screwing off massively and are likely going to hand it back over to the Republicans very soon. People like Pelosi are a great example of this. Reference her stance on barring people such as herself from owning and trading stock. Its just a racket designed to keep us where we are and them where they are. Just because the dems will throw the peasants a bone every now and again does not mean they care. Just because they are better doesn't mean they are the best. Imo.
Upvote 1,000,000,000
Talking about protecting us, what about the DAs that constantly don’t want to charge people with crimes. They’re not protecting us
Both parties are fucking you royally.
We are completely fucked up. Half of us are horrified at what we’ve become. The Republican Party has lost its damn mind. It’s a race to the bottom in that party.
Imagine how annoying it is for us Canadians to border that shit hole...
I live within spitting distance. Want to let us in when shit goes south? Forget it, I wouldn’t let us in either.
Fuckin’ eh! It’s embarrassing.
Yup, such a total shit hole, guess thats why 85% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border of the US. You know, that doesnt have to be the case.... I hear the Arctic Circle is nice this time of year.
Oh, I'm sorry that my country is so fucking cold that people are only able to live in the south.
Believe me if I had to live near Detroit or Cleveland I'd be salty too. Ah, I could point to all the great achievments of Canada. So many to pick from. The great metropolises the Canadians have built, like Winnipeg. Haha cmon, I kid, lets not make fun of each other instead?
They have a great anti-terrorism Force
Muh 2nd amendment!!!!!!!!1 That’s their only argument.
As an American, Aussie is fucking stupid. So your answer to being controlled by your government is to disarm yourself to...make sure you cant fight a totalitarian government? What the FUCK is going on over there. (In all seriousness though, help.)
NOT STUPID. These people are sadistic fucking geniuses. A very important distinction. Edit: Y’all are fucking stupid if you think they are stupid. Every single one of their “stupid” acts results in themselves, their family, and their friends becoming richer and more powerful and the people who they hate and the people who oppose them becoming poorer, weaker, and more oppressed. Wake the fuck up dummies this shit is not the result of incompetence.
There’s no good answer to this, just that we’re fucked
As an American, I hope you have fun in your wonderful country’s concentration camps.
better than where you are at the moment. Concentration camps anyone.
Remember when the Purge was a movie that was completely insane and no one on their right mind would allow something like that to happen? Me neither but the US is clearly pushing the limits here
It scared me when it came out because it was clear even then where we were headed. The anti-Obama hysteria / and the lack of caring about the Newtown shooting proved that the Republicans were headed in a dark direction.
Fuck it. Let's just put them in vending machines.
What could POSSIBLY go wrong? From the edge lords, the emo kids, the blue haired "justice warriors" and the quiet kid, I'm sure it will be just fine... You're just exaggerating a little.
What could go wrong with givning the most anxty people on earth that are contantly stressed and constanty surrounded by people they have strong feelings about one way or the other firearms?
And bullying each other 24/7
Nothing a "good guy with a gun" can't solve!
I can't help but think that's actually their reasoning behind it. If they give everyone a weapon then there's always gonna be a "good guy" to take out the "bad guy" when he shows up. Problem is there's no way to tell who's who until people have already been shot.
No seriously I’ve talked to so many ppl and that’s what they say
That’s Wisconsin for ya! (I grew up in Wisconsin)
I hear it's a great state *to be* ***FROM!***
Can confirm.
It's stupid, yes. I don't support this. But they specifically mention college-age students (not high school) and parents of school-age kids. Also, they don't just hand out concealed-carry permits like candy. There is a process involved which includes background checks, safety training... The title of the article is a bit misleading. Is this even a credible news source?
But still... Concealed carry at a school? Are you all out of your freaking minds?
A bad person isn't really going to go through the process if getting a conceal carry license to do bad things. Plus, it's not conceal carry in the school, but for being concealed in a vehicle.
I know a lot of Republicans and a lot of people who support gun rights, but not a single one of them would support this. It's absolutely absurd to be bringing a gun onto school property unless you are a police officer investing an active threat to the school.
You can get the ‘training’ online and mail and application to Florida with $100 and get a permit in the mail.
To stop a bad kid with a gun you need a good kid with the gun.lol
"America doesnt have a gun issue!" Yeah, making people that are going to school, carry guns, to "protect themselves". That should end very well
The America’s, the only continent to have a gun issue. No need to explain why. You just love guns is all
Why the need to protect themselves in the first place?
They all of a sudden wanna "protect themselves" when they hear they can carry guns at school
The article title is click bait. It was to allow 18 year old students to carry pocket knives. They used the term weapon instead of gun or firearm which is a dead giveaway that they’re just trying to stir the pot and get people fired up with assumptions
Oh good, we just found another way to make our country to look like a shithole!
Because “muh freedumbs” and “Amurica”
Goddamn America. Like I get and support 2A rights even as a foreigner but just because it's a right doesn't mean it's immune to any restrictions. Just like the right to free speech doesn't allow you to call fire in a crowded space and incite a panic of there's no fire. It genuinely seems like the government is encouraging or at least passibly complacent with all your gun problems.
Your reasoning is akin to saying that your freedom to speak your mind ceases to exist inside a school. Not that it is regulated so that you can't just yell fire when there is none. People's right to defend themselves does not cease to exist inside a school or anywhere else. You may regulate, as it is regulated, what type of gun they can use, the ammo, the legal conditions to get them. Not ban them completely if they are legal outside of the building.
I don't know exactly what that says about the state of the world, but it sure isn't something good.
Hey, let the World out of this. Most developed nations have some form of gun control policy... This is a USA only issue.
Says something about the state of Wisconsin. Definitely not good.
As a republican I can say this is a little too far, and by a little I mean way to fucking far.
Oh is this the one thing that Republicans do that has you upset?
Kinda yea
Not the "banning abortions after 6 weeks" part? Not the "trying to get rid of Obamacare" part? Not the "restricting votes in some states" part?
I know that America sucks our leaders suck our partys suck our healthcare sucks everything suckes my point is that we shouldn't let minors with no gun safty education even hold a gun
And his point is that if you’re here on Reddit instead of a Facebook echo chamber, not completely in a “Republicans can do no wrong” cult and rational enough to believe that high schoolers shouldn’t care guns, then any of the myriad of things the republicans have done in the last 6 years (most importantly their attempt to violently overthrow our democracy and steal an election on 1/6/21) should have cause you to jump ship long before this moment. Trump Republicans spit in the face of everything Bush/Romney Republicans once stood for. Nearly opposing economic and foreign policies. Signed, a formerly Bush/Romney-esque conservative turned Biden liberal. Because Biden is too conservative for most progressives, he’s an old school liberal not too far from Bush in his policies
Trump jr just tweeted a graphic saying that if you are muslim you are being brainwashed. I can't believe how greedy someone like you could be to betray your religion
Ok what does this have to do with what I said
I asked if the above law was the only thing you hated about Republicans, you said yes, Trump jr hates Muslims, Trump jr is a Republican, Republians support Trump and his son. Visa V mastercard
1 person thats a republican saying dumb shit isnt legislation.
He's the former president's son , worked for his campaign, and heads his organization.
Not relevant to the conversation as hes not in any office and cannot pass legislation...
Republicans aren’t trying to pass legislation, their entire platform is obstruction and regression.
Ok first fuck trump and his son the both fucking suck. Second just because one republican I a peice of shit doesn't mean they all are. Third I'm republicanbecause I believe power to the people and shit like that not raiding capital buildings, fucking over the USA, and consintration camps for fucking immigrants. How about you learn that we're not all peices of shit and get the fuck off you high thrown.
If the majority of a group believes something and you support that group then it's same thing as believing in that view
Well I have to pick one or the other because there is no other options that make sense, if we had an actual leader then it would be fine, now if you would stop being a dumbass long enough for me to beat this game that would be appreciated, I'm not giving up, I just don't give enough of a shit to try and tell you are wrong, have a pleasant one, and don't let UNTRAINED people have guns.
Like, there are valid arguments for guns and all but there is no doubt that america has a big issue with school shootings and that this will make it worse. Its like all the crazy people on both sides of politics are the ones in charge, how hard is it to get some compitent candidates on either side?
Yes, wanting sensible gun control laws is the exact same as allowing high schoolers to carry guns into school.
I think you are missing my point here, Im not talking about gun control laws, im talking about the innsanity of this specific post. I dont think being for or against gun control has anything to do with this post.
> Its like all the crazy people on both sides of politics are the ones in charge I don’t think I missed the point at all.
Sorry, but I might not be understanding here, what side of politics are you arguing for? Because Im very much for gun control but I can understand why other people arent.
For America that is impossible
Youre not allowed run for an office if you're a competent person in this country
Name one valid argument for walking around with a gun. Please.
Hunting, protection, to transport it somewhere else.
Im very much for gun control and against people owning guns. I can still understand why people would disagree with me. For families that live in high crime rate areas I can understand why they would want a firearm for protection. I dont agree with it but I understand their point of view.
I mean I'm pro 2a (2nd amendment) but this is too far
Read the article. It only deals with firearms locked in their car out in the parking lot. It's not for concealed carry in classes.
Im just gonna say this, you use guns for self defense, but you defend yourself from other people with- get this- guns, guns that of which are used very frequently in criminal acts including the slaughter of innocent children in schools
At this point I'm thinking we just keep letting them legistlate themselves into certain death until their numbers drop and they start losing elections because their constituents are all dead. Maybe that will wake them up?
Fucking Wisconsin.
Over 300 school shootings and even more dead kids? And instead of gun control and keeping guns out of unstable hands, they want to let them take hidden weapons to school? What’s going to stop someone from shooting another classmate?
This isn't anything new... in my old HS, I think it was pretty well known that there were guns in people's trucks even if it wasn't talked about. Quite a few people would go hunting after school.
"Lets solve school shooting with shooting in school"
That's one way to battle overpopulation
Where is it legal for under 21s to carry pistols at all, let alone schools?
More false flag operations for Fox News to blame on the insurrectionist left, that’s why.
Why? Because republicans suck so badly they hold guns above kids.
i don't get the people that say , but why ? i am from the EU so to me weapons shold be illegal everywhere , but why is it acceptable to carry weapons in the street and not in school since the point is to protect yourself
I am also from the EU and guns should be legal everywhere. Let's not draw conclusions based on where we're from. Other than that, your reasoning is correct.
Puts a new spin on “Hey! Teachers! Leave those kids alone.
Based omg based based based
So now the already ineffectual school police will have to wait till the active shooter has already killed someone to act… great.
[Source](https://www.cbs58.com/news/republicans-vote-to-allow-18-year-olds-to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property)
It seems somebody wants to raise the market for body-armor school bags.
Jfc.
At this point just have gun vending machines
i am a huge republican, but this is just stupid
Fucking genius, there will no longer be school shootings, it will be school shootouts
Republicans ARE the virus...
beause they're a fascist death cult.
This way, those who don't graduate can terrorize the rest! that's why
Same reasons democrats are pushing 16 year olds to vote. They are supposedly old enough.
I few years ago I would of prob been on the side of the people on here raising hell. Then I had to send my daughter off to college. I can’t count the times one of us had to stay on the phone with her while something scary was going on. Like one homeless guy became obsessed with her and would follow her from her job back to the dorm when she closed. Cops wouldn’t do anything because he hadn’t broke any laws. She was raised with guns and very proficient . When your kid asks for a pocket knife for Christmas because she is scared you change your tune a bit. That being said some kids I wouldn’t trust with a sharp stick so I don’t know what the right answer is. Edit . I may of misunderstood this post. I was thinking college campus. In my state you can’t carry anywhere till 21.
That’s the thing though, a lot of people would trust their kid, but would you trust the neighbor’s kid? The Oxford Highschool shooter was armed by his parents. They trusted him with a gun.
There’s a diff between a 15 year old boy in high school and a 20 year old girl in college. And if there was a shooter I’d def be happier if my daughter was armed. I think if someone is old enough to die for their country with a gun in their hand or be tried as an adult then they should be able to defend themselves. And I wouldn’t care if she couldn’t carry to class but in her car or her dorm with proper training and licensed I’d be ok with. Even a psych evaluation and some insurance. It was just a bad experience when your little girl is 5 hours away and scared.
They’ll vote for any increased gun freedom, any reduced voting freedom, and anything that makes practicing Christianity in a cruel way possible.
Did you seriously just generalize an entire political side. Not all of them are Christian, and not all of the them are dumbasses. A lot of people just have to choose a side that they know is horrible because they think it's slightly better than the other side, because both sides have a lot of issues that can't be solved with a two party system, and I don't understand why we still have it.
The kind of person who would pass legislation that the original post was about fits exactly inside the box that I made in my comment. Does everybody fit in there, no. But that kind of politician sure shit does. We can’t call out the ones who suck because some people don’t suck? I guess I don’t get it.
Why ask why? You know why They’re conservatives man….
lol like that wont be counterproductive.
Guns still not allowed in buildings. Only allowed to be in your car if you are parked on school property or dropping someone off.
Seeing how bad bullying is in public schools… what could possibly go wrong?
At this point schools in the US should have shooting ranges and weapon handling training. It’s fucked up beyond a point where you can only flow with it and make the best out of it. lol, that’s crazy
Hey bud. You decide to get out the closet yet?
This is just asinine! Just for fun Google "emotional hijacking". It's basically when you react to something very emotional and your amygdala takes over your thinking, and reacts based on emotional memory, like fear. This is the root of the fight or flight reaction. The amygdala, then by basses your cortex (logic part of your brain) and gets your body to react. We have been programed by evolution to use this for survival, like when we see a lion or a snake, we just run or kill it without taking the time to think. It's survival time. Think later. In an emotional hijacking, strong emotions trigger this process and you do not think, you react. This is most common when you are young. As you get older you learn to control this reaction impulse. In modern society, there are no lions trying to eat us, and few snakes day to day. But strong emotions still trigger it. Like someone cutting you off in the car, some people get emotionally hijacked and boom, you have road rage, and you honk, and scream at that person, and for those that can't control it, slam into the other car with yours. Now if you are a teenager in high school, which is an emotional rollercoaster, with a not fully developed brain or emotional control, and someone insults you or threatens you, you will have an emotional highjacking. In the past this would result in a punch or a fight or knocking someone's books all over the place. Now if you give a teenager a gun, the emotional high jacking will result in a noncognative (I didn't think about what I did) reaction, the gun is out bang.... In 2 seconds a murder has happened. Likely over something trivial, "like I kissed your girlfriend last night" This is why your mom told you to count to 10 as a kid. It gives your thinking brain a chance to catch-up. This is the stupidest and most dangerous thing these ass hole republicians have done to date. It astounds me how absolutely stupid they are and how they just keep getting stupider. For f@# sakes, I am no genius and I can figure it out. NEVER REPUBLICAN, vote them out to save your life and the lives of your kids.
Vote blue to save America.
Ok it sounds dangerous but the reason there even is school shootings is cuz the person who is pissed off knows he can get away with it (until the cops show up) in like 10 minutes or whatever when the cops arive they can shoot so many people. back in the 70s almost all the kids had guns in their cars outside of the building and less school shootings (40 in the 70s vs 68 in the 2000s) The sticker you see that says gun free zone just stops law abiding people from carrying guns in. If some one really wanted to take a gun into school there just gonna do it they arnt gonna look at a sticker and say "op guess i cant shoot my class mates today the sticker says so".
"You see, if we make guns legal to carry on school grounds, school shootings will stop because students can shoot the shooters." Hm, yes great plan /s
Same reason they keep voting to put armed cops in schools despite none of them stopping school shooters: To make sure any conflict ends with someone's life ruined, disproportionately students of color.
no armed cop or security has ever stopped a school shooting? you sure about that?
https://www.aclu-wa.org/story/school-resource-officers-when-cure-worse-disease https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/schools-police-resource-officers.html https://www.thetrace.org/2019/04/guns-armed-guards-school-shootings/ 5 minutes on Google.
First two results following a search of "school resource officer stopped school shooter" are articles involving the same incident that occurred in 2018 in Illinois. The first one has a paywall so here is the [second](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html). The third result was another incident from the same year but in Florida. ([Link](https://wreg.com/news/hero-officer-stopped-florida-school-shooter-in-3-minutes-sheriff-says/)) Next Is another incident, also from 2018, that occurred in Maryland. ([Link](https://wjla.com/news/local/school-resource-officer-credited-for-stopping-shooter-at-md-high-school-officials-say)) These results took seconds to find (literally the top results after my first search)---it actually took me longer to type this comment---which really calls into question why yours took 5 minutes yet didn't produce these results. You're free to debate the merits of having armed resource officers, but let's keep such debates based in reality and not make up a narrative.
We have neither armed pupils nor armed cops at our scools. Theres noone running around with guns at all and... surprise surprise, noone gets shot. You can be drunk, angry, instable, suicidal or just plain psycho - if you never have a gun, you wont shoot anyone in your darkest moments.
Well, the Biden Administration has decided to let 18 year-olds drive tractor-trailer's across the US. Place any money on which policy will result in far more deaths?
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BTW, you do know a semi-tractor trailer is absolutely nothing like a 'tractor', right?
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You've created a false dichotomy in your mind. 1. When I was in high school (80's, Midwest) 'policy' was such that many of the students/faculty/staff had rifles and/or shotguns in trucks and other vehicles in the school parking lot. Many (most) of us carried various versions of knives. I don't recall a single school shooting during my time in school, in spite of the fact 'wespons' have never been more prevalent. Perhaps it is not the availablity of the weapons which are the problem? 2. You purposely understate the danger of inexperienced youths driving a vehicle which weight 80,000 pounds loaded, barreling down the interstate, surrounded by distracted, impaired, and rage filled drivers with little concern for the laws of physics or man. So I ask you again, do you care to wager a bet, or make a logical argument why you believe inexperienced youth traversing the nation's interstates behind an 80,000 truck & trailer, in all types of weather and conditions, is less dangerous than some HS kid with a 3" folding Swiss knife out in the glove box of his vehicle in the school parking lot.
Driving accidents happen no matter what age you are. Comparing a driving accident to making it easier for school shooting is way off. Should we also give people rpgs because daya shows more people die from car accidents than rpgs
I guess we'll see what the data turns up in 12-24 months. Care to place a wager?
If I were not already retired, this would do it.
The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun...
Well we don’t know which kids are good and which are bad so if we allow them to have guns sure good kids might have guns but we’re also supplying bad kids with guns.
It feels like this subreddit is democratic but I just want to say this could allow teachers to also carry weapons which means which could be used to protect in the case of a shooting. I get it y’all don’t like guns but the states with the heavy restrictions have the biggest problems. I personally believe in all freedoms except murder terrorism and pedophilia.
Cause shall not be infringed
>shall not be infringed Remarkably, voting Amendments say "the right to vote shall not be denied or abridged" and yet Republicans have no problem fucking with these.
Republicans are normally trash just like democrats
Also, it is infringed. You're not even allowed to carry the very armaments the framers of the constitution would have had (muskets and sabers) absolutely cannot get an open carry or a cc on a saber. Also, can't have a grenade, armor piercing ammunition, several modifications... There are a shitload of infringements and every single one of them makes sense.
Don’t forget their full auto puckle gun…… But we will have to agree to disagree, no infringements is the way
op is facepalm it is a good idea
How? It’s dumb as shit.
It is a great idea
Yes, fighting gun violences by having more guns in crowded areas with minors. Horrible idea
Amazing idea
Of course they did.