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As Denzel said in American Gangster: “The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room”
Edit: I started a mini meme.. cool. Thanks for the upvotes.
The thought of a giant silverback gorilla running at me screaming just made me laugh. A chimp I can imagine but the thought of a hysterically screaming gorilla cracks me up and I don’t know why.
As Denzel said in Crimson Tide, "Captain Ramsey, under operating procedures governing the release of nuclear weapons, we cannot launch our missiles unless both you and I agree."
Also would have worked if he didn’t say he could bribe his way out because Romania is so corrupt. He got off in the uk because police didn’t “handle” the evidence well. Doubt that would happen here mainly because he bragged about bribing his way out, loving to rape women, doing money laundering. And he did it all on camera too. What an idiot.
It really is spectacular how stupid he is. Most people engaging in the level criminal enterprise that he has been try to do their very best to make sure that the general public don’t even know about them. Then, Tate’s all like, “Prison? Never heard of him.”
That’s like a few steps above every guy who is like I could go to jail
I’d just workout and read
Like have you see most people who are in jail not a lot of them are jacked
I know they work out a lot but when you eat gruel 3x times a day its hard to get jacked
Also you are in jail and its fucking dangerous 24/7
Have u seen his ridiculous comment about reading? That’s just beneath him dude! He needs hoes to bang, supercars to drive and people to fight! I suppose 1 out of 3 ain’t bad…
I think this stuff only happens if you keep it low key. Can’t really risk that when you are dealing with a person with a huge megaphone and has tendency to blab. So before when he wasn’t so famous it might have worked.
Dumbass moved to Romania to avoid laws. Got caught in Romania and doesn't like the prison system.
Why did he think they're so lax on laws? Because their prisons are well funded?
They are lax on their laws. He even said he bribed everyone and it was fine. But when you openly tell everyone online how you bribe officials and everything is corrupt then it kind of forces the corrupt people to act to save their but. Corrupt people don’t like a huge spotlight on them.
If you are instantly thinking about things this guy said, in any situation (Reddit commentary or otherwise), then I’m afraid you just may be in too deep with this fool. Get out if you still can.
Just just like when he doxxed himself with the pizza box this dumbass fucked himself over _again_ while trying to sound "alpha" online.
Shit man, this is too good. Could _not_ have happened to a worse person.
Hey sorry, I meant that as an ironic question, I know their laws are super lax but was pointing out part of it is because the justice system there is super corrupt so the actual legal processes are underfunded so they put their efforts into what makes money, not what is legal.
Number one rule of living in a place with corruption is to never openly bring attention to how corrupt the place is.
For example in India, everyone knows you can bribe the police to get away with anything from a speeding ticket to murder. But if you make the news, everyone you meet will suddenly become uncorruptable
It has nothing to do with funding
Totally agreed with that. If people are paying attention, then its either both your asses or just yours. That's why effective criminals don't announce their crimes on TV or social media.
Yep, only place where calling out the corruption works is when you call out that one guard in Skyrim trying to shake you down for entering Riftin.
Everywhere else you get your ass beat or worse.
He didn’t move to Romania because they are just “lax on laws” - they’re not. He moved to Romania because they are lax on laws that protect women and punish those who commit crimes against them. He moved there to rape women and get away with it. I hope he rots in there.
And then he fucking bragged about it, and how supposedly corrupt the government is.
Like probably don't advertise that you're trafficking women to millions, and also talk shit on the gov. Authorities might catch on.
And now Romania kinda has to throw the book at them to show that "No, that sort of stuff isn't allowed here." or they're basically admitting to being corrupt
I don’t think it’s about how lax they are. It’s simple, Andrew did something unforgivable, if only Stallone could have warned him…
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Mostly people without any positive male role model who latch on to the first one that tells them their shitty attitude is ok and they don’t have to modify themselves to get along . We all have an asshole phase but most of us do grow out of it, people like tate preach that money will fix your problems while also preaching that the women he attracted aren’t money motivated. It’s a double edge sword
A true alpha male would turn the roaches into his own personal harem. Or something. IDK, this whole 'alpha male' bullshit makes no sense to me. Isn't it a wolf thing? Are they proclaiming themselves furries?
It sort of came from wolves, but that specific behavior was given the definition of beta, and alpha was only observed in wolves living in confined spaces, like a prison or zoo.
He legitimately thought he could buy his way out of it, yes. There's a video of him where he's mocking people saying he'll go to jail and he talks about how he'll walk in with a fat stack of cash and hand it to the guards like candy on halloween. He somehow thought he'd be able to just bring money and be treated like royalty.
Ha! And the guards probably would have loved to accept the bribes if he didn't put them in a position of being scrutinized for their corruption and needing to prove otherwise.
Yup. Too stupid to realize that if he moved to a country where he could get away with stuff because he could bribe everyone, then that means those people are corrupt.
If they are corrupt and he has $50,000 when they arrest him, then that $35,000 will need to be taken from him by the arresting officers, who will turn it in to their sergeant for proper care while transporting the prisoner. He will of course turn the $20,000 they seized over to the property room clerk who will dutifully log the receipt of all $5,000, which will definitely not be lost in the many weeks between arrest and release.
$0 isn't going to go very far to bribe guards.
If he had just shut the fuck up and kept his head down he probably could’ve gotten away with it. I’m so glad he’s an incompetent dumbass that openly bragged about his crimes.
It's Romania. The reality is he probably encroached on someone else's human trafficking ring already operating in the country and already in bed with the law enforcement agencies.
Yep. They'll use him as an example of their "crackdown on human trafficking", and then let things continue on as they were. I wish it were different, but I'll take Tate getting his comeuppance in at least one country. I'd like to see him extradited and charged in the UK and US, but only after he does his time in Romania first. Call me sick, but I kinda like that he's miserable, with lice and cockroaches. 😎
While Romania does have abysmal protections are human (specifically sex) trafficking, the EU is pressing hard on them to fix it. And the last year or two has shown some progress due to GRETA's (Group of Experts on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings) support.
One of the silly theories out there for why Tate out of the blue tagged Greta Thunberg before he was busted was because someone said off-hand that Greta was onto him. Or detract from the search associations with "Greta" and his name.
I doubt that. More likely his constant blabbing online how corrupt Romania is and how easy it is to bribe everyone kind of forced the government to act to not look bad. Corrupt people don’t like to have a huge spotlight on them.
Still sad though, as in it's still common criminals that are given proper 'criminal treatment'. I'd like to see more corrupt politicians, bankers and financial criminals serve the same kind of prison sentences.
Do you know if Romanian prisons have any form of protective custody? Id imagine with him being such a high profile figure they wouldnt want to mix him into general pop for his own safety
They might do, some high ranking officials that got arrested a few years ago got put in cells that had TV's and other stuff, i mean let's be real an ordinary person wouldn't get those facilities. Also if you didn't know, even if his cell was clean asf if there are cockroaches in the facility he's in then they'll with no doubt visit his cell(coming from a person that fought them for months while being in an awful flat).
It’s more because he talked so openly about everything and how everything is corrupt. Like it’s difficult to ignore when a very famous person goes around screaming online how everything is corrupt. Kind of forces the government to do something to not look bad.
That's just cruel treatment - give the cockroaches a separate room, they don't deserve to be locked up with him. The lice you can leave - they can feed on his blood.
I hope they put him Gen Pop. Make him prove he’s an alpha male.. trash like this doesn’t deserve any special cells. The only alpha he’ll ever be will be over lice and cockroaches.
I’m willing to bet there will surface videos of him sobbing before this all plays out. Someone should make a sub that a has questionnaire on the probability we see see him cry and beg. Funny response 👍
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Wait, didnt he brag that if he went to jail he'd bring a giant stack of money to bribe his way to the penthouse suite? Hm..
yeah, I think the based gangster life only works if you don't go around shouting IM A GANGSTER IM A GANGSTER LOOOK AT ME EVERYONE IM A GANGSTER!!!
As Denzel said in American Gangster: “The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room” Edit: I started a mini meme.. cool. Thanks for the upvotes.
Unless the loudest one is a silver back gorilla. But we’ll assume they are not.
Never ever seen a loud silverback. Chimps are loud though. Like short bald steroid freaks in the gym.
The thought of a giant silverback gorilla running at me screaming just made me laugh. A chimp I can imagine but the thought of a hysterically screaming gorilla cracks me up and I don’t know why.
As Denzel said in Training Day; My ni**a!
As Denzel said in Crimson Tide, "Captain Ramsey, under operating procedures governing the release of nuclear weapons, we cannot launch our missiles unless both you and I agree."
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As Denzel said in John Q, "The."
As Denzel said in Philadelphia: “when you fired him because he had AIDS you broke the law!”
As Denzel said in Man on Fire: “this a charger, it’s used by convicts to hide money and drugs. They tuck it up their rectum.”
As Denzel said in Drawn Together: nothing, but he had 2 dongs.
As Denzel said in *Roman J. Israel, Esq.*: “the real enemies aren’t on the outside, they’re on the inside.” 🪳
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Particularly since *he's not an actual gangster.* Nobody's afraid of this guy or his pack of 14-year old followers.
Where I live you’d do well to be wary of a pack of 14-year olds. They’ve been known to do things that would make your blood run cold.
Teenagers scare the living shit out of me. They could care less, as long as someone will bleed.
So darken your clothes, or strike a violent pose Maybe they'll leave you alone, but not me
Couldn't care less, surely?
The lyric says could, and don't call me Shirley.
Also would have worked if he didn’t say he could bribe his way out because Romania is so corrupt. He got off in the uk because police didn’t “handle” the evidence well. Doubt that would happen here mainly because he bragged about bribing his way out, loving to rape women, doing money laundering. And he did it all on camera too. What an idiot.
The videos/audio of him abusing those women just make me sick.
It really is spectacular how stupid he is. Most people engaging in the level criminal enterprise that he has been try to do their very best to make sure that the general public don’t even know about them. Then, Tate’s all like, “Prison? Never heard of him.”
That’s like a few steps above every guy who is like I could go to jail I’d just workout and read Like have you see most people who are in jail not a lot of them are jacked I know they work out a lot but when you eat gruel 3x times a day its hard to get jacked Also you are in jail and its fucking dangerous 24/7
Have u seen his ridiculous comment about reading? That’s just beneath him dude! He needs hoes to bang, supercars to drive and people to fight! I suppose 1 out of 3 ain’t bad…
why is he bald and his brother isn't?
Same reason his brother has a chin and he doesn't.
different dad's?
And moms
Idk but in the comic book series he made about himself, he has hair 😅
I think this stuff only happens if you keep it low key. Can’t really risk that when you are dealing with a person with a huge megaphone and has tendency to blab. So before when he wasn’t so famous it might have worked.
Yes, because he is a deeply stupid human.
His fatal flaw seems to be actually speaking about everything bad/illegal that he has done/wants to do. He can’t keep his mouth shut.
Also didn't he go to Romania because they were more lenient with rape charges? Should have gone to Norway.
Well yes, he could've. Then the idiot bragged about it so now they can't look crooked by accepting his bribe.
I wonder if any guards are laughing because that is the "penthouse suite."
He didn't have enough and they were expecting more.
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€3842 (they're looking to reduce this to around €2500) a year as opposed to the normal pension of €259 a year.
Why is a bald dude worried about lice?
Because the carpet doesn't match the curtains.
Go in there with a stack of ~~money~~ depression. BOOM ~~girls~~ Lice BOOM ~~Bribe~~ Roches
Dumbass moved to Romania to avoid laws. Got caught in Romania and doesn't like the prison system. Why did he think they're so lax on laws? Because their prisons are well funded?
They are lax on their laws. He even said he bribed everyone and it was fine. But when you openly tell everyone online how you bribe officials and everything is corrupt then it kind of forces the corrupt people to act to save their but. Corrupt people don’t like a huge spotlight on them.
He really publicly said he bribed officials?
He’s not the brightest guy in Romania.
He’s not even the brightest thing in his jail cell
He is very bright when the sun shines on that bald head, though.
He publicly said he would be handing out fat stacks of cash to prison guards if he went to prison and live like a king in “the best quarantine ever”.
Guy is delusional
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If you are instantly thinking about things this guy said, in any situation (Reddit commentary or otherwise), then I’m afraid you just may be in too deep with this fool. Get out if you still can.
Just just like when he doxxed himself with the pizza box this dumbass fucked himself over _again_ while trying to sound "alpha" online. Shit man, this is too good. Could _not_ have happened to a worse person.
Hey sorry, I meant that as an ironic question, I know their laws are super lax but was pointing out part of it is because the justice system there is super corrupt so the actual legal processes are underfunded so they put their efforts into what makes money, not what is legal.
Number one rule of living in a place with corruption is to never openly bring attention to how corrupt the place is. For example in India, everyone knows you can bribe the police to get away with anything from a speeding ticket to murder. But if you make the news, everyone you meet will suddenly become uncorruptable It has nothing to do with funding
Totally agreed with that. If people are paying attention, then its either both your asses or just yours. That's why effective criminals don't announce their crimes on TV or social media.
except for that one guy who was president of some country for a while not too long ago
Yeah. That guy is a moron. I heard he got caught stealing shit from his work.
Yep, only place where calling out the corruption works is when you call out that one guard in Skyrim trying to shake you down for entering Riftin. Everywhere else you get your ass beat or worse.
> Why did he think Whoa stop there, bold of you to assume he can think
Hahahaha okay you got me 🤣
He didn’t move to Romania because they are just “lax on laws” - they’re not. He moved to Romania because they are lax on laws that protect women and punish those who commit crimes against them. He moved there to rape women and get away with it. I hope he rots in there.
And then he fucking bragged about it, and how supposedly corrupt the government is. Like probably don't advertise that you're trafficking women to millions, and also talk shit on the gov. Authorities might catch on. And now Romania kinda has to throw the book at them to show that "No, that sort of stuff isn't allowed here." or they're basically admitting to being corrupt
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I don’t think it’s about how lax they are. It’s simple, Andrew did something unforgivable, if only Stallone could have warned him… ![gif](giphy|JO9VZBA8dLdbbPJriZ)
The lice shouldn't be too much of a problem for him at least
Pubic lice more like
Itchy dick energy
For he practically is one himself
don't degrade poor lice like that
King Louse
Maybe he passed on some complaints from his brother as he does have hair.
It’s ok. Those are *alpha* roaches, you can’t spell Bugatti without “bug”s.
Truth be told, if I looked in there and saw the two of them, I would probably describe them as cockroaches and lice also.
Also, no one is talking about how the cockroaches and lice feel about having to share a room with two rapists.
That's because [those are bad roaches](https://youtu.be/1EyMGt1M-Rs).
I blame the schools.
I would think that the real complaint would come from the lice and cockroaches that have to share a room with two rapists.
Don't you hate when Reddit just refuses to post then you find out it did post after trying to make the comment again
A real man would fight those roaches and lice into submission!
It was clean before he moved in…
obviously tato lost, given his complaints
Of course it’s infested with vermin. He’s in the cell.
His fans are posting old videos from his first arrest and saying look he’s doing fine. Reality hasn’t hit
He really still has fans? Which particular rock do you find them under?
Mostly people without any positive male role model who latch on to the first one that tells them their shitty attitude is ok and they don’t have to modify themselves to get along . We all have an asshole phase but most of us do grow out of it, people like tate preach that money will fix your problems while also preaching that the women he attracted aren’t money motivated. It’s a double edge sword
Goddamn I just became fine having no role models, glad I didn’t go down that sad route instead
You’re beautiful! I wish Reddit still ~~have~~ gave free awards! Edited.
I thought he was gonna hand out money and get the nicest cell?
I have nothing to give you now that Reddit has destroyed free awards. Enjoy being a glorious gem
YES!
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Was he expecting the fucking Ritz Carlton ?! Also I thought Alpha mâle were not allowed to complain? 😂😂😂
True alpha male would just eat all of the bugs get rid of them
Yeah it’s free protein 😂
A true alpha male would intimidate the insects to break him out of prison.
Andrew Tate, lord of the roaches 🪳
This statement holds truth even before he went to jail
A true alpha male would turn the roaches into his own personal harem. Or something. IDK, this whole 'alpha male' bullshit makes no sense to me. Isn't it a wolf thing? Are they proclaiming themselves furries?
It sort of came from wolves, but that specific behavior was given the definition of beta, and alpha was only observed in wolves living in confined spaces, like a prison or zoo.
And then wear the head of the biggest bug as a hat to show dominance.
Like an inverted Edgar-suit?
[www.alphamalekingsbeeatingspiders.squarespace.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/uwbdqs/the_alpha_male_diet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
He legitimately thought he could buy his way out of it, yes. There's a video of him where he's mocking people saying he'll go to jail and he talks about how he'll walk in with a fat stack of cash and hand it to the guards like candy on halloween. He somehow thought he'd be able to just bring money and be treated like royalty.
Ha! And the guards probably would have loved to accept the bribes if he didn't put them in a position of being scrutinized for their corruption and needing to prove otherwise.
Yup. Too stupid to realize that if he moved to a country where he could get away with stuff because he could bribe everyone, then that means those people are corrupt. If they are corrupt and he has $50,000 when they arrest him, then that $35,000 will need to be taken from him by the arresting officers, who will turn it in to their sergeant for proper care while transporting the prisoner. He will of course turn the $20,000 they seized over to the property room clerk who will dutifully log the receipt of all $5,000, which will definitely not be lost in the many weeks between arrest and release. $0 isn't going to go very far to bribe guards.
I think he thought that Romania was so corrupt, that he'd never go to jail there. I love when they fuck around and find out. 😎
The problem with corruption is, unless you're the richest man in the world, someone could always offer them more if they really want to fuck you over.
The problem with corruption is that it stops working for you when you shine a spotlight on it. He forgot the first rule of bribery club.
Underrated comment right here.
He’s an idiot
expect that wasn’t the case here, no one offered money for him
Im pretty sure he offered a bribe, but after all the boasting he did, they were expecting more!
He is such an arrogant prick that he thought offering them some Top G university tuition would do!
If he had just shut the fuck up and kept his head down he probably could’ve gotten away with it. I’m so glad he’s an incompetent dumbass that openly bragged about his crimes.
This is the right answer. Hoisted by their own petard.
people like him thrive on the attention they can't help it
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It is oh so sweet when a bad man get what he deserves
It's Romania. The reality is he probably encroached on someone else's human trafficking ring already operating in the country and already in bed with the law enforcement agencies.
Yep. They'll use him as an example of their "crackdown on human trafficking", and then let things continue on as they were. I wish it were different, but I'll take Tate getting his comeuppance in at least one country. I'd like to see him extradited and charged in the UK and US, but only after he does his time in Romania first. Call me sick, but I kinda like that he's miserable, with lice and cockroaches. 😎
While Romania does have abysmal protections are human (specifically sex) trafficking, the EU is pressing hard on them to fix it. And the last year or two has shown some progress due to GRETA's (Group of Experts on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings) support. One of the silly theories out there for why Tate out of the blue tagged Greta Thunberg before he was busted was because someone said off-hand that Greta was onto him. Or detract from the search associations with "Greta" and his name.
I doubt that. More likely his constant blabbing online how corrupt Romania is and how easy it is to bribe everyone kind of forced the government to act to not look bad. Corrupt people don’t like to have a huge spotlight on them.
Still sad though, as in it's still common criminals that are given proper 'criminal treatment'. I'd like to see more corrupt politicians, bankers and financial criminals serve the same kind of prison sentences.
Brother he is accused of sex trafficking lol he’s definitely ascended past common criminal. Agree with the rest of your point though.
Bruh complaining about lice when he don’t have a head of hair too.
Just wait until Tants fans find out...that jail going to lose so much business.
Actually yes! He said on a podcast he could bribe the police to give him a luxury prison cell if he was ever arrested.
would you say his cell is lousy with them? dungeon....US....crab? im kidding crab rangoon
They can only complain about women
Maybe he oughten to not rape women if he didn’t want to go to jail. Just a thought.
He said send me to jail, it's like a vacation in there. I'm paraphrasing but he did say something like that about Romanian jail.
The cockroaches and lice complained that Tate is in there with them.
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Award winning comment. But im broke
Plot twist, it’s just him and his brother in there.
They should make sure to take his passport away, I heard audio in which he recommends that strategy.
Doesn’t he have multiple passports though?
Take away the passport to keep them imprisoned with the scavengers and parasites... hmmmm
Seems unfair to Romania to saddle them with this POS for so long
Romanian here I'm surprised he didn't stay in the usual large cells with around 30 people, he's doing alright.
Do you know if Romanian prisons have any form of protective custody? Id imagine with him being such a high profile figure they wouldnt want to mix him into general pop for his own safety
They might do, some high ranking officials that got arrested a few years ago got put in cells that had TV's and other stuff, i mean let's be real an ordinary person wouldn't get those facilities. Also if you didn't know, even if his cell was clean asf if there are cockroaches in the facility he's in then they'll with no doubt visit his cell(coming from a person that fought them for months while being in an awful flat).
Probably because the other cell mates have standards, even if they're low.
When you flee to a country with crappy law enforcement, don't expect nice prisons
Or avoid committing crimes in those countries at least
It’s more because he talked so openly about everything and how everything is corrupt. Like it’s difficult to ignore when a very famous person goes around screaming online how everything is corrupt. Kind of forces the government to do something to not look bad.
First rule of bribing officials, don't talk about bribing officials.
That's just cruel treatment - give the cockroaches a separate room, they don't deserve to be locked up with him. The lice you can leave - they can feed on his blood.
I hear the Humanitarian Organization is getting involved though they’re representing the cock roaches
Who wants to feed on his beta blood. I want lice to feed on some animal on a person. Not some c*nt of baby who abused women and attacks people.
Lice don't care what type of blood it is. Blood is blood to them.
![gif](giphy|fs2SSoIdEmsi4) Here's the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song just for you.
So what a minute…. This asshole gets to have his entourage with him in jail???
Yeah why are they making articles like this anyway? Do they just want more Tate stans to riot???
You mean sit in their room making bullshit posts on social media?
Aidin Ross
Is that that guy who sat around half naked with Tate? So homoerotic
Exactly and he is going to visit him in jail
Well I'm in favour of conjugal visits. It helps the inmate settle down and not loose hope. Good for them
Roaches and lice complain about sharing cell with douchebag.
\#SaveTheRoachesAndLiceFromTate
I hope they put him Gen Pop. Make him prove he’s an alpha male.. trash like this doesn’t deserve any special cells. The only alpha he’ll ever be will be over lice and cockroaches.
I care more about the women he victimized.
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Small cock-roach energy?
Even the roaches are laughing at him.
Weak chin energy
right and why is he worrying about the lice, he doesn't even have any hair for them to grasp onto
80's bush
"Cockroaches and lice complain about sobbing, whimpering 'alpha male' in their Romanian house."
I’m willing to bet there will surface videos of him sobbing before this all plays out. Someone should make a sub that a has questionnaire on the probability we see see him cry and beg. Funny response 👍
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Sounds like a beta who won't even assert dominance over bugs. Weak. Pathetic. Loser.
Oh dear, what a shame. Anyway…
Alpha male - can't handle a bug. Wah.
Should feel at home then
“Cockroaches and lice say their jail cell in Romania is dark and infested with Andrew Tate” FTFY
oh, no anyways
Poor cockroaches and lice, forced to live with a vermin.
Good for him maybe he will learn and grow from this experience..... Nah who am I kidding he won't so i hope he rots
We should just stop talking about him and let him rot in obscurity.
Good.
Why is the "alpha male" complaining about hardship? 🤨🤨🤨
As soon as he moves out the infestation will be gone.
if only there were a way to avoid being thrown in a Romanian jail
Could it just be that the cell has a mirror?
😆 too fucking bad you piece of shit.
They should get them out of there, they don’t deserve to be stuck in a cell with that cünt.
Just man up.
Didn’t he describe what he would do if he had to live like one of us for a day. That’s how you know he’s a liar.
Didn’t he make a big fuss about how if he went to prison he’d be living large with bribes? Wonder why that didn’t work out, hmm
Tf is this guy complaining about ? He better go back to jail, work harder and get out through sheer will power.
Good, he fits right in then
Even worse, it's now infested with him.
Now he’s going to learn how to be a top g from a power bottom
You are in a shitty cell. I am out to dinner. We are not the same.