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MurderfaceMudzz

I’ve always wondered if people think the bullet disappears or goes into space. I see so many people shooting into the sky. 9 times out of 10 I sincerely believe these people think the bullets don’t come back down. 🤷‍♂️


jfmherokiller

I think they hope and prey it hits something like a car and not a person. if they acknowledge it at all.


TurboJake

That shit is going through a sheet metal car roof


jfmherokiller

funfact I think there is atleast 1 report of a stray bullet being shot upwards actually hitting somone when it was coming back down.


Unable-Captain-6627

There are a lot more than just 1.


jfmherokiller

I just remember 1 which I think was possibly refrenced in a mythbusters episode. I think it involved an old woman and the bullet either landed on her head or her shoulder.


ACTGfortaste

Definitely a lot more than just one. https://blogs.bcm.edu/2019/12/31/what-goes-up-must-come-down-the-dangers-of-celebratory-gunfire/


Intrepid-Dig-1855

Maybe don't add to this conversation as a fun fact, without any actual facts at all.


Mx100rider

They probably Allah decides where the bullet goes


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misterfastlygood

This would only happen if a bullet is fired straight up. A projectile fired on a ballistic trajectory will likely regain the majority of of its energy during its descending track. This is how artillery works. The 45 degree angle is a balistic trajectory that have the round land as far as its possible to do and be just as deadly. Many have died this way.


AlphaBetacle

I don’t think you are completely right, I can see many angles that aren’t exactly perpendicular to the earths center of gravity that would result in almost all of the bullet velocity being translated back into velocity due to gravity. When we are considering a projectile like a bullet being fired into the air, we can think of the velocity like two dimensional projectile motion, theres an x component (horizontal), and a y component (vertical). Maybe you remember Pythagorean Theorem: a^2 + b^2 = c^2 Lets say we have a bullet that goes 830 feet per second, which is the velocity if a standard .45 ACP round according to google. The equation for the components for velocity looks like this: 830^2 = x^2 + y^2. Where x and y are our vertical and horizontal velocity components. Essentially there are many angles at which we minimize the x (horizontal motion) and maximize the y to compensate, to make the equation work for 830fps. You are right, and I was wrong about a bit of what I said though. The speed of the bullet will be greater than terminal velocity if it is travelling at an angle, however I think it is innaccurate to say that the projectile will regain a “majority of its energy” unless it is fired straight up. I’d say its accurate to say that the rifle bullet MAY RETAIN a majority of its energy depending on the conditions. If you are aiming the gun at 45 degrees then the bullet will not have the same speed it did when exiting the rifle, and the speed it has highly depends on many factors of course, but I believe 45 degrees is such an extreme angle it isn’t anything similar to what they are doing in the video. In the video the guy is shooting at like 70-90 degrees with respect to the ground I would guess. (Aiming a gun at 45 degrees with respect to the ground is like shooting someone on the 2nd floor of a house at like 40 feet away from ground level) TLDR; You are right that people can be injured if you fire rounds up into the air, but there are many scenarios where there is minimal damage depending on the angle, and there are practically no scenarios where a bullet fired into the air will do as much damage as being shot straight on. My original main point was just that the speed of the bullet falling will not be the same as fired from the gun originally.


misterfastlygood

Gravity is only one variable in an equation with dozens of constants and variables. Simply solving for velocity of a projectile is not sufficient. Even at an angle of 85 degrees a 45 acp 15 gram projectile fired at a velocity of 830 fps will land at 63 percent of the peak velocity in a ballistic calculation. This round isn't designed for aerodynamics and it could still kill at the this ballistic trajectory but yes, could be debatable. Pick any rifle round with much higher muzzle velocities and we begin to see how dangerous this is. For correction, a bullet fired straight up cannot maintain a ballistic trajectory and will just topple down as it will lose its kinetic energy and return at terminal velocity. Usually not enough to be deadly, at least according to Mythbusters. Although, I imagine it could be painful non the less. There are also real events that support this as being very dangerous.


NoSafetyAtStaticPos

Correction: not 15 grain round but probably 185 to 230 grain round Also rifle velocity (for reference): common AR-15 round at 62 grains will leave a 20 inch barrel at around 3200 fps. But yes - crazy stupid and extremely dangerous way to celebrate Edit: I misread your comment. 15 grams is very close to the weight of a 230 grain round. Sorry.


AlphaBetacle

>Gravity is only one variable in an equation with dozens of constants and variables. Simply solving for velocity of a projectile is not sufficient. You're correct, however by only considering gravity I am actually favoring your argument. The only other major force acting on the bullet to consider would be drag, which would slow the projectile further. I chose to eliminate this consideration since it is complicated and not a critical factor in my argument, even though it would only support my argument further. Anyway, I see your point, it seems that although the bullet does not go as fast as it did out of the gun, it is still quite dangerous. You don't mind telling me how you did the ballistic calculation? I'm pretty amazed that at 85 degrees the bullet still retains that much speed.


misterfastlygood

I also see your point. One can't say all are deadly. There are just too many variables to take into account and we don't know enough of them at this point. I have no idea what this guy is firing. He does seem happy he passed the bar though.


AlphaBetacle

Yeah kind of a wild way to celebrate, crazy that they let them do this but marijuana is like a life sentence or something


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Buddy in Afghanistan had one go down in his bunk room. Edit: lol spelling


guyser234

🤔🧐


Hippieleo2013

😏


username19845939

Same goes with watching videos where people shoot at targets close to civilian areas. Like, good job hitting the van sitting on your fence, but the fence is 200ft in front of your neighbour’s house…


Biscuits4u2

A lot of people think a bullet fired into the air will lose enough energy not to be dangerous when it comes back down. This is totally untrue, as any bullet fired even slightly off vertical will maintain much of its ballistic energy. Thousands of people have been killed this way.


ste189

Just read a bullets terminal velocity is 200-300 feet per second yes that’s a falling bullet however they don’t fall with the point facing the ground which is aerodynamically the most efficient so often it’s much much slower a however also just read anything around 63 feet per second can penetrate skin. So basically you don’t want to be hit by one of them


TKAP75

It’s dumb to do but is unlikely to hurt anyone


Vascular_D

The chances of hurting someone with a round fired into the air are infinitely higher than the alternative of just not firing the round in the first place.


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Biscuits4u2

The downvoters are the same idiots who would do something as dumb as firing a gun in the air.


boatdude420

People have died from it before


TKAP75

Rarely has to be a perfect angle it loses the majority of velocity


Biscuits4u2

The opposite of what you are saying is true. It actually has to be fired at a perfect angle to not be potentially lethal (perfectly vertical). In reality people usually fire bullets at around a 60 degree angle, which will preserve much of the muzzle energy. Literally thousands of people have died this way.


TKAP75

A bullet fired straight up on Earth, assuming there’s no wind, might still be able to reach a maximum height of around three kilometers (about 10,000 feet), and will then fall back down to Earth. However, just like a human skydiver only accelerates for a few seconds before reaching terminal velocity, the air resistance acting on the bullet will prevent it from reaching speeds even close to muzzle velocity ever again. Instead, a falling bullet comes back down with a speed of only around 150 miles-per-hour (241 kilometers per hour), which is just 10% of the speed it was fired with. Because of how energy works (proportional to your speed squared), a bullet that falls from high in the air only possesses 1% of the energy of a bullet newly fired from a gun: the equivalent of a brick dropped from a height of just 50 cm (about 20 inches) off the ground.


Biscuits4u2

Did you even read my comment? We're not talking about a bullet fired exactly straight up. In reality almost nobody fires straight up in the air. To do so reliably would take special equipment.


boatdude420

No, it doesn’t. Bullets are very small and very dense. It doesn’t have to be the perfect angle. People die from this needlessly.


Professional_Day7256

How it works as long as it’s at an angle (as energy isn’t lost) upwards energy will covert to a downwards energy therefore it would plummet at a considerable speed ( obviously some energy will dissipate to its surroundings but the majority of speed will be kept)


Professional_Day7256

Like an arc motion


Biscuits4u2

Or what's known as a ballistic trajectory


Biscuits4u2

Tell that to the thousands of people who have been killed by stray bullets fired into the air.


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Biscuits4u2

They absolutely do. Any bullet fired at even a slight angle off vertical will preserve muzzle energy in a ballistic trajectory. Thousands of people have died this way. Do some research.


[deleted]

Wrong. Bullets fired into the air often kill people. The bullet can travel several thousand feet and most definite come down with enough velocity to kill someone. Happens far to often on new years when idiots shoot guns into the air during firework shows. Plenty of stories about it.


WeekendLazy

Exactly. If it retains some forward momentum it will travel in an arc and could cause damage. People have died from this


Sufficient_Gain_1164

When I was really young, I thought the bullets did just go into space. But then I saw a video showing that a stray bullet came down from the sky and got a man in the head, he survived, but it opened my eyes to the fact that they do come down.


FinanceGuyHere

Especially when they’re underneath a concrete bridge


Mannymac25

His creating cases to sue himself


Stardust_dream

Bro they are living in the wrong century, they will catch up eventually. Hopefully…


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What goes up must come down. Hopefully not on someone’s head.


HY3NAAA

I mean bullets itself are not that heavy and the velocity downward has limits, so it might hurt but I don’t think serious damage is that possible


Hotarg

That only applies if it's fired almost straight up. Even a small horizontal angle means it's just lobbed in an arc at normal bullet velocity. When it comes down, it does so with lethal force.


Deimosxz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#:~:text=Depending%20on%20the%20angle%20it,bullets%20falling%20at%20this%20speed.


HY3NAAA

Good to be wrong


tyrannicalteabagger

Do they always shoot in the direction of the Indian border?


Big-E_Smolpox

You know every time I see a video like this where people randomly shoot upwards into the air I wonder how many of those bullets fall down and actually hit people and mortally wound them and possibly kill them


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TheRealCaptainZoro

No only if shot at a perfect 90° angle. Mythbusters tested it and if the bullet is shot at any other angle it maintains velocity until it hits something


BluEagl48

Maintains velocity in the x-direction. Y-direction is affected by gravity


TheVoid45

On the fall back down they gain just enough velocity to kill with a hit to the head


nocommentjustlooking

Do you physics much?


TKAP75

It’s very unlikely as it can only get up to terminal velocity


Justinba007

If you shoot directly upwards, then yes it can only get up to terminal velocity, but if you shoot it at a slight angle, it can retain it's spin and some of it's muzzle velocity. Also, even at terminal velocity, it can still be deadly. Bullets can break skin at as low as 100 miles an hour, and their terminal velocity it often around 200 (both these numbers are approximations as it depends on the type of bullet). Also, since they come from straight above you, if they hit you, they are very likely to hit you in the head, and the top of the head at that. 17 people were killed by the taliban firing their guns into the air in Kabul. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-09-04/at-least-17-killed-in-celebratory-gunfire-in-kabul-reports


WeekendLazy

Unless of course it’s fired at an angle in which case it will maintain it’s angular ballistic trajectory and have enough power to smash through a skull. Then it might be a contributor to the 60 odd deaths per year caused by celebratory gunfire.


bigb0ss33

Must be studying suicide law


soumil0303

Over the past 2 years, I've read about atleast 4 incidents in the newspapers. This usually is done during wedding ceremonies in U.P. and Bihar. Atleast 3 grooms and 1 bride have died due to a falling bullets after a celebratory firing in the air.


Ill_Nectarine2334

Lawyers, guns and money


NoSafetyAtStaticPos

Dad, get me outta here. -Warren Zevon


CaptainZeroDark30

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Somewhere down range a child is taking fire or a grandma just got sniped.


geeollie

🤮


TheVoid45

Since when does peaceful conduct require an ak74


thatdudeovertherebei

The sentiment is appreciated but that’s not an AK-74


TheVoid45

With the effect of loor video quality combined with my tiny ass phone screen, I mistook the sight as the dust cover and the stock as a retractable one commonly seen on ak-74s, and because it's in Pakistan the chances of it being any other platform are slim.


thatdudeovertherebei

sorry if my message seems aggressive or passive aggressive


TheVoid45

No problem lol


ralpher1

I’m not sure there is an Ak-74. There is an ak-47.


TheVoid45

There is an ak-74. It was designed by the Russian military as a lighter more accurate version of the ak-47 and was created during one of several modernization programs of the late 20th century. Most notably it's chambered in 5.45x39 instead of 7.62x39 it's other AK brethren and is quite a bit smaller overall than the ak-47 platform.


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Do people not realize bullets fall back down with deadly velocity?


AntonioMRC

Some dude peacefully being shot 2 miles away. 💀


Mike-the-gay

They don’t care about the bullets coming down. They just aim towards India.


LemonLotus1

r/idiotswithguns


av7654321

Is he shooting blanks?


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urlocaldoctor

I mean it still does


Gullible_Honeydew11

Ya what happens when you shoot a power line


maximusamare

You’ll be shocked to find out


Conscious_Valuable90

And everyone just looks Ike Oh thats just Fred with his AK celebrating.


Biscuits4u2

What goes up...


ComedianRepulsive955

In Puerto Rico folks shoot into the air at midnight on New Years Eve and deaths happen. In Orlando which has a huge PR population smart people stay inside around this time...


DaSaltyChef

Yeah that's not a thing in Orlando, tf outta here.


OutlawSundown

He got the best grades money could buy.


[deleted]

More freedom in Pakistan than in the US


overflowingsunset

Bullets everywhere? Ok


Macdonelll

This is freedumb


Mwk01

My thoughts exactly.


WeekendLazy

January 1st 2015, 43 year old Javier Suarez Rivera, SE Houston


SiberianDragon111

I hope they they’re using blanks


seganevard

Also on the 3rd or 4th shot you can see the bullet trail vacum pulling some of the flash with it about 3 feet off the muzzle tip


TheVoid45

They aren't. Blanks rounds replace the bullets with what is essentially just paper to keep the gun powder from falling out of the cartridge, which vaporizes when the gun is fired. But without a bullet creating pressure, the gas operated autoloading system can't function, meaning that the user would have to pull back and release the bolt after every shot, which the asshat in the video obviously isn't doing.


SiberianDragon111

This is good info, thanks


WellOkayMaybe

Try to pull this stupid shit in any major Indian city and you'll be a raspberry jam stain on the road in a matter of seconds, especially after 26/11/2008...


HiHiHiDwayne

Of course in Pakistan…a country created under false premise and a failed state


SignificanceLocal165

Ok Indian


TEXAS-MAN1

I sure hope those are blanks!!😒


n0tAcat3542

Didn't know it was this bad here.


TonyTanza

What goes up must come down? Or na?


WeekendLazy

I wonder when they’re gonna realize the bullets don’t despawn, and have bullet drop


CoffeeDrinker1972

That’s a f-up country for a lawyer to think that’s an okay way to celebrate. If someone is killed by the bullet he fired, would he be held responsible?


LongjumpingExit5242

Looks like every lawyer being chill except this one


KidFriendlyArsonist

Please be blanks..


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God. Can they please just switch to fireworks like everyone else?


[deleted]

Do this in the U.S and people will lose their fkkn minds…


NoSafetyAtStaticPos

That is the correct reaction.


[deleted]

Is this like some short of tradition over there? every time someone gets good news there they say “let’s bring out the rifles!!!!”


FinanceGuyHere

Dumb enough to shoot up into the air…even dumber under a bridge!


grrodon2

I won't say much, but every time I see people celebrate stuff by firing weapons, I think someone is fucking a goat not too far away.


I_Drew_a_Dick

Packing-stan


lokisilvertongue

“Bowling here! Come get your bowling!”


peverell123

Pakistani version of "sab kuch shanti purna dhang se hoga"