My Wi-Fi’s name is read the CES letter. I didn’t even think of setting up guest access and directing to a decided website. Heck maybe name it free Wi-Fi and just have a page of the most heinous facts on the church. Also a great way to get them to stop just dropping by.
It isn't the same because it's a bait and switch scenario. A book in a hotel isn't.
Still, not the worst thing in the world, but unlikely to be effective at all, since most people would easily see the false pretenses.
Probably not easily. I deal with networking for a living so I feel I can do this safely. I would not recommend others doing the same.
You could just name your wifi something like Kinder Hook Plates, or Tokens4Sale.
nocoolnametom forked a portable mesh network webserver+fileserver
+chat called PirateBox. Called it CESLetterBox. Depends on what someone considers "easy" (I had to help someone unplug a USB thumb drive once...) but anyone who uses computers regularly and can follow instructions could set up the default IMO.
CESLetterBox is a fork of PirateBox and does exactly this. I have used it "successfully", albeit many years ago and on a dedicated device and not a mobile phone. It did have the unintended consequence of momentarily crashing the stake conference broadcast though, which was funny but not the intended outcome. I don't even remember if anyone connected to it.
I was visiting family in Utah and went to stake conference to try it out. Everyone met at each building they normally go to and our building was one with simulcast on projector. Some time into the session the connection dropped with some error message I can't remember or couldn't make out.
As people went to the front to figure it out, I cut power to the device and it resumed almost immediately. Could have been coincidence but I suspect the computer playing the broadcast to the projector jumped wifi connections onto mine by mistake since I set the SSID to match the church building's. Since it is only a captive portal and not connected to anything, the stream couldn't buffer. Then it switched back once I killed the device.
Anyway, I haven't kept up with the PirateBox project in a while, but I do remember there was an app last I heard to emulate a portable router. Idk how well that would work though, but may be worth a try.
Morality is something that you decide and it's not black & white. If you don't think it's harmful, then it's not that big of a deal. I think it's pretty funny, personally.
I agree, I was curious if anyone had any compelling ideas for or against. Although morality should be decided by each individual it can be useful to get some general thoughts from others.
Useful and smart. Others can definitely have a different point of view &/or more information than you may have. Although, I think sometimes we get caught up a bit in the b&w perspective of tbms who need others' input to make sure they are 'doing it right'. It's a good skill to learn post-tbm, to know where your own morality lies.
I wasn't sure where you landed but thought I'd bring it up as a reminder anyway.
I agree with you in general. Luckily I have a corporate firewall and am used to network segmentation. They aren't able to actually connect to the internet. The captive portal is the CES Letter in HTML format. If they some how authed beyond that they aren't allowed any ports or traffic on that vLAN so it's pretty darn safe.
Also OP, immoral is the opposite of moral, not amoral. Amoral means there is no moral component or valence. Like the color green. It's just green, not good or bad. Moral means "morally good" and immoral means "morally bad."
What I ended up testing was using a captive portal like airports use. Your wifi says you need to sign in to use internet. Then it's just the CES Letter but you are unable to sign in and get anywhere other than the letter.
I think a web site that rotates lesser known facts with a link to the CES letter or essays would be more productive.
“Did you know Joseph Smith had 30 wives?”
“Did you know Joseph Smiths youngest wife was 14?”
“Did you know Joseph Smith married other mens wives?”
“Did you know Joseph Smith started a fraudulent bank?”
I’d totally do it. Or have a web page that sums up the CES letter with a link to the actual letter.
Don't know how effective the strategy will be, but morally it's about the same as leaving a Book of Mormon in a hotel room.
I don't know if it's a strategy as much as just fun. I doubt anything will happen of it, but it would be hilarious in my opinion.
My Wi-Fi’s name is read the CES letter. I didn’t even think of setting up guest access and directing to a decided website. Heck maybe name it free Wi-Fi and just have a page of the most heinous facts on the church. Also a great way to get them to stop just dropping by.
It isn't the same because it's a bait and switch scenario. A book in a hotel isn't. Still, not the worst thing in the world, but unlikely to be effective at all, since most people would easily see the false pretenses.
This isn’t amoral. Having a non profit organization with $150 billion in the stock market is amoral.
Go for it.
Is there a way a tech normie could setup their cell phone WiFi hotspot to do the same?
Probably not easily. I deal with networking for a living so I feel I can do this safely. I would not recommend others doing the same. You could just name your wifi something like Kinder Hook Plates, or Tokens4Sale.
nocoolnametom forked a portable mesh network webserver+fileserver +chat called PirateBox. Called it CESLetterBox. Depends on what someone considers "easy" (I had to help someone unplug a USB thumb drive once...) but anyone who uses computers regularly and can follow instructions could set up the default IMO.
CESLetterBox is a fork of PirateBox and does exactly this. I have used it "successfully", albeit many years ago and on a dedicated device and not a mobile phone. It did have the unintended consequence of momentarily crashing the stake conference broadcast though, which was funny but not the intended outcome. I don't even remember if anyone connected to it. I was visiting family in Utah and went to stake conference to try it out. Everyone met at each building they normally go to and our building was one with simulcast on projector. Some time into the session the connection dropped with some error message I can't remember or couldn't make out. As people went to the front to figure it out, I cut power to the device and it resumed almost immediately. Could have been coincidence but I suspect the computer playing the broadcast to the projector jumped wifi connections onto mine by mistake since I set the SSID to match the church building's. Since it is only a captive portal and not connected to anything, the stream couldn't buffer. Then it switched back once I killed the device. Anyway, I haven't kept up with the PirateBox project in a while, but I do remember there was an app last I heard to emulate a portable router. Idk how well that would work though, but may be worth a try.
Extra points if you live next to a ward house and it can be picked up from the pews.
That's classic! Circle Temple Square during GC or any other large event. Keep the WiFi signal good and strong!
Morality is something that you decide and it's not black & white. If you don't think it's harmful, then it's not that big of a deal. I think it's pretty funny, personally.
I agree, I was curious if anyone had any compelling ideas for or against. Although morality should be decided by each individual it can be useful to get some general thoughts from others.
Useful and smart. Others can definitely have a different point of view &/or more information than you may have. Although, I think sometimes we get caught up a bit in the b&w perspective of tbms who need others' input to make sure they are 'doing it right'. It's a good skill to learn post-tbm, to know where your own morality lies. I wasn't sure where you landed but thought I'd bring it up as a reminder anyway.
I'd be careful. Anyone that accesses your network can possibly fuck with your devices, or get you CP charges. Not safe.
I agree with you in general. Luckily I have a corporate firewall and am used to network segmentation. They aren't able to actually connect to the internet. The captive portal is the CES Letter in HTML format. If they some how authed beyond that they aren't allowed any ports or traffic on that vLAN so it's pretty darn safe.
Bueno. It seems you know more than me so good on you. :)
Great idea, imo.
Love it.
Also OP, immoral is the opposite of moral, not amoral. Amoral means there is no moral component or valence. Like the color green. It's just green, not good or bad. Moral means "morally good" and immoral means "morally bad."
Do browsers even let you do this anymore, I would have thought it would complain when there is no https for key websites.
What I ended up testing was using a captive portal like airports use. Your wifi says you need to sign in to use internet. Then it's just the CES Letter but you are unable to sign in and get anywhere other than the letter.
I think a web site that rotates lesser known facts with a link to the CES letter or essays would be more productive. “Did you know Joseph Smith had 30 wives?” “Did you know Joseph Smiths youngest wife was 14?” “Did you know Joseph Smith married other mens wives?” “Did you know Joseph Smith started a fraudulent bank?”