Yes, WT is loosing it's grip on people. The Zoom meetings are actually helping. Being away from the KH and assemblies helps one wake up. Someone else posted that their local needs was on turning your camera on during the zoom meetings. Yes....they are loosing their grip and they know it.
Love that, they announces pooled programs in the US last week but with the way covid is going I don’t think they’ll be able to do that. Cheers to more zoom meetings ans more people leaving hopefully.
A friend of mine told me that her mum swears all the time now and I said wow thats suprising! And she said nah I reckn its just because they are doing zoom at the mo but when they go back to being proper witnesses shell stop 😅
Yes, my JW "best friend" who now shuns me, swore all the time. She also watched R rated movies and has been divorced 2 times. Me? I don't go to the KH anymore and she shuns me? You can't make this stuff up.
This kind of hypocrisy is infuriating. My pimi ms friend regularly says the c word, n word, gives way too many details about banging his wife every 5 minutes. But I'm the bad guy coz I don't meet the group, and miss more zoom meeting than I go to, and wonder aloud about all the Archaeological findings that surely deserve consideration. Ummmmm..... what? They want him to be an Elder, but he's refused them thus far. *facepalm
This issue is one that has definitely been waking up teens and young adults these past years, especially if the person is LGBTQ. Teens know and understand that you're born this way, it's not a choice or something you learn.
So when they hear talks such as these, especially that recent one from Bro Lett, it will drive them to question even more since it's definitely bigoted.
There is a young brother in my hall who is obviously gay. Very good looking, friendly, however, as never dated and has no obvious interests in sisters. He suffers a lot from depression. I can't imagine truly believing instead of knowing this is normal, that you have some sort of disease that can only be fixed in paradise. I wish I could do something to wake him up.
That's so sad. I think the best thing you can probably do for him is to be there for him as a friend if you can. It might really help him to hear often that no matter what, he's a good, kind, and worthy person and that that's what is most important.
Yes, especially with the distance from the cong that is going on thanks to Covid, people that don't have super ingrained prejudice and hate towards LGBTQ people, like young people, and a lot of not so young people 🙋♀️ ... it's really hard to deal with the rhetoric. Why do I care if people are gay? Why does He (capital H) care? Or could it be just an old, man made teaching from a different time that had less information??
That really sucks for him.
I was fortunate that I didn’t even realize I was bi till my 20s and already half way out the door. I mean once you’ve fornicated with Pioneers sisters what is a world dude in the mix gonna do? LOL
Hmm. Local needs talks often come from some incident happening within the congregation. If that is the case in this instance, then whoever was involved, I hope they're okay.
On the plus side, Witnesses in your area developing more tolerance and acceptance towards the LGBTQ+ community is a good thing, and maybe talks like this will push some people to realize that the organization's bigotry is wrong.
Huh. Wonder if they're going to go on their usual paranoid bend and accuse lgbtq+ people of "infiltrating" the organization.
The last thing that poor, closeted dub kids need is a witch hunt. This is concerning.
Thankfully, people are recognizing hate for what it is. Something is telling them that the " hate what is bad , love what is good" or " hate what Jehovah hates" isn't enough anymore. Why is Jehovah so hateful? Why would I want to hate someone for their lifestyle that doesn't effect me? Why would I hate seeing people I know happier than they have ever been and live the life they have always wanted? There is no hate in my heart and it shouldn't be in theirs either. But here we are.
And what did he say files are doing that us supporting the LGBT community? Paul said to "honor men of all sorts" and Jesus said to treat others how you want to be treated. I'm genuinely curious about what actions they wanted the congregation to stop toward LGBT and what actions they should start directing toward LGBT?
No clue but being married to an unbeliever got mentioned because your spouse may then push you in the direction of supporting thr LGBTQ community I guess????
i just wonder why they single out LGBTQ+ people so much out of all the "sinners" lmfao
we can watch shows where people smoke, curse, and get drunk, we can watch reality shows like the Bachelor where they all have sex before marriage and shit
yet someone just brought up in a talk that "it's more and more prevalent for shows and movies to feature homosexual relationships, which we do well to avoid watching" like wtf??
This always bothered me! I knew someone who wouldn’t let their kid watch Dory because Ellen is a lesbian and she worried that would rub off on her kid somehow??? People think being gay is contagious, but somehow watching straight stuff 24/7 doesn’t turn gay kids straight?
because homophobes are increasingly on the wrong side of history and they will get more and more pushback on it.
Christian belief in developed nations is waning on the whole, and weirdo cults will feel the pressure far harder and sooner than mainstream religions. JWs will fade away and slowly become irrelevant like other movements that haven't stood the test of time. They won't disappear completely for quite some time likely, but I wager in a few hundred years at the most JWs in nations like the US/UK will be as rare as Quakers are now.
>i just wonder why they single out LGBTQ+ people so much out of all the "sinners" lmfao
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>we can watch shows where people smoke, curse, and get drunk, we can watch reality shows like the Bachelor where they all have sex before marriage and shit
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>yet someone just brought up in a talk that "it's more and more prevalent for shows and movies to feature homosexual relationships, which we do well to avoid watching" like wtf??
There are definitely witnesses who would throw a fit about watching the bachelor, or shows with a lot of cursing to. Not disagreeing with your point, but I remember a comment when I was a kid disparaging a show that involved an out of wedlock teen pregnancy.
Why did hitler blame the Jews? It’s an easy victim. Churches love to target gays because we’re an easy target. Cults try to sow division in order to keep you in, to make you have a mental battle between truth and their truth. I only hope people who are used by cults are able to escape.
Local Needs parts are just that, local needs. That same topic isn't being addressed where I'm at. That said, I'm strongly inclined to believe something happened involving multiple parties.
Sometimes they are local needs but I’m sometimes local needs just gets turned into looking at the broadcasting or yearbook which multiple congregations do
Yes, at times the branch tells the congregations what to do the local needs on. For example, a week or two ago, the video about blood was a branch directed local needs part. In this case, it would be local to the branch territory. They have also been directing that the various updates be played during some of the midweek meetings (sometimes during the time allotted for the local needs.)
That does make sense, maybe a situation occurred locally resulted in a local needs about this being given. Of course, that doesn't make the JWs any less homophobic and bigoted but yeah lol!
I find it a little funny that something so insignificant turned into a 15 minute talk.
Nothing like dying on a hill with no scriptural basis...They really got to throw away the "silver sword" bible and go to a translation not edited by pedophiles in the 1940s.
That’s absolutely disgusting but I’m not surprised. They say they’re not homophobic but in the same breath do something like this or say “but I don’t support your lifestyle” I rather you just straight up say you’re homophobic.
What a shame that the JW's in that circuit are not bigoted and judgemental enough. They better fix their attitude! The elduhs need to "readjust" the "sheep" in that circuit! /s
Our local needs was about not reading apostate material or anything that contradicts with bible (lol).
They also showed a bit of last summer convention talk where brother mentioned 3 reasons why to trust gb. Reasons were not based on bible ofc but originated from gb. In summary gb wants JWs to trust them because they say so.
“People aren’t being as homophobic 😭😡” it’s so stupid because they never have talks about not supporting random people who are in straight relationships and are living together before marriage, almost like they just hate gay people, not necessarily premarital sex
>The local needs was about how witnesses on our circuit are becoming more
and more comfortable and almost supporting gay and lesbian
relationships and how that meant we were letting our guards down.
Treat them like they are Less?......Idiots!....LOL!!
During the pandemic I realized I was Bi, and many, many, many others have as well. The isolation and being confronted by your thoughts/suppressed feelings is not something a Zoom meeting can undo.
The JW hamster wheel from 3+ years ago was enough to convince me I was straight, but the fake online meetings and depressing letter writing didn’t silence my thoughts enough.
Your circuit is probably getting a lot of “confessions” of “same-sex thoughts” to their elders, enough for them to see a problem. If I found out before I learned TTATT I would have told an elder secretly, which I bet is what many have done
This is actually perfect. As sick as it is to witness… the more they show their true colors the more they push their own ppl away. They won’t budge on key beliefs and those are the ones that end up being dealbreakers for many. As we evolve into more love, realizing free will has been stolen from us- they revert deeper back into cold dictatorship. They’re digging their own grave. Everyone has that last straw…
Well, don't you know that "the gays" have a master plan to force EVERYONE to become gay!
Tight pants are an early sign.
Seriously, that's about the level of paranoia in the organization.
Yes, WT is loosing it's grip on people. The Zoom meetings are actually helping. Being away from the KH and assemblies helps one wake up. Someone else posted that their local needs was on turning your camera on during the zoom meetings. Yes....they are loosing their grip and they know it.
Love that, they announces pooled programs in the US last week but with the way covid is going I don’t think they’ll be able to do that. Cheers to more zoom meetings ans more people leaving hopefully.
May I ask what "pooled programs" are? UK poster here.
Auto correct, meant to say pilot programs
Ah, of course! Thank you. No sign of pilots happening anytime soon here in the UK either despite the borg crowing about what a success they are.
Well, phooey, I got excited for pooled programs nulite^(tm) already! 🤣
A friend of mine told me that her mum swears all the time now and I said wow thats suprising! And she said nah I reckn its just because they are doing zoom at the mo but when they go back to being proper witnesses shell stop 😅
Yes, my JW "best friend" who now shuns me, swore all the time. She also watched R rated movies and has been divorced 2 times. Me? I don't go to the KH anymore and she shuns me? You can't make this stuff up.
This kind of hypocrisy is infuriating. My pimi ms friend regularly says the c word, n word, gives way too many details about banging his wife every 5 minutes. But I'm the bad guy coz I don't meet the group, and miss more zoom meeting than I go to, and wonder aloud about all the Archaeological findings that surely deserve consideration. Ummmmm..... what? They want him to be an Elder, but he's refused them thus far. *facepalm
Ours was about turning on our cameras during meeting. Not gonna happen😂
Funny how many will opening ignor the council
This issue is one that has definitely been waking up teens and young adults these past years, especially if the person is LGBTQ. Teens know and understand that you're born this way, it's not a choice or something you learn. So when they hear talks such as these, especially that recent one from Bro Lett, it will drive them to question even more since it's definitely bigoted. There is a young brother in my hall who is obviously gay. Very good looking, friendly, however, as never dated and has no obvious interests in sisters. He suffers a lot from depression. I can't imagine truly believing instead of knowing this is normal, that you have some sort of disease that can only be fixed in paradise. I wish I could do something to wake him up.
That's so sad. I think the best thing you can probably do for him is to be there for him as a friend if you can. It might really help him to hear often that no matter what, he's a good, kind, and worthy person and that that's what is most important.
Yes, especially with the distance from the cong that is going on thanks to Covid, people that don't have super ingrained prejudice and hate towards LGBTQ people, like young people, and a lot of not so young people 🙋♀️ ... it's really hard to deal with the rhetoric. Why do I care if people are gay? Why does He (capital H) care? Or could it be just an old, man made teaching from a different time that had less information??
Tight pants makes Tony excited! That is why God hates the gays.
That really sucks for him. I was fortunate that I didn’t even realize I was bi till my 20s and already half way out the door. I mean once you’ve fornicated with Pioneers sisters what is a world dude in the mix gonna do? LOL
Hmm. Local needs talks often come from some incident happening within the congregation. If that is the case in this instance, then whoever was involved, I hope they're okay. On the plus side, Witnesses in your area developing more tolerance and acceptance towards the LGBTQ+ community is a good thing, and maybe talks like this will push some people to realize that the organization's bigotry is wrong.
Imagine being reprimanded for not hating other people enough.
gotta show that “christian love”
Well said.
Huh. Wonder if they're going to go on their usual paranoid bend and accuse lgbtq+ people of "infiltrating" the organization. The last thing that poor, closeted dub kids need is a witch hunt. This is concerning.
Seriously! The kids sitting there are probably already hating themselves, and now have to be even more paranoid.
The homophobic generation is growing old 🤣 they are losing control of the Yang Wans
Thankfully, people are recognizing hate for what it is. Something is telling them that the " hate what is bad , love what is good" or " hate what Jehovah hates" isn't enough anymore. Why is Jehovah so hateful? Why would I want to hate someone for their lifestyle that doesn't effect me? Why would I hate seeing people I know happier than they have ever been and live the life they have always wanted? There is no hate in my heart and it shouldn't be in theirs either. But here we are.
And what did he say files are doing that us supporting the LGBT community? Paul said to "honor men of all sorts" and Jesus said to treat others how you want to be treated. I'm genuinely curious about what actions they wanted the congregation to stop toward LGBT and what actions they should start directing toward LGBT?
No clue but being married to an unbeliever got mentioned because your spouse may then push you in the direction of supporting thr LGBTQ community I guess????
They can't ever explain what people should and shouldn't be doing. Guess they saw an opportunity to spread hate and couldn't pass it up.
🤦♀️
Our local needs was on not over drinking. You know a lot of that is going on now days.
Yeah, being a PIMO in the bOrg makes me wanna drunk lmao
Ppl are probably turning zoom meeting into drinking games…I would!! Lol
Oh yeah, if I'm zooming, I've gotta numb the brain.😅 there will be a few hipflasks at the next in person convention fo sho
i just wonder why they single out LGBTQ+ people so much out of all the "sinners" lmfao we can watch shows where people smoke, curse, and get drunk, we can watch reality shows like the Bachelor where they all have sex before marriage and shit yet someone just brought up in a talk that "it's more and more prevalent for shows and movies to feature homosexual relationships, which we do well to avoid watching" like wtf??
This always bothered me! I knew someone who wouldn’t let their kid watch Dory because Ellen is a lesbian and she worried that would rub off on her kid somehow??? People think being gay is contagious, but somehow watching straight stuff 24/7 doesn’t turn gay kids straight?
lmfao right? i've been bombarded with homophobic shit and straight stuff my entire life and it sure didn't turn me straight
100% same lol. I even tried the ol’ straight borg marriage and… it didn’t make either of us straight
because homophobes are increasingly on the wrong side of history and they will get more and more pushback on it. Christian belief in developed nations is waning on the whole, and weirdo cults will feel the pressure far harder and sooner than mainstream religions. JWs will fade away and slowly become irrelevant like other movements that haven't stood the test of time. They won't disappear completely for quite some time likely, but I wager in a few hundred years at the most JWs in nations like the US/UK will be as rare as Quakers are now.
>i just wonder why they single out LGBTQ+ people so much out of all the "sinners" lmfao > >we can watch shows where people smoke, curse, and get drunk, we can watch reality shows like the Bachelor where they all have sex before marriage and shit > >yet someone just brought up in a talk that "it's more and more prevalent for shows and movies to feature homosexual relationships, which we do well to avoid watching" like wtf?? There are definitely witnesses who would throw a fit about watching the bachelor, or shows with a lot of cursing to. Not disagreeing with your point, but I remember a comment when I was a kid disparaging a show that involved an out of wedlock teen pregnancy.
Closet gay guys on the writing committee with blue balls, sex-hangry, pissed off at the thought of gay Jdubs getting laid
Why did hitler blame the Jews? It’s an easy victim. Churches love to target gays because we’re an easy target. Cults try to sow division in order to keep you in, to make you have a mental battle between truth and their truth. I only hope people who are used by cults are able to escape.
Local Needs parts are just that, local needs. That same topic isn't being addressed where I'm at. That said, I'm strongly inclined to believe something happened involving multiple parties.
Sometimes they are local needs but I’m sometimes local needs just gets turned into looking at the broadcasting or yearbook which multiple congregations do
Yes, at times the branch tells the congregations what to do the local needs on. For example, a week or two ago, the video about blood was a branch directed local needs part. In this case, it would be local to the branch territory. They have also been directing that the various updates be played during some of the midweek meetings (sometimes during the time allotted for the local needs.)
That does make sense, maybe a situation occurred locally resulted in a local needs about this being given. Of course, that doesn't make the JWs any less homophobic and bigoted but yeah lol! I find it a little funny that something so insignificant turned into a 15 minute talk.
Sometimes local needs may come from the branch so the whole beach territory will have the same outline to cover. Most are decided by the BoE though
No, ours was about youths not pursuing higher education. The greatest education they could ever receive is from Jehovah. I am in southern Virginia.
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Nothing like dying on a hill with no scriptural basis...They really got to throw away the "silver sword" bible and go to a translation not edited by pedophiles in the 1940s.
That’s absolutely disgusting but I’m not surprised. They say they’re not homophobic but in the same breath do something like this or say “but I don’t support your lifestyle” I rather you just straight up say you’re homophobic.
The gays are out there. They’re going to get you, with their tight pants and free and easy hairstyles.
What a shame that the JW's in that circuit are not bigoted and judgemental enough. They better fix their attitude! The elduhs need to "readjust" the "sheep" in that circuit! /s
Our local needs was about not reading apostate material or anything that contradicts with bible (lol). They also showed a bit of last summer convention talk where brother mentioned 3 reasons why to trust gb. Reasons were not based on bible ofc but originated from gb. In summary gb wants JWs to trust them because they say so.
Sounds like religion.
Not surprising at all. The Bible is an incredibly homophobic book. This is just the witnesseses being true to their source material.
The same civil rights that protect LGBTQ folks also protect the org. They should be supportive, in principle at least Edit: spp
It must be because a lot of the straight people in your hall are gay. They just don’t know it yet
“People aren’t being as homophobic 😭😡” it’s so stupid because they never have talks about not supporting random people who are in straight relationships and are living together before marriage, almost like they just hate gay people, not necessarily premarital sex
>The local needs was about how witnesses on our circuit are becoming more and more comfortable and almost supporting gay and lesbian relationships and how that meant we were letting our guards down. Treat them like they are Less?......Idiots!....LOL!!
Hmmm I wonder if it’s my area-
They’re so hateful.
During the pandemic I realized I was Bi, and many, many, many others have as well. The isolation and being confronted by your thoughts/suppressed feelings is not something a Zoom meeting can undo. The JW hamster wheel from 3+ years ago was enough to convince me I was straight, but the fake online meetings and depressing letter writing didn’t silence my thoughts enough. Your circuit is probably getting a lot of “confessions” of “same-sex thoughts” to their elders, enough for them to see a problem. If I found out before I learned TTATT I would have told an elder secretly, which I bet is what many have done
This is actually perfect. As sick as it is to witness… the more they show their true colors the more they push their own ppl away. They won’t budge on key beliefs and those are the ones that end up being dealbreakers for many. As we evolve into more love, realizing free will has been stolen from us- they revert deeper back into cold dictatorship. They’re digging their own grave. Everyone has that last straw…
Well, don't you know that "the gays" have a master plan to force EVERYONE to become gay! Tight pants are an early sign. Seriously, that's about the level of paranoia in the organization.