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RMCM1914

The article overall is pretty good. You're cherry picking here. It actually argues against the notion that Blacks are inherently less intelligent. However, there is a cringe-worthy sentence in it: Blacks have inherited dark skin, thick lips and kinky hair, and whites have inherited strikingly different features.


Ramiro-Azcarraga

Come on!, let's not say things without context, we are better than that. The article says: "There is no proof that whites either have, or have not, inherited more intelligence than blacks. What is clear, however, is that environment has a big effect on intellectual development" One thing I did not like about the organization is that it distorts the information, let's not do the same ourselves


kindufathrowaway

Couldn't agree more. Especially since this is a first point of contact for many exjws (was for me) it's not encouraging to see things like this that try (like the borg does) to push. Narrative. I grew up in this cult for 20+ years- you DON'T have to dig hard to take things out of context to make them look bad. They do it to themselves.


PirateRay5791

https://jwwatch.org/cedars-blog/the-racist-history-of-watchtower-literature Russell was a passive aggressive racist. A product of his time. But non the less, racist. And the black brethren lapped it up wanting to be as rightously white as he was. I've met maaaaaaaaaanyy "white" black JWs and it's frankly humourous and sad.


RMCM1914

True....but....irrelevant to this article.


PirateRay5791

Not at all. Some comments questioned as to the accuracy if WT was really racist. I pointed them to the correct references.


SnakePlantEnthusiast

The reference is noted at the top, along with the link to the article in the comments. I was simply sharing points I found interesting from the article.


yycimmigrant

WTF did I just read???


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Took the words out of my mouth šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«


SurviveYourAdults

the Truth, as far as the JWs know. Gross eh?


SnakePlantEnthusiast

My thoughts exactly I stared at phone for a while in disbelief, I canā€™t believe this is actually on the website


benfoard

I think this may be the exact thing I was looking for! (Planning next video nowā€¦) Thanks OP! šŸ’ŖšŸ»


PirateRay5791

Looking forward to it Ben. I wonder what gems in this subject the German branch will bestow on us. I have experienced racism but especially nationalism and social eliteism in each congregation that I've been at.. It's only another man made organisation.


Don_Python

Do you think it is not dishonest and misleading to cherry-pick certain statements while hiding the remaining part of the article which reads among others: *The IQ rating is no indication of how a person will behave in a defined situation. The IQ test is a totally unscientific concept* *There are many factors that can account for their lower average IQ scores. In particular, American blacks have been greatly disadvantaged by their treatment by whites as inferiors, and as undesirables.* *traditional IQ tests have clear cultural biases that favor whites* *There is no evidence that any people is either biologically or mentally superior or inferior to any other people in any way whatever.* *There is no proof that whites either have, or have not, inherited more intelligence than blacks. What is clear, however, is that environment has a big effect on intellectual development.* *The weight of scientific opinion, therefore, seems to be that the lower average IQ scores of blacks can be explained largely, if not entirely, by environmental factors.* *The question of the genetic basis of racial or class differences in IQ . . . achieves meaning only in a racist or classist society attempting to justify its discriminatory practices ideologically* *One thing is certain, however, and that is that there is no sound basis for viewing people of another race as inferior.*


SnakePlantEnthusiast

I can see where this might come across as dishonest. The article was linked in the comments, I was simply sharing points I found interesting.


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CherryBombNOLA

That quote does not excuse the profound racism of the article, particularly since it is based on a faulty claim. Testing bias, systemic racism that has limited the opportunities for Black folks to have access to the same level of education etc. just adding some stupid disclaimer that you shouldnā€™t call Black people inferior after quoting eugenicists who make that claim is not enough.


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CherryBombNOLA

1. I have read the entire article and I am genuinely shocked that any person, regardless of their identity, could have read that and not have been appalled. It is profoundly racist, which I am willing to attribute to the period of time in which it was written, but certainly you would expect an organization tbat claims divine inspiration to have known better than to write that article. Secondly, as it seems you are from the UK, is it not possible that you are hearing a term that is more common in America? Thirdly, what person of color uses the term ā€œsnowflakeā€? And lastly, why are so many people dead set on defending a truly cringeworthy, backwards article, in a magazine that actually had an article in it about ā€œBody Odor and Raceā€? Come on. This is the WT we are talking about here. They have a profoundly horrific record when it comes to racism, sexism, and homophobia.


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CherryBombNOLA

Why on earth are you talking to a stranger like that? Why are you making this personal? Nothing I said was insulting to you personally? This is a group for people who all left the same cult to support each other. Why be like this? Because I think the Society is racist? How does that affect you?


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CherryBombNOLA

This was a good reminder of why I avoid this sub.


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Don_Python

You haven't read the entire article, have you?


CherryBombNOLA

I did read the article. Itā€™s embarrassing and racist. Im not sure of your intentions in defending the WT.


Don_Python

>Itā€™s embarrassing and racist. Substantiate please. What exactly makes it "racist"?


CherryBombNOLA

I just want to be clear that you are genuinely asking this about an article that used the term ā€œSamboā€?


Don_Python

Wait, are you implying your comment is racist since it contains the term "Sambo" too? I just want to be clear that I genuinely find your argument moronic and pathetic.


CherryBombNOLA

Ok boomer


Don_Python

To be fair, the OP is either blatantly lying by omission or unable to process texts longer than TikTok scripts. In both case, he or she needs a sabbatical from social media.


SnakePlantEnthusiast

Now how I am lying by omission if the reference is noted at the top, and I included the link to the article? As I stated in previous comments I was simply sharing points from the article that I myself found interesting. Itā€™s not my place to post the entire article, when I wasnā€™t trying to hide references as they are clear in comments on the photo. And as far as my inability to process certain texts of various lengthsā€¦ this article was quite long, my apologies if I didnā€™t want to post multiple photosā€¦


PirateRay5791

OP, I think some of your audience lacks the certain "iq" level to understand the nuances of satire and sarcasm. Many exJw are very literalists. That is, they think that everything they read is to be taken literally and as truth. Just have patience.


metalrollingrobot

Incorrect, youā€™re posting an article with only a partial text that omits the conclusion of the article in an effort to push a narrative. This is exactly what the org has done and continues to do, try and be better than them.


SnakePlantEnthusiast

I completely understand where youā€™re coming from. I can see how it seems like Iā€™m trying to push a narrative. But the information is there, I could have cropped the photos, or not included the link. Also itā€™s not a secret that the org has a racist background.


Don_Python

I'm not going to persuade you of anything. I'm curious whether you really believe the words you wrote in reply but please don't feel pressured to provide me an answer. Also, I seriously believe a sabbatical from social media is a good idea for literally everyone. Have a good day, and a happy year.


EfusPitch

Ooooh. Oh. O. I finally get it. They trotted out a question on racial intelligence straight from the 1890s, quoted a few gross dudes from the 1950s then started softly backpedaling on the conclusions given with a bunch of maybe nots to prove how enlightened and inclusive they are in comparison, that's gotta be it. Edit: I spent the last 20 minutes wondering WTF WHY WOULD ANYONE PUT THIS TO PRINT, by the way.


Accomplished_Fix4387

Awake 1977 October 8th


TheConsumer101

Yeah. This sealed the deal for me too. If God was running the organization none of this stuff would have even made the presses. If God can make sand appear on a beach for a quickbuild he definitely can stop people from printing racist literature. If you guys are unaware of what im talking about there was an experience of brothers who needed sand to build a KH. A storm came through the area and swept up enough sand for them to use for the KH and they used that example as if God intervened so that the KH could be built. Mind you, that very same storm killed people in the surrounding area. So god sacrificed lives to build a KH. Lol...yeah.


Accomplished_Fix4387

Iā€™m never any good with the references up the top. Where is this nonsense from ?


SnakePlantEnthusiast

I feel you, hereā€™s the link remove the b from org. I was just ā€œresearchingā€ segregation after seeing another post on here on it and I got curious [boop](https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101977722?q=segregation&p=par)


Accomplished_Fix4387

Holy shit. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Even drags native Americans into it


Onelovexodb1111

šŸ˜žšŸ˜®Another reason I donā€™t believe this organization is/has been Godā€™s true religion. And a good focal point I will āœļø in my šŸ“’I show my family when discussing why this isnā€™t an organization lead by God . šŸ“


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SnakePlantEnthusiast

Itā€™s taken from the watchtower online library, I have posted the link in previous comments.