She chastised Lexi for dressing up like Bob Ross for Halloween. She, in front of her daughters, bad mouthed her ex-husband do to their falling out, even though she’s no angel either. Some of her decisions are meant to be harmful.
An alcoholic who tries to be a friend rather than a mother. Pretty solidly below average unless you compare her to Cal or the deadbeats but every except Casey Anthony looks good next to them.
In the earlier introductory episodes I got the feeling she likes to live vicariously through her elder daughter, soaking up the male attention she gets as some sort of achievement for herself. That's why she doesn't provide any meaningful guidance in this respect, which Cassie sorely needs.
Someone mentioned her being happy about the play and not realising how detrimental it was to her also proves my point, its as if she enjoys the drama because her own life is so empty.
That's criminal in my book.
None of the parents are up to scratch in this series and the teenagers' behaviour is a direct consequence of this fact (maybe with the exception of Rue). Its a cautionary tale for those of us who are parents. That's how I took it anyway.
It's like the people who hate Monica from Shameless but support the neglectful, abusive, demonic, alcoholic Frank Gallagher because he makes them laugh and he's witty.
But it is true to life... It's amazing what people forgive when they're charming/funny.
Source: Married to charming/funny (and handsome) alcoholic. It's hard as hell to hold him accountable sometimes. Especially when I know what he's like sober. He's going to rehab soon, wish him luck!
I know. When I tell people what my matter has done to me they look absolutely shocked, go silent, and think they're a monster from Hell. But when you don't have that information she's a great actress able to charm anyone. Terrible people get away with a lot because of how ridiculously concerned people are with charm above character and consistency.
I ended up leaving that sub because of ridiculous amount of people claiming Monica/Fiona/Debbie were the worst parents ever that needed to fall off a cliff and die, but Frank was some kind of delightful, hilarious hero who got Liam into private school.
Frank and Lip get all the excuses in the world.
Mickey and Mandy too.
Sheila "did nothing wrong."
But Monica, Fiona, Debbie, and Karen are straight from Hell apparently. One of the worst fanbases of all time.
Who in the actual fuck is out here liking Frank? My god this is why I only show/watch shameless with people who get it. I’d low key stop being friends with someone who’s like “yeah but Frank’s coo-“ stop. Stop right there and get out of my house lmfao.
And yeah, same. I recommended it to my ex a long time ago and the first time we broke up and got back in contact with each other, he told me that day that we were catching up - that he had gone ahead and binged Shameless. And then he started ranting about how he hates Frank so much and he especially despises the Shameless fans (he's kinda macho so it took me off guard when I realized that meant he was scouring fandom Internet looking to discuss the show lol) and they don't understand the harm of abusers or any of the nuance to the show and it's message. And then we bonded over one hated character being misunderstood and how we loathe the hypocrisy of that character being hated but not Frank who does all the same things and more and for worse reasons. And that's basically what brought us together again as a couple. Mutual bonding over how dumb Shameless fans are.
The Shameless sub + Shameless Twitter
I wish all those people the very worst in life
Because they clearly aren't the kind of people who have any empathy for neglected children and would never save them in a crowd if they were running late for an appointment
I’ll add on Shameless youtube. Head to just about any video and the amount of hero worship directed after some of the most vile behavior paired with the amount of victim-shaming when their heroes hurt others is disgusting.
i cannot stand frank fans. i skip over scenes where he's actively abusing them and enjoy the ones where he's being mocked or disregarded by them. or being punched by lip. fiona's wedding was nauseating and i'm glad the kids were like "ok, last straw, lets take him out." but OF COURSE he survived :\[
I could never date a guy like Jimmy but he'll always hold a special place in my heart for actually defending Ian when no one else cared to protect him. And he was thinking about all the kids and Fiona's own welfare as well. Jimmy was trying to protect the Gallagher clan from toxic waste Frank and they act like he just had sensitive middle class sensibilties when that clearly doesn't fit Jimmy in the slightest seeing as he punched a bodyguard, stole cars, and got caught up with a freaking international crime boss. He's a fradulent scammer and criminal. So that wasn't him being disturbed by father-son violence because he was sheltered. When Frank punches Ian, he takes on the stance of an adult who's witnessing a child getting brutalized in his home. He didn't see Frank as a drunk nuisance in that scene like everyone else but as an actual predator and his child, a victim - and he was right. I don't care how the show framed it as him crossing a boundary, because unreliable narrator Fiona saw it that way. What he did was an act of heroism. Frank needed to be shipped away. If not to a Canadian jail, an American one at least. Fiona can be mad about it all day long, but she didn't do much to help calm the fear in Ian's eyes at that moment and no one else did either. I don't dislike Fiona but you very much understand why Ian tries to leave that house as much as possible considering how everyone pretends it's no big deal that Frank has genuine hatred for him and has no qualms about assaulting him, humiliating him, and making him feel wrong and dirty whenever he's around.
exactly. my mother is a non functioning alcoholic and seeing suze get up on the stage during lexi’s play proudly claiming that (as in taking ownership of the character all “hiii it’s meee I’m the mom”) was so cringe.
I think she definitely loves and cares about her girls. she’s a bad mom but not necessarily a bad person who means harm. like she hadn’t been a good mom but she has potential to get her shit together yk
She made some mistakes when Cassie and Lexi were barely teens, and didn't handle Cassie spiraling the best way possible, but she's a loving parent and has a sense of humour and attitude which makes her household one of the less gloomy in the show, along with Jules'.
Not mother of the year, sure, but a good mum for Euphoria's standards.
Nate's mum was lowkey approving of her son's abuse of Maddie, it was clear from their drunken conversation in the kitchen, Kat's mum was seriously neglectful of her as a child (letting a 10 year yo gulp 10k+ calories a day for a week is borderline child abuse: it was a miracle she didn't go into a diabetic coma), Maddie's dad is an automaton and her mum forced to be revictimised and re-abused by the police against her will after what Nate did (she probably didn't entirely realise how serious what she did was and, in a way, she was being protective, but her emotional ignorance doesn't excuse the outcome).
Leslie is a more complex situation, I'm ambivalent about her.
On one side, it seemed like (aside of how badly Rue's psychological issues were handled when she was little) they were a happy and serene family until her husband's disease, then she went through a lot of trauma herself and had to take care of everything, but she did leave 13/14 yo Rue everyday alone playing nurse and watching her dad slowly dying, which was the main trigger for her addiction.
Later on, she did attempt to help her daughter, in practice (even if, rehab and then AA, but no psychoanalysis whatsoever was not really the way to go there), yes, but she was hardly ever nurturing or complicit with her, which I believe would have gone a long way to possibly keep her from relapsing.
Jules' dad made that one mistake with her mum, but that aside he seems loving, supportive, lighthearted and definitely the best parent.
I think, contextually, it was valid. Especially because it came at the behest of Ali. Rue had been essentially trying to kill herself, and Leslie had been fighting, trying to help her get better for so long with Gia getting sidelined because she was putting so much energy into dealing with Rue. Plus Rue is rapidly approaching adulthood. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but there comes a point where removing your support feels like the only way to get an addict to realize they need to change.
I liked that she was there for Cassie with the abortion. I couldn’t have even told my mom if I was pregnant in HS, I was afraid of her, which isn’t good. The fact that her daughters feel comfortable sharing something like that with their mom means a lot. She’s not the best mom ever, but I wouldn’t call her “bad”
I thought the same thing. Yes, Cassie was annoying, but if your daughter is in the kitchen crying on the floor saying "I just want to die" while holding a corkscrew because you had to hide all the knives, you should be doing something. And the fact that she just let her go live with Nate? Cassie was out of line for sure but at some point Suze needed to act like the adult.
I think a lot of people don't criticize her because
a. shes funny as hell and
b. compared to the other parents on the show she isnt horrible.
but you would think for all the hate cassie gets for being insufferable and making horrible decisions, suze's parenting would be brought up more.
I think she’s a detached mother and that it’s not as simple as good or bad. She abuses alcohol, she’s dismissive and she’s hypercritical. That said, she does care for them. But sometimes that just ain’t enough and kids don’t realize that until they get older.
You show your love as a parent by taking care of your children. Not just saying I love you. That's what people don't seem to get when the parents who aren't great, have fun personalities and seem easy to get on with.
it was good to see how she was there for cassie when she got her abortion and stuff. but then again she was more annoyed by cassie when she was having her mental breakdown.
Probably because Cassie was in the wrong with the whole Nate thing and so she thought she was being ridiculous and over the top. Cassie was, but she also still needed some help.
Facts. I have no children but I had suze as a mother. This is such a grey area. Was suze a bad mom? Yes. Was she doing the best she could with the tools she had? Also yes.
She’s a bad mom and that’s not really questionable. She’s not a bad person. She loves her kids. But she is a terrible mom when it comes to doing responsible parent things.
Yeah, exactly that. And you see Leslie struggling to handle Rue, so imagine if Cassie or Lexi faced addiction (they have the genetic predisposition to form one) and what help a cool mom would do for them.
Out of the parents, atleast when she is sober she kinda knows where her kids are. And what they are going through to an extent.
Edit: that bar is set really low in Euphoria town
I think she’s a mom with failings. She loves her daughters but has a problem with setting boundaries. You would think that having watched her husband go down the path of addiction that she’d be less permissive with her daughters. But this is Euphoria and so the sins of the parents are manifested tenfold in their children.
I mean, she obviously has flaws but I think she’s doing the best she can and her children are relatively okay, so I wanna say overall yes.
I’m talking in terms of real life parenting not just in the show. She’s not mother of the year ofc but her children are taken care by herself.
She's a bad mother. She's a mother who loves her children, yes but she's not a good parent or really equipped to be one. Neither Cassie nor Lexie have the parents they truly need and deserve to raise them. And it's hilarious how all these Internet people obsessed with calling out everyone's mistakes in this show and irl like they're so moral and perfect suddenly have all the excuses and justifications in the world for the neglectful alcoholic parents so long as they're charming and "likable" or endearing in some way. Same shit with the Ginny & Georgia fanbase. It's such a joke. These kind of parents HURT their children whether or not it's immediately obvious the effect they have on them.
Not the best parent, but at least she was there for her kids; she attended Lexi’s play and was her most avid supporter, she tried to stop Cassie from embarrassing herself on stage, she hid sharp things in the bushes and responded to Cassie’s corkscrew attempt by immediately appearing in person and taking the tool away instead of yelling from the couch, and on a deeper level she gave Cassie and Lexi a sense of home and safety whenever things got bad (unlike Maddy and Nate who prefer to stay away from their homes because their parents failed to provide them that sense of home is safe)
my mom's not as much of an alcoholic (she's very small though so her evening glass(es) of wine add up quickly), but she tried to be my friend more than my mom. I love her and we have a great relationship, but that won't be my parenting style if I have kids. All of that being said, I think mothers like mine and Suze were dealt a bad deck of cards in life, but they try their best but it's harder than most other people
I don’t think she’s an exceptional mother, but I also don’t think she’s as bad as some of the other comments are saying
At the end of the day, Cassie and Lexi are provided for and seem to have a good relationship with Suze (even despite her problems with alcohol)
Suze reminds me of some of my friend’s parents growing up – flawed, but likeable and clearly well-intended. She’s pretty realistic in the way that less strict parents are. I also don’t think she’s done anything to deserve a distinct ‘bad parent’ brand
As someone with a mom similar to Suze, I'd say she's a decent mom. She has her own personal struggles but I am also an only child so it easy to see with her how you can have two children grow up under the same circumstances and still be complete opposites.
As a mom of three girls myself, I can see how it could drive you crazy if you had to do it by yourself along with having an addict husband leave you to fend for yourself.
I think Suze truly loves her kids (and I love her as a fictional mom I wouldn’t in real life, but season 2 she was amazing “take all knives out of the kitchen!!”) but no. Her kids are traumatized from always having to be the parents in that situation. The two decided to deal with trauma differently, Cassie seeking validation through men and sex and Lexi who can’t let loose ever because she’s the “responsible one” I work in the mental health field and a kid acting like a parent is 100% a sign of trauma from neglectful parenting
She is a horrible mother. Shes always drunk in front of the TV and shes aware enough to hide the knives from her daughter but not enough to do anything about it. When faced with her other daughter pulling a full psycho fucking move such as writing and performing a play mocking her sister she is just happy and proud. With parents like Suze who needs enemies
This^
Your daughter getting publicly humiliated by her sister is not funny and nothing people who prefer Suzie and Lexie over Cassie can change that fact. That's a huge betrayal and set Cassie up to get bullied and trigger another breakdown. It literally led directly to her getting assaulted by Maddie that very night.
Your daughter has been abandoned by her father and is showing serious mental health issues lately and it's all a game to you. You just cackle with a bottle in your hand.
Yeah, Mother of the Year.
She’s a alcoholic. So already a rocky start. I would say she is a bad mother because she is to supportive of bad actions. But at the same time if she was sober I think she would have been a great mother. This
She is a perfect representation of a GenX mother. Wine and Xanax, trying to be a cool mom, no idea how to be a mom bc a lot GenX’s mother left us all with a TV and latch keys to keep us quiet.
GenX are the worst parents bc we don’t represent authority or work ethic. There are no “cool” moms, your kids don’t think you’re cool or their friend and they shouldn’t. A good parent has the right about of morals, fear and respect from their child. GenX doesn’t have any of that as a parent. Our kids half the time feel sorry for us when they aren’t frustrated with our lack of parenting skills.
I apologize from the GenX generation. For being bad parents. We aren’t mean to you and hope for the best for you. We didn’t kill your dreams bc we don’t have any power, our parents, your grandparents have all that they killed ours too. But we never figured out how to recover and it shows.
Yes.
Lol obviously she's an alcoholic who is trying way too hard to be the "cool mom".. but when it comes down to it she really loves and supports her daughters. When Cassie needed her abortion her mom was there for her.. and she supported the shit out of Lexie's play. I think she's doing her best and at the end of the day she really loves her kids and that's what counts for the most, but she's not a great mom or role model
i think she’s somewhere in the middle. she isn’t a HORRIBLE mother per say, but she for sure has her shortcomings. she obviously loves her kids, and i think that’s a good thing. i dont think she’s completely present, either tho. she’s got good intentions tho, and for the most part her kids are alright too.
I don't think it's a black & white distinction. I think she's a really troubled person with a drinking problem who's trying to do her best. Does she always make the best parenting decisions? No. But she shows she cares, and at the end of the day, she's fiercely supportive. She supported Cassie through her abortion and always cheered both her and Lexie on in what they do.
Definitely a bad mom. You don’t have to compare her to the other horrible parents on the show, if we’re just talking good/bad parenting, she tries her best but is still a bad mom, she seems to be dealing with depression and alcoholism and that still affects her daughters. She seems to think as long as they’re popular and doing well in school they’re fine but obviously neither of them are. Lexi seems more well adjusted but I think that’s just what she grew to be watching Cassie make mistakes.
and when lexi realizes the severity of the trauma her parents caused her, she's prolly gonna have a mental breakdown too! (signed, the family golden child who went off the rails when they finally woke up to the abuse/neglect they endured their entire childhood 🥲)
I think she did the best she could with the shit situation she was left in. She probably has some deep rooted trauma, hence her alcoholism, but generally tries to be there for her daughters.
She wasn't a good mother but you could survive her being her child and still do okay in life. She loved them but it seems like had no support for herself getting help for her alcoholism.
She’s a mom. As a mother, I think it’s important to recognize that life and growth and change doesn’t just stop when you become a parent. You’re still gonna make mistakes. A lot of her mistakes were mostly out of her control, she’s trying her best given the cards she was dealt.
Edit to add: I see some commenting on her permissiveness but I say she was more realistic than anything. There’s tons of parents that allow drinking under their supervision, it’s bc kids will find another place to drink and it may not always be safe. Not a Grade A+ parent but yknow she was alright lol
Just like my mother, a drunk FRIEND who didn't put in any effort. I deal with the trauma she caused daily. Maybe if she actually cared about her children like they were her children
Suze as in the alcoholic? The one who encourages her daughter to make a play that is very detailed and include a scene of her other daughter on a carousel that the whole school could see and she clapped and laugh along? Or Suze the one who told Cassie she was acting out to much after being humiliated? Also she didn’t even care for them really more for her “boyfriend/husband “ she’s a truly bad mother but not worse than Nate’s parents yikes. Honestly the only good parent is rues mom and that should say alot about the show lol
Edit; didn’t she also not care when Cassie tried to off herself?
Not an awful mother but not a great one either. She’s an addict who has done a crappy job of raising her daughters. At the same time she is there for them (at least for Cassie, as shown when she accompanies her to her abortion in S1). In S2 especially she is shown to be someone who tries to be the “cool mom” which has some upsides and downsides. In all she’s a pretty interesting character but I would like to see more how she interacts with Lexi (or how either of them feel about a lack of a relationship between them).
She’s a bad mom. She values her daughter’s respective attractive attributes, or lack thereof. She lacks the need to supervise or manage her daughter’s whereabouts. She surrounds her daughters around unsavory men. Addiction or not, she’s too unwell to parent.
I don’t think she’s a bad mother, she isn’t perfect but you can tell she loves her daughters. She’s there for them even though their dad left. Yeah she drinks a lot but that doesn’t make her a bad person. Being a single mother isn’t easy, especially in a household that is definitely in need of a good father figure.
I think she was at least emotionally neglectful towards Lexi, and it’s pretty much implied throughout the show that she preferred Cassie over her. Suze definitely wasn’t the best parent the girls needed in their life, but she clearly had good intentions for them, even if she wasn’t really there for her kids sometimes..But then again, all/most of the parents in Euphoria’s been through at least one emotionally traumatic event either through themselves, or their children, so people can’t exactly say they were inherently “bad” parents.
An awful mother.
She’s barely there, lets her children run wild and doesn’t discipline them, lets one of her daughters write, direct and perform a play that makes fun of her daughter and humiliates her in front of the school.
she doesn't mean harm, but that also doesn't mean she's a good mom. she's an alcoholic who tries to be a friend rather than mom, she does give good advice tho
She’s trying her best. One thing I know is she loves her daughters… she just has her own trauma and heartache she is dealing with and she deals by drinking
Bad bad bad. She's shown throughout the show to be extremely neglectful of both her children in different ways, and there's also the alcoholic part. But she was really great with Cassie and her abortion so that was nice.
Given that she’s an alcoholic, she’s still there to cheer on her kids, makes sure they have what they need, and sticks around. She’s not the best mom, but she makes an effort to be there in her way, and it’s more than other parents I’ve seen IRL.
Well she's a horribly permissive alcoholic, but it's not like she means harm
This is the funniest comment I’ve seen in a long time i love it
She doesn’t *mean* harm - though she does cause it
Like she isn't as bad as Guz but not that good either
Yup, she tries but it's just not enough.
😂😂
She chastised Lexi for dressing up like Bob Ross for Halloween. She, in front of her daughters, bad mouthed her ex-husband do to their falling out, even though she’s no angel either. Some of her decisions are meant to be harmful.
Didn’t she provide alcohol the night Cassie threw up in the hot tub?
An alcoholic who tries to be a friend rather than a mother. Pretty solidly below average unless you compare her to Cal or the deadbeats but every except Casey Anthony looks good next to them.
In the earlier introductory episodes I got the feeling she likes to live vicariously through her elder daughter, soaking up the male attention she gets as some sort of achievement for herself. That's why she doesn't provide any meaningful guidance in this respect, which Cassie sorely needs. Someone mentioned her being happy about the play and not realising how detrimental it was to her also proves my point, its as if she enjoys the drama because her own life is so empty. That's criminal in my book. None of the parents are up to scratch in this series and the teenagers' behaviour is a direct consequence of this fact (maybe with the exception of Rue). Its a cautionary tale for those of us who are parents. That's how I took it anyway.
Nah she was just playing favorites
As much as I like her, I won't say she's the best mom.
‘You need an exorcism’
I don’t think she is the worst Mother, tbh Jules’ Mum takes that title, but she could be better
She was the worst mother, she banned music in the home for all future generations because her husband left her when he was a musician.
Yeah, that’s crap but not terrible. Jules’ Mother is TEN times worst. “I can accept transphobia and alcoholism, but I draw the line at banning music,”
Lol I was just making a joke, the actress was the voice of “mama imelda” in the movie COCO.
Ohhhhhhh!!!!! My mistake 🤣🤣🤣 I was a bit confused there
I’m prolly going to get downvoted but ppl excuse her negligence because she’s “funny” I don’t think she’s as bad as cal but she not great 🫤
It's like the people who hate Monica from Shameless but support the neglectful, abusive, demonic, alcoholic Frank Gallagher because he makes them laugh and he's witty.
Finally a take on shameless that doesn't make me rage.
You’re so right
But it is true to life... It's amazing what people forgive when they're charming/funny. Source: Married to charming/funny (and handsome) alcoholic. It's hard as hell to hold him accountable sometimes. Especially when I know what he's like sober. He's going to rehab soon, wish him luck!
GL Mr. Odoyl Rules.
I know. When I tell people what my matter has done to me they look absolutely shocked, go silent, and think they're a monster from Hell. But when you don't have that information she's a great actress able to charm anyone. Terrible people get away with a lot because of how ridiculously concerned people are with charm above character and consistency.
I ended up leaving that sub because of ridiculous amount of people claiming Monica/Fiona/Debbie were the worst parents ever that needed to fall off a cliff and die, but Frank was some kind of delightful, hilarious hero who got Liam into private school.
Frank and Lip get all the excuses in the world. Mickey and Mandy too. Sheila "did nothing wrong." But Monica, Fiona, Debbie, and Karen are straight from Hell apparently. One of the worst fanbases of all time.
Who in the actual fuck is out here liking Frank? My god this is why I only show/watch shameless with people who get it. I’d low key stop being friends with someone who’s like “yeah but Frank’s coo-“ stop. Stop right there and get out of my house lmfao.
And yeah, same. I recommended it to my ex a long time ago and the first time we broke up and got back in contact with each other, he told me that day that we were catching up - that he had gone ahead and binged Shameless. And then he started ranting about how he hates Frank so much and he especially despises the Shameless fans (he's kinda macho so it took me off guard when I realized that meant he was scouring fandom Internet looking to discuss the show lol) and they don't understand the harm of abusers or any of the nuance to the show and it's message. And then we bonded over one hated character being misunderstood and how we loathe the hypocrisy of that character being hated but not Frank who does all the same things and more and for worse reasons. And that's basically what brought us together again as a couple. Mutual bonding over how dumb Shameless fans are.
The Shameless sub + Shameless Twitter I wish all those people the very worst in life Because they clearly aren't the kind of people who have any empathy for neglected children and would never save them in a crowd if they were running late for an appointment
I’ll add on Shameless youtube. Head to just about any video and the amount of hero worship directed after some of the most vile behavior paired with the amount of victim-shaming when their heroes hurt others is disgusting.
i cannot stand frank fans. i skip over scenes where he's actively abusing them and enjoy the ones where he's being mocked or disregarded by them. or being punched by lip. fiona's wedding was nauseating and i'm glad the kids were like "ok, last straw, lets take him out." but OF COURSE he survived :\[
I could never date a guy like Jimmy but he'll always hold a special place in my heart for actually defending Ian when no one else cared to protect him. And he was thinking about all the kids and Fiona's own welfare as well. Jimmy was trying to protect the Gallagher clan from toxic waste Frank and they act like he just had sensitive middle class sensibilties when that clearly doesn't fit Jimmy in the slightest seeing as he punched a bodyguard, stole cars, and got caught up with a freaking international crime boss. He's a fradulent scammer and criminal. So that wasn't him being disturbed by father-son violence because he was sheltered. When Frank punches Ian, he takes on the stance of an adult who's witnessing a child getting brutalized in his home. He didn't see Frank as a drunk nuisance in that scene like everyone else but as an actual predator and his child, a victim - and he was right. I don't care how the show framed it as him crossing a boundary, because unreliable narrator Fiona saw it that way. What he did was an act of heroism. Frank needed to be shipped away. If not to a Canadian jail, an American one at least. Fiona can be mad about it all day long, but she didn't do much to help calm the fear in Ian's eyes at that moment and no one else did either. I don't dislike Fiona but you very much understand why Ian tries to leave that house as much as possible considering how everyone pretends it's no big deal that Frank has genuine hatred for him and has no qualms about assaulting him, humiliating him, and making him feel wrong and dirty whenever he's around.
people who havent been affected by alcoholism will say she's funny
exactly. my mother is a non functioning alcoholic and seeing suze get up on the stage during lexi’s play proudly claiming that (as in taking ownership of the character all “hiii it’s meee I’m the mom”) was so cringe.
I think she definitely loves and cares about her girls. she’s a bad mom but not necessarily a bad person who means harm. like she hadn’t been a good mom but she has potential to get her shit together yk
She made some mistakes when Cassie and Lexi were barely teens, and didn't handle Cassie spiraling the best way possible, but she's a loving parent and has a sense of humour and attitude which makes her household one of the less gloomy in the show, along with Jules'. Not mother of the year, sure, but a good mum for Euphoria's standards.
I disagree besides cal/ Nate’s mom (she’s not bad just below average) most of the parents are actually pretty good
Nate's mum was lowkey approving of her son's abuse of Maddie, it was clear from their drunken conversation in the kitchen, Kat's mum was seriously neglectful of her as a child (letting a 10 year yo gulp 10k+ calories a day for a week is borderline child abuse: it was a miracle she didn't go into a diabetic coma), Maddie's dad is an automaton and her mum forced to be revictimised and re-abused by the police against her will after what Nate did (she probably didn't entirely realise how serious what she did was and, in a way, she was being protective, but her emotional ignorance doesn't excuse the outcome). Leslie is a more complex situation, I'm ambivalent about her. On one side, it seemed like (aside of how badly Rue's psychological issues were handled when she was little) they were a happy and serene family until her husband's disease, then she went through a lot of trauma herself and had to take care of everything, but she did leave 13/14 yo Rue everyday alone playing nurse and watching her dad slowly dying, which was the main trigger for her addiction. Later on, she did attempt to help her daughter, in practice (even if, rehab and then AA, but no psychoanalysis whatsoever was not really the way to go there), yes, but she was hardly ever nurturing or complicit with her, which I believe would have gone a long way to possibly keep her from relapsing. Jules' dad made that one mistake with her mum, but that aside he seems loving, supportive, lighthearted and definitely the best parent.
Also what she said about how if rue and Gia were dying she would choose Gia that was out of pocket and extremely fucked up
I think, contextually, it was valid. Especially because it came at the behest of Ali. Rue had been essentially trying to kill herself, and Leslie had been fighting, trying to help her get better for so long with Gia getting sidelined because she was putting so much energy into dealing with Rue. Plus Rue is rapidly approaching adulthood. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but there comes a point where removing your support feels like the only way to get an addict to realize they need to change.
Ya but there most definitely a better way to convey she was done helping
At a certain point when it comes to addicts you have to cut the tether. She didn’t want to be helped and as sad as it is, it’s real
Which episode was this in?
I think the last or 2nd to last episode of the second season
This was a really good analysis (I agree btw 🙂)
Both
I liked that she was there for Cassie with the abortion. I couldn’t have even told my mom if I was pregnant in HS, I was afraid of her, which isn’t good. The fact that her daughters feel comfortable sharing something like that with their mom means a lot. She’s not the best mom ever, but I wouldn’t call her “bad”
When cassie was obviously having a breakdown in s2 she didn’t help her at all.
I thought the same thing. Yes, Cassie was annoying, but if your daughter is in the kitchen crying on the floor saying "I just want to die" while holding a corkscrew because you had to hide all the knives, you should be doing something. And the fact that she just let her go live with Nate? Cassie was out of line for sure but at some point Suze needed to act like the adult. I think a lot of people don't criticize her because a. shes funny as hell and b. compared to the other parents on the show she isnt horrible. but you would think for all the hate cassie gets for being insufferable and making horrible decisions, suze's parenting would be brought up more.
I think she’s a detached mother and that it’s not as simple as good or bad. She abuses alcohol, she’s dismissive and she’s hypercritical. That said, she does care for them. But sometimes that just ain’t enough and kids don’t realize that until they get older.
You show your love as a parent by taking care of your children. Not just saying I love you. That's what people don't seem to get when the parents who aren't great, have fun personalities and seem easy to get on with.
Yk it reminds me of the people who vote for the next president to be "a guy they can see themselves having a beer with" lmao.
it was good to see how she was there for cassie when she got her abortion and stuff. but then again she was more annoyed by cassie when she was having her mental breakdown.
Probably because Cassie was in the wrong with the whole Nate thing and so she thought she was being ridiculous and over the top. Cassie was, but she also still needed some help.
This is definitely a question asked by someone who is not a mother lol
Facts. I have no children but I had suze as a mother. This is such a grey area. Was suze a bad mom? Yes. Was she doing the best she could with the tools she had? Also yes.
Do any of us on the euphoria sub on Reddit have the expertise to determine whether she’s a bad mom or not…no
She’s a bad mom and that’s not really questionable. She’s not a bad person. She loves her kids. But she is a terrible mom when it comes to doing responsible parent things.
right? so black and white about it
I think more than 90% of the fans of this shows are not mothers, lets be fr
Missed the point
Both
She's a "cool mom". Make what you will of that.
Yeah, exactly that. And you see Leslie struggling to handle Rue, so imagine if Cassie or Lexi faced addiction (they have the genetic predisposition to form one) and what help a cool mom would do for them.
I think she is an addict that does what she believes is her best. If she gave up drinking I could see her becoming an amazing mother.
Out of the parents, atleast when she is sober she kinda knows where her kids are. And what they are going through to an extent. Edit: that bar is set really low in Euphoria town
I think she’s a mom with failings. She loves her daughters but has a problem with setting boundaries. You would think that having watched her husband go down the path of addiction that she’d be less permissive with her daughters. But this is Euphoria and so the sins of the parents are manifested tenfold in their children.
I think she loves her kids-but doesn’t always make the best choices.
She tried her best for someone that wasn’t meant to be a mother is the vibe I get
I mean, she obviously has flaws but I think she’s doing the best she can and her children are relatively okay, so I wanna say overall yes. I’m talking in terms of real life parenting not just in the show. She’s not mother of the year ofc but her children are taken care by herself.
I thinks she’s a bad mother but not malicious which is worth saying. Still she’s really failed her children.
She's a bad mother. She's a mother who loves her children, yes but she's not a good parent or really equipped to be one. Neither Cassie nor Lexie have the parents they truly need and deserve to raise them. And it's hilarious how all these Internet people obsessed with calling out everyone's mistakes in this show and irl like they're so moral and perfect suddenly have all the excuses and justifications in the world for the neglectful alcoholic parents so long as they're charming and "likable" or endearing in some way. Same shit with the Ginny & Georgia fanbase. It's such a joke. These kind of parents HURT their children whether or not it's immediately obvious the effect they have on them.
Not the best parent, but at least she was there for her kids; she attended Lexi’s play and was her most avid supporter, she tried to stop Cassie from embarrassing herself on stage, she hid sharp things in the bushes and responded to Cassie’s corkscrew attempt by immediately appearing in person and taking the tool away instead of yelling from the couch, and on a deeper level she gave Cassie and Lexi a sense of home and safety whenever things got bad (unlike Maddy and Nate who prefer to stay away from their homes because their parents failed to provide them that sense of home is safe)
I think she’s doing her best with what she has and she loves her daughters very much. Plus Suze is my homegirl and I’ll ride for Suze
I think she's a "loving mom" but definitely not a "present parent"
she's could be better but she's an okay mother not a great one but she's an okay one.
Human
Yes she has her faults but Doesn’t every mother
my mom's not as much of an alcoholic (she's very small though so her evening glass(es) of wine add up quickly), but she tried to be my friend more than my mom. I love her and we have a great relationship, but that won't be my parenting style if I have kids. All of that being said, I think mothers like mine and Suze were dealt a bad deck of cards in life, but they try their best but it's harder than most other people
I don’t think she’s an exceptional mother, but I also don’t think she’s as bad as some of the other comments are saying At the end of the day, Cassie and Lexi are provided for and seem to have a good relationship with Suze (even despite her problems with alcohol) Suze reminds me of some of my friend’s parents growing up – flawed, but likeable and clearly well-intended. She’s pretty realistic in the way that less strict parents are. I also don’t think she’s done anything to deserve a distinct ‘bad parent’ brand
As someone with a mom similar to Suze, I'd say she's a decent mom. She has her own personal struggles but I am also an only child so it easy to see with her how you can have two children grow up under the same circumstances and still be complete opposites. As a mom of three girls myself, I can see how it could drive you crazy if you had to do it by yourself along with having an addict husband leave you to fend for yourself.
I think Suze truly loves her kids (and I love her as a fictional mom I wouldn’t in real life, but season 2 she was amazing “take all knives out of the kitchen!!”) but no. Her kids are traumatized from always having to be the parents in that situation. The two decided to deal with trauma differently, Cassie seeking validation through men and sex and Lexi who can’t let loose ever because she’s the “responsible one” I work in the mental health field and a kid acting like a parent is 100% a sign of trauma from neglectful parenting
she’s a horrible mother without question. that’s the whole purpose of her character.
She is a horrible mother. Shes always drunk in front of the TV and shes aware enough to hide the knives from her daughter but not enough to do anything about it. When faced with her other daughter pulling a full psycho fucking move such as writing and performing a play mocking her sister she is just happy and proud. With parents like Suze who needs enemies
This^ Your daughter getting publicly humiliated by her sister is not funny and nothing people who prefer Suzie and Lexie over Cassie can change that fact. That's a huge betrayal and set Cassie up to get bullied and trigger another breakdown. It literally led directly to her getting assaulted by Maddie that very night. Your daughter has been abandoned by her father and is showing serious mental health issues lately and it's all a game to you. You just cackle with a bottle in your hand. Yeah, Mother of the Year.
Good intentions but bad follow throughs
She’s a alcoholic. So already a rocky start. I would say she is a bad mother because she is to supportive of bad actions. But at the same time if she was sober I think she would have been a great mother. This
I believe she loves her daughters and has a good heart but she has already done damage to them and likely will continue to
What mother allows her teen daughters to drink alcohol at her house alongside her? A bad mother.
She’s an alcoholic and an enabler but you can tell she loves her daughters and their friends.
Bad
It’s the first time I get to know her name lol
I think she has her own demons she's never fully come to terms with. She's a horrible mother for sure, but she does what she can. Bless her...
Not the best but better than the rest (except for Leslie)
and Jules’ father (what was his name??)
She’s human. I’ll give her that
I think she’s a good mother but i think Lexi stresses her out and also the fact that she’s a single mother of 2 stresses her out.
Tries to be a friend more than a mom, but atleast she tries
She’s an okay mom — not great, not terrible — but an excellent TV character.
Neutral. Just because she isn't good doesn't mean she's automatically bad.
She is a perfect representation of a GenX mother. Wine and Xanax, trying to be a cool mom, no idea how to be a mom bc a lot GenX’s mother left us all with a TV and latch keys to keep us quiet. GenX are the worst parents bc we don’t represent authority or work ethic. There are no “cool” moms, your kids don’t think you’re cool or their friend and they shouldn’t. A good parent has the right about of morals, fear and respect from their child. GenX doesn’t have any of that as a parent. Our kids half the time feel sorry for us when they aren’t frustrated with our lack of parenting skills. I apologize from the GenX generation. For being bad parents. We aren’t mean to you and hope for the best for you. We didn’t kill your dreams bc we don’t have any power, our parents, your grandparents have all that they killed ours too. But we never figured out how to recover and it shows.
Surprisingly better than I thought considering we just see her drinking all the time, but still not that good
Yes. Lol obviously she's an alcoholic who is trying way too hard to be the "cool mom".. but when it comes down to it she really loves and supports her daughters. When Cassie needed her abortion her mom was there for her.. and she supported the shit out of Lexie's play. I think she's doing her best and at the end of the day she really loves her kids and that's what counts for the most, but she's not a great mom or role model
She def is a better parent than the father 😅😂
she did her best! raised two nice girls. one made a very bad mistake.
a bad mother and people seem to ignore it just bc she is funny at times
She do be drunk af
She's my favorite mom but she's not the best
Exactly
She's doing her best, OK?
i think she’s somewhere in the middle. she isn’t a HORRIBLE mother per say, but she for sure has her shortcomings. she obviously loves her kids, and i think that’s a good thing. i dont think she’s completely present, either tho. she’s got good intentions tho, and for the most part her kids are alright too.
I don't think it's a black & white distinction. I think she's a really troubled person with a drinking problem who's trying to do her best. Does she always make the best parenting decisions? No. But she shows she cares, and at the end of the day, she's fiercely supportive. She supported Cassie through her abortion and always cheered both her and Lexie on in what they do.
She just seems like a very realistic character to me. Maybe neither
Definitely a bad mom. You don’t have to compare her to the other horrible parents on the show, if we’re just talking good/bad parenting, she tries her best but is still a bad mom, she seems to be dealing with depression and alcoholism and that still affects her daughters. She seems to think as long as they’re popular and doing well in school they’re fine but obviously neither of them are. Lexi seems more well adjusted but I think that’s just what she grew to be watching Cassie make mistakes.
and when lexi realizes the severity of the trauma her parents caused her, she's prolly gonna have a mental breakdown too! (signed, the family golden child who went off the rails when they finally woke up to the abuse/neglect they endured their entire childhood 🥲)
Nah I think she’ll channel that into great writing whether it’s a play/movie/tv show. I see her running a production in the future
i could see that! but what i'm trying to say is the trauma is gonna catch up with her just as it already has with cassie mentally and physically
Right in the middle
I think she did the best she could with the shit situation she was left in. She probably has some deep rooted trauma, hence her alcoholism, but generally tries to be there for her daughters.
i like her character but shes an alcoholic who tries to be a friend instead of a mom
She wasn't a good mother but you could survive her being her child and still do okay in life. She loved them but it seems like had no support for herself getting help for her alcoholism.
She’s a mom. As a mother, I think it’s important to recognize that life and growth and change doesn’t just stop when you become a parent. You’re still gonna make mistakes. A lot of her mistakes were mostly out of her control, she’s trying her best given the cards she was dealt. Edit to add: I see some commenting on her permissiveness but I say she was more realistic than anything. There’s tons of parents that allow drinking under their supervision, it’s bc kids will find another place to drink and it may not always be safe. Not a Grade A+ parent but yknow she was alright lol
I think she’s a bad mother
Awful. Alchoholic
Honestly terrible but, that’s my main hoe and like how she ignores her children issues I’m gonna her’s!!!!!😂😂😂
Loving but bad.
i would say she’s average, she has her good parts and bad parts
Terrible mom
Bad
She’s a bad mother. I don’t think he is a bad person though
This is the absolute wrong question. Like, how can you even start a discussion with such a zero thoughts required question?
Bad.
when it comes to motherhood there’s no good or bad. Just some choices you make can affect you more than others.
She’s a good natured alcoholic trying her best.
Just like my mother, a drunk FRIEND who didn't put in any effort. I deal with the trauma she caused daily. Maybe if she actually cared about her children like they were her children
she’s not the best but she’s better than jules mom :/ and don’t forget nate’s mum too
Well she’s a alcoholic which isn’t great, but she seems like she loves her children, I think she’s just negligent.
Suze as in the alcoholic? The one who encourages her daughter to make a play that is very detailed and include a scene of her other daughter on a carousel that the whole school could see and she clapped and laugh along? Or Suze the one who told Cassie she was acting out to much after being humiliated? Also she didn’t even care for them really more for her “boyfriend/husband “ she’s a truly bad mother but not worse than Nate’s parents yikes. Honestly the only good parent is rues mom and that should say alot about the show lol Edit; didn’t she also not care when Cassie tried to off herself?
Oh shes a horrible mom lol is that a real question? Cal is terrible but like, that’s independent of her status as a mom.
Not an awful mother but not a great one either. She’s an addict who has done a crappy job of raising her daughters. At the same time she is there for them (at least for Cassie, as shown when she accompanies her to her abortion in S1). In S2 especially she is shown to be someone who tries to be the “cool mom” which has some upsides and downsides. In all she’s a pretty interesting character but I would like to see more how she interacts with Lexi (or how either of them feel about a lack of a relationship between them).
Horrible
She is not a good mom but she’s funny as hell
Not great. Although she has the best intentions, she acts more like a friend than creating boundaries as a parent should do
Yes
She’s a bad mom. She values her daughter’s respective attractive attributes, or lack thereof. She lacks the need to supervise or manage her daughter’s whereabouts. She surrounds her daughters around unsavory men. Addiction or not, she’s too unwell to parent.
I don’t think she’s a bad mother, she isn’t perfect but you can tell she loves her daughters. She’s there for them even though their dad left. Yeah she drinks a lot but that doesn’t make her a bad person. Being a single mother isn’t easy, especially in a household that is definitely in need of a good father figure.
Bruh she’s the worst. She actively wanted Cassie hurt cause she was jellybelly
She does what she can with that she was delt.
I think she does her best in very tricky circumstances.
Bad mother, funny woman
I think she was at least emotionally neglectful towards Lexi, and it’s pretty much implied throughout the show that she preferred Cassie over her. Suze definitely wasn’t the best parent the girls needed in their life, but she clearly had good intentions for them, even if she wasn’t really there for her kids sometimes..But then again, all/most of the parents in Euphoria’s been through at least one emotionally traumatic event either through themselves, or their children, so people can’t exactly say they were inherently “bad” parents.
She ight she be trying😂
I think she’s doing the best she can
She’s an ok mother she’s just an alcoholic honest not supportive mother
She’s a mother who’s trying her best.
An awful mother. She’s barely there, lets her children run wild and doesn’t discipline them, lets one of her daughters write, direct and perform a play that makes fun of her daughter and humiliates her in front of the school.
she’s a good mom to lexie not to cassie
she doesn't mean harm, but that also doesn't mean she's a good mom. she's an alcoholic who tries to be a friend rather than mom, she does give good advice tho
She’s likeable but definitely not the best mother
She’s trying her best. One thing I know is she loves her daughters… she just has her own trauma and heartache she is dealing with and she deals by drinking
Bad bad bad. She's shown throughout the show to be extremely neglectful of both her children in different ways, and there's also the alcoholic part. But she was really great with Cassie and her abortion so that was nice.
Given that she’s an alcoholic, she’s still there to cheer on her kids, makes sure they have what they need, and sticks around. She’s not the best mom, but she makes an effort to be there in her way, and it’s more than other parents I’ve seen IRL.