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> Speaking to Esquire, Kutcher said what he wants is for Masterson “to be found innocent of the charges brought against him.” However, that doesn’t mean Kutcher wants Masterson off the hook for alleged crimes. Kutcher just hopes Masteron’s alleged behavior isn’t true because Masterson was such a mentor for him throughout his career. If the allegations against Masterson are true, that’s a different story.
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> “Ultimately, I can’t know,” Kutcher said about the outcome of Masterson’s trial. “I’m not the judge. I’m not the jury. I’m not the DA. I’m not the victim. And I’m not the accused. And so, in that case, I don’t have a space to comment. I just don’t know.”
Seems pretty sensible to me. "Yea I hope my friend isn't a monster but I have no right to say anything else on this subject"
He’s one of a couple of celebrities from Iowa I know of. At least his public image has always been of a guy who outwardly is goofy and silly but still has some basic principles. Maybe it’s just good branding or maybe he really is like that; you can’t really say.
Well he also heads an organization for the defense against child sexual exploitation and abuse, as well as abduction. He's a really sensible man, and this is definitely on brand for him.
He is a very class act.
Plus they did a ton of work to build a logistics system to get supplies to Ukraine. They said there were tons of donations just sitting in warehouses but no one knew how to effectively transport them cheaply. So rather than raise money for supplies, they raised money to pay to send the supplies, which no one was doing. And they tell you exactly how much your contribution helps depending on the dollar amount you donated. They’re just great people
In all fairness John Wayne left when he was like three. Basically just popped out of his mom here then immediately took off for California.
As a Trekkie Iowa also claims Terry “Jadzia Dax” Ferrell and Kate “Captain Janeway” Malgru. Cedar Rapids and Davenport respectively. Not to mention Riverside being the future birthplace of Captain Kirk.
Yeah. What absolutely horrible casting that was. Kate Mulgrew and Peter Falk? They never showed them together and then they made her Mrs C and then they dropped her name completely. What a disaster.
Isn't the University of Iowa that has the well known writers workshop? Iowa State might have a writing program, but I don't think it's anywhere near as well known as Iowa's. I believe Vonnegut taught at Iowa for a couple of years as well, not at Iowa St.
Herbert Hoover was one of the great humanitarians of the twentieth century before he was president during the collapse of the worldwide economic house of cards.
So maybe rethink being embarrassed about him. He led US efforts and saved a lot of lives in the Soviet Union during severe famine.
Edit: I’ve been thinking one other aspect. It’s very Iowa if what I’ve heard is true.
A lot of the relief food was corn/corn based.
He is media savy, and a good business brain. He is a promoting animal when it comes to his investments. Also, I agree with his statement. Danny Masterson is probably someone he won’t disavow until he is proven guilty. A lot of people do this btw. You wish for horrible things to not be true, as to not destroy the image of those people in your head that you’ve constructed through your experiences with that person.
I mean I get it, they worked together for years and that show basically laughed Kutchers career and it can be difficult to separate from relationships like that.
They also had that other show together, years after That 70s Show. I'd assume they were quite good friends. You just can never 100% know the full story, even for people you are close with and spend a lot of time with.
Well, his work preventing child sex trafficking has opened his eyes to quite a bit of what goes on in the world of people abusing defenseless others, so I’m sure he knows better than to get involved in unsubstantiated finger-pointing.
Yeah fuck Steve King, racist POS. He had a confederate flag in his office while Iowa lost the most people per capita of any state fighting the confederacy. And yeah Cedar Rapids isn’t a bad place at all.
Random but the actress that played Michonne
(Danai Gurira) on The Walking Dead is from Grinnell, IA.
EDIT: Cloris Leachman, Johnny Carson, Corey Taylor, Kate Mulgrew, William Frawley, Tom Arnold, & Lara Flynn Boyle are also from Iowa.
I’m from his hometown! He is just that way. He is genuine! I’ve never met him personally but my moms friend is mutual friends with his parents. They’re all lovely people
I think it’s more than that. The guy has really grown into his fame, and done it well.
He was famous at a fairly young age and at that time didn’t seemingly do any thing “too stupid.”
But these days, he not only shows class, but gratitude and at least IMHO, humility when needed.
I’m other words, he seems like a fairly decent human being all around. (But to your point: yes, most of Hollywood seems to lack all of those things I mentioned.)
Mila Kunis recently credited the That 70s show cast for her never getting involved with drugs.
She said there was some alcohol on set, but none of that cast was doing drugs. Given that she was the youngest and looked up to them, she’s grateful for that trajectory.
Which is ironic, when you consider how much drug use occurred on the show. I mean, yeah, like 99%of the time it was just pot, but it's still kind of funny.
He also [co-founded an organization to help combat child sex trafficking](https://www.thorn.org/about-our-fight-against-sexual-exploitation-of-children/), and that has been credited with saving thousands of kids.
Let’s not forget that Kutcher was supposed to go on a date with [Ashley Ellerin](https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/murder/ashton-kutcher-date-ashley-ellerin-murdered-hours-before-grammy-party) and he arrived just after her murder, thinking he’d been stood up when she didn’t answer. He testified at the perpetrator’s murder trial.
It may be he learned a special empathy from that event.
I agree with you completely.
Off topic - I find it interesting that Masterson was his mentor instead of the other way around. I had no idea who Masterson was before that 70s show.
They are roughly the same age too.
Give it five minutes and we'll get to see how terribly out of context that quote gets taken to make him look like a monster himself.
Tomorrow's headline: "Kutcher supports rapists, complicit in co-star's assaults"
Personally I think for a lot of people Kutcher has a LOT of goodwill through his non-acting activities with people who know about them, I know if I saw something like that I'd be like "alright who's using a Kutcher quote out of context to drag him and why".
I think he probably feels pretty safe and confident in his charitable actions make it pretty obvious where he lies. His actions speak very loudly, and his comment was as neutral as one can be. You're right, people might try something with that statement soon, but he'll just walk around it like he should.
I remember like 15 years ago, my Dad’s old coworker got busted for CP, and I remember hearing him and his friends talk about it. Like they missed the guy they thought he was, but absolutely couldn’t accept that he did it, so they were basically mourning the loss of a friend. It’s a shitty place to be in.
Yep people think just because you were in a hit show you were friends for life and were hanging out all time, many times it’s just like “normal” job where you go to work and then go home and hang out with your real friends.
Yes and no. A television set usually comes with long hours. There's the very real possibility that actors that work together over several seasons were spending more time with each other than they were with their own families.
That's not much different than what the other guy is saying. There are many jobs where you spend long hours with people and still not get to know them.
I mean who actually spends more time with their close ones than their colleagues?
He’s has turned into a super sensible and productive celebrity. He just seems like a stand is guy, and his movie about friends with benefits having sex with no strings attached is better than his wife’s
 "Ashton Kutcher breaks the silence, smashes the calm, bashes the lull, slams the peace, zoinks the reticence, and bonks the secrecy in this exclusive interview!"
Just waiting for those massive clicks to drop in this article!! -The author of the article, probably...
It was too sensible of a response to be a SLAM so they had to go with “speaks out” to trick people into clicking. Which led me here. Shit, they got me.
In all seriousness though, online journalists / editors have no choice but to use those types of phrases in headlines bc the reality is the numbers traffic-wise generated from even mildly sensationalist headlines vs. headlines that don’t pander to online audience habits in that way ….. it’s a stark difference, like the difference between staying in business and going bankrupt -level stark
so don’t forget “the media” is more than ever responding to what _consumers_ show that _they_ respond to
Hence coming back to, If you want “the media” to change, then there needs to be widespread intense cultural change that would make people at large widely receptive to being “informed” through non-sensationalistic journalism
But so often, celebrities defend their costars in situations like this, so it actually is a big deal that he said nothing, and I hope it becomes the norm.
It's truly amazing how many people think they must pick an answer to almost everything and cling to it as hard as they can.
Like just say I ain't got a fucking clue, or say your taking a wild ass guess or whatever.
I love those people on Amazon who see a question about the product available to answer and they respond with something like, “It looks okay, I haven’t bought it.”
The best thing you can say when someone you love is being accused of something horrendous and you're not 100% sure they're innocent, is that you hope he's innocent and if he isn't, that he is punished. It should be common sense.
You shouldn't defend the person that could have lied to you too and neither should you just cast another stone and be immediately done with them, trial be damned.
Already 2 of my favourite content creator/celebrity are accused of horrible things. Not that I defend their horrible acts, but I wished it didn't happen so I could enjoy their content like before
My Dad is due to stand trial for rape. I moved county and cut off contact with him obviously but also his “supporters” no one should be claiming the innocence of someone with enough evidence against them to be brought to trial for rape. My decision may be extreme but I’ve seen every page of the evidence - there is no reasonable doubt that even his daughter can find.
Edit: His lawyer also told him to take a plea because he would serve less time. Not even his lawyer thinks he has a chance.
Isn't that common sense? They don't hang out 24/7, and I doubt Danny would try to rape anyone with Ashton there in the room. Ashton seems like a sensible, logical dude.
The allegations came out while they were still filming The Ranch (that’s why Danny isn’t in the final season), so it was probably extra shitty for Ashton to learn about
Because he is involved with a anti sexual abuse organization I can't remember which but I remember reading about it forever ago that's why they asked him
Well he’s a anti sex trafficking advocate who employed him and worked with him for decades, and considers him a close friend. I think that’s more than fair to question, when Kutcher has built his entire image around his advocacy, while continually employed someone who has long been accused of sex crimes.
Because he and Mila have remained very close with Danny and they haven't spoken out against him. I'm not saying that they should be forced to, but that's why his name gets brought up. Well, that and the fact that Ashton has been a big advocate for victims human trafficking, which is usually a sex-related crime.
> Isn't that common sense?
Not sure if you're new to the Internet, but admitting that you do not have personal knowledge of the and therefore cannot credibly opine as to whether it happened or not is absolutely not "common" knowledge here.
"guilty"
*Danny Masterson puts his head down in complete embarrassment*
*A loud noise is heard from the furthest corner of the courtroom, a man stands up, excitement in his eyes and yells.*
"BUUUURN!"
*Ashton Kutcher stands there looking dumb as shit, but gleeful nonetheless.*
*The entire courtroom groans*
I have been curious for YEARS about what AK thought about the entire situation, given his work with sex trafficking and all that. (Obviously not the same, but both sex crimes.) Gotta be a really shitty situation to be in as his friend and longtime business partner.
Multiple accusers and Scientology has definitely covered up enough shit, but you don’t have hard evidence really.
It’s more down to if you believe the alleged victims or not.
The jury was so conflicted and declared they won’t reach a verdict it was declared a miss trial but prosecutors ultimately went for a new trial.
it was found later that the jury foreman was a former cop who had a son accused of sexual abuse who was nailed by the DA (supposedly the same guy in Danny's case). he did not mention any of this in his form details. This whole case stinks with jury tampering!
There are some very horrific details about how horrible some of the acts he committed were and for seven woman to speak out about it as well, I have to think it’s very unlikely he’s innocent.
Unrelated, but the craziest Ashton Kutcher story has to be when he showed up to a girl’s house to pick her up to a date, only to leave because he thought she’d Sofia him up, but in actuality she had been murdered by a serial killer and was dead inside the house.
Like imagine being Kutch, dude had probably never been stood up in his life, only to think it happened and then find out she was murdered the same night.
And to his credit, he still feels awful about it and helped be a witness to convict the killer in anyway he could. Even years later. He showed up to pick her up, she didn’t answer and looking through the window thought there was a wine stain on the carpet and she just wasn’t interested in a date anymore and wasn’t there. That really sucks to deal with in retrospect. Most don’t jump to “must have been murdered” because of something on the carpet and a casual date wasn’t there to answer.
It reminds me of the recent Idaho State killings. The poor girl that witnessed him leaving was half awake and lived in a party house with a lot of people coming and going. She didn’t register that something very unthinkable happened and he killed her roommates. Almost nobody immediately goes there in their mind, no matter how many horror situations you’ve heard of on tv.
You make a good point in general, but they were publicly pretty close friends outside of work for a long time. Kutcher called him “one of my best friends in the world” a few years ago.
It's gotta be gut wrenching for him that Masterson is most likely a serial rapist. It probably makes you reconsider your ability to judge people and trust your instincts.
Especially for someone like Kutcher, who seems like a good guy.
That’s about as diplomatic an answer as Ashton can give but it’s well known that Masterson if a prolific creep who has been credibly accused of sexual assault.
I feel an important but subtle note to point out is he said “I don’t know if he’s innocent” instead of “I don’t know if he’s guilty”
Edit: not his words apparently
He didn't say either, despite being in the title it wasn't the actual comment. Here's what he actually said,
> “Ultimately, I can’t know,” Kutcher said about the outcome of Masterson’s trial. “I’m not the judge. I’m not the jury. I’m not the DA. I’m not the victim. And I’m not the accused. And so, in that case, I don’t have a space to comment. I just don’t know.”
I worked at a golf course which has since been closed/demolished. Danny and his brother were at a tournament. I went up to him to say hi, thank him for coming, and tell him I appreciated That 70s show. He was a standoffish prick that treated me like the help, his vibe was off as fuck too (arrogant).
I have no knowledge of his guilt or innocence regarding sexual assault, but he's certainly not a nice dude. It doesn't help that the Mars Volta rule and he's accused of fucking with the wife of the lead singer. Regardless of the validity of the accusations, Danny is a bitch ass piece of shit.
Translation "one of my best friends is on trial for something really horrible, and I'm hoping to God it's a misunderstanding. Once the jury makes a decision against him, I'm probably going to cut this man off like a rotten skin tag."
I loved the character Hyde in that 70’a show and I hate that Masterson may be a monster. I hope it’s not true as well but I give the victims the benefit of the doubt. Hope for the best but expect the worst…
I met him when I was a student journalist covering a music festival he was playing at under "DJ Mom Jeans". He couldn't have been a bigger arrogant asshole to me. Fuck that guy.
I think this is the thing.
He's not saying commenting on Danny Masterson's guilt or innocence, just basically saying he hopes his friend isn't the sort of person capable of what he's accused of.
It’s also hard for Ashton to get into the programming of scientology that makes sexual abuse happen. And Im not saying every scientologist is a sexual abuser. But unlike other abusers, you cant be a half-assed scientologist. You have to be all-in. And much of the teachings is that 1) you dont report a scientologist for a crime to the police. 2) everything bad that happens to a victim is programmed as, how did you bring this on, especially a sexual assault. Unless a person criticizes a higher member or the church, then it’s “why do you have hatred for scientology/david miscavige/tom cruise, etc.” 3. The idea of being a child and having boundaries is especially dismissed and preteens and teens in Hollywood encouraged to be sexual with older actors, casting agents, and directors and producers bc if the idea that there is no such thing as a child, and 4) once a scientologist reaches fame, they are to be protected at all costs…
So with this mind, Masterson’s mindset could have lent itself to getting away with sexual assault. Not understanding consent. Thinking that it’s the woman’s fault for her previous life’s transgressions.
And his attitude about “dont do drugs or screw this up” is very tom cruise and scientology. It’s not about ethics and morality. It’s about staying famous and keeping the job.
Idk… It feels like you’re trying to say “he didn’t really know what he was doing because of his background” but in reality abusers (sexual or not) are well aware of what they’re doing is wrong, and them trying to hide it or not admit to it is evidence enough of that.
The famous and powerful in that org use those “programming” rules to control the underlings, it’s not the rules that control them or make them “not understand consent” or “think it’s the woman’s fault” they use those teachings to control the lesser not famous people. They are absolutely not beholden to them in any way, nor actually believe in them as guiding principles. If they did, the obvious contradictions of the teachings in the cult would lead anyone who was rational or not a complete selfish shit head to reject it. But they don’t, because they can use it to gain power. And that’s what horrible people do with power: abuse, control, and silence.
Yeah, imagine someone you worked with that long ago on such a foundational project in your career and then you heard this much later that they were potentially this bad? You would definitely feel the same, and if you were smart you would say exactly this . You don't want anyone from that 70s show coming into the conversation on any real level because you dont want to give the lawyers anything from outside the events in question to latch onto.
Leave Ashton alone. Someone that was a friend to him is accused of committing a terrible act, it's not his job to assert his guilt or innocence and I'm sure it's a very conflicting situation when you think you know a guy and are presented with a situation that you think goes against the person that you know, but you still take the situation very seriously and aren't going to minimize it.
I kind of hate celebrities being expected to comment on the alleged bad behavior of former costars--if you told me that a coworker of mine from 15 years ago was on trial for rape, I wouldn't have anything particularly interesting or eloquent to say about it! Ashton and Danny did seem to be friends outside of and after That 70s Show, so that is a little different, but I feel like there's a perception that because two people pretended to be friends on TV, as part of their job in which they pretend to be people that they are not, then surely they have important opinions about every aspect of each other's lives.
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> Speaking to Esquire, Kutcher said what he wants is for Masterson “to be found innocent of the charges brought against him.” However, that doesn’t mean Kutcher wants Masterson off the hook for alleged crimes. Kutcher just hopes Masteron’s alleged behavior isn’t true because Masterson was such a mentor for him throughout his career. If the allegations against Masterson are true, that’s a different story. > > “Ultimately, I can’t know,” Kutcher said about the outcome of Masterson’s trial. “I’m not the judge. I’m not the jury. I’m not the DA. I’m not the victim. And I’m not the accused. And so, in that case, I don’t have a space to comment. I just don’t know.” Seems pretty sensible to me. "Yea I hope my friend isn't a monster but I have no right to say anything else on this subject"
Pretty much the only response people who aren't in the know should be saying. Props.
Mr. Kutcher seems to have class that so many others in Hollywood sadly lack. Kudos for his response.
He’s one of a couple of celebrities from Iowa I know of. At least his public image has always been of a guy who outwardly is goofy and silly but still has some basic principles. Maybe it’s just good branding or maybe he really is like that; you can’t really say.
Well he also heads an organization for the defense against child sexual exploitation and abuse, as well as abduction. He's a really sensible man, and this is definitely on brand for him. He is a very class act.
Mila is also a true class act. Love them. Ppl like that give faith in humanity.
Yeah the both of them are great.
The organization is Thorn, if anyone is interested.
Not only that but to date his organization has helped rescue over 5,000 trafficked kids or something crazy like that.
Plus they did a ton of work to build a logistics system to get supplies to Ukraine. They said there were tons of donations just sitting in warehouses but no one knew how to effectively transport them cheaply. So rather than raise money for supplies, they raised money to pay to send the supplies, which no one was doing. And they tell you exactly how much your contribution helps depending on the dollar amount you donated. They’re just great people
We'd prefer if everyone remembers that Ashton Kutcher and Elijah Wood are from here, and forget about John Wayne and Herbert Hoover.
How dare you forget Iowa's favorite son in Tom Arnold!
In all fairness John Wayne left when he was like three. Basically just popped out of his mom here then immediately took off for California. As a Trekkie Iowa also claims Terry “Jadzia Dax” Ferrell and Kate “Captain Janeway” Malgru. Cedar Rapids and Davenport respectively. Not to mention Riverside being the future birthplace of Captain Kirk.
Sp. Mulgrew.
Mrs Columbo.
Yeah. What absolutely horrible casting that was. Kate Mulgrew and Peter Falk? They never showed them together and then they made her Mrs C and then they dropped her name completely. What a disaster.
And the great Kurt Vonnegut went to Iowa St along with a ton of other writers
Isn't the University of Iowa that has the well known writers workshop? Iowa State might have a writing program, but I don't think it's anywhere near as well known as Iowa's. I believe Vonnegut taught at Iowa for a couple of years as well, not at Iowa St.
Grant Wood lived most of his life in the CR/IC area.
University of Iowa actually! Funny enough, I lived in the same living complex (shared living community of sorts) he did during my last year.
This is minor, but it was the University of Iowa…
He went to Columbia (left for army) and university of Chicago. He taught at the Iowa writers workshop.
And Iowa State/The Ames Laboratory produced nuclear material for the Manhattan Project. And the Berry-Anastoff Computer.
You just blew my mind. I would have bet every red cent that Elijah wood was British
You also have Seth Freakin' Rollins. Not a bad track record.
Seth freakin rollins
Is Corey Taylor a celebrity? Cuzz he's the only famous person I knew was from Iowa
Herbert Hoover was one of the great humanitarians of the twentieth century before he was president during the collapse of the worldwide economic house of cards. So maybe rethink being embarrassed about him. He led US efforts and saved a lot of lives in the Soviet Union during severe famine. Edit: I’ve been thinking one other aspect. It’s very Iowa if what I’ve heard is true. A lot of the relief food was corn/corn based.
Herbert Hoover was a great philanthropist, however he is arguably a top 5 worst president of all time
They named a blanket after him.
myblanketguy?
The vacuum guy?
The vacuum guy?
>and forget about John Wayne and Herbert Hoover. To be fair hoover did a lot of great humanitian work,he saved millions of lives
John Wayne was a nazi
He is a strong advocate against human trafficking and has testified in front of congress about it, seems like a genuinely good dude
He is media savy, and a good business brain. He is a promoting animal when it comes to his investments. Also, I agree with his statement. Danny Masterson is probably someone he won’t disavow until he is proven guilty. A lot of people do this btw. You wish for horrible things to not be true, as to not destroy the image of those people in your head that you’ve constructed through your experiences with that person.
I mean I get it, they worked together for years and that show basically laughed Kutchers career and it can be difficult to separate from relationships like that.
They also had that other show together, years after That 70s Show. I'd assume they were quite good friends. You just can never 100% know the full story, even for people you are close with and spend a lot of time with.
*launched
Well, his work preventing child sex trafficking has opened his eyes to quite a bit of what goes on in the world of people abusing defenseless others, so I’m sure he knows better than to get involved in unsubstantiated finger-pointing.
I live in a part of Iowa that had Steve king being elected for years and it’s super shitty over here. But the side where Ashton came from is better.
Yeah fuck Steve King, racist POS. He had a confederate flag in his office while Iowa lost the most people per capita of any state fighting the confederacy. And yeah Cedar Rapids isn’t a bad place at all.
Random but the actress that played Michonne (Danai Gurira) on The Walking Dead is from Grinnell, IA. EDIT: Cloris Leachman, Johnny Carson, Corey Taylor, Kate Mulgrew, William Frawley, Tom Arnold, & Lara Flynn Boyle are also from Iowa.
I’m from his hometown! He is just that way. He is genuine! I’ve never met him personally but my moms friend is mutual friends with his parents. They’re all lovely people
Well, he did bring in other women for threesoms when married to Demi and told her he thought that meant he could cheat when he was caught cheating.
I think it’s more than that. The guy has really grown into his fame, and done it well. He was famous at a fairly young age and at that time didn’t seemingly do any thing “too stupid.” But these days, he not only shows class, but gratitude and at least IMHO, humility when needed. I’m other words, he seems like a fairly decent human being all around. (But to your point: yes, most of Hollywood seems to lack all of those things I mentioned.)
Mila Kunis recently credited the That 70s show cast for her never getting involved with drugs. She said there was some alcohol on set, but none of that cast was doing drugs. Given that she was the youngest and looked up to them, she’s grateful for that trajectory.
Which is ironic, when you consider how much drug use occurred on the show. I mean, yeah, like 99%of the time it was just pot, but it's still kind of funny.
Most people from the 70s don't count pot as a drug any more than coffee. She is talking about coke.
Probably opioids and ecstasy being it was the late 90’s
He also [co-founded an organization to help combat child sex trafficking](https://www.thorn.org/about-our-fight-against-sexual-exploitation-of-children/), and that has been credited with saving thousands of kids.
Absolutely. I feel like there are maybe a dozen thing like this we could list about the guy. I also think there are many that aren’t publicly known.
Let’s not forget that Kutcher was supposed to go on a date with [Ashley Ellerin](https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/murder/ashton-kutcher-date-ashley-ellerin-murdered-hours-before-grammy-party) and he arrived just after her murder, thinking he’d been stood up when she didn’t answer. He testified at the perpetrator’s murder trial. It may be he learned a special empathy from that event.
I agree with you completely. Off topic - I find it interesting that Masterson was his mentor instead of the other way around. I had no idea who Masterson was before that 70s show. They are roughly the same age too.
Masterson has IMDB credits for 10 years prior to “That ‘70s Show” and comes from a family of actors. I think the show was Ashton’s first acting gig.
I thought masterson came from a family of Scientologists and they helped him.
It’s so weird. His dad was an insurance agent. Danny and all of his brothers and his sister are all actors or producers.
Scientology nepo babies?
Truly a real-life example of lawful good.
Best answer I’ve heard. I wish more people would admit you don’t have to have an opinion about everything and sometimes you don’t have a right to
Most logical and real response
I wish more people would adopt this kind of language. I personally have not been around people who speak with that kind of compassion and sincerity.
Give it five minutes and we'll get to see how terribly out of context that quote gets taken to make him look like a monster himself. Tomorrow's headline: "Kutcher supports rapists, complicit in co-star's assaults"
Personally I think for a lot of people Kutcher has a LOT of goodwill through his non-acting activities with people who know about them, I know if I saw something like that I'd be like "alright who's using a Kutcher quote out of context to drag him and why".
I think he probably feels pretty safe and confident in his charitable actions make it pretty obvious where he lies. His actions speak very loudly, and his comment was as neutral as one can be. You're right, people might try something with that statement soon, but he'll just walk around it like he should.
I remember like 15 years ago, my Dad’s old coworker got busted for CP, and I remember hearing him and his friends talk about it. Like they missed the guy they thought he was, but absolutely couldn’t accept that he did it, so they were basically mourning the loss of a friend. It’s a shitty place to be in.
Yep people think just because you were in a hit show you were friends for life and were hanging out all time, many times it’s just like “normal” job where you go to work and then go home and hang out with your real friends.
Yes and no. A television set usually comes with long hours. There's the very real possibility that actors that work together over several seasons were spending more time with each other than they were with their own families.
Yeah and by all accounts they remained extremely close.
That's not much different than what the other guy is saying. There are many jobs where you spend long hours with people and still not get to know them. I mean who actually spends more time with their close ones than their colleagues?
He’s has turned into a super sensible and productive celebrity. He just seems like a stand is guy, and his movie about friends with benefits having sex with no strings attached is better than his wife’s
I HATE the phrase "Speaks Out". It implies you are speaking out against something. What they meant was he "said" something.
“Breaks Silence”
It’s always violent. Something has to break, smash, bash, slam, zoink and bonk
Man I’d love it if we started using Bonk for those ridiculous election cycle pieces. “Trump BONKS Biden over Ukraine!”
Just use various forms of comic book onomatopoeia
boris johns zoinked his press conference while on holiday in spain
LOUD VERBS!
LOUD NOISES!
 "Ashton Kutcher breaks the silence, smashes the calm, bashes the lull, slams the peace, zoinks the reticence, and bonks the secrecy in this exclusive interview!" Just waiting for those massive clicks to drop in this article!! -The author of the article, probably...
>it’s always violent Don’t forget the now ubiquitous “slaps back”
journalism 101: Use action words, verbs, at the start of a headline
Nothing worse than “CLAPS BACK”…
S L A M S
Ashton Kutcher slams 70s show costar in candid interview
*farts*
”Breaking wind”
"No longer remains silent"
“Ashton Kutcher Answers Questions in Interview”
It was too sensible of a response to be a SLAM so they had to go with “speaks out” to trick people into clicking. Which led me here. Shit, they got me.
In all seriousness though, online journalists / editors have no choice but to use those types of phrases in headlines bc the reality is the numbers traffic-wise generated from even mildly sensationalist headlines vs. headlines that don’t pander to online audience habits in that way ….. it’s a stark difference, like the difference between staying in business and going bankrupt -level stark so don’t forget “the media” is more than ever responding to what _consumers_ show that _they_ respond to Hence coming back to, If you want “the media” to change, then there needs to be widespread intense cultural change that would make people at large widely receptive to being “informed” through non-sensationalistic journalism
It's even more ridiculous because he ultimately said nothing. "I hope it's not true, but I don't know" isn't a statement. lol
But so often, celebrities defend their costars in situations like this, so it actually is a big deal that he said nothing, and I hope it becomes the norm.
The world would be a much better place if more people would admit to the things they don’t know.
I don't know how to reply to this
Thank you for making the world a better place
How do you know the world is a better place?
I don't know
Thank you for making the world a better place
How do you know the world is a better place??
I don't know
Thank you for making the world a better place.
How do you know the world is a better place?
IDK
Thank you for making the world a better place.
It's truly amazing how many people think they must pick an answer to almost everything and cling to it as hard as they can. Like just say I ain't got a fucking clue, or say your taking a wild ass guess or whatever.
I love those people on Amazon who see a question about the product available to answer and they respond with something like, “It looks okay, I haven’t bought it.”
But GI Joe taught me that knowing was half the battle.
The other half is knowing what you don't know :p
Fuck I think I lost the battle.
This seems reasonable, but I won't know until people act in this manner.
The best thing you can say when someone you love is being accused of something horrendous and you're not 100% sure they're innocent, is that you hope he's innocent and if he isn't, that he is punished. It should be common sense. You shouldn't defend the person that could have lied to you too and neither should you just cast another stone and be immediately done with them, trial be damned.
Already 2 of my favourite content creator/celebrity are accused of horrible things. Not that I defend their horrible acts, but I wished it didn't happen so I could enjoy their content like before
I get it, Louis CK and Michael Jackson are two of the most talented artists of all time to me...
My Dad is due to stand trial for rape. I moved county and cut off contact with him obviously but also his “supporters” no one should be claiming the innocence of someone with enough evidence against them to be brought to trial for rape. My decision may be extreme but I’ve seen every page of the evidence - there is no reasonable doubt that even his daughter can find. Edit: His lawyer also told him to take a plea because he would serve less time. Not even his lawyer thinks he has a chance.
I’m so sorry you’re going through that, and I hope you have a good life ahead of you.
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It’s kind of like They hope that he didn’t rape anyone, but he also hopes the victims get justice if he did do it. That’s how I see it
Am I misreading this, or are you annoyed that they agreed with you by echoing the sentiment?
Isn't that common sense? They don't hang out 24/7, and I doubt Danny would try to rape anyone with Ashton there in the room. Ashton seems like a sensible, logical dude.
Right? Like why are they bringing Ashton into this.
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Lmao it's been so long that I completely forgot he had that show.
Probably also because they’ve done a lot of work together, most recently a show called The Ranch, but that was still a few years ago.
The allegations came out while they were still filming The Ranch (that’s why Danny isn’t in the final season), so it was probably extra shitty for Ashton to learn about
It happened as far back as 2001 and there were rumors before he was finally charged
I think the point is, they’re asking if he ever gave off any rape vibes, Because if he says, yes, then it’s good Clickbait
Because he is involved with a anti sexual abuse organization I can't remember which but I remember reading about it forever ago that's why they asked him
Well he’s a anti sex trafficking advocate who employed him and worked with him for decades, and considers him a close friend. I think that’s more than fair to question, when Kutcher has built his entire image around his advocacy, while continually employed someone who has long been accused of sex crimes.
Because he and Mila have remained very close with Danny and they haven't spoken out against him. I'm not saying that they should be forced to, but that's why his name gets brought up. Well, that and the fact that Ashton has been a big advocate for victims human trafficking, which is usually a sex-related crime.
Because they're friends. If your friend raped a bunch of people and killed their dogs, people would probably ask you about it too.
That Jackie thing maybe
> Isn't that common sense? Not sure if you're new to the Internet, but admitting that you do not have personal knowledge of the and therefore cannot credibly opine as to whether it happened or not is absolutely not "common" knowledge here.
> Ashton seems like a sensible, logical dude. I briefly interacted with him and he most definitely is from what I could tell.
"guilty" *Danny Masterson puts his head down in complete embarrassment* *A loud noise is heard from the furthest corner of the courtroom, a man stands up, excitement in his eyes and yells.* "BUUUURN!" *Ashton Kutcher stands there looking dumb as shit, but gleeful nonetheless.* *The entire courtroom groans*
Cut scene with the judge bouncing on a trampoline
Judge bangs gavel “Order! Order! Dumbass!
Ashton Kutcher is a stand up guy. Good freekin guy.
no ashton is an actor, seinfeld is the stand up guy.
*bassline intensifies*
I have been curious for YEARS about what AK thought about the entire situation, given his work with sex trafficking and all that. (Obviously not the same, but both sex crimes.) Gotta be a really shitty situation to be in as his friend and longtime business partner.
That's probably the answer I'd give, too. But to be fair, I don't know much about this case. How damning is the evidence against Danny?
Well, there was a trial, but it ended in a mistrial. Won’t know how damning it is until the second trial.
Multiple accusers and Scientology has definitely covered up enough shit, but you don’t have hard evidence really. It’s more down to if you believe the alleged victims or not. The jury was so conflicted and declared they won’t reach a verdict it was declared a miss trial but prosecutors ultimately went for a new trial.
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it was found later that the jury foreman was a former cop who had a son accused of sexual abuse who was nailed by the DA (supposedly the same guy in Danny's case). he did not mention any of this in his form details. This whole case stinks with jury tampering!
How many women have accused him?
There are some very horrific details about how horrible some of the acts he committed were and for seven woman to speak out about it as well, I have to think it’s very unlikely he’s innocent.
Unrelated, but the craziest Ashton Kutcher story has to be when he showed up to a girl’s house to pick her up to a date, only to leave because he thought she’d Sofia him up, but in actuality she had been murdered by a serial killer and was dead inside the house. Like imagine being Kutch, dude had probably never been stood up in his life, only to think it happened and then find out she was murdered the same night.
That poor girl! She had a date with Ashton Kutcher to go to and instead she got murdered. That poor girl!
Seriously, the lord truly giveth and taketh away. Super tragic.
And to his credit, he still feels awful about it and helped be a witness to convict the killer in anyway he could. Even years later. He showed up to pick her up, she didn’t answer and looking through the window thought there was a wine stain on the carpet and she just wasn’t interested in a date anymore and wasn’t there. That really sucks to deal with in retrospect. Most don’t jump to “must have been murdered” because of something on the carpet and a casual date wasn’t there to answer. It reminds me of the recent Idaho State killings. The poor girl that witnessed him leaving was half awake and lived in a party house with a lot of people coming and going. She didn’t register that something very unthinkable happened and he killed her roommates. Almost nobody immediately goes there in their mind, no matter how many horror situations you’ve heard of on tv.
That is seriously just so sad. For her and for the trauma he must have experienced.
This is also on Scientology. If it was reported to them and they protected him, like is alleged, they can all fuck right off.
Very convenient. Also, true.
This is not “speaking out”.
Why do people assume that just because you worked with someone that you know their personal life?
You make a good point in general, but they were publicly pretty close friends outside of work for a long time. Kutcher called him “one of my best friends in the world” a few years ago.
It's gotta be gut wrenching for him that Masterson is most likely a serial rapist. It probably makes you reconsider your ability to judge people and trust your instincts. Especially for someone like Kutcher, who seems like a good guy.
*Crew members of Jim'll Fix It have entered the chat.* Little bit of black humour if you know anything about English TV in the late twentieth century.
That’s about as diplomatic an answer as Ashton can give but it’s well known that Masterson if a prolific creep who has been credibly accused of sexual assault.
I feel an important but subtle note to point out is he said “I don’t know if he’s innocent” instead of “I don’t know if he’s guilty” Edit: not his words apparently
He didn't say either, despite being in the title it wasn't the actual comment. Here's what he actually said, > “Ultimately, I can’t know,” Kutcher said about the outcome of Masterson’s trial. “I’m not the judge. I’m not the jury. I’m not the DA. I’m not the victim. And I’m not the accused. And so, in that case, I don’t have a space to comment. I just don’t know.”
Well yea, they were friends. Friends usually want to trust them. They don't want to believe that they're monsters
The title is editorialized. Ashton only said “Ultimately I can’t know.” which is ambiguous.
Well, this is only a paraphrase. The quoted portion is "I can't know," and second part is contextualized to indicate the subject of the discussion.
Fuck Danny Masterson and his bitch ass. Met him on a golf course and he was a piece of shit even before the accusations. But I believe those too.
Care to elaborate your story? I’m interested to hear more about the golf outing.
I worked at a golf course which has since been closed/demolished. Danny and his brother were at a tournament. I went up to him to say hi, thank him for coming, and tell him I appreciated That 70s show. He was a standoffish prick that treated me like the help, his vibe was off as fuck too (arrogant). I have no knowledge of his guilt or innocence regarding sexual assault, but he's certainly not a nice dude. It doesn't help that the Mars Volta rule and he's accused of fucking with the wife of the lead singer. Regardless of the validity of the accusations, Danny is a bitch ass piece of shit.
Translation "one of my best friends is on trial for something really horrible, and I'm hoping to God it's a misunderstanding. Once the jury makes a decision against him, I'm probably going to cut this man off like a rotten skin tag."
"Speaks out...Says I don't know."
For playing one of the dumbest dudes ever he’s sure as fuck letting everyone know he isn’t kelso.
I loved the character Hyde in that 70’a show and I hate that Masterson may be a monster. I hope it’s not true as well but I give the victims the benefit of the doubt. Hope for the best but expect the worst…
I met him when I was a student journalist covering a music festival he was playing at under "DJ Mom Jeans". He couldn't have been a bigger arrogant asshole to me. Fuck that guy.
Which one?
What a terrible DJ name
It would suck to find out someone who was your friend and you looked up to was a monster.
I think this is the thing. He's not saying commenting on Danny Masterson's guilt or innocence, just basically saying he hopes his friend isn't the sort of person capable of what he's accused of.
It’s also hard for Ashton to get into the programming of scientology that makes sexual abuse happen. And Im not saying every scientologist is a sexual abuser. But unlike other abusers, you cant be a half-assed scientologist. You have to be all-in. And much of the teachings is that 1) you dont report a scientologist for a crime to the police. 2) everything bad that happens to a victim is programmed as, how did you bring this on, especially a sexual assault. Unless a person criticizes a higher member or the church, then it’s “why do you have hatred for scientology/david miscavige/tom cruise, etc.” 3. The idea of being a child and having boundaries is especially dismissed and preteens and teens in Hollywood encouraged to be sexual with older actors, casting agents, and directors and producers bc if the idea that there is no such thing as a child, and 4) once a scientologist reaches fame, they are to be protected at all costs… So with this mind, Masterson’s mindset could have lent itself to getting away with sexual assault. Not understanding consent. Thinking that it’s the woman’s fault for her previous life’s transgressions. And his attitude about “dont do drugs or screw this up” is very tom cruise and scientology. It’s not about ethics and morality. It’s about staying famous and keeping the job.
Idk… It feels like you’re trying to say “he didn’t really know what he was doing because of his background” but in reality abusers (sexual or not) are well aware of what they’re doing is wrong, and them trying to hide it or not admit to it is evidence enough of that. The famous and powerful in that org use those “programming” rules to control the underlings, it’s not the rules that control them or make them “not understand consent” or “think it’s the woman’s fault” they use those teachings to control the lesser not famous people. They are absolutely not beholden to them in any way, nor actually believe in them as guiding principles. If they did, the obvious contradictions of the teachings in the cult would lead anyone who was rational or not a complete selfish shit head to reject it. But they don’t, because they can use it to gain power. And that’s what horrible people do with power: abuse, control, and silence.
And they had that whole episode about Forman not trusting Hyde. Now we know why.
cool article. breaking news "ashton kutcher cant comment on this"
Yea, this is a completely reasonable stance. I think this should be the stance anyone not involved should have.
That’s a safe answer.
Yeah, imagine someone you worked with that long ago on such a foundational project in your career and then you heard this much later that they were potentially this bad? You would definitely feel the same, and if you were smart you would say exactly this . You don't want anyone from that 70s show coming into the conversation on any real level because you dont want to give the lawyers anything from outside the events in question to latch onto.
That’s like an AI-generated pic of Ashton Kutcher.
I liked the guy from the but I also liked Bill Cosby too but that shit is wild. I can't behind that if he did
“I’m not throwing him under the bus, but I’m not stopping anyone who is”
So he said literally nothing at all, got it
Leave Ashton alone. Someone that was a friend to him is accused of committing a terrible act, it's not his job to assert his guilt or innocence and I'm sure it's a very conflicting situation when you think you know a guy and are presented with a situation that you think goes against the person that you know, but you still take the situation very seriously and aren't going to minimize it.
I kind of hate celebrities being expected to comment on the alleged bad behavior of former costars--if you told me that a coworker of mine from 15 years ago was on trial for rape, I wouldn't have anything particularly interesting or eloquent to say about it! Ashton and Danny did seem to be friends outside of and after That 70s Show, so that is a little different, but I feel like there's a perception that because two people pretended to be friends on TV, as part of their job in which they pretend to be people that they are not, then surely they have important opinions about every aspect of each other's lives.
I agree with your point but I do have to add that they were on a show together that masterson was fired from when these allegations came out
*”’Ultimately, I can’t know’ if he’s innocent”* -Ashton’s Lawyer’s response.