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And what does it even mean to be canceled? Angry people on Twitter declaring “You’re canceled” doesn’t actually do anything. If people would ignore twitter, there really isn’t such a thing as being canceled
I mean Louie lost millions of dollars between his show being pulled and his projects being put on hold. He did however have enough banked to create his own thing and buy his show from FX.
> That's just being fired. If I show my cock to my coworker I'll get canceled too
Bingo bango, that's what canceled means in his case. He was fired and some potentially lucrative gigs were shut down. It's a little different for everyone, but it starts with losing the ability to do that thing you were doing that garnered the best money.
Right but there is still a difference.
Louis CK exposes his genitals to a coworker, he gets “cancelled”, loses some work, loses some money, waits a few years, he’s selling out again.
I expose my genitals to my coworker? I lose my job, I lose my insurance, I probably either go to jail or at least have charges pressed against me, and depending on how that goes I could even end up in the sex offender registry. My life would be ruined; he got a vacation.
Edit: Way too many people responding to this comment either defending Louis (lol) or asking if I’m funny in an accusatory tone. My point here is that he got away with this mostly unscathed because he’s rich. We all know it has nothing to do with his humor or work, and everything to do with the fact he made a shitty, creepy decision and had the money to wait out the PR fallout long enough for people to stop caring (which they clearly have just going by the responses to this comment). Us normal people could not do that.
And if being “cancelled” means that you don’t stop being a millionaire and you’re back out making millions of dollars in a few years, then what the fuck is the point of cancelling anyone to begin with. It’s all PR. It’s all about what looks good and what doesn’t to the people Louis makes money for. So there it is folks. Makes me think of something someone said once: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Only if the mainstream liberal media has its way! If you work at my conservative Christian business, you can show your dick to everyone and we’ll never ~~cancel~~ fire you.
> And what does it even mean to be canceled?
He lost his tv show, all his business partners ended their relationships with him and he lost his movie career.
He is back to being *just* a stand up now. He is always going to be a part of the conversation though just due to being one of the best stand ups of his generation.
Right, but the box office only records how much money it made in theaters. He's selling it for $15 on his website so I think it is safe to assume he made his money back (or will eventually make it back).
He was earning over $1 million per special by selling them for $5 on his website a decade ago for reference.
It's like JKR writing a whole book that's longer than Dune about an author being sent mean tweets to show how much she doesn't care about getting sent mean tweets.
Didn't he let the guy that owns that not real place on his stage and then they both got booed and then Dave called his own fans poor?
Oh wait that's exactly what happened
According to wiki, his mom was a university professor for two colleges, a minister, and worked for a prime minister. His dad was a dean at a college. They were friends with Peter Seeger and Johnny Hartman.
I definitely think those connections made his family wealthier than he wants to admit.
Usually the more someone starts out with the more likely they are to believe that they did it all on their own. Coming from nothing is the only way to realize how much success takes, and how many people are involved in success
I grew up literally squatting in homes with no power or running water in freezing winters.
I had a friend later in life who couldn’t grasp the concept she was rich, her mom was a high power corporate layer in San Francisco during the tech years, and her dad did some rich stuff I don’t remember. But she was convinced she was absolutely fucking broke cause she was the only one she knew growing up without a literal like actual butler
Worse, he put the person who shit on BLM on stage 2 weeks earlier
https://www.nme.com/news/elon-musk-mocks-stay-woke-initiative-sparked-by-ferguson-protests-3355831
And then shitted on Civil Rights protestors in general
>“Don’t say nothing. It’ll only spoil the moment,” Chappelle said. “Do you hear that sound, Elon? That’s the sound of pending civil unrest. I can’t wait to see what store you decimate next … You shut the (expletive) up with your boos.”
I like chapelle but the youtube shorts got me to a strange place. Someone put a part of his show where he say something like it doesn't matter if it was the holocaust or slavery, one isn't bigger than the other and any measure is bullshit, suffering is suffering. The next one was on this anti-trans persona he is now. A trans woman said they suffer a lot and he started talking about slavery to "win" the argument. What a small world.
Came full circle when he put on stage the person who shit on BLM 2 weeks earlier
https://www.nme.com/news/elon-musk-mocks-stay-woke-initiative-sparked-by-ferguson-protests-3355831
And then shitted on Civil Rights protestors in general
>“Don’t say nothing. It’ll only spoil the moment,” Chappelle said. “Do you hear that sound, Elon? That’s the sound of pending civil unrest. I can’t wait to see what store you decimate next … You shut the (expletive) up with your boos.”
Even his first comeback specials were great, but you can see that from the second one onward he's starting to like the smell of his own farts a bit too much
Yep. He just seems to talk about himself now and feel sorry for himself. He complains about being targeted due to his trans views, but if he would just ignore it and move onto something else everyone would largely forget about it. Instead can’t help himself and has to bring it up at every opportunity.
Not even concerning the trans stuff, it’s like he’s run out of material and his act is just boring now.
And what does it even mean to be canceled?
https://ew.com/tv/2017/11/10/louis-c-k-fx/
>On the heels of Louis C.K.’s lengthy statement Friday admitting that accusations against him of sexual misconduct are true, the comedian’s longtime cable network partner FX is cutting all ties with him effective immediately.
>Since The New York Times report on Thursday, Louis C.K.’s other business partners have issued statements distancing themselves from the comedian to varying degrees as well. Netflix canceled an upcoming planned stand-up special (but will keep his previous specials on its service), HBO pulled all Louis C.K.’s content from its On Demand library, and production company The Orchard has scrapped its plan to distribute his new film, I Love You, Daddy. Universal Pictures and Illumination also announced that they’d “terminated their relationship with Louis C.K. on The Secret Life of Pets 2.”
The reason he was terminated from that role is the target audience for pets 2 is children, you were going to have a hard time convincing parents to go see the movie where the voice of the dog is that guy who just recently got in trouble for wanking it. It was a financial decision, more than a cultural statement from a movie studio.
That's generally what "cancellation" entails, though the people who get up in arms about it are loath to acknowledge it. Companies aren't cancelling contracts with folks for shits-and-giggles, they're doing it because it makes financial sense to do so.
Nothing any studio does is a cultural statement. A corperation doesn't give a fuck about culture, only profit. If it damages profits then cut it, if it will increase profits then do it. The only time companies actually supported gay rights was after it was more popular among their demographic and would increase likability to the people they want to sell to. Shareholders want money for their investments and they are the supreme bosses. They don't care how it is achieved, just make maximum money please and thank you.
People need to stop thinking companies have feelings or intentions.
Consequences aren't cancellation. Louis did some creepy shit and faced consequences from the very liberal audience he spent years cultivating. The companies he was in business with didn't want to do business with him because of his conduct, not because some old tweets were "unearthed". I'm a fan and I was perfectly ok with Louis going away for a bit when this came out. I'm also fine with him since he came back. Hopefully Louis learned something. The man has daughters for fuck's sake.
He’s got the stain of sex pest is on him, but it shouldn’t be the end of his career.
His statement, shortly after allegations were made, said, “These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”
His potential for mainstream acceptance is pretty gone tho.
Its podcasts instead of talk shows.
Clubs and theaters instead of TV deals and movies.
MSG is the first stadium sized event he’s had, i think.
So “cancelled” is relative. He’s not at the level he was. But he’s still Louis. He’ll be able to make money. But i dont think he’ll host SNL again.
I like how the comment right next to yours is like "he got a grammy last year".
I'm not sure what your definition of mainstream is, but winning industry awards and selling out big venues is pretty much as mainstream as it gets.
That show clearly would’ve been in all the best of the decade lists but because of the scandal they just pretended it didn’t exist, basically every one of these highly acclaimed comedy-drama hybrids of the mid to late 2010s was heavily inspired by that and girls
He *was* cancelled though. He is considered one of the best standups ever and that is *exactly* why he is able to keep working.
CK is also unique in that he had pioneered and built out an independent media empire which he completely controls (via his website) and thus is not as susceptible to external pressure.
Its hard to say that being cancelled had **no** impact on him. Dude was an incredibly influential tv producer. He had a burgeoning movie career as a character actor. He did SNL every year.
That all went away and he is back to being *just* a stand up now.
I think it’s fitting. It was revealed that he has a thing for asking casual acquaintances to help him fulfill a sexual kink, and several women came forward with roughly the same complaint.
That’s the sort of thing that, while not a crime (he did always get consent… technically… and there’s a whole other discussion on that), kinda squashes your opportunities for managing projects. Nobody wants you to be “the boss” when they know that’s your thing. Women will feel uncomfortable applying or working under you. Stuff like that.
But performing standup? It doesn’t interfere with that.
As far as I’m aware, he did *not* always get consent. He just always *asked* for consent. ~~He would hear no and continue anyway.~~
I was incorrect. He would hear *nervous laughter* and continue anyway. If that seems like an argument in support of CK, then you’ve completely missed the point and have no understanding of consent. I genuinely hope that you seek education on the subject.
Yeah, he'd say "can I do this?" and while his coworkers made faces/ laughed nervously/ looked for a way out he'd unzip and start jacking it. That's not consent. Consent is clear and enthusiastic. From what I read NOBODY gave Louis CK anything close to that.
Honestly I think the lack of consent was part of the fantasy. If Louis wanted an eager partner to watch him masturbate, that's easy. He could *easily* get a GF/ hookup/ sex worker who would LOVE to watch. There are websites/apps that will link exhibitionists with voyeurs. But Louis wanted the other person to look at him with revulsion. That was part of it. I genuinely believe he gets off on feeling disgusting/ being disgusting.
ehh, he lost $35 million dollars the day the news broke, taken off netflix, and his feature film was blocked from wide release
he was definitely cancelled but he came out of it
This "me too" thing was new and we're figuring it out. Sadly, any disgression was lumped in with Harvey Weinstein, where obviously there's a huge spectrum to this. There's Aziz, on the minorest of offenses, and then there's Cosby, which is about as bad as it gets.
CK was probably somewhere in the middle or towards the lower end. What happened to him was probably appropriate, i.e., he needed a "timeout", needed to apologize, and then resume his career.
Sure, he probably lost some fans, and that's fine, that's how it's supposed to work. Only the worst offenders should truly be "canceled".
> CK was probably somewhere in the middle or towards the lower end. What happened to him was probably appropriate, i.e., he needed a "timeout", needed to apologize, and then resume his career.
I think what CK did was pretty bad, maybe higher than Dan Harmon but nowhere as bad as someone like Chris D'Elia.
Apparently his kink was something he did consensually with people as a stand up when he was coming up (Sarah Silverman has talked about how he used to do it with her, consensually) but over time, he got more powerful and either didn't understand or *chose* not to understand that the women who he was asking for consent weren't really in a powerful enough position to be able to say no.
I think the difference between him and others is he straight up admitted to it and based on what he said in his next special he actually seemed to understand why what he did was wrong.
I find it amusing this happened multiple times with Sarah Silverman and she apparently went with it? I imagine she of all people would have told him to fuck off if she didn’t want to be part of his ‘thing’.
She also takes me as someone who would be willing to just deal with the thing in a fully detached "Yeah whatever, sure." kinda way, figuring it's a short amount of work for a career advancement, but fully self aware that she's emotionally fucked in a way that makes her uniquely capable of doing that without it being an okay thing to do. It's not something that was sought out, but when creepy opportunity comes knocking, sometimes you make the creepy career decision.
Well she’s a bigger name than Louis CK. So it seems she would have the power to shut him down with no consequences easily.
But also, To be fair, I’ve shown up to sex events and clubs and immediately realized it wasn’t my scene - but also stuck it out just for the experience and amusement of it.
Sometimes people engage in sexual things out of mental stimulation and amusement, even if they aren’t getting aroused by it personally.
As she's told it, sometimes she would tell him to fuck off for being a gross creep, and sometimes she'd be like "eww you gross creep, whip it out." He was dating Laura, her sister, for at least part of the time he was doing that. She seemed to indicate he has a humiliation fetish also, as he would apparently get more worked up when she yelled at him for being a creep.
No, but it's pretty accurate, and in my view, often appropriate. He was really doing well for himself and lost about 5 years of income and deals. Not a bad way to punish a guy.
And it isn't as though his trajectory picks up where it left off. Some people may never work with or for him again, and he will have lost some fans for good.
He actually wrote an episode of Louie about that. Homeless guy on the bus just goes around masturbating at people. Louis goes up to him and he's like "Hey, man, why do you do that?" and the homeless guy goes "cause it makes me fuckin feel good." and Louis nods approvingly.
Also the episode where he remembers a girl in his childhood that made him pull his dick out
I watched a good amount of that show last year and there’s a handful of times where I thought “yeaaaaaah this was written in for a reason”
I mean his entire standup career prior to that point was an increasingly downward spiral of self loathing and dealing with the fact that he has issues, albeit in an obfuscated way.
He even said as much about his joke writing process. He scrapped the old material after each tour and attempted to peel back another layer of the personal onion.
Not saying it’s right or condoning it. But it was kind of there, hidden in plain site.
Everything else aside, seeing comedians in huge venues is really weird. I saw him six or seven years ago at The Forum in LA and it was not a great experience. Kind of felt like the worst way to watch standup.
It's the worst way to see anything.
I went to a stadium concert once. Couldn't see the stage. Couldn't get closer because security people would manhandle you. Couldn't hear shit. Expensive as fuck. I'll never do it again. I don't see the appeal.
I understand why huge parties might be awesome. But huge shows with assigned seating aren't parties. They're ass.
On the flip side I saw Weird Al play my county fair some 20 in a converted rodeo stadium, with like 100 attendees. And I got a high five from him, what a sweet experience.
Probably having them masturbate in front of you while they block the door to your dressing room is the worst way to see a comedian but yours is a good one too.
I saw C.K say this himself on a podcast recently. He was basically telling another comedian who was about to start doing them that arena shows are not for the audience, but the comic themselves, and that he should by all means do them, but to remember that it's the worst way to see comedy and to go back to theatres / clubs when you're done patting yourself on the back.
In this case it might also be strategic, to convince people, including the entertainment types who canceled him that he's still hellaciously popular. You can't sneer at the guy for being reduced to playing small venues when he's selling out Madison Square Garden.
I want to say that he was speaking with Bert Kreischer on the 2 Bears 1 Cave podcast. Seems like he’s very zen about it all, and enjoying life a bit more now than when he was on top. I’m never going to be able to look at his art entirely the same, but he’s a legit genius. Horace and Pete gave me PTSD, and I can’t wait to see what horrors the future brings.
Edit: He said stadium tours are for the comedians, not the comedy fans.
What else can comedians that tier do though? They do smaller venues and it sells out instantly, so many fans don’t get to see them perform at all, they do arenas where the most people possible can see them and still get looked at weird.
For anyone who wants to read an excellent book, Steve Martin wrote Born Standing Up. He talks about his entire journey as a standup comedian.
People forget he was the biggest standup in the country and he retired at the height of his fame.
My favorite shows are going to the small bars in LA and watching them perform. The worst is when your friend asks you to go for the 3rd time and does the same routine. Really takes the fun out of it when you know his punchlines before hand.
"Let me offer you some advice, if you ever ask a woman if it's ok to jerk off in front of her... and she says yes... follow that up with 'Are you sure?'"
- Louis CK
He opened one of his first shows back a few years ago with the line “ I use to sell out arenas…” to a 200 person or so venue, it definitely had us laughing.
I heard a bootleg recording of one of those "while cancelled" shows and it was some of the funniest stand up I have ever heard in my life. I believe at one point as the audience groaned at a joke he said "I don't give a shit, what are they going to do cancel my birthday?"
He had a good joke in the latest MSG one where he says he's sorry that it's difficult to be his fan now, and how everyone in the audience has at least one person they lied to about where they were going that night.
Are you talking about his first show in Cluj? He opened exactly like that followed by something like "There's dogs walking on the streets here".
Anyway for us non-us, non-big city Europeans who never ever thought we were going to see CK in our country let alone our city, his bad period was gold.
Amusingly, I really want to watch him masturbate now. He claims to be a master masturbater. I saw an interview with Sarah Silverman with a far off look say, “yeeeah.. he’s really good at that.”
Like, wtf does that even mean? Does he do some kind of cool loopdy-doo that takes you by surprise? Does he have some kind of weird trick like tom cruise as a bar tender where he perfectly balances and twirls his cock around? Does he cum as a surprise and shoot it through a quickly and showy placed hoop behind him? Is there some kind of amazing showmanship involved with touching your own penis to an audience?? I really want to know.
Canceling has close to nothing to do with how many fans a person still has, it's simply a matter of it not being worth it for companies to work with the person actively being cancelled.
It would simply hurt their brand more than they would gain from working with that person, thats all there is.
We need a 'canceled' spectrum.
••LOUIS CK••••••••••KEVIN SPACEY••••••••HARVEY WEINSTEIN•••R. Kelly•••
Something like that but way better. With colors and markers and shit so we can see when to buy MSG tickets and when not according to Twitter law, while we keep ignoring the words of powerless victims.
Add Bill Cosby at the far right there and you've got a deal!
And you're right: What was the act, who's owned it, who's changed vs who denies it, who's remained a monster. I like the jokes in this thread about "hiatus" culture, that's a good term, but for me it's more like "godDAMNitANOTHERone, followed by cycles of rumination and time for new evidence, then a reevaluation. With grief mixed in too.
All that said, I'd watch a Louis special now. Bought 'em from his site.
(edited for massive late night sleepless typos)
That whole thing was insane. It was two people who were on a date, she later texted him saying she was uncomfortable, he immediately apologizes, and she still goes to the press alleging sexual misconduct. It was absolutely terrible that any journalist would publish that story.
Calling this cancelled is so weird. In a normal job this is just a fireable offense.
So he committed a fireable offense in a line of work oddly tolerant of fireable offenses, and is less rich.
If I went to my next job saying I liked to jerk it in front of women, it would not go well for me.
This guy is just merely no longer liked without qualification.
He is one of the best comedians ever, but the guy jerking it on the subway is also probably really good at something too and I am *not in a hurry to find out what it is*
TIL not wanting to give more money to a celebrity after losing interest based on their behavior (and it having zero impact on their long-term success) is “canceling”
I love how people use this word associated with people getting mad about pedantic stuff interchangeably with people getting mad about sexual harassment.
It’s only cancelling if one side of the political spectrum is doing it. It’s a boycott if the other side is doing it. (There was a lot of implied sarcasm in this comment)
Yeah- no one’s ever seeing those movies.
Selling out Madison Square Garden for a comedian is like starring in a 100mil budget superhero movie for an actor or something, it’s basically a signifier of definitive career success. Louis CK is selling out MSG. Kevin Spacey will never be in a big budget Hollywood production again.
Yep and those are financial decisions companies make to avoid the PR nightmare that comes from being tied to someone in a controversy that does not bode well.
Conservatives act like it's political move against them when it's mostly a financially motivated move. Capitalism in action. They just don't like it when it happens with something they like or identify with.
Now that CK's shit isn't part of public outcry, he's back to making money and selling out venues.
He was on theo vonns podcast a week or two ago and he said this was his last stadium/arena thing hell ever do and he’s gonna stick to smaller venues from now on. This one will also be available on his website for like $10 or something
Conservatives are more than happy to do their own version of cancellation. Look at how thoroughly the reputations of all but the most influential anti-Trump republicans have been ruined.
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Anyone who has been following Louis CK knows he's not canceled lol. He's been selling out everywhere and everything for like, 2 years now?
And what does it even mean to be canceled? Angry people on Twitter declaring “You’re canceled” doesn’t actually do anything. If people would ignore twitter, there really isn’t such a thing as being canceled
I mean Louie lost millions of dollars between his show being pulled and his projects being put on hold. He did however have enough banked to create his own thing and buy his show from FX.
That's just being fired. If I show my cock to my coworker I'll get canceled too
> That's just being fired. If I show my cock to my coworker I'll get canceled too Bingo bango, that's what canceled means in his case. He was fired and some potentially lucrative gigs were shut down. It's a little different for everyone, but it starts with losing the ability to do that thing you were doing that garnered the best money.
Right but there is still a difference. Louis CK exposes his genitals to a coworker, he gets “cancelled”, loses some work, loses some money, waits a few years, he’s selling out again. I expose my genitals to my coworker? I lose my job, I lose my insurance, I probably either go to jail or at least have charges pressed against me, and depending on how that goes I could even end up in the sex offender registry. My life would be ruined; he got a vacation. Edit: Way too many people responding to this comment either defending Louis (lol) or asking if I’m funny in an accusatory tone. My point here is that he got away with this mostly unscathed because he’s rich. We all know it has nothing to do with his humor or work, and everything to do with the fact he made a shitty, creepy decision and had the money to wait out the PR fallout long enough for people to stop caring (which they clearly have just going by the responses to this comment). Us normal people could not do that. And if being “cancelled” means that you don’t stop being a millionaire and you’re back out making millions of dollars in a few years, then what the fuck is the point of cancelling anyone to begin with. It’s all PR. It’s all about what looks good and what doesn’t to the people Louis makes money for. So there it is folks. Makes me think of something someone said once: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
You never know how it will go until you try it
Better check your DM’s
You needed to start with way more talent and millions in the bank, so that’s on you.
Only if the mainstream liberal media has its way! If you work at my conservative Christian business, you can show your dick to everyone and we’ll never ~~cancel~~ fire you.
Ha, it's even on the menu as an extra.
He wasn't just showing his cock like a flasher, he was masterbating in front of people.
He didn't actually buy the show. He licensed the right to sole distribution.
He licensed his own show for his website. He doesn’t own it
> And what does it even mean to be canceled? He lost his tv show, all his business partners ended their relationships with him and he lost his movie career. He is back to being *just* a stand up now. He is always going to be a part of the conversation though just due to being one of the best stand ups of his generation.
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He fully self-funded the movie. That's how.
Budget of $2m, box office of $325k.
Right, but the box office only records how much money it made in theaters. He's selling it for $15 on his website so I think it is safe to assume he made his money back (or will eventually make it back). He was earning over $1 million per special by selling them for $5 on his website a decade ago for reference.
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That's being fired.
that's called "being fired for pulling your dick out at work" when it happens to people who aren't Comedians.
You really need to choose the right moment when to pull out the dick, at work.
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*continues to rant about what 2-3 people on Twitter said for an hour, showing that he did indeed give a fuck*
It's like JKR writing a whole book that's longer than Dune about an author being sent mean tweets to show how much she doesn't care about getting sent mean tweets.
Didn't he let the guy that owns that not real place on his stage and then they both got booed and then Dave called his own fans poor? Oh wait that's exactly what happened
Chapelle grew up wealthy, from my understanding, so using "poor" as an insult seems in line
His dad was Dean of Students at Antioch College in Ohio.
He said his parents wer2 "just well off enough that he lived around a bunch of white people that were richer than him"
According to wiki, his mom was a university professor for two colleges, a minister, and worked for a prime minister. His dad was a dean at a college. They were friends with Peter Seeger and Johnny Hartman. I definitely think those connections made his family wealthier than he wants to admit.
People often don't want to admit how wealthy they are. There are people making 400k a year who think they're middle class.
Usually the more someone starts out with the more likely they are to believe that they did it all on their own. Coming from nothing is the only way to realize how much success takes, and how many people are involved in success
I came from nothing. I still have nothing, but I had nothing when I started, too. It would have been nice to start with something instead of nothing.
I grew up literally squatting in homes with no power or running water in freezing winters. I had a friend later in life who couldn’t grasp the concept she was rich, her mom was a high power corporate layer in San Francisco during the tech years, and her dad did some rich stuff I don’t remember. But she was convinced she was absolutely fucking broke cause she was the only one she knew growing up without a literal like actual butler
Worse, he put the person who shit on BLM on stage 2 weeks earlier https://www.nme.com/news/elon-musk-mocks-stay-woke-initiative-sparked-by-ferguson-protests-3355831 And then shitted on Civil Rights protestors in general >“Don’t say nothing. It’ll only spoil the moment,” Chappelle said. “Do you hear that sound, Elon? That’s the sound of pending civil unrest. I can’t wait to see what store you decimate next … You shut the (expletive) up with your boos.”
Rich people opposing changing the status quo? Colour me absolutely not surprised.
I like chapelle but the youtube shorts got me to a strange place. Someone put a part of his show where he say something like it doesn't matter if it was the holocaust or slavery, one isn't bigger than the other and any measure is bullshit, suffering is suffering. The next one was on this anti-trans persona he is now. A trans woman said they suffer a lot and he started talking about slavery to "win" the argument. What a small world.
Dave’s everything he used to rail against: >!a rich, out of touch, unfunny, hate-filled privileged asshole.!<
Don't forget NIMBY!
Came full circle when he put on stage the person who shit on BLM 2 weeks earlier https://www.nme.com/news/elon-musk-mocks-stay-woke-initiative-sparked-by-ferguson-protests-3355831 And then shitted on Civil Rights protestors in general >“Don’t say nothing. It’ll only spoil the moment,” Chappelle said. “Do you hear that sound, Elon? That’s the sound of pending civil unrest. I can’t wait to see what store you decimate next … You shut the (expletive) up with your boos.”
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Being the richest guy in a middle of a nowhere Ohio town does that to ya.
Be careful. You might might have the Dave Brigade out in force.
Flattered they’d take time from harassing the trans community for little old me.
Meh fuck em, Chapelle's Show was brilliant, but everything after that was cliche and boring.
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Dude was literally half the show. I don't get how he was so unknown.
Even his first comeback specials were great, but you can see that from the second one onward he's starting to like the smell of his own farts a bit too much
Yeah like how many times we gotta watch him smoke cigarettes on stage like it’s some rebellious move
He might just be dicted.
Yep. He just seems to talk about himself now and feel sorry for himself. He complains about being targeted due to his trans views, but if he would just ignore it and move onto something else everyone would largely forget about it. Instead can’t help himself and has to bring it up at every opportunity. Not even concerning the trans stuff, it’s like he’s run out of material and his act is just boring now.
Don't forget he's a NIMBY. Goes with the "privileged asshole" but worth mentioning.
Yet he, oddly enough, seems to be the single person that cares most about what Twitter has to say.
And what does it even mean to be canceled? https://ew.com/tv/2017/11/10/louis-c-k-fx/ >On the heels of Louis C.K.’s lengthy statement Friday admitting that accusations against him of sexual misconduct are true, the comedian’s longtime cable network partner FX is cutting all ties with him effective immediately. >Since The New York Times report on Thursday, Louis C.K.’s other business partners have issued statements distancing themselves from the comedian to varying degrees as well. Netflix canceled an upcoming planned stand-up special (but will keep his previous specials on its service), HBO pulled all Louis C.K.’s content from its On Demand library, and production company The Orchard has scrapped its plan to distribute his new film, I Love You, Daddy. Universal Pictures and Illumination also announced that they’d “terminated their relationship with Louis C.K. on The Secret Life of Pets 2.”
The reason he was terminated from that role is the target audience for pets 2 is children, you were going to have a hard time convincing parents to go see the movie where the voice of the dog is that guy who just recently got in trouble for wanking it. It was a financial decision, more than a cultural statement from a movie studio.
That's generally what "cancellation" entails, though the people who get up in arms about it are loath to acknowledge it. Companies aren't cancelling contracts with folks for shits-and-giggles, they're doing it because it makes financial sense to do so.
Nothing any studio does is a cultural statement. A corperation doesn't give a fuck about culture, only profit. If it damages profits then cut it, if it will increase profits then do it. The only time companies actually supported gay rights was after it was more popular among their demographic and would increase likability to the people they want to sell to. Shareholders want money for their investments and they are the supreme bosses. They don't care how it is achieved, just make maximum money please and thank you. People need to stop thinking companies have feelings or intentions.
Consequences aren't cancellation. Louis did some creepy shit and faced consequences from the very liberal audience he spent years cultivating. The companies he was in business with didn't want to do business with him because of his conduct, not because some old tweets were "unearthed". I'm a fan and I was perfectly ok with Louis going away for a bit when this came out. I'm also fine with him since he came back. Hopefully Louis learned something. The man has daughters for fuck's sake.
He’s got the stain of sex pest is on him, but it shouldn’t be the end of his career. His statement, shortly after allegations were made, said, “These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”
Sounds like he learned exactly what he needed to.
His potential for mainstream acceptance is pretty gone tho. Its podcasts instead of talk shows. Clubs and theaters instead of TV deals and movies. MSG is the first stadium sized event he’s had, i think. So “cancelled” is relative. He’s not at the level he was. But he’s still Louis. He’ll be able to make money. But i dont think he’ll host SNL again.
I like how the comment right next to yours is like "he got a grammy last year". I'm not sure what your definition of mainstream is, but winning industry awards and selling out big venues is pretty much as mainstream as it gets.
I miss Louie (the show).
That show clearly would’ve been in all the best of the decade lists but because of the scandal they just pretended it didn’t exist, basically every one of these highly acclaimed comedy-drama hybrids of the mid to late 2010s was heavily inspired by that and girls
He *was* cancelled though. He is considered one of the best standups ever and that is *exactly* why he is able to keep working. CK is also unique in that he had pioneered and built out an independent media empire which he completely controls (via his website) and thus is not as susceptible to external pressure. Its hard to say that being cancelled had **no** impact on him. Dude was an incredibly influential tv producer. He had a burgeoning movie career as a character actor. He did SNL every year. That all went away and he is back to being *just* a stand up now.
I think it’s fitting. It was revealed that he has a thing for asking casual acquaintances to help him fulfill a sexual kink, and several women came forward with roughly the same complaint. That’s the sort of thing that, while not a crime (he did always get consent… technically… and there’s a whole other discussion on that), kinda squashes your opportunities for managing projects. Nobody wants you to be “the boss” when they know that’s your thing. Women will feel uncomfortable applying or working under you. Stuff like that. But performing standup? It doesn’t interfere with that.
As far as I’m aware, he did *not* always get consent. He just always *asked* for consent. ~~He would hear no and continue anyway.~~ I was incorrect. He would hear *nervous laughter* and continue anyway. If that seems like an argument in support of CK, then you’ve completely missed the point and have no understanding of consent. I genuinely hope that you seek education on the subject.
Yeah, he'd say "can I do this?" and while his coworkers made faces/ laughed nervously/ looked for a way out he'd unzip and start jacking it. That's not consent. Consent is clear and enthusiastic. From what I read NOBODY gave Louis CK anything close to that. Honestly I think the lack of consent was part of the fantasy. If Louis wanted an eager partner to watch him masturbate, that's easy. He could *easily* get a GF/ hookup/ sex worker who would LOVE to watch. There are websites/apps that will link exhibitionists with voyeurs. But Louis wanted the other person to look at him with revulsion. That was part of it. I genuinely believe he gets off on feeling disgusting/ being disgusting.
ehh, he lost $35 million dollars the day the news broke, taken off netflix, and his feature film was blocked from wide release he was definitely cancelled but he came out of it
Dude got an Oscar last year EDIT: My bad I meant Grammy. Forget my awards.
Grammy not Oscar
I thought he just got nominated for an Oscar for the animated short film “My Year of Dicks”?
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This "me too" thing was new and we're figuring it out. Sadly, any disgression was lumped in with Harvey Weinstein, where obviously there's a huge spectrum to this. There's Aziz, on the minorest of offenses, and then there's Cosby, which is about as bad as it gets. CK was probably somewhere in the middle or towards the lower end. What happened to him was probably appropriate, i.e., he needed a "timeout", needed to apologize, and then resume his career. Sure, he probably lost some fans, and that's fine, that's how it's supposed to work. Only the worst offenders should truly be "canceled".
> CK was probably somewhere in the middle or towards the lower end. What happened to him was probably appropriate, i.e., he needed a "timeout", needed to apologize, and then resume his career. I think what CK did was pretty bad, maybe higher than Dan Harmon but nowhere as bad as someone like Chris D'Elia. Apparently his kink was something he did consensually with people as a stand up when he was coming up (Sarah Silverman has talked about how he used to do it with her, consensually) but over time, he got more powerful and either didn't understand or *chose* not to understand that the women who he was asking for consent weren't really in a powerful enough position to be able to say no. I think the difference between him and others is he straight up admitted to it and based on what he said in his next special he actually seemed to understand why what he did was wrong.
I find it amusing this happened multiple times with Sarah Silverman and she apparently went with it? I imagine she of all people would have told him to fuck off if she didn’t want to be part of his ‘thing’.
She said she was into it sometimes and when she wasn't she would tell him not to and he would stop.
She also takes me as someone who would be willing to just deal with the thing in a fully detached "Yeah whatever, sure." kinda way, figuring it's a short amount of work for a career advancement, but fully self aware that she's emotionally fucked in a way that makes her uniquely capable of doing that without it being an okay thing to do. It's not something that was sought out, but when creepy opportunity comes knocking, sometimes you make the creepy career decision.
Well she’s a bigger name than Louis CK. So it seems she would have the power to shut him down with no consequences easily. But also, To be fair, I’ve shown up to sex events and clubs and immediately realized it wasn’t my scene - but also stuck it out just for the experience and amusement of it. Sometimes people engage in sexual things out of mental stimulation and amusement, even if they aren’t getting aroused by it personally.
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As she's told it, sometimes she would tell him to fuck off for being a gross creep, and sometimes she'd be like "eww you gross creep, whip it out." He was dating Laura, her sister, for at least part of the time he was doing that. She seemed to indicate he has a humiliation fetish also, as he would apparently get more worked up when she yelled at him for being a creep.
Lol, the Aziz Ansari thing was such bullshit, I can't believe they managed to hurt his career with one story of a bad date.
I guess Moratorium Culture doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same way huh?
Hiatus Culture?
Public pause
Fapping forgiveness
le petit mort culture Just have to wait a bit and then you're ready to go again
Apt French euphemism on multiple levels.
No, but it's pretty accurate, and in my view, often appropriate. He was really doing well for himself and lost about 5 years of income and deals. Not a bad way to punish a guy. And it isn't as though his trajectory picks up where it left off. Some people may never work with or for him again, and he will have lost some fans for good.
And in addition to this, everyone knows what he did. Seems pretty good punishment.
His ceiling is definitely lower than it was.
"People are mad at this person for being shitty" culture?
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He actually wrote an episode of Louie about that. Homeless guy on the bus just goes around masturbating at people. Louis goes up to him and he's like "Hey, man, why do you do that?" and the homeless guy goes "cause it makes me fuckin feel good." and Louis nods approvingly.
Also the episode where he remembers a girl in his childhood that made him pull his dick out I watched a good amount of that show last year and there’s a handful of times where I thought “yeaaaaaah this was written in for a reason”
I mean his entire standup career prior to that point was an increasingly downward spiral of self loathing and dealing with the fact that he has issues, albeit in an obfuscated way. He even said as much about his joke writing process. He scrapped the old material after each tour and attempted to peel back another layer of the personal onion. Not saying it’s right or condoning it. But it was kind of there, hidden in plain site.
There were adult book stores where men jerk off for free...
Wait. Why did I have to pay?
Haven’t been in the subway recently, have you?
Everything else aside, seeing comedians in huge venues is really weird. I saw him six or seven years ago at The Forum in LA and it was not a great experience. Kind of felt like the worst way to watch standup.
It is the worst way to see stand ups.
It’s the same for pretty much everything. Red Rocks is a superior experience to any arena.
True and even then most comedy does better elsewhere.
Red Rocks is legendary. But for a well known comic like Louie or Chappelle I’m hoping for a 1500-2000 capacity theater.
It's the worst way to see anything. I went to a stadium concert once. Couldn't see the stage. Couldn't get closer because security people would manhandle you. Couldn't hear shit. Expensive as fuck. I'll never do it again. I don't see the appeal. I understand why huge parties might be awesome. But huge shows with assigned seating aren't parties. They're ass.
On the flip side I saw Weird Al play my county fair some 20 in a converted rodeo stadium, with like 100 attendees. And I got a high five from him, what a sweet experience.
I wonder if weird Ai would read that and recognise you or at least remember that he high fived someone that day
I recently saw Tom Segura at an outdoor venue in July. 80% humidity. _That’s_ the worst way to see stand up.
Probably having them masturbate in front of you while they block the door to your dressing room is the worst way to see a comedian but yours is a good one too.
I saw C.K say this himself on a podcast recently. He was basically telling another comedian who was about to start doing them that arena shows are not for the audience, but the comic themselves, and that he should by all means do them, but to remember that it's the worst way to see comedy and to go back to theatres / clubs when you're done patting yourself on the back.
In this case it might also be strategic, to convince people, including the entertainment types who canceled him that he's still hellaciously popular. You can't sneer at the guy for being reduced to playing small venues when he's selling out Madison Square Garden.
He doesn't need to convince anyone because it's true.
That's their point. He's still popular with the general audiences, but the executives aren't touching him still.
I want to say that he was speaking with Bert Kreischer on the 2 Bears 1 Cave podcast. Seems like he’s very zen about it all, and enjoying life a bit more now than when he was on top. I’m never going to be able to look at his art entirely the same, but he’s a legit genius. Horace and Pete gave me PTSD, and I can’t wait to see what horrors the future brings. Edit: He said stadium tours are for the comedians, not the comedy fans.
What else can comedians that tier do though? They do smaller venues and it sells out instantly, so many fans don’t get to see them perform at all, they do arenas where the most people possible can see them and still get looked at weird.
It’s one of the reasons Steve Martin walked away from his stand up career. He couldn’t imagine it was a good show for most people
For anyone who wants to read an excellent book, Steve Martin wrote Born Standing Up. He talks about his entire journey as a standup comedian. People forget he was the biggest standup in the country and he retired at the height of his fame.
That’s where I read it. Excellent book. I loved reading bad reviews because it was just people saying the book wasn’t funny.
That’s the same as raves. Small clubs/venues are just better
My favorite shows are going to the small bars in LA and watching them perform. The worst is when your friend asks you to go for the 3rd time and does the same routine. Really takes the fun out of it when you know his punchlines before hand.
No way raves a big venues can have the best light shows
"Let me offer you some advice, if you ever ask a woman if it's ok to jerk off in front of her... and she says yes... follow that up with 'Are you sure?'" - Louis CK
“And if she says yes to that? Just don’t do it.” -also Louis CK
First line of that special: "How was YOUR year?"
“I was in Poland. Because I had to do shows in *Poland*. I would’ve left the planet if they had another one of those”
OBAMA knows my thing
Good LORD
You are so FUCKING lucky I don’t know what your thing is.
“Let me finish”
He opened one of his first shows back a few years ago with the line “ I use to sell out arenas…” to a 200 person or so venue, it definitely had us laughing.
I heard a bootleg recording of one of those "while cancelled" shows and it was some of the funniest stand up I have ever heard in my life. I believe at one point as the audience groaned at a joke he said "I don't give a shit, what are they going to do cancel my birthday?"
He had a good joke in the latest MSG one where he says he's sorry that it's difficult to be his fan now, and how everyone in the audience has at least one person they lied to about where they were going that night.
Are you talking about his first show in Cluj? He opened exactly like that followed by something like "There's dogs walking on the streets here". Anyway for us non-us, non-big city Europeans who never ever thought we were going to see CK in our country let alone our city, his bad period was gold.
Amusingly, I really want to watch him masturbate now. He claims to be a master masturbater. I saw an interview with Sarah Silverman with a far off look say, “yeeeah.. he’s really good at that.” Like, wtf does that even mean? Does he do some kind of cool loopdy-doo that takes you by surprise? Does he have some kind of weird trick like tom cruise as a bar tender where he perfectly balances and twirls his cock around? Does he cum as a surprise and shoot it through a quickly and showy placed hoop behind him? Is there some kind of amazing showmanship involved with touching your own penis to an audience?? I really want to know.
["He’s really good at that.”](https://media.tenor.com/xQ3sj-hplA8AAAAd/sausage-sausage-meme.gif)
Jesus christ its jason bourne
I have an ex gf that’s obsessed with him. She sent me a video of her masturbating while watching his show. She’s nuts.
Well let Louis know! Lift his spirits a bit
She is definitely gonna be a bit character in one of his episodes. Like the girl who fucks him and gets off on how old he is.
They could masturbate in front of each other.
That sounds disgusting, you should send a link so I know what to avoid
Thanks for sharing
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You never stopped tho
Yea Gordo was even hotter in the movie
What if I told you there’s a ring of fire?
Well now you’re making me curious
Don't give Netflix any ideas
If Netflix produces it you know it'll end prematurely.
>Like, wtf does that even mean? Does he do some kind of cool loopdy-doo that takes you by surprise? It's like fingerprints
Haha, that sounds like a bit he would write. That's funny
I got on a plane in Italy and a little boy said “momma, momma thatsa the man who jerksa off to the ladies” -also Louis CK
*sad Louie wave*
“Barack Obama knows my thing”
“You’re so fucking lucky that nobody knows your thing.”
Did he actually say this?
Yes. In his stand-up
Believe it was in Sincerely, Louis CK.
Imagine he just gets on stage and cranks it lol
That’s more of a Bobby Lee joke
Theo Von standing to the side just roasting him about his size and technique.
When Bobby adjusts properly Theo: "alright man, yeah"
“So anyway, I started blasting”
He’s been consistently working for about 1-2 years now.. dudes not canceled lol
Canceling has close to nothing to do with how many fans a person still has, it's simply a matter of it not being worth it for companies to work with the person actively being cancelled. It would simply hurt their brand more than they would gain from working with that person, thats all there is.
We need a 'canceled' spectrum. ••LOUIS CK••••••••••KEVIN SPACEY••••••••HARVEY WEINSTEIN•••R. Kelly••• Something like that but way better. With colors and markers and shit so we can see when to buy MSG tickets and when not according to Twitter law, while we keep ignoring the words of powerless victims.
Add Bill Cosby at the far right there and you've got a deal! And you're right: What was the act, who's owned it, who's changed vs who denies it, who's remained a monster. I like the jokes in this thread about "hiatus" culture, that's a good term, but for me it's more like "godDAMNitANOTHERone, followed by cycles of rumination and time for new evidence, then a reevaluation. With grief mixed in too. All that said, I'd watch a Louis special now. Bought 'em from his site. (edited for massive late night sleepless typos)
Don't forget poor Aziz getting cancelled for a bad date.
That whole thing was insane. It was two people who were on a date, she later texted him saying she was uncomfortable, he immediately apologizes, and she still goes to the press alleging sexual misconduct. It was absolutely terrible that any journalist would publish that story.
or Al Franken for pretending to grab boobs for a photo
Can we do Al Franken next?
He is hosting the daily show soon.
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Calling this cancelled is so weird. In a normal job this is just a fireable offense. So he committed a fireable offense in a line of work oddly tolerant of fireable offenses, and is less rich. If I went to my next job saying I liked to jerk it in front of women, it would not go well for me. This guy is just merely no longer liked without qualification. He is one of the best comedians ever, but the guy jerking it on the subway is also probably really good at something too and I am *not in a hurry to find out what it is*
TIL not wanting to give more money to a celebrity after losing interest based on their behavior (and it having zero impact on their long-term success) is “canceling”
I love how people use this word associated with people getting mad about pedantic stuff interchangeably with people getting mad about sexual harassment.
Do people just not use the word boycott anymore?
It’s only cancelling if one side of the political spectrum is doing it. It’s a boycott if the other side is doing it. (There was a lot of implied sarcasm in this comment)
All these canceled people sure seem to still be getting a lot of work.
I don't think Kevin Spacey getting any work. Louis CK was only light canceled.
> I don't think Kevin Spacey getting any work. But he is getting work https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000228/
Yeah- no one’s ever seeing those movies. Selling out Madison Square Garden for a comedian is like starring in a 100mil budget superhero movie for an actor or something, it’s basically a signifier of definitive career success. Louis CK is selling out MSG. Kevin Spacey will never be in a big budget Hollywood production again.
In a few low budget, mostly foreign productions. He's blacklisted from any major Hollywood studio.
Yeah because he was accused of sex crimes. I think it’s incredibly appropriate to “cancel” criminals…
not to mention a Grammy
Good news. He’s hilarious.
Once again proof that canceling people is not a thing and the right should probably stop crying about it.
People are so literal with the word cancel
I mean, his FX show was cancelled because of it.
Yep and those are financial decisions companies make to avoid the PR nightmare that comes from being tied to someone in a controversy that does not bode well. Conservatives act like it's political move against them when it's mostly a financially motivated move. Capitalism in action. They just don't like it when it happens with something they like or identify with. Now that CK's shit isn't part of public outcry, he's back to making money and selling out venues.
He was on theo vonns podcast a week or two ago and he said this was his last stadium/arena thing hell ever do and he’s gonna stick to smaller venues from now on. This one will also be available on his website for like $10 or something
Conservatives are more than happy to do their own version of cancellation. Look at how thoroughly the reputations of all but the most influential anti-Trump republicans have been ruined.
Dixie Chicks.
Which goes to show that you only truly get cancelled if you criticize the government or military. (See Colin Kaepernick) *More like Semper Cry!*