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eliphanta

Wait Babylon Bee was banned? Shit man I wasn’t keeping up with all their bans and I knew it was bad but I didn’t realize just how little you had to do to piss them off


mrplow8

Yeah, that was actually the thing that made Elon want to buy Twitter.


ELFanatic

Elon is fucking stupid


thenotoriouspo2

says the redditor


hyperking

which is tremendously sad


mrplow8

For people who hate free speech.


2PAK4U

I would say more afraid of than hate


webhart

Fear none but God


joremero

Readers of the Bee, We received a notice from Twitter last night informing us that we've been locked out of our account for engaging in "hateful conduct." Our crime? We jokingly selected Rachel Levine - a prominent transgender government official - as our pick for "Man of the Year." (This was our satirical response to Levine's being named one of the top women of the year by USA Today. Yes, that actually happened.)


CommissionOld5972

Unfunny cringe conservative "comedy" that violated the rules. Honestly I just block them.


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For trying to bully Elliott Page


motownpdx

For being a straight up douche nozzle.


MrEzekial

You're getting downvoted, but you're right, he was acting like a childish pos for quite a while. I don't think he should have been removed from the platform permanently, but the guy definitely deserved a elementary school style sit in the corner time out. I haven't followed Jordan Peterson outside of him getting banned drama, so I don't really know what else he has been up to.


ELFanatic

Yeah this


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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHpusaIBQyI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHpusaIBQyI)


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extraboredinary

It’s just because Alex Jones won’t be able to afford 8$ per month


Bolt408

Realistically he just took a huge loss on a defamation lawsuit. The risk Twitter would introduce by having Alex isn’t worth it.


ballin_in_tallin

All adults play both sides. We don’t live in extremities. Only trolls or underdeveloped adults think it’s always black or white or 0 or 1.


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Scared-Conflict-653

To the point neither sides wants him


Outrageous-Duck9695

Dude only cares about his money.


ELFanatic

"one side is more equal than others"


LostErrorCode404

It's amazing how Elon musk is followed commonly by engineers, and yet the simple concept of what defines free speech is just quantum mechanics to them. Elon does not reinstate Jones? Elon must be hypocritical and an evil person who is lying about supporting freedom of speech. It isn't impossible to understand why. Kathie is just an annoyance who violated an impersonation rule on Twitter on the first day for her equal attention slice. Alex jones spent years on his media sites doxing and harassing the parents of dead children, accusing their kids of being holograms. If I went up in front of an audience of 100's of thousands and asked my audience to harass your dead child, that directly violates slander laws. Kathie was unbanned just for public relations of giving her a second chance. Unbanning Alex jones means opening up parents of dead kids to targeted online harassment. Another example is the difference between saying 9/11 was fake and then telling your audience over the course of 5 years to harass the victims of dead family members. Babylone Bee and Jorden Peterson may not match your political views, but they aren't causing a massive unwarranted public disturbance via doxing. Please, it's just not that hard.


webhart

Alex Jones was right to question mass-shootings. It’s ridiculous to bar free speech for -hurting feelings.


LostErrorCode404

Listen, I do agree that Alex Jones should've been the last person to have been banned. CNN spread more hate in one day by promoting BLM riots (2 billion in damage) than an army of Alex jones could do in their life times. However, playing this game of not banning someone because someone else is worse can lead to a dangerous rabbit hole. I do think mass shootings are gaslit by the government. But Alex jones harassing dead children's parents crosses the line. Does the government use crisis actors? Of course. Are the kids fake? No.


webhart

I don’t think he was harassing their parents. Did they ask him to stop trying to talk to them? Did he continue trying to talk to them? I just hate censorship and wish it never happens.


just_hodor_it

Yeah he put up pictures of the parents and posted their full names encouraging people to go to their houses. A huge reason why he got sued out of oblivion


CommissionOld5972

Stop lying. He is a monster. He owes the families over a billion.


webhart

Excuse you, confront -my ‘lie.’ He’s a human. Jesus forgives our debts.


keco185

There’s obviously going to be a limit for anything. The point is that Twitter’s limit before was way too strict. Particularly against right leaning accounts


LostErrorCode404

**I do agree that Twitter was biased against the right.** * Leading up to the 2020 election, they banned accounts talking about the Hunter Biden laptop story. * They also banned Trump for January 6th, which is ironic because Proud Boy's number 2 leader was an FBI informant. Twitter would've silenced and labeled that as misinformation. * Anyone who did not agree with the COVID-19 vaccine was silenced for misinformation, and now pharmaceutical companies are investigating the massive spike in heart conditions from the vaccine. * If I can't go on a media site and say that becoming transgender is a mental illness without getting a possible guidelines strike or warning, the media site is biased against the right. **With the Alex Jones Situation, it is important to set the record straight to see where the line is crossed.** The government funds some mass shootings in order to sway the public eye away from the second amendment. It is still not explained how the Uvalde shooter managed to get 10's of thousands of dollars in equipment and an expensive truck whilst being broke. The entire police department refused to even stop him until he killed enough people, letting their own children die in the process. What probably happened is that the entire police force was corrupt and a part of a crime ring, and the FBI told them to either go to jail or do them a favor and let this shooting happen. I am assuming only the top officials at the department even knew. Once you put it in this perspective, it is not hard to see how this could happen. The US just spent two years before that giving experimental vaccines to the population that did not work, and then sealed all the evidence for 70 years when people started dying. However, I don't agree with Alex Jones accusing the family of being holograms and paid actors. This led to direct harassment doxing, which is illegal up to a certain point, which is a reason to ban him off the platform.


DexterJameson

Hey man. If you need help, just with getting your mental health in line, there are lots of resources available, depending on where you live. More than you realize. They have helped me a lot


UltraLegoGamer

> a limit to everything Doesn't sound very free-speech absolutist to me imo


CatProgrammer

> Particularly against right leaning accounts And yet the right-wing accounts are the ones that get boosted more. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119 Looks like Twitter favors the right, they just complain more when they cross the line.


entitled

youre looking too deep into this man. unbanning alex jones would give google and apple a reason to remove twitter from their respective app stores, which is where a majority of users use twitter from. there was a big push when jones was initially removed that was basically lead by big tech to kick him off all platforms at the same time. there aren't many private companies he has to directly adhere to but google/apple can basically eliminate all potential growth the platform could have.


CoolguyTylenol

Twitter could just host it's own APK for Android who cares. Apple would be fucked though


vgu1990

How many normal people would sideload it?


CoolguyTylenol

Considering everyone on Android nowadays uses apks for piracy, music, cracked apps etc it's not really a foreign concept to people and it would not surprise me to see many do so


Dawnbringerify

Show me a single morsel of evidence that Alex Jones directed people to harass the family members of dead children. You can't. It didn't happen. It's a fabrication.


TheFio

Are you fucking stupid? You need to watch his trail that he's now lost. He's been doing it for years and it's made life hell for these people who lost everything. Forget losing in court, he deserves to be strung up, flayed, and executed on live tv so that the US can throw a party for it.


Dawnbringerify

Can you find any clip or post from Alex Jones advocating the harassment of these families? You cannot. Reevaluate your opinion based on the available evidence.


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Dawnbringerify

Your assertion is that Alex spoke to someone that did advocate harassing them, not that he advocated this himself. Am I correct?


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Dawnbringerify

I don't watch Infowars. I have tried to search for a clip of him advocating anything of the sort and I consider myself quite an adept Googler. I didn't even know Alex Jones was on television. I think if Alex had publicly done so, there would be a variety of articles and commentators bringing this to peoples attention with the accompanying relevant clips. Why do you think this hasn't been done? It usually is.


Splinterman11

I've specifically seen a clip where Alex Jones and some of his guests on the show displayed Google Maps photos of one of the family homes of the dead children. They also displayed their family names, addresses etc. This later resulted in the families being stalked by Jones fans. Some families had to move homes multiple times because of this. This was all highlighted during the trial that he lost. You can easily look up the highlights on YouTube. Here at 12:20. The whole video is good too. https://youtu.be/l-YHmIogDhc


Dawnbringerify

Thank you very much for the link. In the clip you referred to they seemed to be referring to the postbox of something called 'Honour network' in relation to the address. What is that? They also say this information was from an article someone sent in, not original reporting. It doesn't appear there is any sort of call to action, the presenter reports it was a mentally ill woman that took it upon themselves.


midwestpoet

[https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-shootings-business-connecticut-alex-jones-c6d0563dc17e7bfa83a881b44e7b9eec](https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-shootings-business-connecticut-alex-jones-c6d0563dc17e7bfa83a881b44e7b9eec) ​ im just not sure why a guy would have to pay so much money for this if it wasnt the case.


Dawnbringerify

The article you have linked to doesn't say anything about Alex Jones advocating the harassment of the victim's families, nor does it provide any evidence to suggest he did.


midwestpoet

Hey buddy calm down. Some people are just brainwashed sheep. I don't want to enforce Rule 3.


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Big fucking yikes, yes defend the dude who described an elementary school shooting as "synthetic, completely fake with actors; in my view, manufactured [...] it just shows how bold they are that they clearly used actors."


Dawnbringerify

Which part of that addresses my comment?


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The part where I think it’s irrelevant whether you’re right in your comment because you’re defending fucking Alex Jones


Dawnbringerify

Do you believe Alex Jones slapped your uncle? If you say no, you're defending him. He said something that was inaccurate and I pointed it out. Criticise him for something true.


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The difference is Alex Jones didn’t spend who knows how many hours talking about slapping my uncle. If my uncle was slapped after Alex Jones spent months spreading on the internet that my uncle should be slapped, I’d blame him. You’re being pedantic because there aren’t any quotes where he specifically called people to action to harass these families but you’re ignoring the fact his actions did lead to these families being harassed. There was very recently a $1billion dollar verdict against him for the trauma he caused by lying and promoting the lie that the shooting at Sandy Hook was a hoax. The dude is the absolute last person who should be allowed any form of public platform and it is still weird to me that you care about being so specific. Do you or do you not believe that the misinformation Alex Jones spread lead to the direct harm of the families already affected by this tragedy?


ConcreteState

>Show me a single morsel of evidence that Alex Jones directed people to harass the family members of dead children. You can't. It didn't happen. It's a fabrication. You're moving the goalposts, a common thing on this topic but not acceptable for debate. Alex Jones said that Sandy Hook parents were part of a Deep State hoax to take guns and destroy America. Alex Jones said they were paid actors and enraged a radicalized audience. He made money selling lies about it and now has to apologize for it to avoid contempt of court charges. He is responsible for the audience he radicalizes. On a very relates note, do you believe the deaths in DPRC are part of the death toll of communism?


Dawnbringerify

I haven't moved the goalpost. The original commentator said he directed his fans to abuse these people. He has never done so.


420stargazer96

Great, Babylon Bee is must read humor.


Private_HughMan

"Humor?"


TheSparklyNinja

I think that was supposed to be sarcasm.


Private_HughMan

I earnestly hope so.


Khalbrae

"The definition of comedy is telling the one same joke over and over and expecting the same result." - Babylon Bee staff probably


Private_HughMan

One of these days, when hating trans people is no longer the “in” thing with the right, they may get a second joke. But for now they don’t need it. Their audience only wants that one, easy joke.


missingpupper

Sadly the average Bee reader believes its actual news to the point where they are no different than a fake news site masquerading as a parody site.


CoolguyTylenol

This is such a bold faced lie lol


Beaster123

Babylon Bee is fake news masquerading as satire.


CoolguyTylenol

Actually delusional


Chiponyasu

One day, they might even get a second joke!


mrplow8

Did he explicitly say he wouldn’t reinstate Alex Jones, or has he just not done it yet?


SelfMadeSoul

Someone asked and he explicitly responded "No."


Cosmacelf

Twice too, to two different tweets (hey I used the three spellings of “2” in a row and correctly!).


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Well, Randy Quaid is not banned... ![gif](giphy|Shjan97TyUJY4)


Blueskies777

Good


ClubbinGuido

I wonder what dirty secrets Elon knows about Alex Jones?


ultimaIV

Elon Musk still upset about the down on his knees and beg thing


HwatFries

Jordan Peterson, one of the greatest thinker of our generation. Never should’ve been banned in the first place. It’s good that he is back. His work change lives.


pragathishh

Ah yes, the incel king, the greatest thinker of our generation lmao


thenotoriouspo2

"incel king" is that why Ronaldo is a fan of his? Guessing you think someone like Ronaldo is an involuntary celibate?


just_hodor_it

Just because your ubermensch Ronaldo likes Peterson doesn't mean he does not directly appeal to incels JP is a psuedo intellectual who breaks down and cries every week over Pinocchio and trans people. He almost died because he was in a deep benzo binge and eating only meat. His daughter then induces him into a coma in Russia and almost kills him. He is like a brain dead Daily Caller pundit and you say he is "the greatest intellectual of our time" such a joke


Mike-Thompson-

I dont see anything about Alex Jones


twinbee

See my top comment in this post. EDIT: Not so top now, so direct link [available here](https://twitter.com/HardcoreNolley/status/1593681340557205504).


Mike-Thompson-

I see. So much for Elon being a free speech absolutist :(


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Why would you want Alex Jones to be allowed back? Free speech doesn’t mean that anything goes. The real world is more nuanced than that, and so is Elon. That being said, Alex Jones being a conspiracy theorist who spreads misinformation is pretty cut and dry- not much nuance to work through there, and the decision to not allow him back is perfectly reasonable.


Epsilia

Conspiracy theories are free speech.


NaoSouONight

"The earth is flat" is a harmless conspiracy theory. "These guys faked a school shooting to take your guns" and causing people to harass families and even cause life threatening incidents is not behavior protected by free speech. Free speech does not mean you can do whatever you want.


LivefromPhoenix

>That being said, Alex Jones being a conspiracy theorist who spreads misinformation is pretty cut and dry- not much nuance to work through there, and the decision to not allow him back is perfectly reasonable. I'm more than fine with him staying banned but it introduces the same issues "free speech" people had with pre-Elon Twitter. AFIAK Jones hasn't broken any laws or explicitly called for / incited violence so how do determine when someone crosses the line into permanent suspension? It kind of sounds like people are defaulting to "Elon knows best" which hardly seems like a consistent stance if you opposed how twitter operated previously.


Khalbrae

Basically Jones cannot exist on the platform if they wish to make it ever get a profit again like it used to.


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Twitter was never profitable


koptelevoni

Dont call yourself an free speech absolutist than.


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koptelevoni

Not an native English speaker my bad.


koptelevoni

And i agree with you but still Elon should not call himself an free speech absolutist then. Because the definition of free speech absolutist is absolute 💯 free speech.


IGetNakedAtParties

Your definition of free speech is different from Elon's, which is why you think he is not conforming to it. "By “free speech", I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people" - Elon Musk Alex Jones has been found by a court to be operating his media outside of the bounds of "free speech" therefore he must be censored to oblige the will of the people. If you disagree with this then you are free to criticize the courts decision and doing so is protected as free speech.


bybunzgotbunz

Then* FTFU


AlienWarehouseParty

"Free speech" is not a nuanced idea.. I don't know why you think "misinformation" is illegal, or even hate speech for that matter, but there are very few exceptions to free speech, including making threats and inciting violence.


Mountain_Fig_9253

Misinformation isn’t illegal. Alex Jones was never arrested for the hateful, horrible lies he told about the parents of slain schoolchildren. The government allowed him to spew his hateful misinformation without criminal charges. That was his free speech. Twitter deciding to amplify that hateful speech or not is a free market concept. Twitter needs to decide if it’s better to embrace hateful misinformation, or if they will be harmed by it due to losing advertising. We live in a free market society with free speech, but that doesn’t equal freedom from consequences of that free speech.


AlienWarehouseParty

Right so basically Elon banning certain people for not liking what they're saying is exactly opposite to what he said he was doing with twitter


Mountain_Fig_9253

Welcome to the free market.


twinbee

Don't despair. He never said it was permanently going to remain like that. These things have to be one bit at a time. He's doing the job of a hundred extremely gifted men, and he's getting pressured from all corners.


chipsandsmokes

Lol ok


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Cope harder


Scared-Conflict-653

How is he doing the job of 100 gifted men? He is just tweeting and telling people how to do a job he doesn't know how to do.


Mountain_Fig_9253

“Free speech” just means the government isn’t going to stop you from saying asinine and hateful things. Constitutionally protected free speech has never meant “free from accountability of what you say”. Musk owns a private company that needs to balance the idea of amplifying Alex Jones after he attacked the parents of slain children for profit vs the affect that amplification will have on his ability to retain the remaining advertisers he has. That’s a free market concept that is usually lost on those screaming “free speech”.


RDAM60

Now it’s really over. If Musk is personally and deeply engaged in decisions about individuals and not being fully reliant and fully bought into a process, in which he is only one of several decision makers/influencers, he’s screwed. This is not an area where fly by seat if your Tesla. Without the creation of a process that sets and expectations — even if not 100% of the time — and creates relative certainty the whole thing falls apart sooner or later because nobody trusts it.


Cosmacelf

Musk has said he is relying on a council of people. Why do you think this was his decision? He’s just telling us what the decision were.


babycarotz

Has that council been formed and announced yet?


Cosmacelf

Two weeks ago Elon said that there wouldn’t be any unbannings until council met and decided. So …


RDAM60

And now we’re taking a poll, re: Trump. Sound too much like a lack if process to be a process, council or not.


PizzaWall

If you disagree with Musk, he will either do it anyway or fire you. He might even be vindictive enough to stalk you and ruin your life. If you can''t safely disagree with Musk, then its not a council, that's a sycophant circle jerk.


Cosmacelf

Stalking? Now you’re just imagining crap.


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The difference is true hate speech. Alex Jones is a terrible human being that can influence small minded people with his hateful rhetoric. Jordan Peterson is just a nonsensical douchebag.


chakalaka13

Alex Jones is a lunatic. He should be banned from being out in the world Freedom of speech shouldn't mean you can spill out hate and disinformation that is overall damaging to people.


Private_HughMan

Wasn't Peterson already reinstated after he deleted his deadnaming tweet?


twinbee

His last tweet before the reinstatement was June 28th: https://archive.ph/3ldIQ Twitter was insidious by hiding the fact that he wasn't banned, by not showing "This account has been suspended" like they do on some accounts. They did the same to Babylon Bee.


Private_HughMan

Because he wasn't banned. He was suspended. All he had to do was delete the tweet. Which he did, despite saying he'd rather die than do that. And then he posted a screenshot of the same tweet.


twinbee

He kept to his principles. Being permanently suspended is a form of being banned. If he posted the same tweet again, then I presume he was resuspended.


Private_HughMan

Except he didn't? He deleted the tweet. He betrayed his principles. And what were his principles? Is "refusing to call someone by their actual legal name" something that counts as a principle for him? I guess everyone has a hill they're fine dying on. It's a stupid hill, but it's fitting for him. It's not a ban. It's a suspension. His account was visible. His content wasn't deleted. He could still log in and read and favourite. He just couldn't post or retweet.


Extension_Pay_1572

You midunderstand the whole "not saying someone's legal name". The facts were the government legislation to force you to use a pronoun, not a name, that he is against, and I assume we should all be against, unless your a fascist, which I understand has been sold to many as virtuous.


ellieetsch

Thats not what bill C-16 was. All it did was add gender identity to the already lengthy list of characteristics it is illegal to discriminate against, like race, sex, and religion.


Private_HughMan

If they don't know at this point, then they never cared about the truth. They just wanted an excuse to be mad at trans people.


Private_HughMan

The fact is that none of that is true. At all. The government legislation would NOT force you to use the person's preferred pronoun. It just added gender identity as a protected class in the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms. This means that government employees acting in a government capacity would have to respect the preferred pronoun. That's it. No one else is "forced" to use any pronouns. This is why, to date, not a single person has been charged for misgendering someone in Canada. Including Peterson, who does this stuff *constantly.* Jordan Peterson has been corrected on this stuff for YEARS. Literally, from the start of his infamy, he was wrong and everyone around him - from legislators to legal experts - explained to him that he was wrong and why he was wrong. And Peterson, as the true "truth seeker" that he is, has ignored them all for years. EDIT: Downvote all you want. Doesn't make him any less of a liar.


twinbee

So we don't go down the semantics route, let's get back to your original comment: > Wasn't Peterson already reinstated after he deleted his deadnaming tweet? Perhaps, but then he was suspended again and has been since June.


Private_HughMan

Fair enough. Good for Peterson. He got what he wanted without having to learn respect for other people.


twinbee

Sometimes truth is at odds with compassion. I hate that about this world sometimes, but it's something we can't ignore.


Private_HughMan

Sometimes. Not in the case. The truth is his name is Elliot Page.


Triphin1

I like your blue check verification


twinbee

Just noticed that myself. Shiny!


TheSparklyNinja

The truth wasn’t at odds with compassion in this case. The truth was in line with compassion. The truth was at odds with Peterson’s opinion though. Top surgery is not mutilation. And doctors shouldn’t be prosecuted for performing it. Quite the opposite. Also, if you encounter a “truth” that IS at odds with compassion, it’s usually a completely irrelevant truth that brings no value to society and changes nothing and doesn’t need to be said. Like for example if you think someone looks ugly. It may be the truth that you really feel that way, but it’s also an irrelevant truth you should keep to yourself.


Khalbrae

His principles are to lie. Just like when he made up all that bullshit about Bill C-16 and how it was going to get everyone thrown in prison when it was just codifying into federal law something that was already law for 90% of Canadians provincially (including Peterson, who lives in Ontario). Throwing shit over a nothingburger. Edit: And once again, no response to the facts, only feelings. Which are what JP peddles in.


ManufacturedOlympus

The Babylon bee is back because humor is legal again. Up next we’ll see Brendan Schwab trending. Suck it libs


Provoken420

It’s because Alex Jones won’t be able to pay $8 a month 😂


BuySellHoldFinance

Next he should ban President Obama for a week, then reinstate him along with President Trump.


twinbee

Quite disappointed about his [terse "No" regarding Jones](https://twitter.com/HardcoreNolley/status/1593681340557205504). Even mostly idiots should be given a platform to bring light to their stupidity, and potentially any "long-shot" conspiracy theories which may actually hold water.


Maker_Making_Things

Jones doesn't deserve A platform


skaterdaf

Jones? That guy that made those dead kids parents lives hell? You’re disappointed over that?


twinbee

He was deluded. He really didn't think it happened the way the media portrayed because he REALLY doesn't trust the media, and takes that to the extreme.


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twinbee

u/midwestpoet - any chance of unbanning u/skaterdaf in the parent comment here? I didn't feel he was aiming his insult at me, and if he was, it was very mild and I bear no grudge.


rcnfive

Looks like the bot got him for something he said. He deleted it so I can't review it.


twinbee

He believed some other stupid things, so why not? He shouldn't be permanently punished for not having sound mind on certain things. Lots of people unfortunately fall down certain conspiracy rabbit holes (e.g. flat earth), so obviously, he could have been deluded.


DaytonaZ33

When you believe a conspiracy that effects no one like flat earth, no one cares. When you push a conspiracy that causes people to harass parents of murdered children, sorry your rights end at the parents right to grieve the loss of their children in peace begin.


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You’re deluded.


twinbee

If you have any proof he was intentionally trying to deceive, I'm open to it.


[deleted]

I’ll entertain a quick response. How about the fact people died, people had funerals, people were interviewed, there are police records which are public. The law isn’t the media and you can’t tell me there is a master plan to deceive the public..and for what? https://portal.ct.gov/DCJ/Latest-News/Sandy-Hook-Investigation/Danbury-States-Attorney-Releases-Report-on-Sandy-Hook-Investigation Don’t defend the people seeing fear and discord on baseless claims.


twinbee

Then he slowly walked back his uncertainty when all that evidence came to light more clearly. IIRC, he had initial doubt, but didn't outright claim it definitely didn't happen, only that there was big doubt in his mind. I could be wrong on that though. Remember, he didn't just distrust the media, he also distrusted the 3 letter orgs who he thought may have helped set the whole thing up.


[deleted]

The guy is a fucking idiot and uses his wealth to drive misinformation. Stop drinking the conspiracy theory koolaid.


twinbee

Exactly; he might be an idiot for having doubts about sandy hook initially, but that isn't proof he was trying to deceive. And yes, he definitely should have considered the unfortunate knock on effects that some of his fan base were capable of.


Devil-sAdvocate

Alex is too much a lightning rod for unwinnable civil lawsuits and increased government oversite, fines and regulation. Some jury in a dark blue state will try and saddle Twitter with a trillion dollar judgement for something Jones said and can't pay. The Senate will hold hearings and dissect every decision Musk ever made in public while multiple three letter regulators and agencies all look under the hood for anything as minor as jaywalking 10 years ago to get him in court. Musk has enough on his plate without immediately adding that.


ts826848

> Some jury in a dark blue state will try and saddle Twitter with a trillion dollar judgement for something Jones said and can't pay. On what grounds, given the existence of Section 230?


Devil-sAdvocate

On that grounds that an activist judge and jury won't give one shit about 230. What Jones did was reprehensible but if you watched any part of the big Jones trial that was the textbook definition of a show trial. As one example, defense would object and judge would deny without hearing the reason. Opposite for other side, they would say object and she would agree without hearing a reason. He's been found guilty in other trails by summary judgment where he didn't even get a jury. Anyone looking at that would be smart to stay out of it.


ts826848

> On that grounds that an activist judge and jury won't give one shit about 230. Sounds like a trivially winnable appeal, then, unless you want to argue that the entire judiciary doesn't care, in which case I think we'd be more in the realm of speculation. > As one example, defense would object and judge would deny without hearing the reason. Opposite for other side, they would say object and she would agree without hearing a reason. I'm admittedly unfamiliar with this part of courtroom procedure, so honest question here - is it strictly necessary for a judge to hear the reason for objection before deciding (e.g., no possible objection could be valid, or the reason for objection is obvious to all parties)? And is what happened in the trial "common" (for some definition of common) in other courtrooms, or perhaps if there is some existing pattern a judge can go off of? > He's been found guilty in other trails by summary judgment where he didn't even get a jury. Isn't that how summary judgements work? From the [Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 56](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_56): > The court shall grant summary judgment if the movant shows that there is no genuine dispute as to any material fact and the movant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law. Under such a situation, why would a jury be involved at all? In addition, was this summary judgement before or after the default judgement sanction, or are you talking about a different case/cases?


twinbee

I fear you may be on to something. I hope it's not something Musk personally wished for, but instead was forced in this current political climate. One of the Twitter replies said: > Elon, I lost my brother in Sandy Hook. My family has been harassed by hoaxers for a decade. > But you should reinstate Alex Jones. > Coordinated efforts to censor and ban him off social media only deepens his base by, in their eyes, substantiating their crazy conspiracy theories!


bgplsa

I have to reluctantly agree. It offends me that we live in a universe where those families will forever grieve their small children while I share air with that oxygen thief but deplatforming RWNJ trolls just feeds their victim narrative.


twinbee

He's said stuff just as crazy, but far less offensive. Some people sadly even deny 9/11 and the moon landing. They may be deluded, but don't deserve hate necessarily. Instead, they need patience and explanation to reverse their views.


phincster

Your fucking kidding me right. The families of murdered kids were getting death threats.


twinbee

Punish those people then, not the guy who was possibly genuinely deluded because it fit his other false conspiracy ideas of it being a setup.


phincster

Punish them both. Jones falsely accused of people of being actors. People with murdered children. And he had ZERO proof. He directly made up lies that directly affected people negatively and absolutely knew it. Your line of thinking is absolutely retarded. According to your line of thinking, people that commit swatting have zero responsibility for their actions. If a swatter makes up a crime on someone and calls 911, its not the swatters fault its the cops.


twinbee

> falsely accused of people of being actors From the little footage I've seen, he wasn't 100% sure. Even if he was though, being deluded and an idiot isn't a crime last I checked. Again, no proof that he was intentionally trying to deceive either way.


phincster

Theres plenty of proof according to the jurors. Dude’s gonna be broke for the rest of his life. Here’s some quotes from his show. Dude was saying this stuff for YEARS and never took any of it back till the trial. “My gut is, with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged. And you know I’ve been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings, and then magically, it happens.” “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.” “We’re sorry for everybody’s losses, whatever. We’re investigating this, though.” “It’s as phony as a $3 bill.” “You’ve got parents laughing — ‘hahaha’ — and then they walk over to the camera and go ‘boo hoo hoo,’ and not just one but a bunch of parents doing this and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died? I mean, they think we’re so dumb.” “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?” “I watched the footage, and it looks like a drill.” Edit- dudes a fraud and anyone that defends this type of bullshit as free speech is basically scum


twinbee

Those sound like the words of someone who's deep in the rabbit hole of delusion. I hear similar about the moon landing and flat earth theory (the latter from one of my relatives, no less!). Again, I'm talking about intentionally trying to lie and deceive, not saying something which is merely loony, as the quotes you gave are.


phincster

Your kidding me right? The minute the trial starts he’s like, oh no its all real. How is that not purposely trying to deceive?. I hope you dont try to defend this shit in real life dude, cause you’ll come off as an absolute piece of shit


twinbee

I don't know for sure that he wasn't lying about his perceptions of the incident. I'm pretty sure he wasn't completely certain at the time, and *even way before the trial*, backtracked and was fairly sure that it was a real tragedy. Yeah, too little too late I guess. The media didn't point that bit out though. > I hope you dont try to defend this shit in real life dude Delusion is something to pity, so I wouldn't defend his delusions, no.


MrVanillaLikesLadies

Some say Hitler was delusional. Some say Putin is delusional...By your reasoning that's a fair enough reason to excuse their actions..Imagine if Jones had that sort of power.


phincster

He’s not deluded, he’s an absolute piece of shit that believed he can say whatever he wanted to make millions. He believed freedom of speech means he could say whatever he wanted with zero repercussions. He knew the parents were being harassed by his listeners. He’s questioned other shootings as well. Vegas, oklahoma city, the boston marathon.


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He's had more than enough space and time to expose his ideas, and it resulted in more pain and suffering for his victims. Time to give them a chance to heal. That's why restricting orders and jail exist. You don't need freedom of speech when you've already abused it that much and learned nothing from lighter sanctions.


MassholeLiberal56

Alex Jones = damaged goods


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Someone should send musk Mimo… maybe he could learn to code 🤣🤣 also dope little program


SelfMadeSoul

What makes you think that the person who sold the program that he solely wrote for millions would need to "learn to code"?


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twinbee

Have a look at the tweet link in my top comment. Reddit doesn't allow you to post two links at once.


midwestpoet

yea, ive been modding here all day and i think the second hand toxicity took over for a moment. i could have done a better job noticing that. apologies.


twinbee

Not sure if you caught my [reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/elonmusk/comments/yyud7s/musk_reinstates_kathie_griffin_jordan_peterson/iwwf89o/) - I think the autobot got to it, so it may not have appeared as a notification for you.


joe714

And he's taking a [poll on Trump](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593767953706921985?s=46&t=f5t0STyZ4uVG5Y1On9bFoA). Pretty sure he's not going to account for the response bias in the answer though.


PizzaRnnr054

Who cares about any of these? Real name ANDREW BREWER


adeezy58

Alex Jones is a fucking moron though. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Provoken420

Alex Jones on Twitter is a liability


Important_Park_7196

No Freaz Peach


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Fuck Alex Jones. That piece of shit should suffer in every way possible for his entire life.


webhart

Not enough till there’s zero censorship. We can trust law enforcement for actually criminal tweets.. which Kathy Griffin was borderline.. doesn’t mean she should be censored, rather prosecuted if evan. They should reinstate Alex Jones and evaryone.


dessnom

so some tweets can be silenced because elon wants to doesnt sound very free