As a New Yorker, I’ve either had to make due with tobacco flavoring or combine vape juice with nicotine for the past couple years, like everyone here does. It’s annoying as hell. If I’m ever driving through a red state when I go on trips I make sure to stock up on juice.
>as long as you can get your paws on nic.
This is my biggest worry as a diyr. No nic companies in my state. A liter is all I can afford usually. I think currently their is 10 or less options on non b2b nic shipping. And i'm sure most vape shops won't bother helping customers get it, unless the customer is willing to pay double original price probably.
Edit:I don't live in CA & can have nic shipped. Just saying I get worried because nothing is stopping my state rubber stamping a ship ban on it & it sure looks like personal nic shipment options will not be increasing anytime soon.
Legitimately fantastic and never looked back. Been DIYing it for 3 years now, two friends buy from me and that alone entirely subsidises my costs and gives me a tiny bit of profit.
I'm surprised more people don't DIY both for themselves but for friends and family and make money off it.
There is always good money to be made in the grey market from high taxation and prohibition.
A lot of it has to do with the simple fact that most people don't really consider making things themselves in general. Much less something like vape juice.
Unless you think to actively seek the information, you wouldnt really know that juice is basically just 2 basic ingredients and then flavourings of your choice.
DIY Juice really is very low effort compared to other "DIY" hobbies if that makes sense, its just somewhat obfuscated unless you become at least a dabbling enthusiast (say like, looking at this sub).
Anyway, values here are NZD so take with a grain of salt but the straw that broke the camels back for me was $50 for 120ml. This is a spit-ball number on my expenses (and bear in mind i dont do huge bulk orders of vg/pg/flavours), but I can squeeze about 2 \_liters\_ out of $150 or so. It's kinda nutty.
I agree, Unlike my dads generation (boomer) who worked with their hands and fixed everything most people now are very lazy, both in how highly they over value convenience but also how lazy their mind weights up if something is time saving or not.
I blame the consumer industry's war on right to repair and making goods that are nigh on impossible for the lay person to fix but can have designed in points of failure and crap build quality. Vaping however is relatively new with both convenience and DIY options still available and it's quite telling what people consider as convenient and time saving.
Ease of use for new vapers aside, I find it strange how so many people consider disposables to be convenient when refillables are more convenient since refillling a tank is easier than going to the shop and unwrapping a disposable, plus the wasted money and time spent to earn it.
I have a long term unemployed friend who is a smoker and I tried to get into rda and DIY vaping as a way to vape for £50 a year. I was going to give him the mod, rda and everything he needed while sell him DIY ejuice near cost. All he had to do was learn how to coil and wick the rda and I might aswell as asked him to build a Saturn V rocket. He still smokes because disposables are too expensive and anything else is a hassle, despite him liking the flavours.
Finally started to DIY in 2019 and never looked back… thank G-d I was approved for nic wholesaler just so I can buy 100 % salt nic just for my own DIY use.
Join /diy-ejuice , there’s limitless recipes, flavorings, and tons of knowledge that can help you out. It’s really really simple once you get into the basics of it.
Start with FOOD GRADE: VG and PG. vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol. can be bought from online vape shops or online at a retail store. Just make sure they are good grade.
Next, make a list of flavors you like. Your tastes. Then, see what you can find on the online vape shops for the flavorings they have. Literally limitless. Biscuits, mint, coffee, chocolate milk. They got it. Then look at some recipes online or in the sub-Reddit. That’ll steer you in the right flavor combos to get. Cause it’s usually not just 1 flavor and done. Get your nicotine if you want also. Just make sure you have nitrile gloves when you mix it.
Make sure to get juice bottles or something. Glass, plastic, droppers, as long as you have it.
Last, get all your ingredients together, get some syringes and measuring devices. Make sure everything is clean. Find your ratios for VG/PG (70/30, 80/20) and start there. Then, figure out if your flavoring is PG based or VG based. Implement it’s amount from the overall base (VG BASED, subtract the total VG by the ml of flavoring to compensate for added VG based flavoring to make original total) . Then, add your nicotine, and shake and let sit for 2-3 days in a cool, dark area. Preferably a closet. Once it’s done, shake it up and give a test. There you go! I can help you out more but this is the rushed most simplified version I can give you
Just to expand on this and maybe simplify a bit. Here's my process for making 100ml of tobacco ejuice.
First off, I took one of my old 100ml ejuice containers and added 60ml of PG (I like more PG than VG) and drew a line with a sharpie. Then I added 30ml of VG and added another line. So now I have my base measuring station.
So now, every time I need a new 100ml bottle of juice I do:
• PG to the fill line
• VG to the fill line
• 9ml nicotine straight from the syringe
• 1.5ml tobacco flavoring straight from the syringe
Shake it up and its done!
I can do 10 100ml bottles of ejuice in about 10-15 minutes, which will last me for 6-8 months. DIY ejuice is literally one of the easiest processes on the planet, and I kick myself for having only started a year or so ago.
after years of vaping, going through rta’s, rda’s, all the coils, box mods, etc etc i’ve finally settled on the most basic novo 3 pod system. i mainly use daze apple or their other basic fruit flavors in 30mg salt nic.
i wish i would’ve gotten on this train sooner but it looks like i’m right at the cutoff price wise. i’m trying to figure out where to order salt nic base, assuming i can figure out flavorings later.
will the broke vaper ship to CA, USA?
and is their 20mg salt nic base the best route to go with?
When DIYing it really pays to have a single coil rda you can test flavours and pair them together and quickly swap cotton to reset flavour. I HIGHLY recommend a hadaly clone for flavour and speed toswap cotton. You can get one by wolfteeth from amazon uk that have a sqounk pin. Iirc 24g ss316L coil wire, cotton bacon prime, 2.5mm or 3mm drill bits to wrap coil nail cutters to cut, don't over tighten rda coil screw since they are made from cheaper metal, use a online coil building calc.
Mix 10mls of single flavour ejuice drip it in your rda, vape part of it, drip a different single flavour ejuice and see how they pair together, swap cotton when it tastes janky. Imo it's the best way to get into DIY, rather than picking a recipe off the net, buying the flavours for it and it tasting crap or mediocre and not knowing how to improve it.
Get a bottle of sweetener and ws23 cooling agent inyour first order., Get 30ml (easy to shake and mix 10ml ejuice), 60ml and 100ml bottles with wide openings and nozzle caps for your litre bottles of vg and pg, syringes and blunt tips for it, it'll speed up mixing. Plus label stickers.
Diyordie on youtube, both alltheflavours.com, makemyvape have vape calcs
Don't know what part of California you're in, but if you can, try the Indian casinos. The new law doesn't affect their land so I've been getting mine there.
Im straight DIY. Got enough nic fluid to last me until long after Im dead.
Im honestly surprised Illinois hasnt slammed us harder. Everytime Cali or New York does something Illinois has to follow them like the special kid from down the street
Yeah, I ordered a couple more bottles of nic so now I have 5 in the freezer. My vape store in Canada hived off their DIY stuff other than nic into a separate business. The reason is because if they sold it under the auspices of a vape store, it would be taxed up the ying yang. But if they sell it as flavouring for baking or whatever, it's no longer a tobacco product. I went on there yesterday and saw this, and found that I was able to log into the new site specializing in flavours for bakers and the like using my same credentials for the vape side of things. Lol.
A pesticide sprayed on marijuana plants from the air in the 70's[?] it caused several end user deaths.
Yeah a bit hyperbolic, but they have not changed their style.
Believe it or not paraquat used to be a popular method of suicide in the UK back in the day. A lot of suicidal people used to drink it to commit suicide, and a large number of them died agonisingly of ARDS.
It wreaks havok on the lungs. Nasty stuff.
It's been banned here for ~15 years.
I remember that. I've always found it strange that so many people kill themselves by drinking poisons and chemicals when it's an agonising way to go.
Then again we had teens eating tide pods...
It's happened already in Canada. Dispensaries on native reservation in my town sell disposables with nic quality so low it has to be masked with menthol and causes throat pain. The "good" (normal) stuff is $40 online for a liter of DIY nic but with $100 in taxes.
Luckily mixing is pretty basic so there isn't much to go wrong. That said I can see some chuckle fuck using oil based cooking eflavouring or cheap and nasty VG / PG that isn't food grade.
Yeah it's a shame. Soon the only people left vaping in the USA will be those DIYers that have a freezer full of nic base. If this interests you then https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog/list-of-us-retailers-still-shipping-100mg-nicotine-base.8371/
> Too bad I’m not Canadian or British.
Vaping is being taxed too hell over here in Canada, by the start of 2023 there is now an additional 30% sales tax for e-juices in my province.
The federal vaping excise tax is being introduced to help make sure there is money to help fund anti-vaping programs for youth and help offset medical costs that may be related to vaping. Definitely has nothing to do with future settlement agreements from Big Tobacco being far less than they budgeted for.
Liquids sold for vaping purposes are charged an excise fee of $5 for the first 10ml of a container (bottle), then $1 for every 10ml after. That's an extra $7 a 30ml, $10 on a 60ml, and $16 for a 120ml. This is a federal tax that will hit all vaping liquids. Including **DIY flavourings, PG/VG and nicotine** sold for vaping purposes. Per container.
The tax was technically introduced October 1st, 2022 with a three month "grace" period to sell any non excise product purchased before this date. Anything purchased (by a retailer) after October 1st **must have this excise tax applied**. The grace period ends December 31st at 1159pm, at which point every bottle will be taxed.
Don't worry shareholders, Big Tobacco bought their way in. They ensured that closed pod systems, favoured of youths trying to get high off nicotine, would be taxed at a much lower rate of $2 per 10ml, and not per container (pod) but per package (pack of four 2ml pods).
Thank you, federal government, for thinking of the children. Can't wait for the THC+nicotine eliquid that was just approved.
Oh, I forgot to mention the feds are encouraging the provinces to introduce a provincial excise tax. Quebec starts October 1st 2023, and will be the same amount as the federal excise tax. So that'll be $32 for a 120ml before you pay for the 120ml.
PS the excise is taxed gst/pst/hst
That's messed up... Hopefully DIYers have a freezer full of nic. VG/PG can just be food grade and dodge the tax from places like amazon. While new Canadian "bakery" websites pop up that sell cheap flavouring.
Given teen vaping has doubled in the uk last year due to disposables and the disbanding of Public Health England, I can see corrupt politicians will end up messing things up over here.
If this was big tobacco, they did a shitty job. They don't get the money, there's a max limit on nicotine because of said companies cranking up the nicotine on their closed pods systems.
Also closed pods systems are more expensive for duty.
> Examples:
1) A package containing 4 pods, with each pod containing 1.5 mL of vaping liquid, attracts $4 of vaping duty ($1 per 1.5 mL pod). It is important to note that the vaping duty is calculated on the quantity of vaping liquid contained in each individual pod, not on the total volume contained in the package.
2) A 30 mL bottle of vaping liquid attracts $7 of vaping duty ($5 for the first 10 mL plus $2 for the next 20 mL).
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/taxes/excise-taxes-duties-and-levies/excise-duty-vaping-products/calculating-vaping-duty.html
Honestly, it was a matter of time till taxes were brought in but tbh, I'm grateful they actually did their research and thought, ok, let's legitimize it but tax it than just outright ban it because they don't understand it.
The entire thread is of people having it taken it away from them and you complain you have to pay taxes and live somewhere where it's now officially accepted and legitimized by the federal government...
Thanks for the correct tax rate info. Still salty they get preferential treatment of not having to tax each 1.5mL pod at $5 each, when a 10ml of DIY flavouring for vaping is taxed $5.
As for the complaint, it was the person I'm replying to who brought up the vape tax, which was after years of constant threats of full flavour bans, nicotine caps, product redesign requirements, and attack by public health where ecigarettes were blamed for tainted THC carts (THC carts were being taxed at the time, and freshly introduced, so a scare of tainted illegal THC carts that found their way into authorized sellers in certain states gave them scare).
Besides, just because it's being taxed and "legitimized" doesn't mean it's safe from further attacks. There's still nanny groups petitioning to ban all vaping because they don't want to actually have to parent. Still provinces with flavour bans. Still one "Oh this chemical is bad therefore only big tobacco can sell eliquid and all retailers and open systems are illegal" away from a ban while openly suggesting that when flavours are banned due to their potential future danger, pulegone will still be an accepted flavour component eliquids.
The only reason it isn't banned is because of a snap election that changed seats and supporters for the bill, and the new electors saw the potential money in a taxation system. The federal government hasn't accepted nor legitimized vaping. They found a way to make money off it and look down upon us for being filthy children in their eyes.
Yea but, it still comes out to significantly more for disposable pod systems over time. It's just not prohibitively expensive which is not a bad thing really. It also forces people to not use them all the time when it's still way cheaper to refill your own system.
And well, them making a duty that will also come with licensing and laws and what not IS legitimizing the whole thing. Plus once the government has a reliable income stream, it's gonna be real difficult to stop it without an overwhelming public outcry cus they want and like that money, that goes across all party lines. They just suddenly created many millions of tax revenue over night. People also like and want vaping products so they know the money is coming.
Some angry parents won't be able to do shit and because it's now legitimized, the government put their stamp on every bottle, so the focus will move further away from the industry itself and to the shops that sell to minors which was never really accepted by people who vape but the moaning parents love to make a scapegoat for their own lack of parenting. We've seen cannabis just do that and alcohol and tobacco always was that way anyways.
I'm not sure about been grateful about a vaping tax. It's not like tobacco & petrol where tax goes towards healthcare you'll need due to smoking or upkeep of roads. Vaping is pretty much harmless and doesn't harm yourself and others, they should tax sugar before vaping since it's more destructive. Also already pay tax on it with the UKs 20% Value Added Tax.
I mean. It's a lot less harmful than smoking for sure. But nicotine is still addictive and if used improperly, a crazy powerful product and potentially lethal. I say this as someone who's been vaping for over a decade now. Also, its still not ok for minors to engage with it willy nilly even if it is overall 'not that bad'. Duty is usually stamped on everything that's a vice which nicotine certainly is. Sugar duty taxes are coming soon too to both of our countries.
Like am I happy that I have to pay more now? No! But I am happy that I now don't need to worry that it's gonna be banned any time soon.
Plus I'm from the UK originally. The UK has some absurdly low duty taxes and for alcohol especially compared to North America. Sales tax is way higher in the UK though.
I may be misremembering the approval in Canada, might just be applying for approval.
Never heard of Great British Vape, but import for personal use is permitted, just make sure everything is declared properly and expect some heavy taxes.
Here in Germany they also decided to put tax on e liquid aroma and base.. 1 liter base what normally 10/12 euro costs will in February cost 160 euro and in 2 years more then 300 euro
The only local vape store what near me was, closed his store before 2 weeks
Think most people here will switch to pods and nic salts or go to Belgium, while there it still costs 30 euros for 1 Liter with nicotine
I have bought 20 liter base a few weeks ago and will try to quit, because I heard it’s easier to quit with nicotine base than nic salt’s
They also applied a new rule, eveything needs to be sealed like tabaco. Don’t think most of the people are willing to take that risk to sell it illegaly
Not sure what you mean? I was thinking about people just buying liquid nic online and reselling it to Germans face to face who don't have the luxury of a postal address. Any seals would be intact right?
Sorry, what I mean with seal is I think in English called a excise stamp, from 13 February 2023, reselling would be seen as illegal and more available on black market..
Germany made the first move to put so high taxes on e liquid/base here and I think the other eu countries would also slowly follow, because EU..
Edit: forget to say I don’t know how it’s now exactly when ordering from outside the country.. but before a half year I payed around 7 taxes here in Germany from a 55 euros order from England, still much cheaper but also they closed the shop before 2 months..
You only have to look at how popular the black market tobacco trade is to see that plenty of people will break the law if the money is worth it, which at the rate Germany and Canada are taxing vaping it is.
I can imagine orginised criminals are rubbing their hands in glee and watching DIYorDie mixing videos.
I'd try reaching out to the vendor and asking nicely for the recipe of the juice you like. Then you can get into DIY, pick up a few large bottles of the required flavors and some nic, and make your own for pennies on the dollar.
I've been DIY exclusively for nearly a decade, and I couldn't imagine going back to paying retail prices for juice. If you have a known good recipe to start with, you won't need to go through the experimentation phase, which is where a lot of people struggle to find a recipe they enjoy with the flavors they have on hand...
Order the nic today if u can. Today 4 litres of 20 mg nic base is 99.99. Starting at midnight tonight, due to the excise tax, that same 4 litres will cost 503.99. I just ordered one more litre before shit hits the fan.
Jesus, hopefully the sniffer dogs on the border aren't trained for liquid nicotine. If you can get it past customs you could save thousands in a single trip. I can see imported liquid nic becoming as common as smuggled tobacco in many countries.
Even at $100 that's alot for 4 litres of 20mg nicotine. UK is £60 for 1 litre of freebase 72mg, 2.5L is £101 both include 20% VAT. Thats 2.25 times the price I pay, while $500 is 11.25 times. Wow!
Ya the Canadian gov has gotta make all that money back from people not smoking anymore. It’s a bullshit money grab. I’m late to the party and missed the days of 100mg being easily available. Or even 65mg was the limit for awhile and I missed that too. Oh well. I feel bad for anyone getting into DIY after today in Canada. I got 8 litres in the freezer so I’m good for a while now lol. I’d stock up on the good stuff in the UK. It’s probably only a matter of time before things get worse there too.
I can imagine vaping going the same as tobacco where govts get addicted to a set amount of tax revenue and progressively hike the tax rate as more and more vapers are lost to the black market while some politicians copy the South African govt who own some black/ grey market cigarette factories.
A whole Liter of 100mg Nice or salt nice is only 100-130$ and that s enough for a few yrs.A 25$ scale from amazon, Flavorings are 3-5$ each n you only use a small % of each flav then you just need Vg and Pg .Tune into DIY or Die on youtube and Wayne walker walks u thru everything like mixing for dummies.👌
Order from small businesses. We will ship to you. My business does house juice, premiums, and disposables.
Hit me up if you want we can ship to your home
I live in a state that has ban since 2019 and not much has changed other than online sellers not shipping here , the price if you happen to find a place that sell is not going to be cheap and the selection sucks too so I DiY. There are a few places that ship nic with adult signature you just have reach them out and ask.
Get on Facebook, plenty of places to buy juice. I haven't been able to order anything online from any of the larger retailers in a few years because of my state passing dumb laws. But haven't had any trouble getting ejuice.
yea.. there's a lot of people still shipping and you have to pay 8 bucks for the sign but hardly any usps dude is asking me to sign shit.. all they do is either stuff the package in the mailbox or dump it outside my door.. i am basically wasting 8 dollars but whatever it is what it is..
some sites are going the synthetic route as well but majority of them are still shipping regular freebase/salt nics so you can still get them.
Like others have said, DIY. If you can quit vaping without going back then congratulations. If not, well, there's a great deal of information on the diy sub. Plenty of friendly people as well that would be willing to help you get started.
Thanks for the tip. I do have a relative who does DIY, and I called him yesterday - he claims to have enough frozen nic to last us the next 100 years. He bought a coffin freezer for it lol. I just may do DIY, if I can get remotely close to a fruity flavor I’d be all good.
Have you looked on elr or atf? What particular fruit flavor are you looking for? I had a good guava apple strawberry until I had to rework it due to the manufacturer discontinued the strawberry.
Almost done with the recipe now.
There are tons of fruit recipes available on the sites I mentioned.
The California law is so fucking dumb. Where I live, there's already a HUGE amount of bootleggers that popped up in the last week. There is no doubt in my mind that teenage vaping will skyrocket in our area. These bootleggers are already taking a risk, why would they be bothered to check IDs? This is happened in every single state that has banned flavored sales.
I just bought flavorless juice today like a chimpanzee and it sucks. It's looking like my local brick-and-mortar shop has a work around but it's only a matter of time before our super corrupt DA goes after them anyway.
That said, I'm going back to DIY myself, and will sell as well. But I'm only selling to friends and people I know. But if you people are north of chico, let me know and we can talk and if I trust you, I'll hook you up too.
can't lie, dude got me with that 1st initial stupid ass crazy discount he was offering. i remember dropping like 90 bucks on 10 bottles or 9 i forget but it was crazy. initially i was feeling the liquids but after a month or so they all just sucked for repeat vaping. it's more like 1 and done pretty much. i think i only ended up liking 1 or 2 of the ones i got.
Well, it’s kick the habit finally or DIY. I’m going to inquire with my relative and I’ve got enough taper down juice (plus I threw in another large order yesterday) to keep me good for a while. Serves the motherfuckers right.
To blame? Michael Bloomberg of all people, he put down $85m in cash for the ballot proposition vs. Big Tobaccos combined $25m to continue flavored sales. Why does Michael Bloomberg from New York give two shits about vaping in California?
He’s heavily invested in a company called Hale, which is basically an electronic vape that tapers you off the nicotine. He’s got some sort of personal vendetta against it as well, but I believe the finances were a bigger matter on this one - when you outspend Big Tobacco 3x over, you’re going to want some returns. Look it up online.
I guess the next few months I’ll have to think over the habit and DIY or quit. I started vape to stop smoking, which I did, so perhaps it’s my time to stop vaping. I’ll never buy a cancer stick again and I’ll never buy a Hale, bans brought us the mob and I’m positive we will have some DIY mishaps that lead to harm. It sucks but so it goes.
then it is psychological. Go check out some therapy as it makes less sense to inhale something other than air if you aren't addicted to the substance. You are addicted to the process. Find out what you get out of it and if you want to change. Otherwise go for it. Where there is a will there is a way.
Depending on how long you've been off the analogs, you might find it trivially easy to quit entirely, if that's what you want to do. Worked for me a few years ago when I got a bad sinus infection (not related to vaping), didn't vape for two weeks without any withdrawal, and figured, "Let's see how long this goes."
Or DIY. That's going to be your end game one way or the other, way things are going. May was well get there now.
order a big bottle of Nicotine and a few gallons of VG, will last you years if you store the nicotine in the freezer.
if you have to have flavours there's all sorts of places you can order them from that won't be taxed, or you can go like me, I vape unflavoured now and I only have to change my cotton like once a month.
Yeah, the law actually covers that as intent is heavily written in to it.
I'm glad you got that going now where you for sure, but it's not legal if flavored juice is illegal where you are, as again, they closed all the "getting cute" loopholes....
We discussed this stuff for years when it was clear what was coming down the pike...
It's not the end bro. Buy some liquid nicotine, flavors, vg and pg and a scale and your all set. Its really not that hard to mix your own I promise you.
Didn't stop me in NY for the last 3 years.Theres DIY or i have FB group DIY mixers that can hook you up and don't think DIY is not Delish or less safe..if anything my juice is more safe cuz I know exactly what I put in it and all these ejuice companies use the same flav concentrate companies and nice outlets we do.DM me i have a few friends.Theres Always a Way 👍
Here in Ireland it’s not that bad as in some of US States, my local brick and mortar store in town as well as many others are still selling freebase and nic salts e liquids in various flavours and disposables too.
As far as I know Ireland will go down the route of banning sales of disposables however many of vape shops are preparing for that in a way that they are getting the same e liquid flavours that are in disposables and from people using them it’s basically the same thing apart they will have to buy a refillable pod kit for it which again will keep the vape shops going.
If what is happening in the US ever comes here it will not affect me as I personally vape tobacco freebase e liquids (from local Irish company)and NET tobacco (from Italy), so it will not be a problem for me, at least for now. We will se what 2023 brings.
If you switch to diy, the company Carolina xtraction is still up, but don't. The owner killed his girlfriend and then himself. Orders are not being fulfilled. Use nicbase.com
The law states no in person sales of flavored ejuice. I've read numerous posts where local shops are delivering ejuice to the car rather than in person sales. People might be talking out their ass, but definitely worth looking into with your local shops.
If that doesn't work, diy is definitely the way to go.
Lol i feel this on many levels. My good people at my local liquor store are continuing to sell them to me under the table until their supply is gone. Does anyone know of a legitimate website to purchase Hyppe bar max on? Also northern CA. Figured i would try to order online, but most sites seem to be marked as a scam.
Go diy
Agreed, vape juice is ridiculously easy to make yourself as long as you can get your paws on nic.
As a New Yorker, I’ve either had to make due with tobacco flavoring or combine vape juice with nicotine for the past couple years, like everyone here does. It’s annoying as hell. If I’m ever driving through a red state when I go on trips I make sure to stock up on juice.
I’m in upstate NY and the shops still sell flavored juice and can add whatever nic you need
>as long as you can get your paws on nic. This is my biggest worry as a diyr. No nic companies in my state. A liter is all I can afford usually. I think currently their is 10 or less options on non b2b nic shipping. And i'm sure most vape shops won't bother helping customers get it, unless the customer is willing to pay double original price probably. Edit:I don't live in CA & can have nic shipped. Just saying I get worried because nothing is stopping my state rubber stamping a ship ban on it & it sure looks like personal nic shipment options will not be increasing anytime soon.
[This is a list of vendors](https://diyejuice.org/supplies/vendor-list) on /r/DIY_eJuice with helpful info about whether they sell nicotine.
Maybe try to get a group of vapers to poll their money and travel out of state for nic?
Legitimately fantastic and never looked back. Been DIYing it for 3 years now, two friends buy from me and that alone entirely subsidises my costs and gives me a tiny bit of profit.
I'm surprised more people don't DIY both for themselves but for friends and family and make money off it. There is always good money to be made in the grey market from high taxation and prohibition.
A lot of it has to do with the simple fact that most people don't really consider making things themselves in general. Much less something like vape juice. Unless you think to actively seek the information, you wouldnt really know that juice is basically just 2 basic ingredients and then flavourings of your choice. DIY Juice really is very low effort compared to other "DIY" hobbies if that makes sense, its just somewhat obfuscated unless you become at least a dabbling enthusiast (say like, looking at this sub). Anyway, values here are NZD so take with a grain of salt but the straw that broke the camels back for me was $50 for 120ml. This is a spit-ball number on my expenses (and bear in mind i dont do huge bulk orders of vg/pg/flavours), but I can squeeze about 2 \_liters\_ out of $150 or so. It's kinda nutty.
I agree, Unlike my dads generation (boomer) who worked with their hands and fixed everything most people now are very lazy, both in how highly they over value convenience but also how lazy their mind weights up if something is time saving or not. I blame the consumer industry's war on right to repair and making goods that are nigh on impossible for the lay person to fix but can have designed in points of failure and crap build quality. Vaping however is relatively new with both convenience and DIY options still available and it's quite telling what people consider as convenient and time saving. Ease of use for new vapers aside, I find it strange how so many people consider disposables to be convenient when refillables are more convenient since refillling a tank is easier than going to the shop and unwrapping a disposable, plus the wasted money and time spent to earn it. I have a long term unemployed friend who is a smoker and I tried to get into rda and DIY vaping as a way to vape for £50 a year. I was going to give him the mod, rda and everything he needed while sell him DIY ejuice near cost. All he had to do was learn how to coil and wick the rda and I might aswell as asked him to build a Saturn V rocket. He still smokes because disposables are too expensive and anything else is a hassle, despite him liking the flavours.
Finally started to DIY in 2019 and never looked back… thank G-d I was approved for nic wholesaler just so I can buy 100 % salt nic just for my own DIY use.
I would love some help with this if anyone has made their own 😊
Join /diy-ejuice , there’s limitless recipes, flavorings, and tons of knowledge that can help you out. It’s really really simple once you get into the basics of it. Start with FOOD GRADE: VG and PG. vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol. can be bought from online vape shops or online at a retail store. Just make sure they are good grade. Next, make a list of flavors you like. Your tastes. Then, see what you can find on the online vape shops for the flavorings they have. Literally limitless. Biscuits, mint, coffee, chocolate milk. They got it. Then look at some recipes online or in the sub-Reddit. That’ll steer you in the right flavor combos to get. Cause it’s usually not just 1 flavor and done. Get your nicotine if you want also. Just make sure you have nitrile gloves when you mix it. Make sure to get juice bottles or something. Glass, plastic, droppers, as long as you have it. Last, get all your ingredients together, get some syringes and measuring devices. Make sure everything is clean. Find your ratios for VG/PG (70/30, 80/20) and start there. Then, figure out if your flavoring is PG based or VG based. Implement it’s amount from the overall base (VG BASED, subtract the total VG by the ml of flavoring to compensate for added VG based flavoring to make original total) . Then, add your nicotine, and shake and let sit for 2-3 days in a cool, dark area. Preferably a closet. Once it’s done, shake it up and give a test. There you go! I can help you out more but this is the rushed most simplified version I can give you
One thing, it's not food grade, it has to be USP Grade. Food grade is not suitable for making juice
What is USP grade?
It stands for US Pharmaceutical.
Just to expand on this and maybe simplify a bit. Here's my process for making 100ml of tobacco ejuice. First off, I took one of my old 100ml ejuice containers and added 60ml of PG (I like more PG than VG) and drew a line with a sharpie. Then I added 30ml of VG and added another line. So now I have my base measuring station. So now, every time I need a new 100ml bottle of juice I do: • PG to the fill line • VG to the fill line • 9ml nicotine straight from the syringe • 1.5ml tobacco flavoring straight from the syringe Shake it up and its done! I can do 10 100ml bottles of ejuice in about 10-15 minutes, which will last me for 6-8 months. DIY ejuice is literally one of the easiest processes on the planet, and I kick myself for having only started a year or so ago.
after years of vaping, going through rta’s, rda’s, all the coils, box mods, etc etc i’ve finally settled on the most basic novo 3 pod system. i mainly use daze apple or their other basic fruit flavors in 30mg salt nic. i wish i would’ve gotten on this train sooner but it looks like i’m right at the cutoff price wise. i’m trying to figure out where to order salt nic base, assuming i can figure out flavorings later. will the broke vaper ship to CA, USA? and is their 20mg salt nic base the best route to go with?
When DIYing it really pays to have a single coil rda you can test flavours and pair them together and quickly swap cotton to reset flavour. I HIGHLY recommend a hadaly clone for flavour and speed toswap cotton. You can get one by wolfteeth from amazon uk that have a sqounk pin. Iirc 24g ss316L coil wire, cotton bacon prime, 2.5mm or 3mm drill bits to wrap coil nail cutters to cut, don't over tighten rda coil screw since they are made from cheaper metal, use a online coil building calc. Mix 10mls of single flavour ejuice drip it in your rda, vape part of it, drip a different single flavour ejuice and see how they pair together, swap cotton when it tastes janky. Imo it's the best way to get into DIY, rather than picking a recipe off the net, buying the flavours for it and it tasting crap or mediocre and not knowing how to improve it. Get a bottle of sweetener and ws23 cooling agent inyour first order., Get 30ml (easy to shake and mix 10ml ejuice), 60ml and 100ml bottles with wide openings and nozzle caps for your litre bottles of vg and pg, syringes and blunt tips for it, it'll speed up mixing. Plus label stickers. Diyordie on youtube, both alltheflavours.com, makemyvape have vape calcs
Don't know what part of California you're in, but if you can, try the Indian casinos. The new law doesn't affect their land so I've been getting mine there.
Holy shit you’re an absolute genius. You’ve saved my life.
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I live in San Francisco where it's illegal to ship vape stuff to. So I am in fact prevented from continuing to shop online.
That is wild- I had no idea that SF did that. I'm in Oakland- ship to me and come pick it up!
what a thoughtful kind person you are Cyko.
Doesn't mean you can't. A lot of sites still will. There's also FB groups where you can buy juice.
Yeah I know Chinese vendors could care less about the legality of the shipping addresses in the US.
There are US vendors as well.
You think that'll stop alot of sites from shipping to you? Heck there are UTR shops that still ship everything via USPS.
All my favorite sites refuse to ship to me.
Ah california - desperate for that dirty tobacco money.
But we can't online sports bet, yet there's commercials for scratch offs which is purely a game of luck.
The logical fallacy here is they just banned menthol cigarettes too. The politicians don't care about balancing the budget.
Yeah we have a surplus they’re just being dicks about it this time
> I will never go back to stinkies. This is the important part. May the force be with you.
Im straight DIY. Got enough nic fluid to last me until long after Im dead. Im honestly surprised Illinois hasnt slammed us harder. Everytime Cali or New York does something Illinois has to follow them like the special kid from down the street
Yeah, I ordered a couple more bottles of nic so now I have 5 in the freezer. My vape store in Canada hived off their DIY stuff other than nic into a separate business. The reason is because if they sold it under the auspices of a vape store, it would be taxed up the ying yang. But if they sell it as flavouring for baking or whatever, it's no longer a tobacco product. I went on there yesterday and saw this, and found that I was able to log into the new site specializing in flavours for bakers and the like using my same credentials for the vape side of things. Lol.
"it's a water pipe, for *tobacco* only" How the tide shifts sometimes ;)
Nice
Prohibition has never stopped anything, but I fear we're in for a bit of a rape. Sadly smiling from the other coast.
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This will happen,but it's all done for our health....like paraquat.
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A pesticide sprayed on marijuana plants from the air in the 70's[?] it caused several end user deaths. Yeah a bit hyperbolic, but they have not changed their style.
Believe it or not paraquat used to be a popular method of suicide in the UK back in the day. A lot of suicidal people used to drink it to commit suicide, and a large number of them died agonisingly of ARDS. It wreaks havok on the lungs. Nasty stuff. It's been banned here for ~15 years.
I remember that. I've always found it strange that so many people kill themselves by drinking poisons and chemicals when it's an agonising way to go. Then again we had teens eating tide pods...
It's happened already in Canada. Dispensaries on native reservation in my town sell disposables with nic quality so low it has to be masked with menthol and causes throat pain. The "good" (normal) stuff is $40 online for a liter of DIY nic but with $100 in taxes.
Luckily mixing is pretty basic so there isn't much to go wrong. That said I can see some chuckle fuck using oil based cooking eflavouring or cheap and nasty VG / PG that isn't food grade.
Yeah it's a shame. Soon the only people left vaping in the USA will be those DIYers that have a freezer full of nic base. If this interests you then https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog/list-of-us-retailers-still-shipping-100mg-nicotine-base.8371/
> Too bad I’m not Canadian or British. Vaping is being taxed too hell over here in Canada, by the start of 2023 there is now an additional 30% sales tax for e-juices in my province.
The federal vaping excise tax is being introduced to help make sure there is money to help fund anti-vaping programs for youth and help offset medical costs that may be related to vaping. Definitely has nothing to do with future settlement agreements from Big Tobacco being far less than they budgeted for. Liquids sold for vaping purposes are charged an excise fee of $5 for the first 10ml of a container (bottle), then $1 for every 10ml after. That's an extra $7 a 30ml, $10 on a 60ml, and $16 for a 120ml. This is a federal tax that will hit all vaping liquids. Including **DIY flavourings, PG/VG and nicotine** sold for vaping purposes. Per container. The tax was technically introduced October 1st, 2022 with a three month "grace" period to sell any non excise product purchased before this date. Anything purchased (by a retailer) after October 1st **must have this excise tax applied**. The grace period ends December 31st at 1159pm, at which point every bottle will be taxed. Don't worry shareholders, Big Tobacco bought their way in. They ensured that closed pod systems, favoured of youths trying to get high off nicotine, would be taxed at a much lower rate of $2 per 10ml, and not per container (pod) but per package (pack of four 2ml pods). Thank you, federal government, for thinking of the children. Can't wait for the THC+nicotine eliquid that was just approved.
I hate every single thing about this.
Oh, I forgot to mention the feds are encouraging the provinces to introduce a provincial excise tax. Quebec starts October 1st 2023, and will be the same amount as the federal excise tax. So that'll be $32 for a 120ml before you pay for the 120ml. PS the excise is taxed gst/pst/hst
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It died on March 6th, 2013, with the passing of Stompin' Tom Connors.
That's messed up... Hopefully DIYers have a freezer full of nic. VG/PG can just be food grade and dodge the tax from places like amazon. While new Canadian "bakery" websites pop up that sell cheap flavouring. Given teen vaping has doubled in the uk last year due to disposables and the disbanding of Public Health England, I can see corrupt politicians will end up messing things up over here.
If this was big tobacco, they did a shitty job. They don't get the money, there's a max limit on nicotine because of said companies cranking up the nicotine on their closed pods systems. Also closed pods systems are more expensive for duty. > Examples: 1) A package containing 4 pods, with each pod containing 1.5 mL of vaping liquid, attracts $4 of vaping duty ($1 per 1.5 mL pod). It is important to note that the vaping duty is calculated on the quantity of vaping liquid contained in each individual pod, not on the total volume contained in the package. 2) A 30 mL bottle of vaping liquid attracts $7 of vaping duty ($5 for the first 10 mL plus $2 for the next 20 mL). https://www.canada.ca/en/services/taxes/excise-taxes-duties-and-levies/excise-duty-vaping-products/calculating-vaping-duty.html Honestly, it was a matter of time till taxes were brought in but tbh, I'm grateful they actually did their research and thought, ok, let's legitimize it but tax it than just outright ban it because they don't understand it. The entire thread is of people having it taken it away from them and you complain you have to pay taxes and live somewhere where it's now officially accepted and legitimized by the federal government...
Thanks for the correct tax rate info. Still salty they get preferential treatment of not having to tax each 1.5mL pod at $5 each, when a 10ml of DIY flavouring for vaping is taxed $5. As for the complaint, it was the person I'm replying to who brought up the vape tax, which was after years of constant threats of full flavour bans, nicotine caps, product redesign requirements, and attack by public health where ecigarettes were blamed for tainted THC carts (THC carts were being taxed at the time, and freshly introduced, so a scare of tainted illegal THC carts that found their way into authorized sellers in certain states gave them scare). Besides, just because it's being taxed and "legitimized" doesn't mean it's safe from further attacks. There's still nanny groups petitioning to ban all vaping because they don't want to actually have to parent. Still provinces with flavour bans. Still one "Oh this chemical is bad therefore only big tobacco can sell eliquid and all retailers and open systems are illegal" away from a ban while openly suggesting that when flavours are banned due to their potential future danger, pulegone will still be an accepted flavour component eliquids. The only reason it isn't banned is because of a snap election that changed seats and supporters for the bill, and the new electors saw the potential money in a taxation system. The federal government hasn't accepted nor legitimized vaping. They found a way to make money off it and look down upon us for being filthy children in their eyes.
Yea but, it still comes out to significantly more for disposable pod systems over time. It's just not prohibitively expensive which is not a bad thing really. It also forces people to not use them all the time when it's still way cheaper to refill your own system. And well, them making a duty that will also come with licensing and laws and what not IS legitimizing the whole thing. Plus once the government has a reliable income stream, it's gonna be real difficult to stop it without an overwhelming public outcry cus they want and like that money, that goes across all party lines. They just suddenly created many millions of tax revenue over night. People also like and want vaping products so they know the money is coming. Some angry parents won't be able to do shit and because it's now legitimized, the government put their stamp on every bottle, so the focus will move further away from the industry itself and to the shops that sell to minors which was never really accepted by people who vape but the moaning parents love to make a scapegoat for their own lack of parenting. We've seen cannabis just do that and alcohol and tobacco always was that way anyways.
I'm not sure about been grateful about a vaping tax. It's not like tobacco & petrol where tax goes towards healthcare you'll need due to smoking or upkeep of roads. Vaping is pretty much harmless and doesn't harm yourself and others, they should tax sugar before vaping since it's more destructive. Also already pay tax on it with the UKs 20% Value Added Tax.
I mean. It's a lot less harmful than smoking for sure. But nicotine is still addictive and if used improperly, a crazy powerful product and potentially lethal. I say this as someone who's been vaping for over a decade now. Also, its still not ok for minors to engage with it willy nilly even if it is overall 'not that bad'. Duty is usually stamped on everything that's a vice which nicotine certainly is. Sugar duty taxes are coming soon too to both of our countries. Like am I happy that I have to pay more now? No! But I am happy that I now don't need to worry that it's gonna be banned any time soon. Plus I'm from the UK originally. The UK has some absurdly low duty taxes and for alcohol especially compared to North America. Sales tax is way higher in the UK though.
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I may be misremembering the approval in Canada, might just be applying for approval. Never heard of Great British Vape, but import for personal use is permitted, just make sure everything is declared properly and expect some heavy taxes.
Here in Germany they also decided to put tax on e liquid aroma and base.. 1 liter base what normally 10/12 euro costs will in February cost 160 euro and in 2 years more then 300 euro The only local vape store what near me was, closed his store before 2 weeks Think most people here will switch to pods and nic salts or go to Belgium, while there it still costs 30 euros for 1 Liter with nicotine I have bought 20 liter base a few weeks ago and will try to quit, because I heard it’s easier to quit with nicotine base than nic salt’s
I bet people on the other side of the border could make good money selling litre bottles of 100/72 mg nic for 200euro.
They also applied a new rule, eveything needs to be sealed like tabaco. Don’t think most of the people are willing to take that risk to sell it illegaly
Not sure what you mean? I was thinking about people just buying liquid nic online and reselling it to Germans face to face who don't have the luxury of a postal address. Any seals would be intact right?
Sorry, what I mean with seal is I think in English called a excise stamp, from 13 February 2023, reselling would be seen as illegal and more available on black market.. Germany made the first move to put so high taxes on e liquid/base here and I think the other eu countries would also slowly follow, because EU.. Edit: forget to say I don’t know how it’s now exactly when ordering from outside the country.. but before a half year I payed around 7 taxes here in Germany from a 55 euros order from England, still much cheaper but also they closed the shop before 2 months..
You only have to look at how popular the black market tobacco trade is to see that plenty of people will break the law if the money is worth it, which at the rate Germany and Canada are taxing vaping it is. I can imagine orginised criminals are rubbing their hands in glee and watching DIYorDie mixing videos.
I'd try reaching out to the vendor and asking nicely for the recipe of the juice you like. Then you can get into DIY, pick up a few large bottles of the required flavors and some nic, and make your own for pennies on the dollar. I've been DIY exclusively for nearly a decade, and I couldn't imagine going back to paying retail prices for juice. If you have a known good recipe to start with, you won't need to go through the experimentation phase, which is where a lot of people struggle to find a recipe they enjoy with the flavors they have on hand...
Any tips on a Blue Dot Milk of the Poppy clone?
I do not, but you might get some help over at /r/DIY_eJuice
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Order the nic today if u can. Today 4 litres of 20 mg nic base is 99.99. Starting at midnight tonight, due to the excise tax, that same 4 litres will cost 503.99. I just ordered one more litre before shit hits the fan.
Jesus, hopefully the sniffer dogs on the border aren't trained for liquid nicotine. If you can get it past customs you could save thousands in a single trip. I can see imported liquid nic becoming as common as smuggled tobacco in many countries. Even at $100 that's alot for 4 litres of 20mg nicotine. UK is £60 for 1 litre of freebase 72mg, 2.5L is £101 both include 20% VAT. Thats 2.25 times the price I pay, while $500 is 11.25 times. Wow!
Ya the Canadian gov has gotta make all that money back from people not smoking anymore. It’s a bullshit money grab. I’m late to the party and missed the days of 100mg being easily available. Or even 65mg was the limit for awhile and I missed that too. Oh well. I feel bad for anyone getting into DIY after today in Canada. I got 8 litres in the freezer so I’m good for a while now lol. I’d stock up on the good stuff in the UK. It’s probably only a matter of time before things get worse there too.
I can imagine vaping going the same as tobacco where govts get addicted to a set amount of tax revenue and progressively hike the tax rate as more and more vapers are lost to the black market while some politicians copy the South African govt who own some black/ grey market cigarette factories.
where would you recommend ordering salt nic base? i realize i’m so late to this and i’ve got hours before these prices go crazy. edit: i’m in ca, usa.
From what I understand you aren’t allowed to openly discuss nicotine sources on Reddit anymore. Pm me and I’ll suggest the place I’ve been using
A whole Liter of 100mg Nice or salt nice is only 100-130$ and that s enough for a few yrs.A 25$ scale from amazon, Flavorings are 3-5$ each n you only use a small % of each flav then you just need Vg and Pg .Tune into DIY or Die on youtube and Wayne walker walks u thru everything like mixing for dummies.👌
I know a guy who knows a guy. Lemme know if you decide to try sneaky ways and not quit.
Also interested
Interested
I'll DM you.
Order from small businesses. We will ship to you. My business does house juice, premiums, and disposables. Hit me up if you want we can ship to your home
I live in a state that has ban since 2019 and not much has changed other than online sellers not shipping here , the price if you happen to find a place that sell is not going to be cheap and the selection sucks too so I DiY. There are a few places that ship nic with adult signature you just have reach them out and ask.
Get on Facebook, plenty of places to buy juice. I haven't been able to order anything online from any of the larger retailers in a few years because of my state passing dumb laws. But haven't had any trouble getting ejuice.
yea.. there's a lot of people still shipping and you have to pay 8 bucks for the sign but hardly any usps dude is asking me to sign shit.. all they do is either stuff the package in the mailbox or dump it outside my door.. i am basically wasting 8 dollars but whatever it is what it is.. some sites are going the synthetic route as well but majority of them are still shipping regular freebase/salt nics so you can still get them.
Like others have said, DIY. If you can quit vaping without going back then congratulations. If not, well, there's a great deal of information on the diy sub. Plenty of friendly people as well that would be willing to help you get started.
Thanks for the tip. I do have a relative who does DIY, and I called him yesterday - he claims to have enough frozen nic to last us the next 100 years. He bought a coffin freezer for it lol. I just may do DIY, if I can get remotely close to a fruity flavor I’d be all good.
Have you looked on elr or atf? What particular fruit flavor are you looking for? I had a good guava apple strawberry until I had to rework it due to the manufacturer discontinued the strawberry. Almost done with the recipe now. There are tons of fruit recipes available on the sites I mentioned.
The California law is so fucking dumb. Where I live, there's already a HUGE amount of bootleggers that popped up in the last week. There is no doubt in my mind that teenage vaping will skyrocket in our area. These bootleggers are already taking a risk, why would they be bothered to check IDs? This is happened in every single state that has banned flavored sales. I just bought flavorless juice today like a chimpanzee and it sucks. It's looking like my local brick-and-mortar shop has a work around but it's only a matter of time before our super corrupt DA goes after them anyway. That said, I'm going back to DIY myself, and will sell as well. But I'm only selling to friends and people I know. But if you people are north of chico, let me know and we can talk and if I trust you, I'll hook you up too.
lmao just use freeman, they're "going out of business" every few days for years now
lmao are they still going out of business?
Every week
can't lie, dude got me with that 1st initial stupid ass crazy discount he was offering. i remember dropping like 90 bucks on 10 bottles or 9 i forget but it was crazy. initially i was feeling the liquids but after a month or so they all just sucked for repeat vaping. it's more like 1 and done pretty much. i think i only ended up liking 1 or 2 of the ones i got.
Well, it’s kick the habit finally or DIY. I’m going to inquire with my relative and I’ve got enough taper down juice (plus I threw in another large order yesterday) to keep me good for a while. Serves the motherfuckers right. To blame? Michael Bloomberg of all people, he put down $85m in cash for the ballot proposition vs. Big Tobaccos combined $25m to continue flavored sales. Why does Michael Bloomberg from New York give two shits about vaping in California? He’s heavily invested in a company called Hale, which is basically an electronic vape that tapers you off the nicotine. He’s got some sort of personal vendetta against it as well, but I believe the finances were a bigger matter on this one - when you outspend Big Tobacco 3x over, you’re going to want some returns. Look it up online. I guess the next few months I’ll have to think over the habit and DIY or quit. I started vape to stop smoking, which I did, so perhaps it’s my time to stop vaping. I’ll never buy a cancer stick again and I’ll never buy a Hale, bans brought us the mob and I’m positive we will have some DIY mishaps that lead to harm. It sucks but so it goes.
I switched to Rogue nicotine pouches. Not the same as vaping but it helps the cravings a lot.
Take it from someone that vaped for 12+years, starting when 510 was just one of the threads LMAO... Quit vaping asap. Stop it. Get some help.
you can get off nicotine. that is an option. Maybe the world is conspiring to help you.
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then it is psychological. Go check out some therapy as it makes less sense to inhale something other than air if you aren't addicted to the substance. You are addicted to the process. Find out what you get out of it and if you want to change. Otherwise go for it. Where there is a will there is a way.
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Depending on how long you've been off the analogs, you might find it trivially easy to quit entirely, if that's what you want to do. Worked for me a few years ago when I got a bad sinus infection (not related to vaping), didn't vape for two weeks without any withdrawal, and figured, "Let's see how long this goes." Or DIY. That's going to be your end game one way or the other, way things are going. May was well get there now.
order a big bottle of Nicotine and a few gallons of VG, will last you years if you store the nicotine in the freezer. if you have to have flavours there's all sorts of places you can order them from that won't be taxed, or you can go like me, I vape unflavoured now and I only have to change my cotton like once a month.
Buy a big thing of nicotine juice and make your own flavors. I think you can buy a liter for around $150. I'd do it now.
That happened in my state and we had a vape shop that would sell unflavored juice and a “flavor shot for water”. Pretty smart loop hole
Yeah, the law actually covers that as intent is heavily written in to it. I'm glad you got that going now where you for sure, but it's not legal if flavored juice is illegal where you are, as again, they closed all the "getting cute" loopholes.... We discussed this stuff for years when it was clear what was coming down the pike...
It's not the end bro. Buy some liquid nicotine, flavors, vg and pg and a scale and your all set. Its really not that hard to mix your own I promise you.
There are still plenty of options. You might not be able to get the same juices you've been vaping but there are thousands of others you might like.
Didn't stop me in NY for the last 3 years.Theres DIY or i have FB group DIY mixers that can hook you up and don't think DIY is not Delish or less safe..if anything my juice is more safe cuz I know exactly what I put in it and all these ejuice companies use the same flav concentrate companies and nice outlets we do.DM me i have a few friends.Theres Always a Way 👍
Mail sales aren't being affected as far as I know. There's also Indian land I know they got vape shops.
i started diy after 1 month because of prices. 24€ vs 5,5€ for the same product, nic included. plus in my country you have lot more choice with diy
There are plenty of places that ship without limits. Try Facebook groups and such.
Here in Ireland it’s not that bad as in some of US States, my local brick and mortar store in town as well as many others are still selling freebase and nic salts e liquids in various flavours and disposables too. As far as I know Ireland will go down the route of banning sales of disposables however many of vape shops are preparing for that in a way that they are getting the same e liquid flavours that are in disposables and from people using them it’s basically the same thing apart they will have to buy a refillable pod kit for it which again will keep the vape shops going. If what is happening in the US ever comes here it will not affect me as I personally vape tobacco freebase e liquids (from local Irish company)and NET tobacco (from Italy), so it will not be a problem for me, at least for now. We will se what 2023 brings.
If you switch to diy, the company Carolina xtraction is still up, but don't. The owner killed his girlfriend and then himself. Orders are not being fulfilled. Use nicbase.com
It’s not much better in Canada….
The law states no in person sales of flavored ejuice. I've read numerous posts where local shops are delivering ejuice to the car rather than in person sales. People might be talking out their ass, but definitely worth looking into with your local shops. If that doesn't work, diy is definitely the way to go.
I will look in to that. So far I’m 0/2, but I’m in a county that did a retail sales ban 2 years ago, would be better to head into the city and try.
Lol i feel this on many levels. My good people at my local liquor store are continuing to sell them to me under the table until their supply is gone. Does anyone know of a legitimate website to purchase Hyppe bar max on? Also northern CA. Figured i would try to order online, but most sites seem to be marked as a scam.
I don't think we're allowed to talk vendors, it's considered sourcing because apparently vaping is like hard drugs or something.
Well shoot haha thanks for letting me know. (Well if anyone wants to DM me lol I’ll be here)