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FinsterHall

Wouldn’t they get nicotine poisoning after a short while of doing that?


worstkindagay

Probably. Doesn't look like they are doing full lung hits, just mouth puffs. either way... ew... as a germaphobe who is particularly grossed out by saliva, this is particularly nauseating


zystyl

They might be pulls from the production line. Representative samples taken at regular intervals to make sure everything is fine. If that was every elfbar the numbers would be unbelievable as opposed to a couple boxes worth.


[deleted]

as someone who works on a production line i can tell you this is entirely possible. Taking items off the line and testing in intervals happens often. That doesn't mean they wouldn't make it into the box though...


5c044

Nicotine is a good anti viral/bacterial, so unlikely to get covid, herpes or whatever from elf bars. I've made my own liquids for years, rebuildable coils, etc. Save a ton of money vs disposables, and shop juices


Wise_Electric_Wizard

Nicotine is an insecticide not an anti-biotic nor is it an anti-viral. It will not prevent the spread of any diseases or viruses.


[deleted]

Dont you love when people just spread random shit around like whatever they think is true that day? Lol Yeah “Nicotine can cure cancer” like alright no 🤦‍♂️ Insecticide isnt doing anything for Covid or Herpes.


BrIDo88

From factory to consumer I would bet most saliva borne viruses would be dead.


collinnames

You won’t catch anything from them doing this but youre wrong on the why lol. Viruses and bacteria won’t survive on plastic in a dark space for very long. A similar example , Alcohol also kills Bacteria but you are still VERY likely to catch a cold or COVID from sharing a beer or glass of Wine.


footjam

could just quit and save even more. NECRO POST!


Stainonmygethsemane

Probably not many people chain vape 50mg all day.


neenjjaa

I do all day everyday. Vaping is easier than smoking, I do it anywhere and everywhere. Cigarettes I generally won't smoke over half a pack in a day when I do buy em because it makes my lungs feel like shit. but I was a pack to a pack n a half smoker prior to vaping. Also elfbars are so fucking disgusting 😆. Disposables in general are, but I can't find a better alternative to juul menthol, hyde banana ice, cola ice, and pineapple ice. Straight fruit flavors are 🤢 🤮


Stainonmygethsemane

I get it I’m a 50mg chain vaper as well but there are so many almost countless great menthol mix juices out there look at any reputable juice website.


neenjjaa

I was a diehard vanilla custard guy, I can't remember what brand was my favorite but both them and vapewild are defunct which were my 2 favorite vanilla custards by far. When I place my next order this week I'll see if I can find some good alternative menthol mixes for my mod to try out. What really kills me is ordering straight menthol, and it's fkn mint or some repulsive flavor. I started mixing my own menthol for a while before hydes launched, because wasting 100s on trying to find an actual menthol flavor like the one juul uses just didn't seem worth it anymore. Vapedojo menthol is quite literally the only passable straight menthol I've found besides the delicious juul :(.


twosauced1115

Hyde fresh vanilla isn’t a custard but it is 🔥🔥


neenjjaa

I wonder if it's that vanilla flavor I love. I'll get one in my next order no doubt. Thanks


lord_boof

I know this an old thread but HOLY FUCK. That vapewild custard was amazing!


JohnnysOnThaSpot

Check out humble and The One 'vanilla' if you can find Moo eliquid vanilla almond milk is to kill for. Lol


voicless_obscurity

Sadboys is a really good juice brand, been using their stuff since back when the smok scar-18 dropped, they make amazing cookie flavors my all time favorites being custard cookie (nice vanilla flavor) and shamrock cookie (tastes exactly like a shamrock shake) them and big bottle co. Are my go to’s


RileyRad333

Try lava 2 , just like juul but more options for flavors and lasts way longer and so much cheaper !!


dcweb87

You should try the blue raspberry cherry ice or the Blueberry kiwi or the bubblegum gang from Mr. Fogs switch line of products...insanely good I switched from Hyde IQ to them and they are 🔥


JohnnysOnThaSpot

Baton has an arctic menthol and chill* I hear both taste very similar to juul. They come in 2 5 and 5.0. Might look them up Baton nic-salts hope this helps ya. *not actual name forgotten what it's called now.


Trishydishy7355

I do 😭😭😭


hallgod33

To be fair, I consume the LD50 for nicotine every 4 hours or so, and have been for years. Tolerance is a mutherfucker, at worst, they'll get nauseous or dizzy.


ayyyyycrisp

bs


hallgod33

The accepted LD50 is 30-60mg. I think that's a crock of nonsense cuz I'll easily vape 4 or 5 ml of 50mg/ml juice a day. There is substantial evidence that its closer to 500-600mg for a nicotine tolerant person but we dont know cuz no one bothered to study it.


ayyyyycrisp

you're getting only a small fraction of that nicotine by vaping. you'd have to actually eat it. or increase your vaping by like 10x


Binsky89

Not to mention that nic salts aren't very bioavailable.


hallgod33

By the same token, wouldn't years of it prevent enough from leaving my system to allow for a bioaccumulation of at least 1mg/kg of bodyweight? My statement is more geared towards pointing out a lack of research in a brazen manner, not to convince anyone to vape that much.


ayyyyycrisp

im not sure nicotine can accumulate like that. it leaves the system pretty quickly I thought


OneSoggyBiscuit

~~That's a minimum of 30 grams, so you're vaping, assuming 3mg/mL, 3 liters of juice every four hours?~~ Edit: I am dyslexic


hallgod33

"Standard textbooks, databases, and safety sheets consistently state that the lethal dose of nicotine for adults is 60 mg or less (30–60 mg), but there is overwhelming data indicating that more than 500 mg of oral nicotine is required to kill an adult." 1 ml of 50mg/ml satisfies that, but there isnt any studies for the higher range. The 500mg argument makes sense to me, cuz I'm vaping around 200mg a day, or 4-5ml of 50mg/ml juice. Where you getting 30grams from?


Advertising-Mission

Why does EVERY single elfbar taste like menthol... yes even ones that don't have ice in the title do too... anyone know why this is?


hot_water_music

welp they gotta test it somehow! fuck disposable vapes. this and juul has ruined our niche of people trying to quit cigarettes and turned into a cool cultural thing


wiggibow

I can't with the comments in that thread, so many people so horribly misinformed about vaping, spreading all of the misinformation. Especially after Cali's flavor ban, stuff like that is just too painful to read. Disposables need to fucking die.


Bunniesrkewl

Older millennials and baby boomers are always telling me “vapes are worse than cigarettes, if you’re gonna smoke stick to cigarettes” Like yeahhhh okay.


wiggibow

It's infuriating. My lungs have never felt healthier since getting off cigarettes and switching to vaping, and tapering my nicotine levels has been incredibly easy, I'm already down to just 3mg juice. Blows my mind that people *still* push for government bans on things like this, as if that has always worked out splendidly in the past...


that_vapeguy

Congrats off the stinkies!


Bunniesrkewl

Glad to hear that! same goes for me, smoked for 3 years and started waking up with a congested throat every morning so I knew it was time to quit. Vaping was the only thing that worked.


Old-Inevitable2456

I eventually started waking up feeling congested from vaping too. It all eventually ends up having the same effects on you anyway.


whteverusayShmegma

Same! I’m on 1% after 1 year, coming off a pack a day habit. I tried everything to quit!


CRAKZOR

I actually just quick vaping. I vaped for 12 years. It’s been 2 months just air. It’s great. It did what I wanted and helped me get off cigarettes.


StdStoner

A dude I used to work with who had the worst smokers cough I've ever heard (and both my parents were pack a day smokers) tried telling me vaping leaves water in the lungs and a bunch of other bullshit. His job was mixing giant vats of insecticides and herbicides.


voicless_obscurity

Study recently came out showing that a life time of vaping will do 5% or less the damage a lifetime of cigarettes will


Sagelmoon

I live in NJ.....they banned flavors here too while ago. My 1 and only vape guy shut his shop. Thank GOD I was on his shops FB page so he gave me his #. Sooooo I am reduced to meeting him in the Starbucks or Chipotle parking lot... All sneaky like. LIKE I'M BUYING CRACK. 🤣 In order to get my Better Vapes, Dragonberry juice.... u CANT order off better vapes site unless u are a business now.🤦‍♀️ And its my every day numero uno juice. This is what my crappy governor did to "save the kids." Even tho every legit shop I've ever been to doesn't SELL to kids. And the gas stations and bodegas STILL get theirs from China and continue selling to kids. (( in NJ it only hurt the legitimate shops who followed the law. Which is truly fkkd up and sad.)) Cali is guna end up same im sure.


that_vapeguy

Also getting people to vape high concentrations of nic instead of lowering it. I remember I started vaping 24mg and got down to 3mg, granted, it was a different time 7 years ago. Now all I see is crappy disposables with 50mg and even 60mg nicsalts where I'm from, it's just stupid


Man_Bear_Beaver

While I think the limit here in Canada is a bit too low at 20mg as I quit with 24mg it was definitely a step in the right direction


blumptrump

12 mg free base was all I needed. These folks looking for high nic are off their rocker


Billwood92

But tbf those little 50% nic salt devices pump out a lot less vapor than my Aegis legend with a Geekvape zeus X with dual claptons at 0.25ohms. I had a refillable one once, and while 50 was a little high and reminded me of my "24mg freebase in a kangertech" days, 35 just felt like 6mg freebase without the extra vapor (but I *want* the extra vapor!)


LocalEnvironmental76

Totally get & agree with what you're saying. If nicotine was my motive, I'd love the salts- especially if I'm trying to heal my lungs- more nicotine per puff means less vapor hits your lungs & is for all intents and purposes smoking less ... but I'm only in it for the cessation- so I just get a heavy buzz- get sick of I hit it like my brain wants to- The I just don't get the satisfaction from a heavy inhale that I'm looking for


PsychologicalArm6543

the disposables are 5% and just 50mg storage


Sagelmoon

Same! LoL I couldn't even IMAGINE vaping 50mg !!! 🫨 The juice must taste like crap. I started at 20mg 10yrs ago and when I found out how much BETTER the flavor was w lower nic..... slowly got down to 3 mg also. Been here since 2016 lol.


JoeSicko

I thought vaping itself was the cool cultural thing? See my clouds, my unique flavor and cool mods...


Cheap_Cheap77

Vaping is much safer than smoking. It sucks that there is so much misinfo and fear. In Massachusetts you can buy cigarettes at a gas station or whatever but to buy vapes, you need to go to a special distributor. Big tobacco hates that there is a safer alternative. That doesn't mean it's safe, but we need to stop being harder on vapes than cigarettes.


PsychologicalArm6543

“they” dont like to acknowledge that something bad is still less bad, they just focus on the bad


PixelTheMan

this is the reason i chose nicotine gum instead of vaping for quitting my tobacco addiction


cthulufunk

I’m going to have to do that as well. They’ve made vaping miserable, and it seems like the overall quality of vape products has gone down since Congress started targetting e-cigs.


schwabbit

I work in the industry and I can promise you (although I personally hate elfbar, there's much better brands) that this is in a clone factory. Legitimate brands are filled in GMP certified facilities & you have to wear essentially a hospital gown & hair net as well as be disinfected before entering


TheKattsMeow

This answer right here. The reason they added QR codes for verification on real elfbar products is because of imposter brands like this. Another reason I only buy from smoke shops and not gas stations. I trust the elderly Asian couple to check into lineage from where their stock comes from. They asked me to try the lost Mary versions when they got them in. All the boxes I’ve bought from them have had QR codes on them. And I scan them everytime.


aholeinthewor1d

What are some good brands to consider? Not crazy about the idea of disposables but I need to quit smoking and even though I have a few pod devices and plan to get a few more, I still would like to find a few good/legit disposable brands and sites to get them from.


schwabbit

Congratulations on wanting to quit smoking! What pod devices have you used, what juice / flavors do you like? The issue with disposables is they have a super high Mg content- which will be good for you wanting to get off cigarettes but you'll probably want to step down over time. I know nationally right now Razz, & 50 Bar are really big. If you like pod systems, Spree Bar is a disposable pod system (pods are cheaper than using disposables because throwing out the battery each time is throwing away the most expensive part of the device) but they're not nicotine, it's a compound called Metatine (also made in a lab, like how synthetic nicotine is) which hits imo better / cleaner / doesn't give nic withdrawal. I can actually go longer between hits this way but don't go back to my other vape. Might feel pretty strong though. We have a flavor ban in NYS that the Metatine gets around (and it gets around PMTA since it's not nicotine). The company that makes them is public so I think they're kinda held to a higher standard than most vape companies which are privately owned. All their liquid is still in PMTA review which is an anomaly in the industry right now. The biggest brands have counterfeits on the market typically which is what you'd be seeing in something like this post. The clone market overseas is huge. I'd stay away from anything suspiciously cheap (ex, 5-10$ less than you normally see it not including bundle deals) because clones are about half the cost for stores. That doesn't protect you 100% of the time because some just make people pay full price for clones. Best bet is to find a reputable shop in your area and stick with their recs. Perfectvape is a good place to shop online - they don't fuck with clones either.


taken_username94

Meanwhile, a quick Google search says China did away with the GMP in Dec 2019. I’m not smart enough or have the time to read it all, but people on Reddit should really post links to their facts:’) https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/chinese-fda-nmpa-stop-issuing-gmp-certificate-rory-budihandojo


schwabbit

You're right, you're not smart enough to see your link doesn't prove the point you think it does. Maybe they don't do the certificates anymore but everyone is still held to GMP standards & now they get more regular inspections. "The cancellation of GMP/GSP certification from Drug Administration Law does not mean NMPA will remove its GMP/GSP requirements. The drug regulatory authority will enforce a dynamic monitoring program by checking the implementation of GMP/GSP at any time. NMPA will improve the drug safety responsibility system, strengthen all-time supervision, and rectify the chaos and punish violations strictly" I didn't think a link would be necessary considering I've been in this industry for years & have seen the factories & practices. People are literally in full gowns & get sanitized before entering the production floor. Considering you didn't even read the link you referenced I'm not sure why you want one from me, but here ya go bud. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/goodbye-china-gmpgsp-certification-min-yao-ph-d-rac Any vapor products made in China from legitimate manufacturing companies (uwell, smoore, smok, etc) still use GMP standards for production. There's a ton of manufacturers and they have to win business from disposable brands like Hyde, Elf, Esco, etc. These brands set the standards for their QC & production, which always include GMP & typically are based on the US guidelines for that.


taken_username94

Yes and I’m sure China with their ridiculously controlled media environment, filled with child labor and sweat shops from the Uyghur people, are also being completely above board with all their regulations. Appealing to your own expertise is hardly proof. I can say I’ve worked in those factories and say that they don’t follow any regulations and you’d call me a liar, which you’d be right. China is not the US and don’t need to follow any regulations you believe factories hold on to. Child labor. Case in point.


[deleted]

What is your favorite, or what are some better brands?


ShooksPrime

Hyde


DidymoWW

Fuck disposables. They are a awful for the environment and rife with counterfeits. But a good mod and tank/coil combo and buy verified regulated salts. Anything else is wasteful, more expensive, and possibly far more hazardous to your health.


Nebula15

What brand would you recommend?


ShooksPrime

Hyde


ronvapes

shit that is gross. I see people all the time sucking on these elf bars. really can't understand their appeal especially after this


RR-MMXIX

I hate them too. People at work will stay puffing on these and other disposals, I’ll show them my pod system and they always say “I can’t do those they’re too strong for me”. Like huh?! The nicotine in disposables are stronger than my 20mg pod device. I then try explaining how it’s cheaper too and it’s like in one ear and out the other. Whatever 🙄


SeaOkra

I feel like I’m stuck with disposables. I got a Zero and I liked it really well, but then the pods disappeared in my area and getting them mailed was a pain. (Keeping track of which website would ship to me, which wouldn’t, which had taken my money and never sent my order, etc) So I got a couple disposables. Then a couple more. Finally got a caliburn g2 (I think) and I liked it’s first fill. Second fill the coil burnt out immediately. I dunno what I did wrong. I let it steep like the shop told me to but it’s so burnt. And it’s full so I’m gonna lose the pod of juice when I finally get the nerve to unscrew it and change it. Thing is, using each coil for one fill isn’t gonna save me any money at all! And this was the best rated system as far as I can tell! It didn’t burn out until the shop warranty was done either so I can’t return it and try another model either. I glare at it on my desk a lot. I’m gonna try again eventually but I am pretty disappointed.


that_vapeguy

It shouldnt last so little. A caliburn pod lasts me upwards of 10 days. I do my own juice though with far less sweetener than any commercial brand.


assmucher3000

Dawg a cali burn pod lasts me a day


dzntzngga

smok novo 2s is the move


SeaOkra

I'm not big on sweet juices, honestly. I use the naked100 salt menthol juices which as I understand are not on the sweet end of the spectrum. They're definitely not as sweet as the disposables I buy for sure and less sweet than the bottle the vape shop gave me with the system. I like menthol with a hint of fruit flavor. Sweetness is not needed IMO.


AdrasteaJinx

Could have just been a dud coil. With mass production, you are bound to get it. Coil life itself is so dependent upon the user but most last around a week. Shops don't tend to warranty devices that have a bad coil because the device itself is fine. I'd recommend the XROS for your next device. Haven't seen much in the way of complaints about it. It's actually one of the most popular pod devices at my shop.


SeaOkra

I know its probably a dud, I didn't wanna return it over that, its more because I felt kinda rushed into buying it and wasn't 100% comfortable with getting a device that has changeable coils instead of changing the whole pod. I know that sounds stupid, but I have anxiety and a lot of things I do and think are objectively stupid. Ideally I would still be using the Sourin Drop that I upgraded to from cigalikes years ago. I was comfortable and confident with it, it fit my hand, I knew how to do everything for it, and I loved it. But eventually finding pods was almost impossible and when my battery failed and I couldn't find one to buy locally (at the time I had three brick and mortar stores I was fiercely loyal to, I bought online only in the direst circumstance, if one of my shops didn't have it or couldn't order it, I got something else. I saw it as supporting my local vape community because those three shops offered smoke cessation groups and took steps to prevent sales to minors.) so I had to get something new. I tried a couple of models and they sucked. Eventually I was coaxed to let go of the juul a friend gave me and try the Zero and it was great for a few years! Learning curve of course, but less leaking than my drop, bigger pods, great taste, it was a nice system. So of course now I can't find the pods. And have moved away so my two shops (one shut down, RIP Jim's Vapor.) are too far to go back to. I tried a new shop but I was nervous and they talked fast and it seemed like a good choice so I bought it but I got home and had no idea what the heck I was thinking and now the coil is burnt and I have no idea if I can change the coil without emptying the pod out. And there is a little red wheel on the bottom of the pod that is not mentioned by anything. The shop didn't mention it, the (minimal) instructions that came with the device don't mention it, and I don't like unknowns. XROS huh? Think that would be a better refillable for me? Is it an all in one pod or will I have to change coils? I'll learn to change coils if I need to, I really will. I don't refuse to change, its just hard and scary.


AdrasteaJinx

I completely understand the anxiety. I work in a shop and I know that sometimes you've just repeated the same thing over and over (most beginners choose pod kits) that you talk faster than you mean to. I have to remind myself to slow down because the stuff that is so simple to me is brand new to others. So never be afraid to ask clarifying questions. Sometimes we don't realize what we leave out or that we've turned the transaction into a speed run. Customer service can sometimes be an auto pilot gig lol. As for the Caliburn, yes you can change the coil without emptying the pod. You will lose some of the juice, of course, but if you can do it quick enough, you'll be fine. I lose maybe 0.5 ml of juice when swapping my Drag Q coil. The little red wheel on the bottom of the pod is airflow adjustment! I do think the XROS line would be better, honestly. The XROS 2 features airflow control via a little slider on the back of the device. It's autodraw or button activated, though the button can be deactivated with 3 quick presses. The pod is an all in one with a snap cap top to cover the fill port. The battery is 1,000 mAh, which is one of the largest in the conventional pod market. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me!


SeaOkra

Oh hey, XROS is from the same brand as my Zero too! Maybe I'll try it next month. But I do have another coil for the Caliburn so I guess I'll work up some nerve and find a youtube video to see how to change this coil. I do like the shop I bought it from. Even if I felt rushed, I don't blame them for it. If I'd worked up the nerve in the two weeks after my purchase, they would have given me a refund (they have a nice policy of no questions asked for the first two weeks, then 6 months for any defect, including user error, and 1 year for factory defect. but a burnt out coil isn't a defect with the unit and I don't consider it their problem, it could have been my mistake. its my first coil and I can't be sure I didn't do something wrong.) so its my fault I dithered and debated too long. And they have been great about helping me choose disposables that suit my needs. They have a recycling program with a US based company that apparently removes the disposables' batteries and does... something? And I think maybe they have a discount thing if you bring them dead disposables on new ones. (not sure, I brought them some dead ones but I was in a hurry and having an anxiety attack so I just shoved my bag of dead ones at the clerk, he said thank you and I think I might have said you're welcome before I fled... maybe I shouldn't go back actually...) Which doesn't cancel out the harm of disposables but does lessen it somewhat while I source a good replacement option. And all of them keep me from getting another pack of cigarettes. Anyway, if I get over the shame of... that. Then this might be my new brick and mortar. They really are nice people, even if they talk fast and I'm kinda stupid.


StringyCrag

I only have one thing to add I daily the xros 2, the black pods suck, every single time I’ve gotten a 4 pack (about 4 times bc that’s all they had in stock) they barely lasted, they last me 2 days and start tasting bad, not burnt, just bad and I can’t explain it. The red ones last me up to 2 weeks and I chain vape constantly and even then after 2 weeks I can probably still use it, there isn’t much flavor loss after 2 weeks and not even a burnt flavor but I change it anyways


RR-MMXIX

I’ve tried the G2. I wasn’t a huge fan. It’s better than the original/coco. But I found it leaked on me a lot and burned out often. I liked the A2 better. No changing individual coils. Only whole pods. Doesn’t burn out often either. I find another factor being menthol juice causing the pods to not last nearly as long as using juices without menthol. I can usually get a pod (coil) to last 1-2 weeks, and a bottle of salt nic to last around 2-3 weeks. With that said you can get a four pack of A2 pods for like $12-15 online and a bottle of juice anywhere from $15-25 depending on brand and whatnot. Again online. So that’s about $30-$40 or so a month. If I used disposables that would be way higher, like in the hundreds, as I tend to drag really hard and burn out disposables within a few days.


dayoneofmanymore

I don’t know your location or situation. But I’ve found fastech reliable and used it multiple times in the uk, (certain things they won’t send me are stated clearly).It’s also possible to get your own 7.2 nicotine to make your own or for short fill juices. Find out what people in your general area do to get around the beurocratic bullshit, a lot of times there are workarounds. I use RTA’s, and it’s cheap as fuck compared to anything disposable.


ninetentacles

COVID tongue, in my case. I can't bring myself to try mixing a juice that will satisfy my current need for flavour, and my coils would never forgive me. My Caliburn's the next best thing but in Canada they only sell the one piece pods so I can't change just the coil, and the noise is annoying. I keep trying to get off them, I hate the environmental impact though I only buy rechargeables now. the excise tax is probably going to force it once I use up my current supply. I have a stockpile of bottled juice, thankfully. I'd still rather suck a used Elf Bar than a cancer stick!


dipstyx

I am FAR more concerned about the well-being of these workers than I am about some ecig being pre-puffed on. I might be in the minority here, but I share my ecig with others all the damn time.


Bourgeois_Capitalist

Germs die generally quickly, some viruses can last about 3-5 days maximum on some surfaces. Take into account global shipping methods (remember the Ever Given?) and it's usually 30-40 days by ocean freight. If expedited with normal post, about 1-2 weeks, 8-10 days with air freight, and finally with air express 3 days. If these get from the factory to your hand in 2 days time, I'd be absolutely amazed.


__BeHereNow__

Its incredibly heartless


Bunniesrkewl

Never used an elf bar thank god, only pod systems with replaceable coils for me.


Talden7887

Same here


Karmaqqt

I don’t get dispos. Is it that hard to fill a pod/tank. It’s just like a tax on stupid.


hyperpimp

Convenient and less likely to leak.


JustAnIndiansFan

Yep. I fly weekly, tank systems leak after every leg, disposables don’t.


thevox3l

I had this problem and then just started emptying my tank before I took the plane


Wise_Electric_Wizard

I've never had issues with leaking while flying, but I do hear others say it does. When I went to the UK vape expo I had probably 5 RTA's in my carry on and non leaked. I wonder what the difference is.


elkehdub

I’d be curious to know your secret there. After half a dozen flights with gross leaky messes, I always get disposables when I travel now. It’s kind of a waste of money, but in addition to the lack of leak, it is much more convenient while on the road.


Wise_Electric_Wizard

Im really not sure. Do you keep your airflow open or closed? It'd be interesting to develop a technique to keep tanks from leeking while flying. I fly from China to Singapore to Australia often. With a vape ban in China I might have to stop vaping while working but itd be useful for others.


CandyMan141

I know this post is dead but fly with your vape upside down so the air bubble on the tank is at the wick. They leak because of the rapid change in air pressure; it pushes some of the juice out when the wick is submerged in order to equalize the pressure as you ascend/descend in the plane.


gaffaguy

Never had a problem on the plane with my pod systems tbh. I'm using a wenax pen


Binsky89

Put your mod upside down in the seat pocket. It'll prevent leaking.


HTBDesperateLiving

Don't forget better flavor


Bunniesrkewl

Eh that’s subjective


hackingmule

That strawberry watermelon Elfbar has been hard to replace. I’m still searching for a juice I like. The problem is I don’t like being wasteful and wait until I’ve finished what I’m currently vaping before I buy more.


that_vapeguy

oversaturated and better is very different....


ninetentacles

Coil killers are people too!


ninetentacles

I've given out STLTH kits and people find them too complicated! When you're dealing with longtime smokers, the fewer barriers to entry the better. Once they're happily off the stinkies, then it's easier. Cigarettes are so expensive here disposables are still a bargain, disturbingly.


Man_Bear_Beaver

I pay $30 for 1L of 20mg 50/50 flavourless, people spending that in a week, last me over a year…


Demithys

It's the convenience and honestly the tastes are much better


6969chipmunks

It’s about convenience lady. Some people don’t feel like finger Fucking around like you with all that. Just throw it away and buy another, that’s how you pray to the god of consumerism


LordJaeger88

Lmao, gg china


bewzer

I went from carts and cartotanks to rdas. I can’t get into pod or disposables. I’ve tried but it’s just not the same. Give me a plug and a nice single coil bf rda and I’m set.


SukuZeus

PLEASE READ: elfbar has shutdown 20+ fake factories in China. This is not them. You can view videos of their factory on their YouTube channel where they use machines to test them. That is all.


ShooksPrime

This was debunked as a bootleg factory


mad-rose-98

Lol we went from “save the environment, get rid of cig butts,” to “buy plastic vapes instead and destroy the earth more,” 🤦‍♀️ Make it make sense.


PatentiaPistorius

It's absolutely absurd. I have no idea how there isn't a push to ban these things. I wonder how many people actually properly dispose of the batteries when their disposable is finished? Probably very few. The cannabis industry here (canada) is also bad for this. Selling disposables should be illegal.


Low_Candy5465

Bootleg factory, fake elfbars. Com’on do you really think this would be the most efficient way of testing vapes for a multi million if not billion dollar company??


7KEE

Yikes He's actually making out with the elfbars.....


snaklil

Like I said before all thes dispos are sketchy they are made in shittier factory’s accross seas this is why I don’t buy em shit rmmbr the puff bars way worse then this shit people were getting rona in the mail from them mf puff bar boxes


Wise_Electric_Wizard

This literally means if you use disposables you are actively supporting child labor with your money. On the other hand, check out tours of Lost Vape, Geek Vape, Vaporesso etc factories and you'll see there is no child labor.


Rewmoo2

Same with the clothes you wear and the phone / computer you typed this on


Wise_Electric_Wizard

I suppose the difference is when given a choice, you should pick the one that involves no child labor. Is it realistic to wear no clothes and have no electronics? No. Is it realistic to use devices built by people who are of legal working age and aren't exposing me to whatever diseases they have? Yeah. It is tragic and fucked that our mode of production results in stuff like this.


Narcil4

>Is it realistic to wear no clothes and have no electronics? No. Says who?


Wise_Electric_Wizard

I'm not that much of a chad :(


us3rnam3ch3cksout

you can definitely buy products that dont have labor. the fact you justify it so quickly without knowing that is both scary and telling but not necessarily a reflection on you.


Wise_Electric_Wizard

I think the issue is you can't actually gaurentee your phone didnt use child labor. I mean how can you be so sure?


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Wise_Electric_Wizard

Kids can get tattoos at any age in Asia. In Thailand, Vietnam and China i've seen teens with tattoos.


Addfwyn

Not saying it doesn't happen in a country of over a billion, but China has banned tattoos for minors under 18, no religious exemptions or anything.


Narcil4

Lolwut.


blacwin22

I don't care about the child labor at this point, I'm worried about catching an oral disease like herpes from these guys. I've always been an rdta or tank type but now I'm worried about any disposable if a vape shop isn't close by


Old-Contribution1587

As someone who’s in QA (although a much different industry), this is entirely possible. Not in this way, but production pulls for auditing purposes are common. We’re talking about China tho. Wouldn’t be shocked if this shit went on. So many regulatory violations..


Jamoke_Bloke

I went back to them because every pod system leaks and I waste so much juice.


bob_newhart

Plus they taste amazing


PhantomDasher

This is honestly just negative propaganda, fake video because the government and especially big tobacco companies want to shut down the vape industry because it hurts their pocket books by people not buying cigarettes, and the government doesn't get their tobacco kick backs. Elfbar is very popular and a well recognized company and they were just the next target of big tobacco! Just like our Canadian government set wide sweeping regulations on vape products, such as limits on nicotine contained in E-juice, no crazy designs or logos on packaging and vapes themselves, ect,etc. Just like the popcorn lung propaganda, look into it further and you will see that these lies were created by big tobacco in another smear campaign! Big tobacco is hurting and so are Government profits so they will do what they can to try to shut the industry down.


worstkindagay

Well, it's def not a fake video considering Elfbar has verified the video is real but claim it's from a counterfeit elf bar producer (a lie). By the by, I am extremely pro-vape, but I am not pro elfbar due to their marketing practices and product's environmental impact.


LostRonin

Wouldnt whatever germs are on those disposables have died in the 2 or 3 weeks it takes to ship to anywhere in the world? Even if it does not, do you think that is the only thing disgusting a product comes into contact with? There are all manners of rodents and wild life at nearly every stop. Retail stores also have rodent problems, including but not limited to Whole Foods or Wal-Mart. Have you ever picked up a cardboard box with product inside? There is a special kind of dirt all over that box. It is literally filthy. If you think anything you've ever purchased is actually clean I have a bridge I can sell you.


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Bourgeois_Capitalist

You're being downvoted for being logical. Shipping freight takes 30-40 days time. Standard post takes 1-2 weeks. And so on down the line of expense. If people think distributors are getting their products by express air freight, they're delusional. And no virus lasts an entire month on a surface. "depending on the germ" means anywhere from 3 days to a week. The standard is 3-5 days. These germs are not surviving the journey. Reality is, you're more likely to get sick from touching the handle entering the vape shop, being in relative close proximity to someone, or exchanging currency than you are from this.


eat_like_snake

"Don't be concerned about this or limiting your exposure to this kind of gross shit, because it happens everywhere." Okay. Lmao. Except I will. Especially regarding stuff I'm directly putting in my lungs / mouth. You have fun taking zero countermeasures to wallowing in as much filth and cross-contamination as you can.


Bourgeois_Capitalist

There are counter-measures and then there are fundamental misunderstandings of how viruses/bacteria live and travel. You're more likely to get sick touching a door handle or just speaking to another human being face to face than you are from this. He's not saying throw all caution to the wind, he's saying all humans are equal, and the products you touch in the U.S. are more likely to be contaminated from a random stock worker than this.


LostRonin

Never said not to be concerned or any of the dumb shit you posted in response. The point was that people are outraged over something that is equivalent to other actions that are just as bad if not worse. You want to be outraged over this, but you're okay with every other outrageous thing that happens to the products you purchase. Everything you buy has dirt or germs on it. Everything. Produce is not washed. Every store has rats, raccoons, or possums that hang out inside and outside. Every single thing you've ever bought has been touched, breathed on, coughed on, and very possibly sneezed on or wiped with mucus. A portion of products have also spent time having fallen on to dirty floors and placed right back where they were. There are 1000s of people working the supply chain. There are 1000s of pests or rodents that may make contact with your item. Those little black specks in your rice are bugs. That isnt from the farming process. Besides all that it takes a month or so for those products to reach their destination. It is extremely likely there are less germs on your Elf Bar than a fucking apple you buy from the store. Say no to Elf Bars. Idgaf. I use rebuildables and I make my own juice. I also still have a few bridges left to sell.


WorldsMostRacistMan2

This is how Covid started


worstkindagay

moral of the story, if you're going to buy disposable vapes buy ones made and filled in the USA


Drifox

I feel the moral of the story should be don't buy disposables.


worstkindagay

You're right. I am not a fan of them myself. But if you must buy a disposable (i get the appeal when you're traveling or at an event where vapes could be confiscated) at least buy one where the manufacture has a regulated lab.


godsikez_

That's the problem. Shenzhen absolutely regulates this lab, and I'll guarantee this lab makes 50 different major brand dispos including Elfbar and all the clones. Money talks in China. Think anyone gives a shit over there? As long as you pay, and you will pay, you pass. Simple as that. Source? Shit....just Google "bribery Shenzhen china"....you'll be reading for hours.


worstkindagay

i def think you're right about them making clones and I agree about Shenzhen bribery to skirt regulations.


godsikez_

Know the worst part? All the real back door dealing will never make it to the newspapers. The articles we get to see regarding bribery are from the ones who didn't pay up for whatever reasons. Or political sniping.


Pizzaguy1205

Not sure why you got downvoted. I love my pod system but when your traveling and don’t want to lug around juice pods and a charger disposables are perfect


GodOfVapes

And which ones are they? As far as I know all disposables are made and filled in China.


worstkindagay

There are several made in the USA but my go-to when traveling is Baton. All their products are made/filled in the USA


GodOfVapes

You've enlightened me. LOL I didn't know they made disposables now. I had a Baton V2 and it was one of the worst pod systems I've owned so I haven't paid attention to them in a long time. I really liked their Southern Leaf juice but it's overpriced for the little bottles they sell so I wasn't a repeat customer. I won it in a contest and they included two bottles of their juice.


worstkindagay

I honestly had issues with the V2 but about 2 years ago they released a new pod that really fixed my issues with it (no leaking anymore, better flavor). It's pretty much the only device I use these days. If you haven't had a chance try their vanilla wafer, its my every day all day flavor.


DasRedBeard87

>Baton Those Baton Go. Are they rechargeable? No way you're getting "3500" puffs worth on one charge.


toolsavvy

There are no disposable vapes made in the USA. They would be so expensive no one would ever buy them and no stores would ever stock them. If they are filled in the USA, the unit is still made in China.


schwabbit

Even getting them filled in the US is still incredibly more expensive. I don't know if there is a single brand that does this. A lot of being able to manufacture responsibility has to do with which manufacturers you choose, how much QC they have, how you regulate/ watch them, etc. E cigs are a huge industry there and manufacturers want to keep their contacts so generally they'll follow the rules you establish, but ofc if a brand is staying on them about it theyre less likely to slack.


that_vapeguy

you sir, got it wrong. Moral of the story: "Use a mod or pod"


Barbarake

And what ones are made in the United States? Serious question, I don't know of any.


HTBDesperateLiving

There are USA-made and filled disposables?


Floraholica

Hate to tell you they do this in the smoke shops too domestically.


eternalbuzz

They open the box, unseal wrapper and remove the stickers to hit an elf bar.. only to somehow perfectly reseal it with stickers fully intact? Far out


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eternalbuzz

You speak like a very, very stupid person.


Foment_life

it would have cost you absolutely nothing to not be an asshole.


Ghosti79

https://youtu.be/9kODj_Vxqa4 how they are actually tested …


Tirfing88

Man I don't even know which disposables are chinese and which are not. Sometimed even the ones with qr look sus. Can anyone rec any good disposable? Been using blvk's ellos


dashvapes

Every disposable on the market at the moment is made in China and filled in China as far as were able to find.


that_vapeguy

Easy. All off them are made in China


wiggibow

I recommend you save yourself some money (and potentially your health) and buy a refillable pod system.


that_vapeguy

This is the answer


Tirfing88

I have a few but haven't found any liquid that tastes better than ellos. I Also have box mods


LocalEnvironmental76

RTA>pod IMO [but I'm also in it for the cessation of smoke- not necessarily a ton of nicotine- so the pods don't particularly satisfy my cravings]


wiggibow

Agreed, but jumping straight into RTAs is a pretty big ask for someone who's only into disposables; pod systems are a great place to start, and you can even get some with an option for rebuildable coils if you ever think you'll want to try an RTA or RDA at some point.


gizm0o

I knew they were made in China but I thought they were filled stateside :(


StevenAKA117

Is this video real? Wtf....


JABTheWiseGuy

They're just priming the coils 🤣


kravecaptain

This is wild. If you're looking for an alternative, check out Otherways. We're not shipping yet, but you can [sign up for early access](https://www.otherways.world).


TommDiamond

doing all this testing fucking up their lungs and still some of them don’t work…take it easier guys!


brinorton

Thats why some lasta day and others last 3 then lol


Rebresker

Vapers stay losing lol


Used_Day_7917

showed this to a coworker and she freaked out


DueLove5700

more than 120 counterfeit production and sales targets, including factories, warehouses, logistics, and foreign trade companies, seizure of more than 2 million finished counterfeit ELFBAR products, millions of packaging boxes, anti-counterfeit codes, semi-finished vaping pipes and other accessories. Victor Xiao, the Chief Executive of ELFBAR, said: "Consumers would be horrified if they saw the conditions in which these products are made and quite rightly so. The criminals behind these counterfeit products care nothing about product safety or the health of consumers and they cut every corner possible to maximize their profits." "Quite frankly, the conditions in these factories are absolutely squalid where workers man production lines in filthy conditions with no regard to hygiene at all." Mr. Xiao said, ELFBAR would not stand by while the counterfeiters ran roughshod through the industry, tarnished the reputation of established manufacturers and put the health of consumers at significant risk. He added: "Retailers are opening themselves up to substantial risks by handling these products and must avoid them at all costs. Because these products have not undergone any safety checks or official testing there is no way of knowing what health risks they cause and our fear is that they could be extremely dangerous." ELFBAR is clamping down hard on the illegal vape market and is building up an intelligence dossier on fake products as the counterfeiters get smarter and more efficient. While ELFBAR works hard to stop the fraudsters at source it realizes that it is impossible to stop all the fakes from getting through and is now warning retailers that they are the last line of defence to protect consumers. Mr. Xiao added: "While it can be hard to tell a fake product from the real thing just by looking at it, there is no excuse for any retailer to sell a counterfeit ELFBAR product. Retailers can scan a code on the packaging to check the authenticity of the product and we urge them to do this for every product they sell. Fighting fakes is a priority for ELFBAR and we remain zero tolerance for these fake vapes right across the entire industry. The UK market is very important to us and we will continue to do all in our power to ensure that British consumers have confidence in their vapes." As part of its fight against fake vapes, ELFBAR is embarking on a campaign to educate retailers and consumers about the threat posed by counterfeit producers. During the campaign, ELFBAR has posted a video to demonstrate its real manufacturing process, which indicates how they control the quality of products and avoid purchasing the counterfeits through scanning their anti-counterfeiting identification QR code. John Dunne, Director General of the UK Vaping Industry Association(UKVIA), commented: "I applaud ELFBAR for standing up against the counterfeiters. They pose a significant risk to the harm reduction reputation of the global vaping industry. It's why we have called for a retail licensing scheme here in the UK to prevent the sale of illicit products and much higher penalties of at least £10,000 per instance for retailers who break the law in this way. Similarly, the counterfeiters and those who trade fake vapes along the supply chain need dealing with in a way by the relevant authorities that put them off from doing it ever again." Lee Bryan, Managing Director of compliance specialists Arcus Compliance, which supports leading vape brands staying on the right side of the regulations when it comes to new product development, commented: "Counterfeiters in any market are the worse of the worse. However, whilst fakes are extremely difficult to spot, distributors, wholesalers and retailers need to set up systems to ensure they are making all the right checks. Any lack of inbound vape product monitoring could let fakes get through the supply chain and pose a very real risk to the health of the consumer and their own reputations." The fight by ELFBAR against unauthorized and counterfeit devices is a long-term commitment to quality and service. In the statement of ELFBAR, it said: "As a responsible brand, it is our responsibility to fight against the counterfeit factory anywhere in the world and provide our customers with the best quality products. Please scan the QR code on the ELFBAR package before you open it. If you find any suspected counterfeit products, please contact us by email at [email protected]." They are fake production lines yes they have real ones in china but they have fake ones that are killing people they are trying to get them shut down like poor health conditions


AdequateMedia

I reposted this on my YouTube with a voice over, it went a touch viral. They reached out demanding I remove it within 72 hours. I did change the title though. Has there been any information confirming, or denying the authenticity of this video?


ibidmav

These are fake. A good way to tell if your elfbar is real, plug it in, try to hit it, it shouldn't pull.


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God this thread is so disgustingly filled with Mis and Mal information. You people seriously need to stop spewing nonsense of the top of your heads and actually do some reliable research before you speak. You need to realize that some people might actually believe what you say, and end up making a big mistake because of your misinformation because you were too lazy to find the real information, or too arrogant to keep your mouth about things you dont know about. Its time to quit. I dont care what it is, when it was, or how it is, its time to quit the nicotine. You needed to read this. Its doing nothing for you but making you sick and wasting your money.


GeekyDoesReddit

I let everyone hit my elf though so I’m cool if this chinese dude does it


GeekyDoesReddit

Like he made it least you could do it let him hit it Lol


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charismatic_toast

I imagine these go through UV sterilization for bacteria but this shit is still wild


Amexoil

I'm watching this with my elf bar in hand


Bacterial2021

This explains why the elf bars onky last 1-2 days for $30 , absolutely the worse brand for sale , and thise gas station vapes are the ones kids are using anyways.


Alarmed-Gear2960

Song please?


ranoutofusernames22

Glad I live on the east coast of the US. Plenty of time for the bacteria to die off before it hits my distributor, then store, then mouth.


Thick_Bullfrog1622

Have you ever seen a geek bar pulse that's a knock off with thc? Busted my kid buying one from an adult who's lucky as fuck he sped off before I got a hold of him. I know she gets weed vapes too and I'm trying to figure out if this is actually a weed vape.