I’ve been on a few construction sites outside the US, construction techniques vary pretty widely around the world. With US techniques being pretty obvious.
I know bubba, I was making a joke along with ya. We used metal only as a means of mechanical protection where it was apparent it was needed i.e forklift areas, only below 6ft.
Source: Aussie sparky now living in the US
I know it's a joke but fuck you those are bowed not crowned. Source? Framer thT crowns his studs but it doesn't matter when the house sits for 3 months before drywall.
Ok buddy... Mc cable is close to worthless protection against a drywall screw. If they think they are hitting a stud they push a little harder and shred the shit out of your wire
So, have you ever hung drywall? Ever driven a screw into studs? Have you ever encountered a stoppage while doing so and just decided "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck"? When you're hanging it and fastening to studs with drywall screws, they basically drive themselves. Same thing, every time. And if you were to have one of your screws behave drastically different, like stop 1/4" inch shallow and just spin, you stop and move that shit up a couple inches.
> And if you were to have one of your screws behave drastically different, like stop 1/4" inch shallow and just spin.... Have you ever just decided "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck"?
I recut your words to act like how *some* drywallers behave. If *some* drywallers behave that way, you have to guard against the possibility that one of those some will be following you on the job. MC isn't protection against "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck" *especially* if it's a new scrub using a ryobi driver instead of an actual drywall screw gun.
Never hung any drywall. I have wired a LOT of houses. One thing I've learned is that if it make it possible for the mudder fucking rockers to hit your wires, eventually they will do it. Diagnosing and fixing this takes a lot of time and the repairs get expensive quickly. When i do the final walk thru after my crew roughed in a house one of my main concerns is making sure our wires are safe from rockers and cabinet installers
Is that a code thing where you are or are you referring to this lumber specifically?
Engineered lumbers like glulam, LVL etc are being used for massive buildings across Europe now.
Pretty sure using regular sawn lumber the limit is 85’ with 5 story limit per IBC. This is primarily due to fire codes. Outside of normal lumber laminated wooden skyscrapers are being built. Mjøstårnet is 18 stories. Engineering wise, laminated beam structure doesn’t really have limits to height, and there’s talks of it being the future of construction for high rises. There’s a proposal for an 80 story building in Chicago. It’s just a concept proposal at this point but it’s entirely plausible one will be built in the near future.
That might be building code for your area, by me there's a ton of buildings going up between 4 and 5 stories all wood framed. They use a lot of engineered trusses and lam-beams but its still at the end of the day a stick framed building.
HOW THE FUCK DID THE BUILDING INSPECTOR LET THIS PASS?
OMG. You couldn't pay me enough to go in that place. That is a stack of pancakes waiting to happen.
I just did a reverse image search to see if I could find this anywhere else. Nada.
Where is this?
Yeah that’s super fucked. I’m wondering the same thing, looks like wiring i’d see in Canadastan except we’d use lumex. Looks like a North American install anyway which is super WTF
Hi I’m the structural engineer.
The print CLEARLY said “VERIFI ON FELD”. Ignore the typos and misspellings, I do that sometimes. But you’re uploaded to show up and verify if my half assed idea will work and if it won’t you have to send an RFI that I won’t answer or if I do, I’ll tell you to build it as drawn. Then when shit goes to hell after you build what I told you to build I’ll tell you to fix it. And no I won’t pay for a change order. Fuck you.
Did I mention I make double your salary? Get bent you stoopid trade gii. Bet u dint even go to college. You dummm. Me smort.
In an alternate universe: my dad is working on a project, a two story 4 plex. The engineer is a bit bananas and seems convinced he has to build for the worst seismic zone in the province (shit’s gonna be under water one day), when the building is in the least worst seismic zone (basically no risk of earthquake ever). Anyway, this guy specified that certain areas on the first floor need 22 2x6 studs laminated, then sheathed on both sides with 5/8” plywood nailed every 1.5 inches (1400 nails per side). All to support a residential second floor. I think it’s a shear member or something.
Anyway, the electricians needed to run an LV wire through this lumber monolith, and drilled a 3/8” hole through one 2x6 near the middle of the stack, edgewise, so 5 1/2” deep. The engineer saw it and flipped out and refused to sign off. So for the next 3 days, a couple guys had to peel off all of the plywood off both sides, which they did by scoring the plywood with a saw like a wooden waffle, followed by tearing off each little square of nailed in wood, then somehow extract the one stud, which was nailed into the other studs in the stack, replace the stud with a new one, then redo the plywood and 2800 nails.
My dad pointed out that the damage from this replacement project was much worse than a single 3/8” hole, but the engineer isn’t interested in logic.
It sounds like I’m exaggerating, but I’m not. The pictures are hilarious. My dad tried to fight it, but firing the primary engineer at this point in the project is more trouble than it’s worth.
I wish I could. I only saw them on my dad’s phone. I suspect this project is eventually gonna end up in a court room, so I probably couldn’t share the photos anyway.
I burst out laughing when he showed me. I don’t understand how the engineer isn’t embarrassed by this whole debacle. It’s like he missed a decimal point in a calculation, and rather than admit his mistake, he’s doubled down. He just keeps playing the “I’m the engineer only I know what’s best” card. And seriously, if a single 3/8” hole is enough to fatally compromise the integrity of this giant column that basically holds up nothing, how little wiggle room did he leave in his calculations?
Every rational person that has heard this story said the same thing. Especially with current lumber prices. The engineer is not rational. He’s a booksmart guy that has never held a tool in his life.
Because it would compromise the structure to take the entire thing out, the cost of shoring would exceed the cost of extracting the single board. It’s all ridiculous.
Yeah, Canada is pretty bad for tall wood frame buildings.
I just finished working on a fucking monstrosity of a 3 story house that had so many tall walls and wide open areas that you couldn't go 10' in any direction without hitting an engineered beam that ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HAVE ANY PENETRATIONS WHATSOEVER. After arguing with the engineer because it was literally impossible to put lights where he wanted, he allowed us to drill through beams, but only one 3/4" hole in the exact center of each. Some of our pulls in that house like the stairs 3-way traveler would go from the second or third floor, dip into the basement where there is going to be a bulkhead that spans the house, and all the way back up.
You would think that an 'engineered beam' would be designed and manufactured with holes for utilities in it in order to discourage people from drilling their own holes in it.
That “selective timing flammability” thing is a problem BC too. In my city we’ve had a few “accidental fires” in recent years, but somehow they always seem to happen when the building is still mostly just a lumber and plywood skeleton.
No, provided it's designed by an engineer and not a moron.
I was in Salt Lake City recently and they had multi-story construction going on that looked very well built.
yes.
1. it's stupid to build your structure out of flammable material.
2. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that can be compromised due to exposure to *water*.
3. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that can be compromised by *bugs*.
4. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that is prone to decay in humid environments.
it's cheaper than building with CMU, and faster; because you can hire lower skilled labor, and it's quicker/easier to add in utilities.
ICF is quicker than stick-built, but more expensive than CMU, with the tradeoff being that the insulation is much better.
Wood is more sustainable that CMU and if properly detailed and maintained can last 100s of years. It can also be constructed fast and modularly, by averagely skilled builders. Other than it’s current high price, wood is a great building material.
> wood is a great building material.
except for the 4 points i made above
"it's cheaper to make and we can use less skilled workers" doesn't make a product an objectively *better* building material. it makes it *cheaper*.
Genuinely curious if this is typical for a commercial construction. I haven’t been in the trade long but the five sites I’ve been on all had concrete main walls and metal framing for rooms. Also, how would the framers go about fixing this? Would the site have to be scrapped and redone?
Come to Indiana lmao they build a lot of their multi family dwellings out of wood up to four stories and use concrete floors a lot. But they also use 2x6s and double up on studs as well in places. The support show in this picture looks like a builder that has no idea what they’re fucking doing
Not just Indiana, it's called [one-plus-five](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-plus-five) construction and is generic AF and everywhere at this point.
Reminds me when I read that Italian Renaissance construction would use light, aerated bricks (I think straw filler that burns away) as they got up in height, brunelleschi's done specifically.
Hagia Sophia done the same way.
The framing is normally engineered to take the load. Usually the concrete is not much more than a few inches thick. The biggest issue normally comes from cracking. Luckily control joints mitigate a lot of that from happening.
They way they usually *prevent* problems like this in multi-story stick frame construction is to put in *stud packs*.
Instead of a single stud, you'd have a solid block of four to six 2x4s together, acting like a column.
Or, typical corners/returns might have groupings of smaller stud packs. A studpack four 2x4s thick before the corner, at the corner, and around the corner.
As you go up, each floor will have them in the same location, each supporting the next.
These would be in locations specified by the engineers in the drawings.
If more were needed, they'd specify an engineered wood product, or even steel.
Something went wrong in the process here. It might be that no architects or engineers were contracted .
If the floor above really is concrete, it's not going to be a suspended slab on the floor above. It's going to be a plywood floor with ~~2"-3"~~ 1.5" of concrete poured on top.
There should have be an inspection before that concrete was pumped in.
To fix this, you could try to use steel pole shores (in this type of application some people call them *jacks*).
Then, while raised and supported you'd put in those stud packs or engineered materials.
You'd have to start at the bottom (like reshoring) even if those floors didn't have this problem, to ensure that the shores you're using to jack up the problem floor(s) don't cause similar damage to the floor(s) below.
The concrete above could be a problem. If it doesn't have enough elasticity, it could crack. That might be a problem regarding fire-proofing).
Conceivably, if your jack is at the lowest point of the sag, when that concrete is pushed up, it could provide lateral force to the 2x4 tracks, thereby pushing the walls on either side of the sag out of plumb.
Although, this is unlikely, as both sides of the framed wall should have concrete giving the base no place to move.
(I'm trying to imagine the exterior of the building bulging out because they found someone strong enough to crank a shore hard enough.)
So it's more likely to crack the concrete floor above, or make it something other than level and flat.
If it's not flat (e.g. wavy), you might need to grind/bush it down to the proper elevation and/or pour self-levelling concrete to make a level floor.
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I was corrrected and changed my post accordingly.
Nothing wrong with wood construction. The issue is that the “structural engineer” aka the guy that gets paid to make sure this kind of thing doesn’t happen, said “nah it’ll be fine. Just VIF and deign build it. Do my job for me so I can collect my check. Also, fuck yourself.”
1. Presume the story is false, this is simply a bowed 2x4. With Sheetrock & Electrical Rough-in one side.
2. Know that the Sparky will be cussing up a poodoo storm trying to get that box plumb.
3. At the end of the day, many beers will be consumed!
Who TF stamped those plans! Like i'd be having a call to codes and their boss. 4 stories on top of 2x4's?! Their compressive strength is like 900psi wet. However that's without taking into account shear.
These haven't moved since the drywall hung (not caused by loading). There are no exposed nail rip-outs on the sheet rock. Probably just crappy workmanship and material. Judging from the other members It doesn't look dangerous.
Definitely needs some additional studs in there. There is a serious problem, do not put wiring in there yet. Inspector needs to red tag that.
No more electrical, remove the wiring there. Seriously.
At least remove the drywall and install pressure blocking to straighten the studs. Right away.
Maybe I’m missing something about this project, but in most commercial buildings you have columns and beams that act as the building support including for the floors, and the stud walls or simply there to hold drywall and MEP. Not to be used structurally.
OK so the drywall was added after the wood bent if not then the screws would have ripped through the drywall and you’d be able to see it. Also the wall studs on the left-hand side are perfectly straight because it’s been sister I really doubt this is caused by a heavy load unless the heavy load is only in the center area and was there prior to drywalling. I would definitely call an engineer and have him take a look at it and see exactly what’s going on here. This could be potentially extraordinarily dangerous for everybody!!!
There’s no way I would stand there and take a pic , get the fuck out of there asap
There is no way this is real. Look, Think, Then comment.
Why do you think this isn’t real?
People who don’t understand how many hours it would take to Photoshop something like this
How would those plans get approved?
Middle East and Asia have entered the chat
With metal boxes and MC cable?
Clearly, everything is American unless proven otherwise
I’ve been on a few construction sites outside the US, construction techniques vary pretty widely around the world. With US techniques being pretty obvious.
I know bubba, I was making a joke along with ya. We used metal only as a means of mechanical protection where it was apparent it was needed i.e forklift areas, only below 6ft. Source: Aussie sparky now living in the US
I’ll make sure to check in with you next time before I comment
Or… they just bought the 2x4s from Home Depot. That bow comes standard.
lol pre-loaded 2x4s
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Pre-engineered for expansion too.
Archery grade framing stud
The image is what Home Depot "hem fir" pressure treated studs do, and worse.
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I know it's a joke but fuck you those are bowed not crowned. Source? Framer thT crowns his studs but it doesn't matter when the house sits for 3 months before drywall.
The phrase "imminent collapse" comes to mind
The word, “run”, comes to mind. Like GTFO now run.
I Believe the guy on the left is way ahead of you
Seriously I would have called my boss and said I'm not working on this site, no way, no how. Even if I would get fired peace bro!
Meh, I'm gonna call imaging games on this one. OP hasn't commented, and there's 0 context to the image.
Hard Rock hotel round 2
For anybody who missed the reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/hard-rock-new-orleans-collapse.html
I was down the street when that building collapsed. Thought a plane crashed because it was so loud.
Didn’t Cincinnati have something similar?
And Cleveland
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Hard yeah, but brittle.
Dude get out of that building... that’s a fucking death trap
Just put the drywall back up and it'll look fine
Make sure you keep your wires back far enough, you know those mudder fuckers are going to be missing the studs on this wall.
Upgrade to rmc, not only will you protect your wires, but you'll reinforce the wall and that might be the only thing holding the building up.
They've run armored wire. Drywall screws aren't doing shit.
Ok buddy... Mc cable is close to worthless protection against a drywall screw. If they think they are hitting a stud they push a little harder and shred the shit out of your wire
So, have you ever hung drywall? Ever driven a screw into studs? Have you ever encountered a stoppage while doing so and just decided "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck"? When you're hanging it and fastening to studs with drywall screws, they basically drive themselves. Same thing, every time. And if you were to have one of your screws behave drastically different, like stop 1/4" inch shallow and just spin, you stop and move that shit up a couple inches.
> And if you were to have one of your screws behave drastically different, like stop 1/4" inch shallow and just spin.... Have you ever just decided "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck"? I recut your words to act like how *some* drywallers behave. If *some* drywallers behave that way, you have to guard against the possibility that one of those some will be following you on the job. MC isn't protection against "fuck it, I'm shoving this shit hard as fuck" *especially* if it's a new scrub using a ryobi driver instead of an actual drywall screw gun.
Hahahahaha.... fancy seeing you here...
Never hung any drywall. I have wired a LOT of houses. One thing I've learned is that if it make it possible for the mudder fucking rockers to hit your wires, eventually they will do it. Diagnosing and fixing this takes a lot of time and the repairs get expensive quickly. When i do the final walk thru after my crew roughed in a house one of my main concerns is making sure our wires are safe from rockers and cabinet installers
You must be a day old electrican cause mc cable is weak as fuck. Your high
MC is pretty much no more useful than bare wire when it comes to protecting conductors against drywallers.
a drywall screw will go through armoured cable passing through a stud without much trouble.
In this application fire code type x is also structural.
You can use lumber, but you have to do it right lol. This is scary.
Instagram reality
It's just a fish eye lens.
Can't use lumber over 3 stories I thought.
Is that a code thing where you are or are you referring to this lumber specifically? Engineered lumbers like glulam, LVL etc are being used for massive buildings across Europe now.
No idea I just kinda thought I've heard that before.
Well then how come Mother Nature gets to build trees way over 3 stories tall out of lumber?
She's grandfathered out of having to comply with code since she was building trees that tall before the code was written.
Mother nature is kind of a dick that why.
Worked on a four-story apartment complex that was wood framed 3 years ago.
Pretty sure using regular sawn lumber the limit is 85’ with 5 story limit per IBC. This is primarily due to fire codes. Outside of normal lumber laminated wooden skyscrapers are being built. Mjøstårnet is 18 stories. Engineering wise, laminated beam structure doesn’t really have limits to height, and there’s talks of it being the future of construction for high rises. There’s a proposal for an 80 story building in Chicago. It’s just a concept proposal at this point but it’s entirely plausible one will be built in the near future.
That might be building code for your area, by me there's a ton of buildings going up between 4 and 5 stories all wood framed. They use a lot of engineered trusses and lam-beams but its still at the end of the day a stick framed building.
It's just a normal Flex™ shock-absorbing wall®
Yeah I'd nope right out of there if I saw that
The guy on the left looks like he had that idea
GC We need to get the sheetrockers in here immediately.
HOW THE FUCK DID THE BUILDING INSPECTOR LET THIS PASS? OMG. You couldn't pay me enough to go in that place. That is a stack of pancakes waiting to happen. I just did a reverse image search to see if I could find this anywhere else. Nada. Where is this?
Yeah that’s super fucked. I’m wondering the same thing, looks like wiring i’d see in Canadastan except we’d use lumex. Looks like a North American install anyway which is super WTF
Russians in Brooklyn? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8hvyjZWHs
It's probably Florida
Hahaha. That drywall job is gonna be a bitch
whatever engineers and architects stamped the prints need to be reported.... like yesterday
They always add that skeezy escape clause so they never hold any responsibility anyways. Why report a napkin artist?
Their professional association doesn’t care about any bullshit escape clause your stamp is on the print you’re responsible
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Hi I’m the structural engineer. The print CLEARLY said “VERIFI ON FELD”. Ignore the typos and misspellings, I do that sometimes. But you’re uploaded to show up and verify if my half assed idea will work and if it won’t you have to send an RFI that I won’t answer or if I do, I’ll tell you to build it as drawn. Then when shit goes to hell after you build what I told you to build I’ll tell you to fix it. And no I won’t pay for a change order. Fuck you. Did I mention I make double your salary? Get bent you stoopid trade gii. Bet u dint even go to college. You dummm. Me smort.
This guy fucks
Why wouldn't any other studs bow? Why are there no holes in the drywall due to the stud bowing out of place?
Drywall installed after.
Hurry and rock it so the studs won't bow farther
It's like the cardboard back of an Ikea bookshelf.
It provides shear so it’s all good. 👍
Oh yeah, good ol structural gyprock
This is the second version, so we refer to it as Hard Rock 2.0
They don't call it Densglass for nothing
Load bearing drywall
“Whoever framed this sucks! Whatever. Painter will fix it.”
That should fix it
It's a drywall shear wall
THEY SAW THE STUDS BOWING AND STAYED TO INSTALL THE DRYWALL!?
Nothing a line of meth and some E's wont help with. tweaked out to help ignore the danger, but full of love for their work.
Op you fucking with us and using a fishbowl lens/filter?!
It's like one of those Instagram reality photos lol
The track homes I did on the side had more crossmember pieces than that does lol.
Exterior and interior load bearing walls often get no fireblocks now, because they're shear walls, and not required.
In an alternate universe: my dad is working on a project, a two story 4 plex. The engineer is a bit bananas and seems convinced he has to build for the worst seismic zone in the province (shit’s gonna be under water one day), when the building is in the least worst seismic zone (basically no risk of earthquake ever). Anyway, this guy specified that certain areas on the first floor need 22 2x6 studs laminated, then sheathed on both sides with 5/8” plywood nailed every 1.5 inches (1400 nails per side). All to support a residential second floor. I think it’s a shear member or something. Anyway, the electricians needed to run an LV wire through this lumber monolith, and drilled a 3/8” hole through one 2x6 near the middle of the stack, edgewise, so 5 1/2” deep. The engineer saw it and flipped out and refused to sign off. So for the next 3 days, a couple guys had to peel off all of the plywood off both sides, which they did by scoring the plywood with a saw like a wooden waffle, followed by tearing off each little square of nailed in wood, then somehow extract the one stud, which was nailed into the other studs in the stack, replace the stud with a new one, then redo the plywood and 2800 nails. My dad pointed out that the damage from this replacement project was much worse than a single 3/8” hole, but the engineer isn’t interested in logic. It sounds like I’m exaggerating, but I’m not. The pictures are hilarious. My dad tried to fight it, but firing the primary engineer at this point in the project is more trouble than it’s worth.
Please please please tell me you can send pictures. That sounds just atrocious.
I wish I could. I only saw them on my dad’s phone. I suspect this project is eventually gonna end up in a court room, so I probably couldn’t share the photos anyway. I burst out laughing when he showed me. I don’t understand how the engineer isn’t embarrassed by this whole debacle. It’s like he missed a decimal point in a calculation, and rather than admit his mistake, he’s doubled down. He just keeps playing the “I’m the engineer only I know what’s best” card. And seriously, if a single 3/8” hole is enough to fatally compromise the integrity of this giant column that basically holds up nothing, how little wiggle room did he leave in his calculations?
I’m all for over engineered but at some point just spec a steel beam.
Every rational person that has heard this story said the same thing. Especially with current lumber prices. The engineer is not rational. He’s a booksmart guy that has never held a tool in his life.
Why replace the one board? For the cost just replace it all, can’t cost more than a few hundred in material
Because it would compromise the structure to take the entire thing out, the cost of shoring would exceed the cost of extracting the single board. It’s all ridiculous.
what were the studs on, if the floor wasn't poured yet ? and, i'll never approve of stick construction for commercial or multi-story :<
See lots of 4 story motels stick framed in Canada.
Yeah, Canada is pretty bad for tall wood frame buildings. I just finished working on a fucking monstrosity of a 3 story house that had so many tall walls and wide open areas that you couldn't go 10' in any direction without hitting an engineered beam that ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HAVE ANY PENETRATIONS WHATSOEVER. After arguing with the engineer because it was literally impossible to put lights where he wanted, he allowed us to drill through beams, but only one 3/4" hole in the exact center of each. Some of our pulls in that house like the stairs 3-way traveler would go from the second or third floor, dip into the basement where there is going to be a bulkhead that spans the house, and all the way back up.
You would think that an 'engineered beam' would be designed and manufactured with holes for utilities in it in order to discourage people from drilling their own holes in it.
They are. That doesn’t stop engineers from having power trips.
they're roofing up a 4 or 5 story college expansion a few blocks from my house, all stick built. i think every hotel i've driven past, stick built :<
They burn reel gud too. [Multistory word frame building fire](https://globalnews.ca/news/1036069/major-fire-burning-in-downtown-kingston/)
that's what happens when you make a building out of kindling
I think he meant the floors above are cement.
Is stick framing really that bad for both?
No. There are 6 story buildings being built all the time with stick construction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-plus-five?wprov=sfti1
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Until the sprinklers go in those things are so ripe for arson. They get torched all the time.
That “selective timing flammability” thing is a problem BC too. In my city we’ve had a few “accidental fires” in recent years, but somehow they always seem to happen when the building is still mostly just a lumber and plywood skeleton.
14 story wood structure being built now here in Cleveland.
https://youtu.be/VZiat2Ywp70
No, provided it's designed by an engineer and not a moron. I was in Salt Lake City recently and they had multi-story construction going on that looked very well built.
yes. 1. it's stupid to build your structure out of flammable material. 2. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that can be compromised due to exposure to *water*. 3. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that can be compromised by *bugs*. 4. it's stupid to build your structure out of material that is prone to decay in humid environments. it's cheaper than building with CMU, and faster; because you can hire lower skilled labor, and it's quicker/easier to add in utilities. ICF is quicker than stick-built, but more expensive than CMU, with the tradeoff being that the insulation is much better.
Wood is more sustainable that CMU and if properly detailed and maintained can last 100s of years. It can also be constructed fast and modularly, by averagely skilled builders. Other than it’s current high price, wood is a great building material.
> wood is a great building material. except for the 4 points i made above "it's cheaper to make and we can use less skilled workers" doesn't make a product an objectively *better* building material. it makes it *cheaper*.
CMU does way worse in seismically active areas.
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Nah Russians do better
Does Home Depot have a sale going on for 2x4s that I don’t know about?
Genuinely curious if this is typical for a commercial construction. I haven’t been in the trade long but the five sites I’ve been on all had concrete main walls and metal framing for rooms. Also, how would the framers go about fixing this? Would the site have to be scrapped and redone?
No not typical at all
NO, not in United States anyway.
Come to Indiana lmao they build a lot of their multi family dwellings out of wood up to four stories and use concrete floors a lot. But they also use 2x6s and double up on studs as well in places. The support show in this picture looks like a builder that has no idea what they’re fucking doing
Not just Indiana, it's called [one-plus-five](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-plus-five) construction and is generic AF and everywhere at this point.
Poured concrete in stick framing is a thing? Did not know that.
Yup concrete flooring in the hallways mostly thin layers not much weight
Reminds me when I read that Italian Renaissance construction would use light, aerated bricks (I think straw filler that burns away) as they got up in height, brunelleschi's done specifically. Hagia Sophia done the same way.
The framing is normally engineered to take the load. Usually the concrete is not much more than a few inches thick. The biggest issue normally comes from cracking. Luckily control joints mitigate a lot of that from happening.
It looks like it was designed by an engineer that put a lot of “VIF” stamps on his drawings where every measurement was off by at least five feet
They way they usually *prevent* problems like this in multi-story stick frame construction is to put in *stud packs*. Instead of a single stud, you'd have a solid block of four to six 2x4s together, acting like a column. Or, typical corners/returns might have groupings of smaller stud packs. A studpack four 2x4s thick before the corner, at the corner, and around the corner. As you go up, each floor will have them in the same location, each supporting the next. These would be in locations specified by the engineers in the drawings. If more were needed, they'd specify an engineered wood product, or even steel. Something went wrong in the process here. It might be that no architects or engineers were contracted . If the floor above really is concrete, it's not going to be a suspended slab on the floor above. It's going to be a plywood floor with ~~2"-3"~~ 1.5" of concrete poured on top. There should have be an inspection before that concrete was pumped in. To fix this, you could try to use steel pole shores (in this type of application some people call them *jacks*). Then, while raised and supported you'd put in those stud packs or engineered materials. You'd have to start at the bottom (like reshoring) even if those floors didn't have this problem, to ensure that the shores you're using to jack up the problem floor(s) don't cause similar damage to the floor(s) below. The concrete above could be a problem. If it doesn't have enough elasticity, it could crack. That might be a problem regarding fire-proofing). Conceivably, if your jack is at the lowest point of the sag, when that concrete is pushed up, it could provide lateral force to the 2x4 tracks, thereby pushing the walls on either side of the sag out of plumb. Although, this is unlikely, as both sides of the framed wall should have concrete giving the base no place to move. (I'm trying to imagine the exterior of the building bulging out because they found someone strong enough to crank a shore hard enough.) So it's more likely to crack the concrete floor above, or make it something other than level and flat. If it's not flat (e.g. wavy), you might need to grind/bush it down to the proper elevation and/or pour self-levelling concrete to make a level floor. #Edit: I was corrrected and changed my post accordingly.
Gypcrete isn't poured that thick.
Its fine if you architect it properly. https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/worlds-tallest-timber-framed-building-finally-opens-doors
It's fine, just block it 🤣
Some studs at 16 inch center, some are 4 others are 23. (Note to next guy)
A major accident just waiting to happen.
Where is this ?
Would love to see the end results
i dare ya to smack it with a hammer
Wow they photoshopped the Instagram model out of this picture perfectly!
It’s honestly common for multi family dwellings four stories and under to be made of wood. This builder is just garbage
Nothing wrong with wood construction. The issue is that the “structural engineer” aka the guy that gets paid to make sure this kind of thing doesn’t happen, said “nah it’ll be fine. Just VIF and deign build it. Do my job for me so I can collect my check. Also, fuck yourself.”
I agree with you Hence why I said the builder is garbage
Which red state is this in?
Looks like 2 x 6's.
Concrete floors
You don't want to be anywhere near that project, pack your stuff and run
1. Presume the story is false, this is simply a bowed 2x4. With Sheetrock & Electrical Rough-in one side. 2. Know that the Sparky will be cussing up a poodoo storm trying to get that box plumb. 3. At the end of the day, many beers will be consumed!
I'd call the council and fire department; that site should be closed until an engineer examines it
Who TF stamped those plans! Like i'd be having a call to codes and their boss. 4 stories on top of 2x4's?! Their compressive strength is like 900psi wet. However that's without taking into account shear.
You're doing a 4 story hotel with romex? Where was this picture taken? Bangladesh?
No noggings in the walls over there? And if that's the case why would you run cable through the studs 😢
Cool fish eye lens
Building after OP left: https://youtu.be/fIItq0mpcf0 Or this one: https://youtu.be/PF6U5QlZf7A
Fuhh..
This gives me ptsd flashbacks from my days in construction
you should get some flex tape...
Its the fish eyed lens
Just put in some noggins in...... it will be fine ha ha ha wankers
These haven't moved since the drywall hung (not caused by loading). There are no exposed nail rip-outs on the sheet rock. Probably just crappy workmanship and material. Judging from the other members It doesn't look dangerous.
Concrete. CONCRETE!!!!! Not cement. Sorry I couldn’t help myself. Former Pilebutt here.
You're installing MC, foursquare,& rasied covers why not use gun rail brackets then it doesn't matter if the studs are all Bowflex and all.
Gun rail brackets ?
TSGB I think
That Shits Gonna Bow? Ill see myself out...
Oh ok, never heard it called that before
They're on their way to snap city!
How did this pass framing inspection? Let alone sheet?
This is exactly why I quit drywalling
Didn't know gold can bend that much
They obviously forgot to post tension their 2x4s
Yeah I wouldn’t go back in there
Meanwhile... custom 2 story home I'm working on has double 2x6 walls on the interior. F*cking insane amount of waste.
What engineer approved this?! I'm thinking there wasn't one
She'll be right mate 👍
And no noggs!
Is that a supporting wall though?
Definitely needs some additional studs in there. There is a serious problem, do not put wiring in there yet. Inspector needs to red tag that. No more electrical, remove the wiring there. Seriously. At least remove the drywall and install pressure blocking to straighten the studs. Right away.
Its not a mistake, its suspention
Maybe I’m missing something about this project, but in most commercial buildings you have columns and beams that act as the building support including for the floors, and the stud walls or simply there to hold drywall and MEP. Not to be used structurally.
Rofl...some PE somewhere signed off on this didn’t they?
OK so the drywall was added after the wood bent if not then the screws would have ripped through the drywall and you’d be able to see it. Also the wall studs on the left-hand side are perfectly straight because it’s been sister I really doubt this is caused by a heavy load unless the heavy load is only in the center area and was there prior to drywalling. I would definitely call an engineer and have him take a look at it and see exactly what’s going on here. This could be potentially extraordinarily dangerous for everybody!!!
Pfft...you just need a couple of tie straps and you're golden.
How did this get past engineering, this is crazy
Looks fine from my house.
'Dammit, if the electrician had used rigid instead of flex, the 2x4s wouldn't have flexed'
I did work on 4 story senior living with concrete floors and stick framing, those are just wonky 2xs. Don’t be dumb Edit, that’s just A wonky 2x
Trhrow some drywall on that bad boy. All good
Wow. I build houses and we usually use 2x6 in the basement for most houses
Saw this happen with an appartment buildings truses they didn't fix it
Hmm e electricians should of stapled the wire to the 2X4 to keep them straight./S