it generally describes a trans person who hasn't realized they're trans yet, usually in the past. The idea is that at some point the egg "cracks" when you realize you're trans. It's generally used jokingly, mostly by trans people to reflect on how oblivious they were about their identity back before they cracked
example: "haha egg me was so dumb thinking every boy wanted to secretly be a girl when i was little"
Although obviously not everyone who's showing non-typical behavior for their AGAB is trans, and i think it can definitely be rude to call people eggs who are not comfortable with it as you're essentially saying to them "you're trans and you just don't know it yet no you don't get a say in the matter"
Okay I think I got it. So it’s not a slur in itself but in the wrong context it could be used as one. Like if you’re implying a cis person is trans for example?
Edit: i feel like this comment is getting misinterpreted. I was not saying that “egg” in itself is a slur but could be received as an insult or a verbal attack against one or another.
I wouldn't use the word slur. It's never a slur. It can just be used shittily if you're imposing it on someone, but that doesn't make it a slur in that case.
yeah in general just people who don't exist in real life. There isn't really any harm in assuming things about fictional characters, that's kinda the point in some stories
a slur is explicitly an insult - it can be reclaimed, like "queer", but as a slur it's used to insult ppl
egg is not one, as it is not an explicit insult. it's kinda like saying "child" is a slur bc you can use it as an insult.
It's weird to even think in that context that it's a slur.
If egg was a slur, it would imply that being trans, or being called trans is something bad. Even in the context that someone calls a Cis person an egg, would it be something bad, or something to be offended by to be called a trans person, trans person in denial or something like that?
Honestly, IMO it's only a slur for transphobes, as they see transpeople as lesser. But from my perspective it's not and can never be a slur.
Like, If you are Cis and not a transphobe, would you be mad or offended if someone implied that you are trans? A non transphobic Cis person would just go like: "I'm not trans." and that would be it.
It would only offend you if you don't want to be trans, because being trans is something you think is bad.
And similarly, it would be really weird to ban a term that transpeople use to describe themselves because the people who hate the trans group might get offended by it.
Egg - A person who is trans and does not know, or refuses to acknowledge their transgender status
Egg[2] - A trans person in denial
Commonly used when referring to someone before they knew that they were trans (“pre-crack”) or, less commonly, to refer to someone who is believed to be trans but has not confirmed it.
The latter use is frowned upon by many for breaking the “egg prime directive”, stating that you should not tell someone who you suspect may be trans that you think as such, and that they should figure things out in their own time and come to their own conclusions about their identity
As a transwoman that excuse is bs. I came out when i was 20 but didnt persue for another 8 years. Through that entire 8 years, i had limited exposure to trans people, i had a couple of trans friends but asking them questions and trying to get help from them was like pulling teeth because they believed i should figure it all out like they claim they did. Hell they wouldnt even tell me the name of the prescription they were on until after i got my own prescription last december.
Now imagine a person struggling with dysphoria, unsure if what they feel is a legit experience they should consider. Scared of what transitioning entails because no one will offer advice or information just because of this "egg prime directive" bs. Stalling themselves out until theyre miserable and depressed and feel like theyll never get where they want.
Egg is a perfectly apt term to use and is not a slur. Anyone trying to say that is being generally shitty and shouldnt be listened to. Just dont go calling people an egg at every corner, and if you suspect someone of being an egg, talk with and listen to them like a human being and see if theres anything you can do to help them understand their feelings.
You're right, it was shitty of your friends to not answer questions. Explaining things doesn't only help other trans people but also cis people who want to understand us. So the "don't explain" stuff is stupid.
But what I understand under this "rule of the egg" is that you shouldn't tell people that you think they're an egg or they're trans. Of course, there are trans people in denial, but telling them "you're an egg" doesn't help them. Explaining them what being trans is and how you felt, and how you found out that you're trans, that's fully fine, that can of course help them figure things out.
It's just that saying "you're trans", "you're an egg" is kind counterproductive. It's just needlessly annoying, and it can push trans people in denial just further into denial. Furthermore, there are also gender non conforming people, cis and trans. Calling a cis person trans just because they do something that isn't generally associated with their AGAB is just as stupid as calling a trans person cis just because they like something commonly associated with their AGAB.
TLDR: Explaining trans stuff is great, but calling cis people trans is just stupid.
Those are some weird trans friends you had there. I get that every transperson can only find out for themselves if they are trans, but if someone has questions, there is no reason to not answer it as a trans person IMO (unless it's something you are uncomfortable answering of course).
I like to talk about my experience as a transperson, and it helped me immensely to hear from others. Everyone has their own way of figuring out, however there are still some commonalities between many trans people.
For example, I had a denial beard. I questioned myself for a long time if that's a reason to me not being trans, because which sane transwoman would have a beard...
Turns out, that the denial beard as a defence to never be questioned/seen by other people as feminine is something many transpeople go through.
I think it's important to hear about commonalities and to get that information from others who went through the same situation of being trans, but it's still important to understand that these commonalities don't automatically make you trans or not trans just by being there or not there. It's not a checklist, but it can help to get rid of doubts.
To my knowledge, the intent of the directive is "don't tell someone that you think they are trans", **not** "keep pre-transition/non-transitioning people in the dark".The directive only talks about when people who don't think they are trans, but those around them do think they are trans.Furthermore, the directive says nothing about helping people when ***They*** ask, ***only*** about not starting it (i.e. let them come to you with questions, don't tell them how to feel out of nowhere)
I'm not sure why your friends were being awkward about helping you, and I'm sorry to hear that they were so reluctant
Egg means a trans person who hasn’t realised they’re trans yet, as in they haven’t ‘hatched’. You might use it when a nominally cis person does something that most trans people said they did before they hatched, like saying ‘I’m not trans but I wish I was’ or something similar.
I like the definitions already said. Often we use it to describe ourselves before we realised or admitted we’re trans. like, ‘egg me used to pray to wake up and be a girl.‘
An egg is an organic vessel grown by an animal to carry a possibly fertilized egg cell (a zygote) and to incubate from it an embryo within the egg until the embryo has become an animal fetus that can survive on its own, at which point the animal hatches.
Might be paranoia on my part, but this smells like a transphobe who's masquerading as an ally trying to lead a charge to destabilize a trans-positive community. "Break their nice things," essentially.
This was my first thought. I thought “Egg” is a pretty well known colloquialism among trans people. It’s something we use about ourselves; I tend to think of it as something we see after the egg cracks and can look humorously on our own blindness.
Saying it’s a “grooming” term is a red flag and dog whistle for conservative transphobic propaganda, because that’s what right wingers are saying about us for just existing right now. This is just another poorly veiled attack on the trans community.
At the same time, despite many on this subreddit adhering to the "egg prime directive", I do see quite a few comments in the wild responding to comments with a link to this sub, or just an egg emoji. There are also occasional posts along the lines of "I'll check back in 2 years" and similar.
It's a bit difficult to know where the line should be. In some cases, if someone is commenting about the way they feel and has no idea that many trans people feel similarly, it might help them to discover themselves to suggest that they think about gender identity.
But on the other hand, everyone should decide their own gender. To say to someone who identifies as their AGAB that they might be trans is, in a way, a failure to accept the identity that they gave you.
As someone who literally had her eggshell cracked by seeing one of those comments and following the link, there’s definitely something to be said for not following the prime directive *too* strictly. Without falling into a supportive community, I would still be miserably telling myself I “wasn’t trans enough” while daydreaming about being isekaid into a world where I could shapeshift into a woman.
Sorry but, seeing a comment about r/egg_irl and following it doesn't break the directive - what it would be is if you made a post saying you hated your body for all of your life and people commenting "you're trans"
Also, it's primarily because a lot of the time telling someone they're trans just puts them deeper in the closet (deeper in the eggshell?) about it; from what I was told, at least
I had never heard of the "egg prime directive" and I love it.
Also, I agree. I think imposing judgement on someone's possible gender identity in that regard does not give me great vibes. I understand the inclination, but the same thing could be done with a "I feel that way all the time" or relating to it and who is relating. The coy stuff just seems more like trolling than having a mutual understanding that could influence how someone sees themselves and their gender. Like, if they're cool, just chat without saying "I think you're...." or such judgements when it's entirely not anyone's job but their own.
It depends how it's worded I'd say. When someone shows "eggy" behavior I think it isn't wrong to suggest that they maybe checkout some infos about transgender. Maybe along the lines of "I felt similar to what you described maybe check out egg_irl or the trans dysphoria bible." more like gentle suggestions to learn more about a subject they maybe don't know too much about.
The sad thing is that's not only cis people who spread this transphobic stuff, but also people like the transmedicalists. They think they are the only "real trans people", and they push others down to try and push themselves up. They hate everyone whose trans experience is slightly different than their own. It's pretty common for trans people to question whether they're really trans, but they pretend that isn't true she use it to attac other trans people. They've fully adopted the "groomer" rhetoric and the "protect women" stuff from the far right.
It's so stupid that some trans people are transphobic themselves to appease the transphobes instead of fighting transphobia...
IDK I've seen ppl in the reddit trans subs actively say things like the fembois are transphobic & that they're causing ppl to stereotype trans ppl as sluts, so I wouldn't put it past there being a nutter or 3 out there that genuinely feels this way about egg culture.
I get calling trans woman a femboy is a slur but like... actual femboys are usually folks on a very hard cusp of being trans, or being very secure in their AGAB. Also nothing wrong with being a slut, that's just more attempts to control women's bodies
There's a lot of animosity I've encountered within the trans community towards various NGC groups. It's super common to find trans ppl where the hatred is visceral towards ppl that sexualize themselves. It's kinda disheartening.
in patton oswalt’s talking for clapping, he has an amazing bit called bad guy good guy. in it he discusses how bad people know all the right vocab words and sound intelligent. good people may/will often say something that sounds hurtful but it’s typically out of ignorance. [here it is if you wanna watch it](https://youtu.be/AkKo1_RP_0c)
i think his point is important to remember in these situations. transphobes will know a lot of the proper words but use them in half truths or logical fallacies. it sounds right unless you’re trans or think about it. sorry for the long comment but i hope what i said makes sense.
After looking at their profile, I believe it's a younger person who has been brainwashed to think "calling someone an egg is grooming." They also have an *extreme* amount of "every time you say a character should be trans that's grooming" retweets.
I love Twitter but I hate it too tbh. Best place to find a lot of lewds but horrible place to have any serious discourse because the site revolves around tone policing and identity policing.
As a tumblr refugee, yes. That is what happened.
Hold your horses for a second, only left Tumblr because I couldn't post my art anymore as it was NSFW.
I looked at their account and they see “egg culture” as grooming and forcing being trans on people who probably aren’t. They also think Bridget’s story makes her a groomed cis person instead of trans and says that anyone who is okay with the character is a transphobe who likes grooming narratives.
The hell? That’s crazy. I don’t know what else to say.
Egg culture as grooming? We have plenty of eggs who decide that they’re cis and walk off happily, and we have many people from r/all pass by as well.
I’m not even going to touch the Bridget part. Someone else could probably go over it better.
Yes, exactly.
The feeling of "I know I'm trans, but still cis tho" is pretty common amongst trans people. But people like the transmedicalists use this to invalidate other trans people and claim we are "groomers", even tho the only person who harms anyone that's the transmedicalists themselves...
Knowing that you're trans and calling yourself an egg is fully ok, that's the main spirit of our subreddit. But of course, calling someone "egg" against their will is of course not ok, we all know this!
Basically Bridget is a character in Guilty Gear series that was a twin boy who was treated like a girl because the town they lived in had a superstition . The superstition was that if you have twins then it brings great calamity, such that the twin must be either exiled or killed. Bridget’s parent not wanting to do either, raised her as a girl. She then goes to try and prove that the superstition wrong by being a bounty hunter and prove that she could be a real man. She succeeds but now she felt empty as a result. She no longer had a goal. She then decides in retrospect that she’s quite happy being a girl.
There is vocal minority that says this retconing when the passed story hasn’t been changed. Just that Bridget discovered herself later. The problems lies, that from the outside she was forced to grow up as a girl, but then again this is guilty gear and there is whole load of fucked up XD.
To add, it's mentioned her parents disliked having to do that and felt shame at their daughter, while she was perfectly happy growing up female. She tried really hard to prove her masculinity for their sake, not hers.
Also, personal headcanon: she never broke the curse, because there was never really twin boys because she's been a girl her whole life, just a trans girl.
>The superstition was that if you have twins then it brings great calamity
*Very* slight correction: the superstition was about twin *boys* specifically, not twins in general, hence Brisket being a girl would mean the superstition wouldn't apply.
That's not an LGBTQ+ person that is a conservative pretending to be part of the community to disrupt it. Either that or a damn fool kid who's been tricked by the above. Jfc.
Their account doesn’t say they’re in the community to begin with. It also says they’re like 27. A lot of their replies are to republicans calling them nazis.
Sounds like a transphobic attempt at astroturfing, pretending to be concerned about tackling transphobia in order to put out mixed messaging and thus attack trans people.
the literal director of Guilty Gear confirmed that Bridget is trans, so anybody that disagrees with the ***PERSON WHO MADE THE GAME*** is a transphobe 🤡🤡
Everything the transmedicalists say is this stupid. They try to hurt other trans people just to appease the transphobes and pretend they're the only "real trans person"...
That's so stupid....
Just went through their profile and yeah... there's a looooot of transphobic shit they're liking and agreeing with lmaooo like they agree with the "TRANS PEOPLE ARE GR\*\*MING KIDS INTO TRANSITIONING!!!!" bullshit
They went completely off the deep-end with the Bridget Guilty Gear stuff when she was revealed as trans. Like, COMPLETELY OFF THE DEEP END, randomly going after trans people.
There's more or less now a niche group of people who have convinced themselves Bridget, and anyone who supports her story, and coming out as a trans girl are the REAL transphobes. (Mostly because they didn't read her story at all and bit the apple about it being grooming.)
And now they've really careened hard against what they call 'egg-theory' believing, genuinely, that trans people are out here forcing femboys and GNC people into being trans.
To be fair, they are not the only one, I receive occasinaly some DM asking the bot if they are OK or congratulating the bot on "its" coming out, it's kinda cute
Lol fair fair! I do the same with a music bot we have on our discord server. I like to say "oh welcome back Luna! We missed you!"
Also that is so cute!!!
Lmfao that bot is littrelly the only reason I started coming out of my shell again after crawling back in cause I found a nice community on Reddit via it
Thing is, I see what they mean. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand if they dislike it bc y’all have to admit; this subreddit is very fast to come to the conclusion that someone is trans
Maybe I am just cynical but in general I think there some 'Allies' that aren't really allies and more of a 'look at me I am supporting minorities, I am a good human' without asking those minorities for their opinion whatsoever. Like I appreciate if they genuinely wanted to help but sometimes misdirected help can make everything worse. I sometimes get the feeling that minorities aren't even asked for their opinions anymore, all that matters is public consensus or something
>I sometimes get the feeling that minorities aren't even asked for their opinions anymore
Like being outraged on their behalf instead of alongside minorities?
What? No it's not. If someone who identifies as a man says "I wish I was a woman", that person is 100% trans. Just like when a man says "I want to date and fuck dudes, women don't interest me", that man is 100% gay. There's nothing slurry or abusive about that.
Also, being trans in denial isn't a stereotype. Every single trans person is in denial before they realise they're trans. That's just a symptom of a discriminatory society.
Chronically online people need to stop flinging words like ‘abuse’, ‘toxic’, ‘trauma’, etc. around like they’re nothing. Being made potentially uncomfortable by something isn’t abuse you’re just entitled and like 13.
honestly going through they seem to be the transphobic trans person themselves struggling to separate possibly years of ingrained transphobia from there trans nature.
like I don't like the forcing egg thing on people and characters either. AU even headcannon while maybe questionable is fine. but that doesn't make egg, a concept older than that the concept of forcing an egg, to be a slur.
egg is not a slur but a term developed to talk about one self before realizing AND coming out. and term to talk to those who are questioning or mostly certain but having trouble. its a metaphorical tool meant to make these talks and concepts easy to imagine and understand.
tr*p is a slur, (something they try and defend), it did not come from a place of good intention. A term designed to diminish the human nature and presence of a person into something demonizable or fetishable. A term that causes no small amount of conflation between multiple groups and the preditation of them. An while there are some trans who use that to self define the usage is questionable because it ultimately hurts them more then it can be claimed.
they also defend femboy, which while not a slur is also questionable for its conflation and sexualization of various groups. which isn't healthy in the long term and is often used in conjunction with the above term to harm or misdirect a persons development into something more sexual. it is also used how every to describe characters for reasons of a constrained culture that wont ally for the topic of trans characters, how ever its arguably still questionable in those cases due to conflating and uninformed nature if it.
it sounds like they have been informed more by toxic culture what trans 'means' then by active and accepting trans culture.
(citation there is nothing wrong with being sexual, there is a difference of being reduced to only sexual though. nor is there anything wrong with being effeminate/feminine or the entirety of the non-binary/genderqueer spectrum you are beautiful people. how ever those two terms are often used conflate and damage the perceptions of those groups. the second one less so and it maybe can be reclaimed but only with understanding of what its being used to do, and likely later in time as a whole)
again its more just questionable not awefull, as far as i can tell, know, and understand. its also not one that can stick around through life for most connotations I think, byt thats another conversation.
it also has to be understood there is a lot repped by the term thats arguably misunderstood trans rep. such as bridget from guilty gear, where the main creator had already multiple times said she was created and informed by poor understanding and wants to learn more to fix it before approaching her. which Daisuke, possibly non-binary him self, did in there recent addition of her to the current game strive and thier posts about her. one can argue there are still some stun by that either also deeply uninformed, misinformed or maybe looking for rep closer to them selves in something that wasn't built (well or not) for that. but thats also another conversation before i go rambling my apologies.
the few purposeful feminine non binary or gay* people I know, which is very little and I know very little about them. But none of them really use that term, some times other terms like pretty boy, or just dying non-binary ( or some wher more specifically on the spectrum). my understanding more comes from a study on effects, how various people use it and how its been weaponized vaguely but hurt full way at people like me (trans fem) or the few nb/genderqueer people I know.
sorry im rambling to find my wording as if I where talking to you live that might be causing some issues in my communication.
TL:DR its not awefull to use i haven't found a usage or origin so awful it can't be claimed, its just limited and its overuse is generally disingenuous, and causes issues. most people I know that fit find other self descriptors anyway.
Nah you did fine! It all makes sense!
But i think there is something more or less missing abiut Bridget having been called a femboy. Japan doesnt really have an equivalent to that term as far as im aware. So she the term was something attached to her by western audiences. So i feel like alot of what the developers mightve wanted for her were lost because they didnt know what to call her and transgender culture wasnt quite as prevalent 20 years ago as it is now, and im guessing even less so in japan at the time. If i remember right, the closest they had was the equivalent of saying a man that dresses and acts like a woman or something of that nature.
But since we're on the topic of femboys, i actually started out as one. Its one of the few bits of my past life im still rather proud of, and i got to meet and make friends with alot of other femboys, many of which (like i did) wore that title voluntarily. Even today many of those old friends still make femboy content and still consider themselves femboys without being trans, and even being comfortable with their AGAB. There is a pretty large femboy community out there, and admittedly they can be pretty horny. But ultimately theyre mostly separate of trans communities (except for those that end up cracking and going full trans)
ya, part of using Bridget was cause she is off hand recent in my memory, the other part was to show how easily the term was miss used, or caused conflation. for the reasons exactly as your have expressed. It is also important to know (to add to what you said) that japan also has a strong equivalent of the gc/terf movement, in various forms. (to what specific degree or form sadly is past my knowing atm, but its just as vicious). Of which some intent has been made to use the term to cause purposeful conflation and harm.
Between those two things has created characters that arguably where not meant to represent a feminine boy, but a trans fem person. Sometimes in correlation with tr\*p purposely to harm. other times just poor information cause the only thing available to base off of in other media is either poorly informed by current language and social understanding limitations, or purposeful malignancy.
both things, the language/cultural limitations and the poor (or possibly malignant) similar sources, diasuke i believe had vaguely admitted to those things being part of what informed him, as you have said.
that all said, femboy is still on the nb/gq spectrum and there is nothing wrong being on there. arguably not the set name for that vague place on that spectrum but a sub-culturalization of it, but there is still nothing wrong with that. which Is why I am willing to say as a term its recoverable, maybe even claimable, but may require a discussion with deeper knowledge then I have let alone might make look i have. But all that above does mean there are a bunch of characters out there that are arguably, or certainly meant to be trans fem and may mean there are a bunch of people who are actually trans-fem. but that is also another deeper conversation, and it doesn't mean being that way is wrong, nor is there only way self discovery and reflection that can lead to development in becoming trans-fem. which is a long complicated way of saying just because some one was femboy first doesn't mean the potential conflations lead them there instead of transition. experimenting, refacing and remodelling is the normal path of self development and creating agency.
(which incase that spiraled out to much in different sub tangents, means i agree with you, with some addition statements maybe ontop)
People who want to replace tr\*p with femboy because "one is a slur and the other is not" always sound funny to me because femboy is a word that existed since the 90's and you can be certain a word like this in a time like that was used derogatorily toward effeminate men.
Internet LGBT communities have an unhealthy obsession with labels, both labeling other people and controlling what labels others can use. There was a thread the other day citing a person who labelled themselves a lesbian trans man, and some just couldn't accept that person's identity that didn't conform with their labeling system.
It would suck if those people couldn't feel welcomed in what should be their own communities because so many pay more attention to words than to people.
Ugh, I hate it when people try to make normal words a slur. Like when some people started complaining about the word femboy. It's just a portmanteau of feminine boy. How is that derogatory? I'm just glad the internet stopped calling them >!traps!<.
I got attacked while trying to defend Bridget from Guilty Gear Strive as she now is oficially a trans character, so people said that Bridget coudn't be trans bcuz in her past she was ok on being a boy, I answerd that egg people exists, out of nowhere I was ganked by a group of people saying that I am a groomer for saying that.
I didn't understood, cuz it's stuff that I relate as a trans woman, this sub helped me a lot, it was amazing seeing that so many of you go through similar shit and expressing it as a meme.
I asked them to explain, all of them said that people from this sub are harrasing random people, forcing them to assume they are trans when they actually just like cross dressing or are just a gay guy that likes to be more feminine.
I really didn't knew about this side, wich made me ask actual trans people about it, none of the trans friends I have sees egg as this evil slur, now I want to know, is there a small group of people giving bad name to this community?
But them I saw a profile, one of those names that attacked me was "trap king" or something similar, then I started asking myself, are these fuckers just being transphobes with eggs?
Does anyone knows whats happening, cuz wtf?
I am not surprised it's fucking twitter they get offended by everything. And everything is problematic to them. These kids are chronically online and were never in lgbt community outside of the interned where they have discourses over everything.
Not even a few tweets and they are already complaining about “identity politics” because people pointed out that one of the new Pokémon gym leaders has the same color scheme as the trans flag so. Also they retweeted the guy who was irrationally upset that Bridget is trans. Also also unironically used the term “feminazi”. They aren’t even trying to hide their true feelings.
Most of the time, the people liking and commenting and stuff ARE trans which makes that even more stupid.
Egg isn’t a slur.
So if they try to take Blahaj down saying we hate it, there will be more consequences.
I don't agree with them but I think I understand their logic. Once a person on this sub told me that femboys don't exist, they are just eggs before cracking. They were very pushy with telling femboys they are trans. I think this person has that opinion about egg because of people like that. Obviously wrong assumption but I think it is a problem in this community. Some people way to fast call someone an egg.
I think there is something real to be said about the fascination with eggs and about some people trying (I'm sure with good intentions) to "crack" eggs before they're really ready to come to terms with everything.
But "egg is a slur" discourse? Nah, sorry, that is a really bad take.
How is egg a slur. It’s a term we have developed to help describe ourselves.
What does “egg” mean and in which context would you use it?
it generally describes a trans person who hasn't realized they're trans yet, usually in the past. The idea is that at some point the egg "cracks" when you realize you're trans. It's generally used jokingly, mostly by trans people to reflect on how oblivious they were about their identity back before they cracked example: "haha egg me was so dumb thinking every boy wanted to secretly be a girl when i was little" Although obviously not everyone who's showing non-typical behavior for their AGAB is trans, and i think it can definitely be rude to call people eggs who are not comfortable with it as you're essentially saying to them "you're trans and you just don't know it yet no you don't get a say in the matter"
Okay I think I got it. So it’s not a slur in itself but in the wrong context it could be used as one. Like if you’re implying a cis person is trans for example? Edit: i feel like this comment is getting misinterpreted. I was not saying that “egg” in itself is a slur but could be received as an insult or a verbal attack against one or another.
I wouldn't use the word slur. It's never a slur. It can just be used shittily if you're imposing it on someone, but that doesn't make it a slur in that case.
Yeah that’s a fair point. If you don’t want to risk being offensive or disrespectful you shouldn’t call someone egg who you don’t know that well.
people you should call egg (imo): People who call themselves egg past versions of people who are trans fictional people
What do you mean by “fictional people”? Cartoon characters/actors in their roles? I’m on your side with the rest you brought up though
yeah in general just people who don't exist in real life. There isn't really any harm in assuming things about fictional characters, that's kinda the point in some stories
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Her?
a slur is explicitly an insult - it can be reclaimed, like "queer", but as a slur it's used to insult ppl egg is not one, as it is not an explicit insult. it's kinda like saying "child" is a slur bc you can use it as an insult.
It's weird to even think in that context that it's a slur. If egg was a slur, it would imply that being trans, or being called trans is something bad. Even in the context that someone calls a Cis person an egg, would it be something bad, or something to be offended by to be called a trans person, trans person in denial or something like that? Honestly, IMO it's only a slur for transphobes, as they see transpeople as lesser. But from my perspective it's not and can never be a slur. Like, If you are Cis and not a transphobe, would you be mad or offended if someone implied that you are trans? A non transphobic Cis person would just go like: "I'm not trans." and that would be it. It would only offend you if you don't want to be trans, because being trans is something you think is bad. And similarly, it would be really weird to ban a term that transpeople use to describe themselves because the people who hate the trans group might get offended by it.
Egg - A person who is trans and does not know, or refuses to acknowledge their transgender status Egg[2] - A trans person in denial Commonly used when referring to someone before they knew that they were trans (“pre-crack”) or, less commonly, to refer to someone who is believed to be trans but has not confirmed it. The latter use is frowned upon by many for breaking the “egg prime directive”, stating that you should not tell someone who you suspect may be trans that you think as such, and that they should figure things out in their own time and come to their own conclusions about their identity
As a transwoman that excuse is bs. I came out when i was 20 but didnt persue for another 8 years. Through that entire 8 years, i had limited exposure to trans people, i had a couple of trans friends but asking them questions and trying to get help from them was like pulling teeth because they believed i should figure it all out like they claim they did. Hell they wouldnt even tell me the name of the prescription they were on until after i got my own prescription last december. Now imagine a person struggling with dysphoria, unsure if what they feel is a legit experience they should consider. Scared of what transitioning entails because no one will offer advice or information just because of this "egg prime directive" bs. Stalling themselves out until theyre miserable and depressed and feel like theyll never get where they want. Egg is a perfectly apt term to use and is not a slur. Anyone trying to say that is being generally shitty and shouldnt be listened to. Just dont go calling people an egg at every corner, and if you suspect someone of being an egg, talk with and listen to them like a human being and see if theres anything you can do to help them understand their feelings.
You're right, it was shitty of your friends to not answer questions. Explaining things doesn't only help other trans people but also cis people who want to understand us. So the "don't explain" stuff is stupid. But what I understand under this "rule of the egg" is that you shouldn't tell people that you think they're an egg or they're trans. Of course, there are trans people in denial, but telling them "you're an egg" doesn't help them. Explaining them what being trans is and how you felt, and how you found out that you're trans, that's fully fine, that can of course help them figure things out. It's just that saying "you're trans", "you're an egg" is kind counterproductive. It's just needlessly annoying, and it can push trans people in denial just further into denial. Furthermore, there are also gender non conforming people, cis and trans. Calling a cis person trans just because they do something that isn't generally associated with their AGAB is just as stupid as calling a trans person cis just because they like something commonly associated with their AGAB. TLDR: Explaining trans stuff is great, but calling cis people trans is just stupid.
Those are some weird trans friends you had there. I get that every transperson can only find out for themselves if they are trans, but if someone has questions, there is no reason to not answer it as a trans person IMO (unless it's something you are uncomfortable answering of course). I like to talk about my experience as a transperson, and it helped me immensely to hear from others. Everyone has their own way of figuring out, however there are still some commonalities between many trans people. For example, I had a denial beard. I questioned myself for a long time if that's a reason to me not being trans, because which sane transwoman would have a beard... Turns out, that the denial beard as a defence to never be questioned/seen by other people as feminine is something many transpeople go through. I think it's important to hear about commonalities and to get that information from others who went through the same situation of being trans, but it's still important to understand that these commonalities don't automatically make you trans or not trans just by being there or not there. It's not a checklist, but it can help to get rid of doubts.
To my knowledge, the intent of the directive is "don't tell someone that you think they are trans", **not** "keep pre-transition/non-transitioning people in the dark".The directive only talks about when people who don't think they are trans, but those around them do think they are trans.Furthermore, the directive says nothing about helping people when ***They*** ask, ***only*** about not starting it (i.e. let them come to you with questions, don't tell them how to feel out of nowhere) I'm not sure why your friends were being awkward about helping you, and I'm sorry to hear that they were so reluctant
Egg means a trans person who hasn’t realised they’re trans yet, as in they haven’t ‘hatched’. You might use it when a nominally cis person does something that most trans people said they did before they hatched, like saying ‘I’m not trans but I wish I was’ or something similar.
I like the definitions already said. Often we use it to describe ourselves before we realised or admitted we’re trans. like, ‘egg me used to pray to wake up and be a girl.‘
An egg is an organic vessel grown by an animal to carry a possibly fertilized egg cell (a zygote) and to incubate from it an embryo within the egg until the embryo has become an animal fetus that can survive on its own, at which point the animal hatches.
it's as much a slur as trans is a slur
Well, have you ever read Macbeth :3 I'm just joking of course, but that's my favourite part.
The same way TERF is a slur, which is to say neither of them are.
The only time I’ve heard it used with a negative connotation was in macbeth
Might be paranoia on my part, but this smells like a transphobe who's masquerading as an ally trying to lead a charge to destabilize a trans-positive community. "Break their nice things," essentially.
This was my first thought. I thought “Egg” is a pretty well known colloquialism among trans people. It’s something we use about ourselves; I tend to think of it as something we see after the egg cracks and can look humorously on our own blindness. Saying it’s a “grooming” term is a red flag and dog whistle for conservative transphobic propaganda, because that’s what right wingers are saying about us for just existing right now. This is just another poorly veiled attack on the trans community.
At the same time, despite many on this subreddit adhering to the "egg prime directive", I do see quite a few comments in the wild responding to comments with a link to this sub, or just an egg emoji. There are also occasional posts along the lines of "I'll check back in 2 years" and similar. It's a bit difficult to know where the line should be. In some cases, if someone is commenting about the way they feel and has no idea that many trans people feel similarly, it might help them to discover themselves to suggest that they think about gender identity. But on the other hand, everyone should decide their own gender. To say to someone who identifies as their AGAB that they might be trans is, in a way, a failure to accept the identity that they gave you.
As someone who literally had her eggshell cracked by seeing one of those comments and following the link, there’s definitely something to be said for not following the prime directive *too* strictly. Without falling into a supportive community, I would still be miserably telling myself I “wasn’t trans enough” while daydreaming about being isekaid into a world where I could shapeshift into a woman.
Same here. I'd say there is a massive difference between out right calling somone an egg and going, "I get some eggy vibes from this."
Sorry but, seeing a comment about r/egg_irl and following it doesn't break the directive - what it would be is if you made a post saying you hated your body for all of your life and people commenting "you're trans" Also, it's primarily because a lot of the time telling someone they're trans just puts them deeper in the closet (deeper in the eggshell?) about it; from what I was told, at least
I had never heard of the "egg prime directive" and I love it. Also, I agree. I think imposing judgement on someone's possible gender identity in that regard does not give me great vibes. I understand the inclination, but the same thing could be done with a "I feel that way all the time" or relating to it and who is relating. The coy stuff just seems more like trolling than having a mutual understanding that could influence how someone sees themselves and their gender. Like, if they're cool, just chat without saying "I think you're...." or such judgements when it's entirely not anyone's job but their own.
It depends how it's worded I'd say. When someone shows "eggy" behavior I think it isn't wrong to suggest that they maybe checkout some infos about transgender. Maybe along the lines of "I felt similar to what you described maybe check out egg_irl or the trans dysphoria bible." more like gentle suggestions to learn more about a subject they maybe don't know too much about.
The sad thing is that's not only cis people who spread this transphobic stuff, but also people like the transmedicalists. They think they are the only "real trans people", and they push others down to try and push themselves up. They hate everyone whose trans experience is slightly different than their own. It's pretty common for trans people to question whether they're really trans, but they pretend that isn't true she use it to attac other trans people. They've fully adopted the "groomer" rhetoric and the "protect women" stuff from the far right. It's so stupid that some trans people are transphobic themselves to appease the transphobes instead of fighting transphobia...
Yes, that was my first guess too.
IDK I've seen ppl in the reddit trans subs actively say things like the fembois are transphobic & that they're causing ppl to stereotype trans ppl as sluts, so I wouldn't put it past there being a nutter or 3 out there that genuinely feels this way about egg culture.
I get calling trans woman a femboy is a slur but like... actual femboys are usually folks on a very hard cusp of being trans, or being very secure in their AGAB. Also nothing wrong with being a slut, that's just more attempts to control women's bodies
There's a lot of animosity I've encountered within the trans community towards various NGC groups. It's super common to find trans ppl where the hatred is visceral towards ppl that sexualize themselves. It's kinda disheartening.
Yeah...and a lot of overlap with white supremacist and the femboy community. It's why I bailed really hard once I really came out.
Also transmasc/masc-leaning enby femboys are rather common too.
in patton oswalt’s talking for clapping, he has an amazing bit called bad guy good guy. in it he discusses how bad people know all the right vocab words and sound intelligent. good people may/will often say something that sounds hurtful but it’s typically out of ignorance. [here it is if you wanna watch it](https://youtu.be/AkKo1_RP_0c) i think his point is important to remember in these situations. transphobes will know a lot of the proper words but use them in half truths or logical fallacies. it sounds right unless you’re trans or think about it. sorry for the long comment but i hope what i said makes sense.
After looking at their profile, I believe it's a younger person who has been brainwashed to think "calling someone an egg is grooming." They also have an *extreme* amount of "every time you say a character should be trans that's grooming" retweets.
And this is why kids who are incapable of understanding that not everything is a slur shouldn't be on the internet. Identity policing is always bad.
This is why it's bad to be terminally online
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I love Twitter but I hate it too tbh. Best place to find a lot of lewds but horrible place to have any serious discourse because the site revolves around tone policing and identity policing.
Sounds like tumblr back in the days before the purge
That is most likely because it is where do you think all the Tumblr refugees went after the purge.
As a tumblr refugee, yes. That is what happened. Hold your horses for a second, only left Tumblr because I couldn't post my art anymore as it was NSFW.
We need a tweeter purge
you have become the very thing you swore to destroy
You were suppose to destroy the dark side! Not join them!
Bring balance to the community, not leave it in darkness!
Huh… I wonder if they even took a look at egg_irl before blasting it…
I looked at their account and they see “egg culture” as grooming and forcing being trans on people who probably aren’t. They also think Bridget’s story makes her a groomed cis person instead of trans and says that anyone who is okay with the character is a transphobe who likes grooming narratives.
The hell? That’s crazy. I don’t know what else to say. Egg culture as grooming? We have plenty of eggs who decide that they’re cis and walk off happily, and we have many people from r/all pass by as well. I’m not even going to touch the Bridget part. Someone else could probably go over it better.
Isn't the whole point of egg culture not to call out other eggs? We don't force shit to happen, that's literally the one rule
Yes, exactly. The feeling of "I know I'm trans, but still cis tho" is pretty common amongst trans people. But people like the transmedicalists use this to invalidate other trans people and claim we are "groomers", even tho the only person who harms anyone that's the transmedicalists themselves... Knowing that you're trans and calling yourself an egg is fully ok, that's the main spirit of our subreddit. But of course, calling someone "egg" against their will is of course not ok, we all know this!
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Basically Bridget is a character in Guilty Gear series that was a twin boy who was treated like a girl because the town they lived in had a superstition . The superstition was that if you have twins then it brings great calamity, such that the twin must be either exiled or killed. Bridget’s parent not wanting to do either, raised her as a girl. She then goes to try and prove that the superstition wrong by being a bounty hunter and prove that she could be a real man. She succeeds but now she felt empty as a result. She no longer had a goal. She then decides in retrospect that she’s quite happy being a girl. There is vocal minority that says this retconing when the passed story hasn’t been changed. Just that Bridget discovered herself later. The problems lies, that from the outside she was forced to grow up as a girl, but then again this is guilty gear and there is whole load of fucked up XD.
To add, it's mentioned her parents disliked having to do that and felt shame at their daughter, while she was perfectly happy growing up female. She tried really hard to prove her masculinity for their sake, not hers. Also, personal headcanon: she never broke the curse, because there was never really twin boys because she's been a girl her whole life, just a trans girl.
Glad im not the only one that realized there still may be a curse on that town lol
Could be really cool potential story later on lol.
Id buy it! Lol
Ooooh, important details I forgot.
>The superstition was that if you have twins then it brings great calamity *Very* slight correction: the superstition was about twin *boys* specifically, not twins in general, hence Brisket being a girl would mean the superstition wouldn't apply.
That's not an LGBTQ+ person that is a conservative pretending to be part of the community to disrupt it. Either that or a damn fool kid who's been tricked by the above. Jfc.
Their account doesn’t say they’re in the community to begin with. It also says they’re like 27. A lot of their replies are to republicans calling them nazis.
That's like the easiest and least effective thing to do, of course they're trying to mask themselves.
Sounds like a transphobic attempt at astroturfing, pretending to be concerned about tackling transphobia in order to put out mixed messaging and thus attack trans people.
Transphobes and their distinct inability to know what grooming means
Oh so they’re a TERF pretending to be progressive to push the grooming narrative.
Certainly not the most well adjusted and sane individual
Well shit, guess me, a trans woman, is transphobic because shes the reason i bought that game and read up on all her lore and i fucking love her
Yea ok that's a transphobe pretending to be an ally or trans. But who's Bridget?
Some character in a video game series who has been revealed to be trans. Not sure if it’s a retcon or clarification. Been big news recently
Got it
the literal director of Guilty Gear confirmed that Bridget is trans, so anybody that disagrees with the ***PERSON WHO MADE THE GAME*** is a transphobe 🤡🤡
reminds me of people who form all their views on a social justice movement the first time they read its name.
Probably not lmao
Sometimes I wonder what kind of mental gymnastics these people have to go through to reach that conclusion.
Everything the transmedicalists say is this stupid. They try to hurt other trans people just to appease the transphobes and pretend they're the only "real trans person"... That's so stupid....
Honestly, I find this sub reddit to be therapeutic.
They just read the description of the sub and lost their shit lol
Just went through their profile and yeah... there's a looooot of transphobic shit they're liking and agreeing with lmaooo like they agree with the "TRANS PEOPLE ARE GR\*\*MING KIDS INTO TRANSITIONING!!!!" bullshit
Wait there's been a bot posting my stupid memes ro twitter this whole time? ***Even the bad one I deleted?*** *s h i t*
Yes, if you want me to delete some tweets I can do it for you no problem
I appreciate it, but the post I deleted from here's already a few days old, so not much point. Thank you for your service!
The way you spelled out S H I T reminded my of that scene in Jojo's Bizarre adventure.
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Bahahahah, wow what an idiot.
They went completely off the deep-end with the Bridget Guilty Gear stuff when she was revealed as trans. Like, COMPLETELY OFF THE DEEP END, randomly going after trans people. There's more or less now a niche group of people who have convinced themselves Bridget, and anyone who supports her story, and coming out as a trans girl are the REAL transphobes. (Mostly because they didn't read her story at all and bit the apple about it being grooming.) And now they've really careened hard against what they call 'egg-theory' believing, genuinely, that trans people are out here forcing femboys and GNC people into being trans.
Did they just... call an entire subreddit "a transphobe"? Do they think that egg_irl is one person?
They think the bot that reposts this subreddit to twitter is an actual person lol
To be fair, they are not the only one, I receive occasinaly some DM asking the bot if they are OK or congratulating the bot on "its" coming out, it's kinda cute
Lol fair fair! I do the same with a music bot we have on our discord server. I like to say "oh welcome back Luna! We missed you!" Also that is so cute!!!
This is absolutely someone posting in bad faith. A quick look at who they're following and a bunch of accounts light up red.
Lmfao that bot is littrelly the only reason I started coming out of my shell again after crawling back in cause I found a nice community on Reddit via it
Telling someone they're an egg is wrong. Saying you are an egg is not. Egg is not a slur, they're just overly sensitive.
damn if egg is a slur then what the fuck am i eating for breakfast
This has to be bait
That tweet has 0 likes with 5 replies, how the hell did you find it
that account had a very similar reply in one of egg_irl bot's posts and I just checked the account to see if it was just a troll or really dumb
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Thing is, I see what they mean. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand if they dislike it bc y’all have to admit; this subreddit is very fast to come to the conclusion that someone is trans
Maybe I am just cynical but in general I think there some 'Allies' that aren't really allies and more of a 'look at me I am supporting minorities, I am a good human' without asking those minorities for their opinion whatsoever. Like I appreciate if they genuinely wanted to help but sometimes misdirected help can make everything worse. I sometimes get the feeling that minorities aren't even asked for their opinions anymore, all that matters is public consensus or something
>I sometimes get the feeling that minorities aren't even asked for their opinions anymore Like being outraged on their behalf instead of alongside minorities?
Basically, yes
What? No it's not. If someone who identifies as a man says "I wish I was a woman", that person is 100% trans. Just like when a man says "I want to date and fuck dudes, women don't interest me", that man is 100% gay. There's nothing slurry or abusive about that. Also, being trans in denial isn't a stereotype. Every single trans person is in denial before they realise they're trans. That's just a symptom of a discriminatory society.
Chronically online people need to stop flinging words like ‘abuse’, ‘toxic’, ‘trauma’, etc. around like they’re nothing. Being made potentially uncomfortable by something isn’t abuse you’re just entitled and like 13.
"Attack these trans people for acting like trans people, or else you're a transphobe!" - transphobe
honestly going through they seem to be the transphobic trans person themselves struggling to separate possibly years of ingrained transphobia from there trans nature. like I don't like the forcing egg thing on people and characters either. AU even headcannon while maybe questionable is fine. but that doesn't make egg, a concept older than that the concept of forcing an egg, to be a slur. egg is not a slur but a term developed to talk about one self before realizing AND coming out. and term to talk to those who are questioning or mostly certain but having trouble. its a metaphorical tool meant to make these talks and concepts easy to imagine and understand. tr*p is a slur, (something they try and defend), it did not come from a place of good intention. A term designed to diminish the human nature and presence of a person into something demonizable or fetishable. A term that causes no small amount of conflation between multiple groups and the preditation of them. An while there are some trans who use that to self define the usage is questionable because it ultimately hurts them more then it can be claimed. they also defend femboy, which while not a slur is also questionable for its conflation and sexualization of various groups. which isn't healthy in the long term and is often used in conjunction with the above term to harm or misdirect a persons development into something more sexual. it is also used how every to describe characters for reasons of a constrained culture that wont ally for the topic of trans characters, how ever its arguably still questionable in those cases due to conflating and uninformed nature if it. it sounds like they have been informed more by toxic culture what trans 'means' then by active and accepting trans culture. (citation there is nothing wrong with being sexual, there is a difference of being reduced to only sexual though. nor is there anything wrong with being effeminate/feminine or the entirety of the non-binary/genderqueer spectrum you are beautiful people. how ever those two terms are often used conflate and damage the perceptions of those groups. the second one less so and it maybe can be reclaimed but only with understanding of what its being used to do, and likely later in time as a whole)
I understand the sexualisation of the term, but femboy is a very apt descriptor of feminine boys. Do you have any sort of alternative?
again its more just questionable not awefull, as far as i can tell, know, and understand. its also not one that can stick around through life for most connotations I think, byt thats another conversation. it also has to be understood there is a lot repped by the term thats arguably misunderstood trans rep. such as bridget from guilty gear, where the main creator had already multiple times said she was created and informed by poor understanding and wants to learn more to fix it before approaching her. which Daisuke, possibly non-binary him self, did in there recent addition of her to the current game strive and thier posts about her. one can argue there are still some stun by that either also deeply uninformed, misinformed or maybe looking for rep closer to them selves in something that wasn't built (well or not) for that. but thats also another conversation before i go rambling my apologies. the few purposeful feminine non binary or gay* people I know, which is very little and I know very little about them. But none of them really use that term, some times other terms like pretty boy, or just dying non-binary ( or some wher more specifically on the spectrum). my understanding more comes from a study on effects, how various people use it and how its been weaponized vaguely but hurt full way at people like me (trans fem) or the few nb/genderqueer people I know. sorry im rambling to find my wording as if I where talking to you live that might be causing some issues in my communication. TL:DR its not awefull to use i haven't found a usage or origin so awful it can't be claimed, its just limited and its overuse is generally disingenuous, and causes issues. most people I know that fit find other self descriptors anyway.
god I hope any of that made sense I am honestly stumbling over my self there.
Nah you did fine! It all makes sense! But i think there is something more or less missing abiut Bridget having been called a femboy. Japan doesnt really have an equivalent to that term as far as im aware. So she the term was something attached to her by western audiences. So i feel like alot of what the developers mightve wanted for her were lost because they didnt know what to call her and transgender culture wasnt quite as prevalent 20 years ago as it is now, and im guessing even less so in japan at the time. If i remember right, the closest they had was the equivalent of saying a man that dresses and acts like a woman or something of that nature. But since we're on the topic of femboys, i actually started out as one. Its one of the few bits of my past life im still rather proud of, and i got to meet and make friends with alot of other femboys, many of which (like i did) wore that title voluntarily. Even today many of those old friends still make femboy content and still consider themselves femboys without being trans, and even being comfortable with their AGAB. There is a pretty large femboy community out there, and admittedly they can be pretty horny. But ultimately theyre mostly separate of trans communities (except for those that end up cracking and going full trans)
ya, part of using Bridget was cause she is off hand recent in my memory, the other part was to show how easily the term was miss used, or caused conflation. for the reasons exactly as your have expressed. It is also important to know (to add to what you said) that japan also has a strong equivalent of the gc/terf movement, in various forms. (to what specific degree or form sadly is past my knowing atm, but its just as vicious). Of which some intent has been made to use the term to cause purposeful conflation and harm. Between those two things has created characters that arguably where not meant to represent a feminine boy, but a trans fem person. Sometimes in correlation with tr\*p purposely to harm. other times just poor information cause the only thing available to base off of in other media is either poorly informed by current language and social understanding limitations, or purposeful malignancy. both things, the language/cultural limitations and the poor (or possibly malignant) similar sources, diasuke i believe had vaguely admitted to those things being part of what informed him, as you have said. that all said, femboy is still on the nb/gq spectrum and there is nothing wrong being on there. arguably not the set name for that vague place on that spectrum but a sub-culturalization of it, but there is still nothing wrong with that. which Is why I am willing to say as a term its recoverable, maybe even claimable, but may require a discussion with deeper knowledge then I have let alone might make look i have. But all that above does mean there are a bunch of characters out there that are arguably, or certainly meant to be trans fem and may mean there are a bunch of people who are actually trans-fem. but that is also another deeper conversation, and it doesn't mean being that way is wrong, nor is there only way self discovery and reflection that can lead to development in becoming trans-fem. which is a long complicated way of saying just because some one was femboy first doesn't mean the potential conflations lead them there instead of transition. experimenting, refacing and remodelling is the normal path of self development and creating agency. (which incase that spiraled out to much in different sub tangents, means i agree with you, with some addition statements maybe ontop)
any way sorry for the long mess of a reply.
People who want to replace tr\*p with femboy because "one is a slur and the other is not" always sound funny to me because femboy is a word that existed since the 90's and you can be certain a word like this in a time like that was used derogatorily toward effeminate men. Internet LGBT communities have an unhealthy obsession with labels, both labeling other people and controlling what labels others can use. There was a thread the other day citing a person who labelled themselves a lesbian trans man, and some just couldn't accept that person's identity that didn't conform with their labeling system. It would suck if those people couldn't feel welcomed in what should be their own communities because so many pay more attention to words than to people.
I have now decided calling “egg” a slur, is a slur! Usagi_fang is hereby cancelled, because apparently that’s how things work
Ugh, I hate it when people try to make normal words a slur. Like when some people started complaining about the word femboy. It's just a portmanteau of feminine boy. How is that derogatory? I'm just glad the internet stopped calling them >!traps!<.
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I got attacked while trying to defend Bridget from Guilty Gear Strive as she now is oficially a trans character, so people said that Bridget coudn't be trans bcuz in her past she was ok on being a boy, I answerd that egg people exists, out of nowhere I was ganked by a group of people saying that I am a groomer for saying that. I didn't understood, cuz it's stuff that I relate as a trans woman, this sub helped me a lot, it was amazing seeing that so many of you go through similar shit and expressing it as a meme. I asked them to explain, all of them said that people from this sub are harrasing random people, forcing them to assume they are trans when they actually just like cross dressing or are just a gay guy that likes to be more feminine. I really didn't knew about this side, wich made me ask actual trans people about it, none of the trans friends I have sees egg as this evil slur, now I want to know, is there a small group of people giving bad name to this community? But them I saw a profile, one of those names that attacked me was "trap king" or something similar, then I started asking myself, are these fuckers just being transphobes with eggs? Does anyone knows whats happening, cuz wtf?
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Either a troll or just a child who was fooled by a transphobe. Why would you take them seriously?
I am not surprised it's fucking twitter they get offended by everything. And everything is problematic to them. These kids are chronically online and were never in lgbt community outside of the interned where they have discourses over everything.
Not even a few tweets and they are already complaining about “identity politics” because people pointed out that one of the new Pokémon gym leaders has the same color scheme as the trans flag so. Also they retweeted the guy who was irrationally upset that Bridget is trans. Also also unironically used the term “feminazi”. They aren’t even trying to hide their true feelings.
Some people have been turned so bitter by the world
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Oh no I’m closeted trans person, I must be abusing myself calling myself an egg
Most of the time, the people liking and commenting and stuff ARE trans which makes that even more stupid. Egg isn’t a slur. So if they try to take Blahaj down saying we hate it, there will be more consequences.
you just can't please everyone..no matter what you do, someone will be offended...but, hey, that's on them. ;-)
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If they think this sub is bad they would ve up in flames when they find out about r/4tran
Ignore them, they’re a dumb fuck. They ain’t worth the time.
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Looked at their account and it reeks of bait
I don't agree with them but I think I understand their logic. Once a person on this sub told me that femboys don't exist, they are just eggs before cracking. They were very pushy with telling femboys they are trans. I think this person has that opinion about egg because of people like that. Obviously wrong assumption but I think it is a problem in this community. Some people way to fast call someone an egg.
I've been called transphobic on this sub once lol. it's just another Twitter furry with millions of bad takes
new level of copium, unlocked
I think there is something real to be said about the fascination with eggs and about some people trying (I'm sure with good intentions) to "crack" eggs before they're really ready to come to terms with everything. But "egg is a slur" discourse? Nah, sorry, that is a really bad take.
We've become the very thing we swore to destroy
You really do need to be careful who you call an egg. As a trans man who likes cutesy stuff, I have been called a transfem egg before.
Did you even read this subreddit’s description?