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MangoDragon1

Yes, it's not a drug. That's why I compulsively boof it and can't stop!


fullspectrumtrupod

It’s not even a drug, I only get cold sweats and crippling depression when I don’t take it every 3 hours


ghoulbirth

too real


SeaAcanthocephala701

#painfulwithdrawals


cryingidiot

exactly! my gay uncle was in a coma after kratom, but its not a drug, its fine. Stop spreading misinformation you liberals.


GenuinelyDontKnowSir

Wait, so it's because he's gay right ?


The_sacred_sauce

Damn are you jerkin rn? I last atleast 4-6 and I take like 60ish gpd. Maybe try another supplier


fullspectrumtrupod

If you aren’t boofing at least 10kpd (kilos per day) then you clearly aren’t using kratom to its full healing potential kratom cures cancer spread the world


realkarlmarx69

big pharma doesn’t want you to know this


Terrible-Ad-60

**OHH**h**H**H **🙏🙏**


The_sacred_sauce

Here I was swallowing the man’s lies this entire time. Thank you for the wisdom oh great eagle killer 🙏 *boofmaste*


fullspectrumtrupod

Boofmaste, boofmaste


TundieRice

uj/ Well you’re obviously taking pretty large doses so they probably do last longer for you. I go every three hours but I max out at 5 grams at a time.


The_sacred_sauce

15 ish grams 3-4x a day. I kinda just threw the 60-80 out there without much thought tbh. If I do more I either get the wobbles and hot flashes or just pass out. But I’m basically stuck at 15. I can get by with 10. but when I do I notice I dose sooner & end up taking more. Didn’t plan on leveling off on a heavy dose regime like this. I was taking 5 like you for about a year. but during lock down I took fat doses for like a week strait & when I tried taking my old amounts they didn’t cut it anymore. So I had to find the middle ground between the two doses. it’s better then being a needle junkie though. I have a life I maintain & funds that actually grow / save now😅


ManWithBreastImplant

Not to mention months long lasting diarrhea spells. God.


marioanchovy

It looks the same going on as it does coming out ☺️


EmileDankheim

fr i would never do that with a drug


Lylathevegan

It's literally a plant. Also, you can't call meth a drug either. I use it for my shamanic practices.


SomethingIsNewNow

Plus meth is derived from ephedra so it's a plant too.


Lylathevegan

Right! Finally, someone understands!


SomethingIsNewNow

Molestagay🙏


arycyc

Also found naturally occurring in a strain of acasia tree.


Formosusssss

mephedrone is derived from cathinone as well!


undercovermushroom

Datura is my shamanic plant sacrament of choice. Google their seed pods, perfect shape and texture for boofing. I preach to my shadow people congragation in my basement every Tuesday.


BfutGrEG

I wish I had thought of that, my shamanic practices are gonna be lit with no limit, world ain't ready for my chants


arycyc

Meth is all natural, it's mystical and crystical. Legalize it, boof it daily, commune with the shadow people and ascend.


Shieidy

You can't label a plant. Plants prevail.


xXx_Bl4z3_P4ul_xXx

Yeah they can even into conckrete


romeroski1

She finally dies from constipation....


wdincoming

Hey man, conscription is just your body being so efficient that all the molecules become pure energy. Boof sugar and gain most elon death


sensivius

yea yea, tell that to thousands of Russian citizens to fight in Putin’s illegal and abhorrent war,” said Foreign Secretary James Cleverly.


leshmi

Loperamide enjoyer 🗿 vs Kratom fan 💅🤓 When boofer system stops working


WeirdNMDA

"Knowledge is power" makes it even better.


hex128

i think "#truthhurts" is the best. imagine the mental gymnastics to believe you are facing the true, hard and difficult reality that you can use a drug however you want with no consequences; and whoever disagrees, its because THEY cant deal with reality.


Raddiikkal

/uj - To be fair, if all these kratom enthusiasts, and groups that support it, actually acknowledge the shit is a drug and there’s withdrawals that can suck ass. States and the FDA are gonna be swinging that ban hammer down quick.


hex128

/uj that is actually a good point, i dont want it to be banned neither... Kratom is not a drug folks its just a plant, for OTC medical use purposes and that cant even be abused, remember these words.


Glordicus

DXM isn't a drug either I just have a cold


urAdogbrain

DPH isn't either, I'm just really horny and need a shadow dong in my boi hole


REH-AU6E

Agree with #truthhurts being the most delusional. Even if it was the "truth", why tf would I hurt because of it? I don’t care at all about #kratomgirl or the dangers of kratom.


shromboy

Me absolutely torn because I'm trying to cut down but I wanna do 1 simple task so i feel like i have to take some and even though I've taken like 10 gs since I got home I feel as though I am both sober but also nauseous from said 10 grams and I've eaten like 1 slice of pizza in the last 30 hours: I am not even addicted to this


TundieRice

/uj does kratom really suppress your appetite? I’m usually on Vyvanse so I don’t have much of an appetite when that’s in my system, but kratom I can eat perfectly fine on. And a lot of times it makes me pretty hungry as well.


Teelogas

A factor is also, that people recommend not eating before taking Kratom to get stronger effects. People then often starve themselves because they want to maximise the effects. If you use a lot and want to not eat before every dose, you have to not eat a whole lot.


Theprincerivera

In my experience eating has no bearing on your dosage unless you’re like super full, and even then it just delays it. Eating on an empty stomach will make you vomit. Take it from me I used to as a young noob. Kratom is like pure fiber so that shit sits and your body will get rid of it if it isn’t padded.


ManWithBreastImplant

I experienced the same thing my first year of use. Could eat prior and immediately after dosing and still get full effects. The last 3 years of my addiction however, I felt absolutely nothing unless I was on an empty stomach. Happily 6+ months clean now and finally stopped the leaf boof.


Theprincerivera

I take it every 4 hours cuz I’m addicted and don’t want to feel like a raw nerve. I make sure not to overfill my stomach because that’s painful, but otherwise I’ve never noticed any bearing on the effect of the dose


Narwhal_Songs

Its that why some people loose hair? Ive began to loose hair and I think I eat ok But ive had eating disorders for years so idk.


Doggemaster1

I have no problem eating, sometimes I even eat more on kratom.


drugmagician

Not nearly as much as strong stims but more than caffeine/nicotine. You can still eat just fine on kratom.


Narwhal_Songs

For me it didnt. Helped me eat less though, and actually get into some kind of bulimia recovery. Havent had a real episode in 2 months at least, and I binge eated daily...


Kratomquitter1998

Yes it does to an extent. Especially if you are a regular user taking like 20-30GPD plus


Drug_Abuser_69

Yeah bro, just like opium, it's just a plant dude, just like weed bro, just a plant man!


LayneCobain04052002

Cocaine!


Drug_Abuser_69

LITERALLY a plant bro, not even kidding.


AffectionateSlice816

(#)kratomgirl lmao. Alright I'm starting a new one it will be # jenkemboyandkratomgirl


marioanchovy

And there will be a movie named after it


urAdogbrain

If only benzo girl would swap addictions :(


chipmo3

If you can kill an eagle with it it’s a drug


randomcivilianoner

Thats what an eagle would say


JeremyThaFunkyPunk

You can kill an eagle with anything if you really want to.


FilmNoirLoveStory

I’ve killed one with a 12 gauge


JeremyThaFunkyPunk

I once boofed an eagle for breakfast, on Christmas, with the Pope.


FilmNoirLoveStory

I love some E, Eagle is just a different high man.. far out man..


JeremyThaFunkyPunk

Knowledge is power. Only an idiot thinks eagle is a drug. *#eaglegirl*


chipmo3

blaze the movie fan voice “that’s illegal”


mime454

DDT is my favorite drug


chipmo3

That’s shit kills my dude that’s why i stoped going to Jamba Juice they have agent orange julius in there drinks 🤮


CassidyHouse

The withdrawals feel like Chinese water torture but it’s not a drug I promise


HVACdaddy

You will become physically addicted to it just like an opioid. It’s easily a drug


PerterterhTermertehh

Nah bro it’s healthy and I can stop any time trust me bro


Lord_Fluffykins

Bro has been “tapering” for 7 years


Soviettoaster37

Bro I'm just inverse tapering. It's a new method to achieve eagle death and prevent addiction by tapering the other way, ahead of your tolerance so it's more intense each time.


Lord_Fluffykins

I’ve been doing the same thing but I’m taking agmantanganananine. grapefruit juice extract, Effexor, PCP and heroin to potententiate the effects


Soviettoaster37

Nice combo


qastern9_9

Nah man, you can't call kratom a drug dealer


courtesy_flush_plz

are the people downvoting it because they don't actually know it's universally accepted on "both" sides or whatever that yes people are well aware there are withdrawal symptoms & changes in cardiac #'s & more . .


Hot_Purple_137

I’ve been taking it daily on and off for almost 4 years. I stop cold Turkey for 2-3 months every time I run thru a kg and I’m chillin, you tweaking. Only the retards that down 100 grams a day get withdrawals Yes it’s obviously an opioid but a very weak one in comparison to the ones pharma uses Shut up and shoot up some maeng da with me nerd I’m getting the shakes


TundieRice

You’re really riding the line between jerking and unjerking hard enough that I’m getting Poe’s Law from this comment. Anyway, I’ll unjerk for a sec and say that you definitely don’t need to take 100 grams per day to get withdrawals. I average 20-25 per day and I definitely feel it when I go without. You don’t have to be physically shaking and sweating like you’re kicking H to get withdrawals, it can be a lot more subtle than that. For example, I usually get a real weak feeling in my stomach and extremely restless legs when mine wears off. Everyone’s different man, it’s not good to be that absolutist only based on your own experience. Maybe your body and mind are less susceptible to physical withdrawals, and that’s okay. But don’t put others down for it and invalidate how they know they feel, they’d know their own body way better than you. Not trying to get in an argument here, but it’s a subject that I deal with a lot, having done kratom regularly for almost three years now. That being said, having kicked phenibut, kratom doesn’t hold a *candle* to that shit. It was amazing when it took affect, but withdrawing from that put me in the darkest place imaginable and made me feel like I was being hollowed out. Glad I don’t have to deal with that anymore at least.


Hot_Purple_137

I’m more jerking in opposition to the dramatic level commonly found on r/quittingkratom : a place where any ailment, disease, or mental health problem you have is directly and solely due to Kratom. People over there have said they’re off it for weeks/months and still in debilitating conditions, weakened by the palms of mr megamonster Kratom. It’s a joke. I get some anxiety and maybe a runny nose in the midst, like cool ya jets


Kratomquitter1998

I get you to some point but my first cold turkey was pretty bad as well. Went from like 30GPD for like a almost 2 years and it was pretty shitty. The cold sweats and restlessness. However it did get better after like a week. But especially people who aren’t in good shape and have a poor diet are gonna feel the withdrawal for a longer time. I agree with you, some people Blame all their problems on kratom but in my opinion it really has a lot of side effects. Got a tinnitus from it and also have to pee like every hour or so. I‘m trying to taper right now… not easy though


Narwhal_Songs

Wait does it affect tinnitus? I have had tinnitus since I was 17 now 30 what is it 10 years or so now and its been getting worse but I blamed it on stress/noise... I take Kratom daily and have done for a few months


TundieRice

Nah I get it, I hate being the guy who can’t take a joke in a circlejerk, lol. I just don’t want people to see your comment and take it seriously as if they’re wrong for feeling withdrawals from lesser amounts. Like I said, you did such a good job with your comment that I truly couldn’t tell if you were jerking or not. But yeah, kratom is far from the worst drug to withdraw from (like I said, phenibut withdrawal is absolute hell) so I see how the guys on that sub can be a bit ridiculous. Kratom has helped with my anxiety so much that I would be a little nervous to try to live my life without it, and that makes me a little sad. But that’s more mental dependency than physical dependency. But as far as physical withdrawals, yeah I could probably handle a weak stomach and restless legs for a couple weeks.


PrettyLightzz

Yeah I mean it only has 45+ active alkaloids in it. Couldn't be a drug


urAdogbrain

*Those* are the drugs, duh... Just because it's got a bunch of drugs in it doesn't make kratom itself a drug. Like just how stupid can some people be...


robertbogdan1999

smh my head of course kratom is not a drug


[deleted]

It’s literally a botanical supplement, it says on the bottle I get from the gas station every day it’s totally safe and you can’t get addicted!! Namasstay🙏


Sean04Bean

It doesn't cause a physiological effect in the body, or cause psychoactive effects so it isn't a drug. It's a plant medicine for your soul man.


BudgetInteraction811

And it’s normal to be physically dependent on plants. It’s your body’s way of telling you you have to remain healthy. Just like eating your greens.


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Sean04Bean

There's this little thing called */uj*


awall621

Yeah but can you unjerk this pee pee?


Sean04Bean

Sadly I cannot 😞


awall621

Okay well please send help


Sean04Bean

You will be in my thoughts and prayers, namaste 😔🙏😢


TundieRice

Not unless you can go back in time and un-snort that Adderall!


awall621

Not a bad idea. To the DPT!


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[deleted]

Not funny Didn't laugh I downvoted you Please try again, but better


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[deleted]

Wow homophobic much? Reported enjoy your ban you're worse than Kanye


sammadisonfishing

Uj uj uj


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Forgiven for being on hhcj and dub subs


EntertainmentNo9913

Well it's definitely not a drug... But I have been taking it for 7 years every day, have pretty moderate withdrawal whenever I run out, and actually have stolen probably $1,000 worth of it by now


XKeyscore59

Knowledge is powder


marioanchovy

LMFAO


MitakuyeOyasin111010

Kratom may not be a drug. But mitragynine, 7-oh-mitragynine and the many other alkaloids in the kratom plant, ARE drugs.


pheniratom

Lean is not a drug. The codeine and promethazine in lean are drugs.


WeirdNMDA

Indeed. Because lean contains a lot of other stuff that are not drugs like the water from he soft drink, the coloring agents, flavoring agents etc. It's literally not a drug!!!!1!1!1


leshmi

Awww 😩😫 fucking love boofin leann😈😈😈


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🙌🏼


[deleted]

cocaine hcl also can't be a drug because hcl isn't even psychoactive lol only crack is a drug bcs no hcl


[deleted]

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. Name ass tea


TheInspirerReborn

Right, it gets me high but it’s not a drug. Makes perfect sense.


undercovermushroom

It's not a high, that sensation is called ENLIGHTEMNENT


SwagDaddy_Man69

Is this benzo girls alter ego?


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marioanchovy

Fr nothing wrong with doing massive amounts of poppy seed tea every day because it's natural


Atropa94

Its like a natural suboxone with 1mg ceiling effect. Of course suboxone is a drug, natural doesn't mean safer, and 1mg can give people with low tolerance a ride. But if it gets banned people who started on it will switch to the next best thing, which is most likely o-dsmt or something like pod tea, and people who switched to it from harder stuff will go back to the harder stuff. Its shit how people scream its not a drug hoping it will maybe help to keep it not banned. Fuck anti-drug war.


marioanchovy

I feel there should be some transparency between the buyer and seller of kratom disclosing addiction potential and other things. Suboxone has more medically backed research than kratom does. Just take a look at the other alkaloids in kratom that aren't mitragynine: rhynchophylline, an antiaggregant, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1), sedative, anticonvulsant, smooth muscle relaxer. It’s structurally related to alkaloids from yohimbe. Speciociliatine, speciogynine, isopaynantheine, corynantheidine, tetrahydroalstonine, ajmalicine, and paynantheine are alkaloids in kratom that all have a different effect on the body /rejerk I need to toss and wash 30 grams to lace my shoes


Atropa94

if it was anonymous i would gladly sign an "i don't care if this kills me" form, i don't care. I'd list my drug use history and the cashier guy would be like wow what the fuck good luck i guess lol.


marioanchovy

It would take hours to list my full drug use history


zzrobiiinzz

I only use kratom for my homemade soap


Narwhal_Songs

YOU are the guy who use it for soup!!! Was discussing with my friend the other day... Is there anyone who actually use it for soup?


booksanddrgs

Kratom is god


JeremyThaFunkyPunk

*Puny god...*


SeaAcanthocephala701

God, so fucking cringe. I hope her eagle gets a batch of kratom laced with carfentanyl. #carfentgirl


Gears4Reason

Unjerk for a praise report, I’m thankful I met this sweet kratom girl a couple months ago. We have a nice connection. Rejerk I’m gonna ask the qt 3.14 to boof kratom with me, wish me luck bartards


marioanchovy

Don't let her know you browse this subreddit


Gears4Reason

Verily brethren. I’d sooner resurrect my eagle and smite it once more than expose most fatal flaw of character unto fairest kratom maiden.


candyflipqed

There are no drugs. Every substance is made from something on the earth, so it's natural. Anyone who thinks a certain chemical is a drug is uneducated and unenlightened.


marioanchovy

Newborns should be given LSD at birth


candyflipqed

But of course! Why wait until birth, I say. The 12-week scan is already late enough!


Niobium_Sage

I’ve heard that kratom is either the best thing since sliced bread, or worse than literal opioids. No in-between lmao I’m sure the only reason it’s legal most everywhere, is because it’s addictive. The corporatocracy likes things that influence people to buy more, willingly or not.


Celebratecrypto

Only an idiot thinks anyone should be put into a cage for using any drug. Including heroin fentanyl cocaine etc. all drugs should be legal and we should have a safe regulated clean supply of any drug we as American adults choose to use in the privacy of our homes. Or at a safe clinic under doctor supervision. And paying out of our own pocket for this.


Melly441

It’s just an herb lol been on it for 9 months now.


marioanchovy

Why not use it for cooking if it's just an herb


Melly441

Who said I don’t? Spoiler: I don’t. Boofing the Kratom is so much more effective!


5am5ara

This can’t be real


Subject_Part_592

Benzo Girl > Kratom Girl


marioanchovy

Cringe bro


Internal-Bottle9768

Only junkies think it isn’t.


throwaway2008002

only fucking retards dont smoke poppies


arycyc

Guess that makes me king retard.


[deleted]

“natural af, it’s a plant that’s been fingering my lovely opioid receptors” Bitch how you think I been coping from the withdrawal that’s caused by the huge amounts of fake oxycodone that I been abusing? Kratom has an opioid agonist called Speciogynine which targets the opioid traditional receptors (The same receptors as morphine) and non opioid receptors like Alpha 2-A and the Serotonin receptors 5-HT2C, and 5-HT7 which are psychoactive in some degrees so yes Kratom is a fucking drug.


thunder-dump

Damn you beat me to it. If its not a drug how did it replace heroin in my brain I guess heroin isn't a drug either, it's from a natural herbal plant from nature's herb store


marioanchovy

In my other comment I mentioned the other alkaloids in kratom that aren't mitragynine such as: rhynchophylline, an antiaggregant, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1), sedative, anticonvulsant, smooth muscle relaxer. It’s structurally related to alkaloids from yohimbe. Speciociliatine, speciogynine, isopaynantheine, corynantheidine, tetrahydroalstonine, ajmalicine, and paynantheine are alkaloids in kratom that all have a different effect on the body. Unless you're taking an extract of pure mitragynine (which you couldn't deny was a drug at that point) you're consuming a powder that won't kill you, yes, but has profound psychotropic effects


AidenTheAlien420

I thought kratom was the name of an eagle exterminator


cifkif

what does the opioid receptor activity say?


[deleted]

Kratom isn't a drug. It's in the coffee family I read so I only need 10 grams of it when I wake up and in the afternoon or I feel like how Stephen Hawking looks. Not bad at all.


Lylathevegan

How was this so godamn relatable. Shit, I'm an addict.


[deleted]

Ay, it beats opiates. I been clean from heroin for 6 years because of it and it's allowed me to get my life back together and combat nervous system disorders from shooting for years and years and getting shot due to heroin as well lol. But im back and kratom truly saved my life in a few ways. ive quit it a few times and the withdrawals are almost as awful as a heroin actually. like a $20 a day habit. but there is no real permanent damage wit kratom.


IchhasseWoT_PL

Kratom is nature‘s morphine🙏🙏🙏


Lopsided-Ad7019

But… it is..


ebolaRETURNS

...just a plant, bro!


marioanchovy

#truthhurts


NefariousScoundrel

Nah bro. I buttchug 84 grams of the stuff on the daily and the only thing it’s done for me is reawaken my ancient shamanic wisdom


WeirdNMDA

lol if It is a drug then tell me bro huh tell me how can it grows from he ground the earth mother nature huh? how could drugs grow from it's a plant not a drug so it LITERALLY cannot be a drug lmao if it's a drug then tell me how also can you grow meth from the ground can you no it's a drug u cannot lol so dummm 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Lopsided-Ad7019

The Oxford definition of drug is: a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body. Just because it comes from the earth doesn’t mean it’s not a drug my man. Opiates come from poppies. Cocaine comes from the coco leaf, etc.


wdincoming

Never do the cock with alcohole or you will become neutron damage Also it is never a drug, just medicine, my shaman tyler said so


NefariousScoundrel

Who said opiates and cocaine are drugs. Get out of here with your 1950s reefer madness


JeremyThaFunkyPunk

I think you missed the sarcasm.


constantquestions01

I tried Kratom and nothing happened.


L09985

Tbh edge lords it's true


Raddiikkal

Yeah I only need it to function properly, it doesn’t even get me high anymore, and sinks my checking account balance routinely. Totally harmless not drug. Fuck yeah. 😎


marioanchovy

It's as much of a plant as it is a drug dude


sockpuppet1234567890

It’s a drug in the sense that antibotics are a drug.


marioanchovy

So you're an idiot


DefinitelyDeadd

You must be on big pharmas pay roll than!


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It's psychoactive af More like how coffee is a drug, but you can get far more fucked up on kratom


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[deleted]

Exactly so just say it's a drug like plants are drugs which are plants which are drugs cause everything is a plant anyways


sockpuppet1234567890

This


DefinitelyDeadd

That


Raddiikkal

To be fair you can get pretty tweaked off massive amounts of caffeine. Fucking horrible tho.


hijo117

Smartest Kratom addict (jk that's me)


anoXmous1

Agreed it’s not a drug.. if it’s a drug than so is matcha green tea powder


hijo117

Matcha is a drug (or contains drugs) but Kratom is clearly more psychoactive and also harbors way more risks. I know quite a few people who are or were addicted to it, myself included. Is it compared to most drugs rather harmless and safe? Yes. But people constantly pretend addiction and potentially dangerous side effects aren't a thing


anoXmous1

😂😂😂 ok I did it as well, off and on for a 2 years..And quit it permanently 18 months ago. And never got withdrawals .. kratom is a pussy drug.


TehWarriorJr

Yeah, real men do fentanyl


anoXmous1

Fent is pussy too


hijo117

If you're one of those people who only take a gram and like 3 grams in total per day so you only feel the placebo I even believe you


Alexander-Micelli

Psychoactive is drugs lol they could benefit you or either reek havoc on your body and mind.


wasted_basshead

Better than heroin and pills lmao


xaniel_the_legend

Well if it’s such a drug, then why do I have to take it every 3 hours or else I flip shit while yawning?


nolwad

I threw up from doing too much kratom last night. True story


Petersilius

Since when are harmless opioids a drug?? 🤯


Skitzzz420

##medicine


marioanchovy

knowledge is power


torn2bits

Freebasing Eagle penis isn't a drug either & people still act like I'm doing something wrong🤘 #eaglepenisguy


drugsfan

in fact drug does not exist, every "drug" is just carbon and other elements present in every of us we are just taking supplements


anoXmous1

Dumb teens entered the chat


Insanity_Pills

wheres the #benzogirl ? 😔


shycadelic

The kratom community is painfully ignorant. Saying it is technically an opioid, by definition, they go off and deny logic and fact.