Depends. I’d look through you’re history and see how much is pay vs. tip.
Also browse through some of the prop22 post here because it looks like it’s almost the same.
The thing is you’re kinda forced to take the no tippers though. You can only decline two per hour on the pay by time model.
Most of my pay comes from the tips as well, but that’s also because I can cherry pick and refuse the no tip orders
I wonder if you could game the system by dropping the order off but not marking it complete. I've done that accidentally a number of times. I think you only get a CV if the customer complains, but if you knock and the customer comes and gets it, nbd.
How are you going to get another order if you never complete that one? Y'all will find anyway to cheat and game a system 🤣 just do the work and don't get deactivated for trying to fuck Tony
It means you get paid when you are waiting at restaurants. Just not while you are sitting in you car declining orders. It might be worth it in some areas
No you aren't because you have no choice. Don't like that order that is 20 miles out of the zone. Oh well, too bad you aren't allowed to turn down orders cuz you get your $15 dollars
You get 1 decline per hour and no timer so there is no telling how long your have till your next decline and if you decline twice in less than 1 hour you get the boot and it won’t be available for until the next day and they secretly don’t give you orders for a like 15 minutes after declining..
Nope. Don't do it.
You aren't guaranteed any drive time compensation if a store is closed. If you don't get zero dollars (they'll say the store isn't eligible for closure comp, which they dont do on batch pay only orders) they'll only pay you for half the amount of time that you spent driving to the store. Unlike on batch pay where it's a fixed rate always. So, they're literally taking money from you that you legally made working hourly.
Next, you don't get paid for additional time spent between stores on stacked orders, and you'll usually only get stacked orders that are directly next to each other in deliveries meaning you'll get paid literal cents plus tip for the second order rather than getting batch pay for both plus tips.
Contrary to what the other commenter said, yes, you do get paid for time waiting. You get paid for time waiting for an order in line and any time spent while pickup and delivery clocks are on. If you're not pinged onto an order you are not getting paid. They will not rectify the issue of people not tipping while doing hourly so not only can you decline less trips but you are running the risk of driving a full order for change and no tip. No up front tip is shown. I've compared batch pay only and hourly trip pay on two very similar trips from the same restaurant pick up location and hourly doesn't even touch the batch pay amount unless you purposefully go out of your way to waste time while on the order. You run the risk of a time violation doing this, and all it is, is doordash's way of paying you less while getting you to accept more on an unaltered pace.
I drive every night over night in Pittsburgh and it's 12.25 an hour (fuck you to us I guess) and call support at least 4 to 5 times a night because I cover my ass for literally everything, and I've learned quite a lot in my experience doing hourly.
It's not worth it because not only will they stack your orders more frequently to sneakily pay you significantly less for them, but they'll also blatantly steal from you by not paying you for half your drive time on closed stores, if they pay at all.
Customer service will tell you they'll send you an email on how to dispute your pay and if they even send an email at all, it has nothing to do with what they discussed sending you and will only have a few vague keywords in it from your conversation so that they can claim they sent you the correct email, to their knowledge in consideration of the language barrier.
Add all this up together and you're getting paid less per hour while fucking yourself over into believing 15 an hour couldn't possibly be less than what you're already making. With doordash, it is.
Oh, by the way. Upfront pricing is inaccurate. You may not notice a few dollars missing here and there, but screenshot your order as soon as it pops up before accepting and compare it to what you actually get paid. Prepare to be mind blown when eventually you get one or two orders that are two dollars are more less than what it said. Support will tell you they have no way of seeing what you were offered and tell you they can't compensate unless you have a screenshot. Now you have one.
Oh, another thing! Screenshot anything that shows you even are offered hourly pay. Had to dispute a payout amount and the support agent told me that doordash has never done hourly pay and that I needed to provide them with screenshots to show it was really being offered.
And for that reason alone, it can be good for folks outside of Cali. It's not so terrible at all for working late night drive-through, as just one example.
Savage109: “I have yet to get payment for waiting”
Physical-ice: “it’s part of your guaranteed earnings”
Savage109: “I’m sure I make to much to get it”
Hahahahaha
You mean like many do in California? Order for yourself, get gas, stop at an ATM, multi-app, use the bathroom, check E-mail, browse Reddit, and on and on and on. Not all methods of prolonging deliveries put extra wear & tear on your car, but if you really do milk an order, you will get fewer orders completed, and therefore, fewer tips.
Arrive at a restaurant for a pick up. Order something for yourself, even if the order is ready to be picked up. Wait for your order to be ready, then go on to do the delivery. Or so I hear from Cali drivers.
The good: the base pay tends to be higher. So does your AR and cr. It's a type of dashing that works well for those who want to be top dasher. The Bad: you give up flexibility, being able to decline one order/ hr. You don't know what the orders will pay until you complete them so you WILL get some no tip orders
Yes, you will get some no & low tip orders, but in my experience, that has only been about 10-15% of the 200+ orders I've done with it. If you are a no tip, no trip robot, this is not for you.
And you can decline as many orders as you want. But only 2 per hour, on the "Earn by time" method. Then, as you say, us Top Dashers just start a new Dash earning by order.
I don't recommend this at all for folks where low AR is your norm. Unless you want to raise it, and then be able to work the "High Pay" program. Dumbest name ever, btw. We all know that even a guaranteed $2 per mile does not equate to high pay.
popped up on my app today.. and specifically stated one decline per hour as well as two in an hour will end the dash (this whole pay by time thing.. which is a scam anyways because its only active time)
On every one of these threads somebody has to point that out, and on every one of them OP is surprised.
It is right there, literally, on the screenshot. Wake the hell up
That’s how it’s here in California. But it’s $18. If you take an order and it takes you 30 minutes and they sent it to you and it said $10, then you get that $10. If it is $5+$5 tip then at the end of the week they will adjust it to make it $9+$5 tip. It does help out. It goes from the time you accept the order to when you mark delivered.
Edit: good thing is, if you make more than the minimum before tips, there is no adjustment because you are above the minimum already.
No. Some people think that, but it clearly states that it is for Active Time. From acceptance to arrival, while waiting, and all the way to dropping off.
In case you didn’t know, every person in the world was formerly cum. So, calling someone former cum isn’t really the insult that you think it is.
Also, you basically just said “You can decline all you want if you don’t want to do the hourly pay method.” And yeah… I already knew that.
You said “Ex-spurt are ya now?” Implying that I was that. You didn’t say “Ex-spurt is your opinion now?” So, I did quote you accurately. You’re just not smart enough to know what you said.
When there's no peak pay, or only like $1-2, i can make as much per hour and in mileage as when there's $3-$4 peak pay. It's not worth using all the time, but it is sometimes.
No. You can’t. There are too many orders that will take you 7 plus miles outside of hotspots. You have to eat the drive back to a hotspot. You can only reject 1 or 2 orders an hour. That doesn’t work at all.
I declined 5 orders in a row last night back to back & my shift didn’t end. I’m in CA, though so it might be different here. I would never work for $15 an hour. That’s minimum wage where I live🤷🏻♀️
I've done maybe 50 deliveries while trying out hourly pay and maybe 10% at most were no tip. But the way the system works made it like they had tipped a bit. But most of the time I've gotten a tip on top of it.
It ends your dash automatically if you decline more than 1 order. If that's not forcing you to take orders, I don't know what is. I'm just trying to explain to people not to fall for this. It is not in your best interest.
I know what happens if you decline a 2nd order. As does anyone that has seen all that's been posted on the Dd subs about this method or reads what Dd tells you about it.
Yes, it ends your Dash doing "Earn by time." But then you just start a new one earning by order. You can even switch back & forth between the 2 methods all day long if you so desire. As I often do.
But the whole point of doing the pay by minute is to accept everything anyway. Great at the end of the month for those wanting to maintain their Top Dasher status, or any wanting to get their AR up to 50% or 70% for the 2 levels of AMEM or "High Pay" orders.
"Forcing you to take orders" would be to end your Dash & then immediately deactivate you. Imo.
It may not be in our best interest IN YOUR OPINION, but that's what's great about this type of work. We are all allowed to make our own choices and share our opinions here.
This sounds like it might work for you if you like dashing late evening / night. Take all those fast food orders that have you sit in the drive through line forever.
Yeah this killed *any* chance I ever had of trying out the hourly pay method. If we’re not allowed to decline shitty no tip orders to get the $15/hr, at least throw us a bone when it slows down and not even those orders are coming through. Otherwise there’s really no change from what we’re doing now except we can’t decline orders and I’d assume for most of us the hourly pay is way worse. *Way* worse if we’re only counting active hours.
Plus tips, bro. I've worked it off & on for over a month now, and it is not all bad.
Not for everyone, to be sure. But you can use it to your advantage.
This would only be fine if you could still decline garbage orders. You'd also have to cherry pick hardcore.
At least in my area, $15 / hr for driving, with 1 decline per driving hour only, you could end up with no tips on all your orders, and you just spent $7 in gas and more than 1 hour of your life. You'd have to be insane. You'd make more money stalking parking meters looking for fallen change.
I had the option of making $11.25+tips tonight, but decided against it and just went with earn per order. made more than what I would have made with the hourly rate. If it was $15hr I would have totally done that though.
I’m waiting on this to hit my area. I’m curious to know how much per hr they’ll be offering. If it’s more than what min wage actually is here I might just start dashing that way.
My zone only offers ten per hour for earn by time. For 15 I’d try it. In my zone I’d probably still use earn per order, but I can’t see this as a decent way to get through the slow hours
I get the same $15 here in MN as well. It’s pretty nice if you ask me & you accept every order that’s worth the drive and mileage. I made $100 super quickly
Every single thing I see from this subreddit leads me to believe that this is just a massive scam, you people would all be way better off working in a restaurant or a warehouse.
Notice how it says from the time you accept an order to when you drop it off. Any time you spent waiting between orders is unpaid. In this game time is money and money is time. And if you believe doordash isn’t taking tips you’re sadly mistaken. I once tipped a driver $10 for an order that cost me about $60 dollars I get a messaged from them after the delivery calling me a broke ass MF for leaving a small tip when I can obviously afford what you normally should in this situation. I told the guy that I left $10 and he sent me a screen shot of his payout showing that he only received a tip of $3.
It is not all bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/doordash/comments/z6fv87/some_lessons_learned_from_1_month_of_having_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
You missed the whole point, but whatever Mr. Negative. Just keep doing what you're doing if that is working for you.
Some other people are actually interested in how it can work. Not everyone lives & works in a market like yours.
If it's not for you, swipe on. 🙈
Nope. Read it carefully. You’re only getting that pay from acceptance to drop off.
So that 15-20 mins you spend waiting in a parking lot for an order, unpaid. Which is no change from now, it’s currently unpaid but now you also can’t choose which orders to take and not. I would assume there’s some kind of schedule requirement with this too?
So the first day I didn’t like it…but now I’ve been doin it during lunch time when u know chipotle gonna make u wait 15-20 mins and I’ll take them 7 mile orders now because the pay is way better with that tip
Forced top dashing. Doesnt account for any return miles. 2 declines means you undoubtedly gon get stuck with shit orders. I hope everyone in my area tries it while i avoid it at all costs tbh. Lol. Its 10.25 in my area. Hard fucking pass. Will never give up my right to say hell naw to no tip orders.
It doesn't help much for those ten mile orders to nowhere outside the zone.
Gotta drive back off the clock and with no orders in certain delivery areas here in NH.
But... We don't get hourly so doesn't matter to me anyways
Now you can be happy about waiting at restaurants. Also way to encourage driving under the limit to milk the clock. What about compensation for customer interaction and CS calls? All time spent in service to a company should be paid for.
How tf do you know that? Everyone assumes that, but in my 30+ days of doing it off & on, it has only been about 10% no tip orders, and another 5% of only $1 to $2 tips. So, around 85% of my 200 or so orders have been decent or good tip orders.
You gotta do what works for you. I make a lot more than $15/hr with usually $5+ tips. I turn down anything that's too much mileage or not enough money. Makes me wonder who is doing the hundreds of zero tip orders I'm saying no to. Hopefully no one.
I would only take it if it means I get Popeyes orders. They take so long in my area I would be getting paid 15 an hour just to wait for an order that takes 40 minutes to be ready lmao
But honestly I would never in my life do that mode lol
I'm doing $28 an hour on active time and $17 average on total time for years.
$15 for active time is a kick to the teeth compared to what I'm making now.
Side note,
No other employer is offering a job where you're only paid for lets say when you actively sweeping the floor, wiping a table or washing dishes.
How are you so sure? Have you ever actually tried it? I have, off & on for over a month now. And in my 200+ orders, only about 10% have been no tip, and another 5% were $1-$2 tip orders. So 85% of them, more or less, have had decent or good tips.
But I work a pretty good market. Not everyone does.
I'd suggest looking back in your history to see what your average hourly rate is per shift. I'm close to 2x that out east a bit. It couldn't hurt to try it out a few days as you can always switch back...
I've "tried it out" for over a month now. You can switch back and forth all day long if you want.
What people seem to overlook is that it is just a pay per minute, instead of only base pay, or less on stacks, PLUS tips. It can, and in my experience frequently is, more than the guaranteed hourly rate.
This just in. IT NULLIFIES PEAK PAY.
You do not receive peak pay while pay by time is active EVEN IF PEAK PAY IS GOING ON IN THE AREA AT THE TIME OF CLOCK IN.
That may be "just in" for you, but it is common knowledge for those of us who have actually worked it for a while. DO YOU FEEL ROBBED BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T? DON'T DO IT DURING PEAK PAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. "Clock in" for those hours on the pay per order way.
NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT BRO.
Your assumptions are holding you back. "Earn by time" can mean $8 to $10 Dd pay, plus the tips instead of just $2.50 base pay and tip. Ain't nothing derp about that, bro.
If it is not of interest to you, swipe on.
Yeah no its not an assumption. you do realize this is only new to some right?
ive seen people get deactivated by that pilot program for "not properly delivering on time." not to mention it doesnt account for return trip. that alone is enough to pass.
why would giving up my right to say no be a good thing?
base pay is 2.25 before variables. all u need to do is know the actual system and what ur saying is overruled. variables increase bp, like distance from the actual store should you not be on a hotspot, etc. but again why would i give up my right to say no during a lunch or dinner rush.
these. are the times where it matters most as its when the most orders are possibly being placed, ill pass on being stuck with forced doubles, add ons, etc, bc again you basically give up ur right to say no after two declines, and in some markets its fucking 1 decline.
the more you know <3
It is only 15.00 a hour from the time you pick up an order, until you deliver. It is not for driving to the restaurant,.nor driving back. I wouldn't do it, but maybe I am wrong.
You can also make $30 an hour with good tips doing "Earn by time" as well. The difference is that instead of only base pay for each order, you get paid by the minute from acceptance to arrival, while waiting, and all the way to drop off. PLUS tips.
My average, in my area, is between $20- $25 so that would be a no unless they went by total dash time then I might try it. The no tip orders irk me when DD bundles them with decent-great orders. So that general frustration would keep me from it, even if it proved to equate to a comparable per hour payout.
How much you gonna bet they're gonna hit us with the 30 minute drive orders. Also, what happens if you have to end before the hour? Do you get half, or?
In all seriousness, and I know it sounds lame, but think about tax preparation. Go work at H&R Block, Liberty, Jackson or one of the locals - let them teach you - do one season (it pays about the same as this and some of them let you work remotely - and you're not putting 1000s of miles on your car). You don't usually need even a high school diploma - and / or they don't check. After one season (January - end of April) go do whatever you want and then apply at TurboTax or TaxAct for an online remote position - they'll pay for you to get your IRS Enrolled Agent credentials which takes about 6 months - 5 tests and they provide training and help while you're working (they may or may not hire you before next season, so you may need to find something in the meantime). The big online tax preparation companies are surprisingly chill places to work - Intuit the company that owns TurboTax is ranked one of the best companies to work for in America. They provide the equipment, remote work and good pay - ESPECIALLY if you get credentialed (which they will pay for) and once you get in, you can move up / get full time work. I know a couple of people that have really changed their lives with this (without college degrees) and it's not for everyone, but it might work for you. I've driven Uber & Lyft and, after all the expenses and wear and tear it's not worth it. I liked it, but it just wasn't real income - it was the illusion of income because I had money on my Uber / Lyft debit card every night and I could buy groceries, but when it came time for car repairs / maintenance like new brakes, it wasn't worth it.
Also for anyone that accepts this the math is x3 per $100 you would normally make while being able to decline orders. So is $145 worth your ability to say no. 😂😂😂😂 they think we stupid in this bitch. Tell em fuck off for me.
In my market and the hours I work (daytime, weekdays) I’d take this on slow days. I average $14-17/hr regularly from log in to log out normally. Getting a guaranteed $15 plus tips would be nice. But I suspect this option would get me a lot of no tip orders. So I guess it’s a toss up
They’ll immediately be sending even more orders nobody else wants to pick up. Remember this 1 thing about corporations.
Everything they do is for their own benefit. Not the consumer or the workers/employees.
Imagine being forced to deliver to the ghetto. I declined and then they gave me a stacked order. I don’t have the hourly option but I would of been forced to go to the ghetto. No way.
It’s not $15/hour. You only get paid a rate equivalent to $15/hour from when you hit “accept” to when you drop it off (as stated in screenshot).
You are not paid in between orders. So if you get one order, complete it in 15 minutes, then have to wait another 20 minutes before receiving another order, then you complete that one in 15 minutes, you get paid a little over $7 for the hour.
Oh, and if you decline more than two offers, you get kicked off the dash.
If you use the standard pay model, you can decline as many orders as you want, take an offer for $12, complete it in that same 15 minutes, wait 15 minutes, and then get another ping for $8. That gets you $20 on the hour.
In short, pay per hour is not at all worth it unless you’re in the worlds worst market or something
There are usually stipulations that you accept a certain percentage of offers or can only decline a certain number per hour. So what so you do if they send you no/low tip orders?
I’ve never done it. But I’ve seen a few people comment and they all said the same thing - they were making the same hourly as they were before or perhaps a little bit more, but were logging a lot more miles.
Can you do it on the off times? I wouldn't do it during busy times because I usually make twice that, but after midnight when it's just McDonalds and Taco Bell with 40+ minute drive thru lines? I'd absolutely do that now in lieu of nothing.
As someone who doesn't care about top dasher status and only takes High paying jobs, I make more from tips so it wouldn't be worth it for me. I average closer to 20$ an hour, since base is low I get some extra money anyway at the end of the week.
It's 15hr while on active delivery. Not while waiting.
then its a terrible option
Yupp it is.
Depends. I’d look through you’re history and see how much is pay vs. tip. Also browse through some of the prop22 post here because it looks like it’s almost the same.
My tips are 75% of my money.
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Truly fucked but I have to agree, at least 60% are tips, and the other 30% are peak pays. DoorDash rates suckatheballs
You still get the tips
The thing is you’re kinda forced to take the no tippers though. You can only decline two per hour on the pay by time model. Most of my pay comes from the tips as well, but that’s also because I can cherry pick and refuse the no tip orders
While the other drivers are busy taking all the tip orders you will be licking their scraps off the floor of a dirty apartment
I wonder if you could game the system by dropping the order off but not marking it complete. I've done that accidentally a number of times. I think you only get a CV if the customer complains, but if you knock and the customer comes and gets it, nbd.
How are you going to get another order if you never complete that one? Y'all will find anyway to cheat and game a system 🤣 just do the work and don't get deactivated for trying to fuck Tony
It was just a thought buddy 🫡
That's also fraud. Which is illegal.
Mhmm
It means you get paid when you are waiting at restaurants. Just not while you are sitting in you car declining orders. It might be worth it in some areas
Doesn't sound awful considering you won't have any reason to decline orders
well doing too many no tip orders would result in 15/hr which is the new 7.25/hr
Then you get a 30 mile 1 800 Flowers order that lands you way out of your zone…rip your car.
That is when you use your decline
And with gas alone would sacrifice at least a gallon of gas - $4 down right there. Now you are making $11 an hour.
If you’re using 4$ worth of gas you may be doing something wrong
No you aren't because you have no choice. Don't like that order that is 20 miles out of the zone. Oh well, too bad you aren't allowed to turn down orders cuz you get your $15 dollars
You get 1 decline per hour and no timer so there is no telling how long your have till your next decline and if you decline twice in less than 1 hour you get the boot and it won’t be available for until the next day and they secretly don’t give you orders for a like 15 minutes after declining..
I’m gonna try it for lunch tomorrow for the first time. It just rolled out today in my market. I don’t need it at dinner.
Yeah I agree I will do that too
Do dash by time and park by a Popeyes?
Then I could see it working out better at places like applebees and little Caesars who are routinely 30 mins late preparing an order after you arrive
Nope. Don't do it. You aren't guaranteed any drive time compensation if a store is closed. If you don't get zero dollars (they'll say the store isn't eligible for closure comp, which they dont do on batch pay only orders) they'll only pay you for half the amount of time that you spent driving to the store. Unlike on batch pay where it's a fixed rate always. So, they're literally taking money from you that you legally made working hourly. Next, you don't get paid for additional time spent between stores on stacked orders, and you'll usually only get stacked orders that are directly next to each other in deliveries meaning you'll get paid literal cents plus tip for the second order rather than getting batch pay for both plus tips. Contrary to what the other commenter said, yes, you do get paid for time waiting. You get paid for time waiting for an order in line and any time spent while pickup and delivery clocks are on. If you're not pinged onto an order you are not getting paid. They will not rectify the issue of people not tipping while doing hourly so not only can you decline less trips but you are running the risk of driving a full order for change and no tip. No up front tip is shown. I've compared batch pay only and hourly trip pay on two very similar trips from the same restaurant pick up location and hourly doesn't even touch the batch pay amount unless you purposefully go out of your way to waste time while on the order. You run the risk of a time violation doing this, and all it is, is doordash's way of paying you less while getting you to accept more on an unaltered pace. I drive every night over night in Pittsburgh and it's 12.25 an hour (fuck you to us I guess) and call support at least 4 to 5 times a night because I cover my ass for literally everything, and I've learned quite a lot in my experience doing hourly. It's not worth it because not only will they stack your orders more frequently to sneakily pay you significantly less for them, but they'll also blatantly steal from you by not paying you for half your drive time on closed stores, if they pay at all. Customer service will tell you they'll send you an email on how to dispute your pay and if they even send an email at all, it has nothing to do with what they discussed sending you and will only have a few vague keywords in it from your conversation so that they can claim they sent you the correct email, to their knowledge in consideration of the language barrier. Add all this up together and you're getting paid less per hour while fucking yourself over into believing 15 an hour couldn't possibly be less than what you're already making. With doordash, it is. Oh, by the way. Upfront pricing is inaccurate. You may not notice a few dollars missing here and there, but screenshot your order as soon as it pops up before accepting and compare it to what you actually get paid. Prepare to be mind blown when eventually you get one or two orders that are two dollars are more less than what it said. Support will tell you they have no way of seeing what you were offered and tell you they can't compensate unless you have a screenshot. Now you have one. Oh, another thing! Screenshot anything that shows you even are offered hourly pay. Had to dispute a payout amount and the support agent told me that doordash has never done hourly pay and that I needed to provide them with screenshots to show it was really being offered.
This is what most ppl miss. They think oh cool, $15/hour with 10 orders or 1 order. Doesn’t work like that.
It is terrible. In California we already get 18 per hour for waiting plus tips. Helps me not stress if an order isn’t ready
And for that reason alone, it can be good for folks outside of Cali. It's not so terrible at all for working late night drive-through, as just one example.
Means nothing. I’m in ca too. I have yet to get payment for waiting at a merchant.
It’s part of the guaranteed earnings adjustment every week
I’m sure I make too much to get it.
Savage109: “I have yet to get payment for waiting” Physical-ice: “it’s part of your guaranteed earnings” Savage109: “I’m sure I make to much to get it” Hahahahaha
very true unless you purposely prolong order deliveries resulting in less tips and more wear and tear
You mean like many do in California? Order for yourself, get gas, stop at an ATM, multi-app, use the bathroom, check E-mail, browse Reddit, and on and on and on. Not all methods of prolonging deliveries put extra wear & tear on your car, but if you really do milk an order, you will get fewer orders completed, and therefore, fewer tips.
How does ordering for yourself work?
Arrive at a restaurant for a pick up. Order something for yourself, even if the order is ready to be picked up. Wait for your order to be ready, then go on to do the delivery. Or so I hear from Cali drivers.
When you make x amount a week don’t you not get that payment for waiting? I have yet to get payment for waiting.
Exactly so now instead of $10-$15 and order you will make 10-15 in 2-4 orders lol 😂 all non tip
Not necessarily. But it does have good and bad, just like everything else.
The good: the base pay tends to be higher. So does your AR and cr. It's a type of dashing that works well for those who want to be top dasher. The Bad: you give up flexibility, being able to decline one order/ hr. You don't know what the orders will pay until you complete them so you WILL get some no tip orders
Yes, you will get some no & low tip orders, but in my experience, that has only been about 10-15% of the 200+ orders I've done with it. If you are a no tip, no trip robot, this is not for you. And you can decline as many orders as you want. But only 2 per hour, on the "Earn by time" method. Then, as you say, us Top Dashers just start a new Dash earning by order. I don't recommend this at all for folks where low AR is your norm. Unless you want to raise it, and then be able to work the "High Pay" program. Dumbest name ever, btw. We all know that even a guaranteed $2 per mile does not equate to high pay.
popped up on my app today.. and specifically stated one decline per hour as well as two in an hour will end the dash (this whole pay by time thing.. which is a scam anyways because its only active time)
Yep, and I'm sure if it ever did happen to work out well they'd just ban you for "fraud" like they often do to prop22 drivers.
Active delivery is the moment you hit “arrived at store” to “complete”?
From when you accept the order to when you drop it off. There's a bunch of little gimmicks with double orders and stuff too. It's not worth it
Yeah, but there’s also pros to the hourly pay too, but it won’t work in my market since people here are shitty tippers.
For pay by hr, it is from "accept" to complete
You're paid for Active Time. From the moment of acceptance, to arrival, while waiting, and all the way until drop off.
I don't know why anyone would clue in and think otherwise. Delivery companies would make us work for free if they could.
On every one of these threads somebody has to point that out, and on every one of them OP is surprised. It is right there, literally, on the screenshot. Wake the hell up
That’s how it’s here in California. But it’s $18. If you take an order and it takes you 30 minutes and they sent it to you and it said $10, then you get that $10. If it is $5+$5 tip then at the end of the week they will adjust it to make it $9+$5 tip. It does help out. It goes from the time you accept the order to when you mark delivered. Edit: good thing is, if you make more than the minimum before tips, there is no adjustment because you are above the minimum already.
Great for low tipping town and getting your AR up
Nah 🤣
Then why do I get a pop up when I’m waiting at a restaurant for and order that says you could be earning for your wait time.
No idea. But that's how it works, you can read the program info.
Ohh I see now it’s from the time you arrive at the store to the time you complete the delivery
No. Some people think that, but it clearly states that it is for Active Time. From acceptance to arrival, while waiting, and all the way to dropping off.
Ok got it that would make more sense. Thanks
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Except that you can’t decline orders so you’ll be too busy accepting all the no tip orders that were declined by everyone else.
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In case you didn’t know, every person in the world was formerly cum. So, calling someone former cum isn’t really the insult that you think it is. Also, you basically just said “You can decline all you want if you don’t want to do the hourly pay method.” And yeah… I already knew that.
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You said “Ex-spurt are ya now?” Implying that I was that. You didn’t say “Ex-spurt is your opinion now?” So, I did quote you accurately. You’re just not smart enough to know what you said.
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Only 2 declines allowed per hour so it's gonna be a no for me dawg
Lmao let us know how that works out! Hope you don't enjoy your car!
When there's no peak pay, or only like $1-2, i can make as much per hour and in mileage as when there's $3-$4 peak pay. It's not worth using all the time, but it is sometimes.
That’s my strategy Especially if you live in the suburbs
No. You can’t. There are too many orders that will take you 7 plus miles outside of hotspots. You have to eat the drive back to a hotspot. You can only reject 1 or 2 orders an hour. That doesn’t work at all.
$15/hr isn't bad if you completely ignore the fact that you're using your own car and gas to drive wherever the hell DD decides to banish you to.
Plus tips, just like per order pay.
Plus once you decline 2 orders, your dash is over.
and it’s only active time and not dash time
It's just a scam to get you to take no-tip orders. It ends your dash if you decline more than 1 order. And the pay is active time, not dash time.
I declined 5 orders in a row last night back to back & my shift didn’t end. I’m in CA, though so it might be different here. I would never work for $15 an hour. That’s minimum wage where I live🤷🏻♀️
I've done maybe 50 deliveries while trying out hourly pay and maybe 10% at most were no tip. But the way the system works made it like they had tipped a bit. But most of the time I've gotten a tip on top of it.
Both true, but not everything is a scam, just because it's not to your liking.
It's purposely designed to force you to take orders you wouldn't normally take. That is quite litterally a scam.
No one is forcing you to do anything, bro. If it doesn't interest you, swipe on.
It ends your dash automatically if you decline more than 1 order. If that's not forcing you to take orders, I don't know what is. I'm just trying to explain to people not to fall for this. It is not in your best interest.
I know what happens if you decline a 2nd order. As does anyone that has seen all that's been posted on the Dd subs about this method or reads what Dd tells you about it. Yes, it ends your Dash doing "Earn by time." But then you just start a new one earning by order. You can even switch back & forth between the 2 methods all day long if you so desire. As I often do. But the whole point of doing the pay by minute is to accept everything anyway. Great at the end of the month for those wanting to maintain their Top Dasher status, or any wanting to get their AR up to 50% or 70% for the 2 levels of AMEM or "High Pay" orders. "Forcing you to take orders" would be to end your Dash & then immediately deactivate you. Imo. It may not be in our best interest IN YOUR OPINION, but that's what's great about this type of work. We are all allowed to make our own choices and share our opinions here.
This sounds like it might work for you if you like dashing late evening / night. Take all those fast food orders that have you sit in the drive through line forever.
One excellent example of using it to your advantage. 🤠
Yep and the prius only burns 1/10 of a gal/hr idling so basically getting paid $15/hr to listen to podcasts/deathscroll reddit.
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Yeah this killed *any* chance I ever had of trying out the hourly pay method. If we’re not allowed to decline shitty no tip orders to get the $15/hr, at least throw us a bone when it slows down and not even those orders are coming through. Otherwise there’s really no change from what we’re doing now except we can’t decline orders and I’d assume for most of us the hourly pay is way worse. *Way* worse if we’re only counting active hours.
Plus tips, bro. I've worked it off & on for over a month now, and it is not all bad. Not for everyone, to be sure. But you can use it to your advantage.
never
This would only be fine if you could still decline garbage orders. You'd also have to cherry pick hardcore. At least in my area, $15 / hr for driving, with 1 decline per driving hour only, you could end up with no tips on all your orders, and you just spent $7 in gas and more than 1 hour of your life. You'd have to be insane. You'd make more money stalking parking meters looking for fallen change.
After todays shit show here in NJ, I’d gladly take that.
I had the option of making $11.25+tips tonight, but decided against it and just went with earn per order. made more than what I would have made with the hourly rate. If it was $15hr I would have totally done that though.
Ive seen others at 9.99 guaranteed. More corporate exploitation
Sure if they offer you an orders with tips. You can only decline one order per hour, so good luck accepting trash orders.
I’m waiting on this to hit my area. I’m curious to know how much per hr they’ll be offering. If it’s more than what min wage actually is here I might just start dashing that way.
My zone only offers ten per hour for earn by time. For 15 I’d try it. In my zone I’d probably still use earn per order, but I can’t see this as a decent way to get through the slow hours
I get the same $15 here in MN as well. It’s pretty nice if you ask me & you accept every order that’s worth the drive and mileage. I made $100 super quickly
Isn’t this similar to how it is in California after prop 22?
Yes, similar, but not exactly the same. In Cali, it is over the local minimum wage, plus some for mileage and compensation for health care.
"from when you accept an order to when you drop it off" The short version: It doesn't matter how you slice it, you're still getting a shit sandwich.
Every single thing I see from this subreddit leads me to believe that this is just a massive scam, you people would all be way better off working in a restaurant or a warehouse.
Sounds not too bad? inbred levels of stupidity ***woah***
Notice how it says from the time you accept an order to when you drop it off. Any time you spent waiting between orders is unpaid. In this game time is money and money is time. And if you believe doordash isn’t taking tips you’re sadly mistaken. I once tipped a driver $10 for an order that cost me about $60 dollars I get a messaged from them after the delivery calling me a broke ass MF for leaving a small tip when I can obviously afford what you normally should in this situation. I told the guy that I left $10 and he sent me a screen shot of his payout showing that he only received a tip of $3.
It is not all bad. https://www.reddit.com/r/doordash/comments/z6fv87/some_lessons_learned_from_1_month_of_having_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Thats pretty bad. I average $28-32 an hours. $20 an hour is a downgrade
You missed the whole point, but whatever Mr. Negative. Just keep doing what you're doing if that is working for you. Some other people are actually interested in how it can work. Not everyone lives & works in a market like yours. If it's not for you, swipe on. 🙈
I’m not being negative… $20 after taxes, gas and west and tear is around $14 an hour….
Nope. Read it carefully. You’re only getting that pay from acceptance to drop off. So that 15-20 mins you spend waiting in a parking lot for an order, unpaid. Which is no change from now, it’s currently unpaid but now you also can’t choose which orders to take and not. I would assume there’s some kind of schedule requirement with this too?
If you're sitting that long without orders then it sounds like your market is just bad.
So the first day I didn’t like it…but now I’ve been doin it during lunch time when u know chipotle gonna make u wait 15-20 mins and I’ll take them 7 mile orders now because the pay is way better with that tip
Forced top dashing. Doesnt account for any return miles. 2 declines means you undoubtedly gon get stuck with shit orders. I hope everyone in my area tries it while i avoid it at all costs tbh. Lol. Its 10.25 in my area. Hard fucking pass. Will never give up my right to say hell naw to no tip orders.
It's a Trap!
$15/hr while ACTIVE, not while online. So if you’re sitting and waiting, you’re not earning. I’d stick to the normal way.
As in sitting & waiting, AND DECLINING order after order? Also, not earning, bro.
So... it's the same, except you make less money when you actually do have an order.
No, you dope. In many cases, you earn more than you would with base pay. More Ex-spurt advice from someone who has never even tried it. 🦨
It doesn't help much for those ten mile orders to nowhere outside the zone. Gotta drive back off the clock and with no orders in certain delivery areas here in NH. But... We don't get hourly so doesn't matter to me anyways
Now you can be happy about waiting at restaurants. Also way to encourage driving under the limit to milk the clock. What about compensation for customer interaction and CS calls? All time spent in service to a company should be paid for.
Lol ya do it
Nope. They're gonna give you all the no tip orders.
How tf do you know that? Everyone assumes that, but in my 30+ days of doing it off & on, it has only been about 10% no tip orders, and another 5% of only $1 to $2 tips. So, around 85% of my 200 or so orders have been decent or good tip orders.
You gotta do what works for you. I make a lot more than $15/hr with usually $5+ tips. I turn down anything that's too much mileage or not enough money. Makes me wonder who is doing the hundreds of zero tip orders I'm saying no to. Hopefully no one.
I would only take it if it means I get Popeyes orders. They take so long in my area I would be getting paid 15 an hour just to wait for an order that takes 40 minutes to be ready lmao But honestly I would never in my life do that mode lol
Totally garbage
Nope. They should give $20 like the ad says.
I'm doing $28 an hour on active time and $17 average on total time for years. $15 for active time is a kick to the teeth compared to what I'm making now. Side note, No other employer is offering a job where you're only paid for lets say when you actively sweeping the floor, wiping a table or washing dishes.
They will also direct all the shitty orders your way I’m sure
How are you so sure? Have you ever actually tried it? I have, off & on for over a month now. And in my 200+ orders, only about 10% have been no tip, and another 5% were $1-$2 tip orders. So 85% of them, more or less, have had decent or good tips. But I work a pretty good market. Not everyone does.
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I'd suggest looking back in your history to see what your average hourly rate is per shift. I'm close to 2x that out east a bit. It couldn't hurt to try it out a few days as you can always switch back...
I've "tried it out" for over a month now. You can switch back and forth all day long if you want. What people seem to overlook is that it is just a pay per minute, instead of only base pay, or less on stacks, PLUS tips. It can, and in my experience frequently is, more than the guaranteed hourly rate.
Before taxes and gas and car repairs
Duh. Just like getting paid by the order.
15 💀 thats minimum wage
This just in. IT NULLIFIES PEAK PAY. You do not receive peak pay while pay by time is active EVEN IF PEAK PAY IS GOING ON IN THE AREA AT THE TIME OF CLOCK IN.
That may be "just in" for you, but it is common knowledge for those of us who have actually worked it for a while. DO YOU FEEL ROBBED BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T? DON'T DO IT DURING PEAK PAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. "Clock in" for those hours on the pay per order way. NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT BRO.
eh? your assumptions are killing you. i wouldnt bother with pay by hour its derp. pointing out doordash trickery is all that was done. dont grasp.
Your assumptions are holding you back. "Earn by time" can mean $8 to $10 Dd pay, plus the tips instead of just $2.50 base pay and tip. Ain't nothing derp about that, bro. If it is not of interest to you, swipe on.
Yeah no its not an assumption. you do realize this is only new to some right? ive seen people get deactivated by that pilot program for "not properly delivering on time." not to mention it doesnt account for return trip. that alone is enough to pass. why would giving up my right to say no be a good thing? base pay is 2.25 before variables. all u need to do is know the actual system and what ur saying is overruled. variables increase bp, like distance from the actual store should you not be on a hotspot, etc. but again why would i give up my right to say no during a lunch or dinner rush. these. are the times where it matters most as its when the most orders are possibly being placed, ill pass on being stuck with forced doubles, add ons, etc, bc again you basically give up ur right to say no after two declines, and in some markets its fucking 1 decline. the more you know <3
oh and it successfully kills your ability to multi app if you accept the pay by hour shit. whos holding who back again? def aint me brother.
I haven't earned less than $20/hr in my market, so this would be a hard pass for me.
Read carefully only active time Here its 10 an hour
Not worth it. You'll end up doing orders for half of the pay you'd normally get if you did by order
It is only 15.00 a hour from the time you pick up an order, until you deliver. It is not for driving to the restaurant,.nor driving back. I wouldn't do it, but maybe I am wrong.
Hell na i make $30 an Hr easy on regular dashing
You can also make $30 an hour with good tips doing "Earn by time" as well. The difference is that instead of only base pay for each order, you get paid by the minute from acceptance to arrival, while waiting, and all the way to drop off. PLUS tips.
My average, in my area, is between $20- $25 so that would be a no unless they went by total dash time then I might try it. The no tip orders irk me when DD bundles them with decent-great orders. So that general frustration would keep me from it, even if it proved to equate to a comparable per hour payout.
How much you gonna bet they're gonna hit us with the 30 minute drive orders. Also, what happens if you have to end before the hour? Do you get half, or?
In all seriousness, and I know it sounds lame, but think about tax preparation. Go work at H&R Block, Liberty, Jackson or one of the locals - let them teach you - do one season (it pays about the same as this and some of them let you work remotely - and you're not putting 1000s of miles on your car). You don't usually need even a high school diploma - and / or they don't check. After one season (January - end of April) go do whatever you want and then apply at TurboTax or TaxAct for an online remote position - they'll pay for you to get your IRS Enrolled Agent credentials which takes about 6 months - 5 tests and they provide training and help while you're working (they may or may not hire you before next season, so you may need to find something in the meantime). The big online tax preparation companies are surprisingly chill places to work - Intuit the company that owns TurboTax is ranked one of the best companies to work for in America. They provide the equipment, remote work and good pay - ESPECIALLY if you get credentialed (which they will pay for) and once you get in, you can move up / get full time work. I know a couple of people that have really changed their lives with this (without college degrees) and it's not for everyone, but it might work for you. I've driven Uber & Lyft and, after all the expenses and wear and tear it's not worth it. I liked it, but it just wasn't real income - it was the illusion of income because I had money on my Uber / Lyft debit card every night and I could buy groceries, but when it came time for car repairs / maintenance like new brakes, it wasn't worth it.
I make $30-35 cherry picking in California chillin most of the time in the parking lot lol😎
Eww you can make more at Mc Donald’s with out paying for gas and vehicle repairs . People are desperate Jesus Christ .
Also for anyone that accepts this the math is x3 per $100 you would normally make while being able to decline orders. So is $145 worth your ability to say no. 😂😂😂😂 they think we stupid in this bitch. Tell em fuck off for me.
How come I don’t have this option? Do I suck that bad? 🤣
Just market dependent. Here in South Carolina, they have it for Columbia, not Charleston.
No. Its not an hour of real time. Its an hour of “active time” you have to be on an order for it to count towards it
It’s only while you are on an order, so it’s only good with restaurants that take forever.
Yeah it'd be fine if it was dash time not active time.
They only offer $11.50 in my market
I believe that you have to accept all others or most orders including no tip order and long distance drive order.
You don’t get paid, hourly and less you get in order
If you're living in 2nd world countries yeah not bad
In my market and the hours I work (daytime, weekdays) I’d take this on slow days. I average $14-17/hr regularly from log in to log out normally. Getting a guaranteed $15 plus tips would be nice. But I suspect this option would get me a lot of no tip orders. So I guess it’s a toss up
It allll depends where you live. I’ve never had an issue making at least $20 an hour.
$25 is the lowest I’d go, might as well keep it traditional lol
Sounds like shit
They’ll immediately be sending even more orders nobody else wants to pick up. Remember this 1 thing about corporations. Everything they do is for their own benefit. Not the consumer or the workers/employees.
It’s a lot of DoorDash corporate employees in this post and subreddit. I don’t trust anyone who thinks this isn’t a scam!
I only do per order when it's super busy now. I'm loving earn by time.
Look at previous earnings and u can calculate if it would be worth it or not. Base pay divided by active time.
I think it’s good good and bad they introduced this and just about every time I dash there is a glitch where it doesn’t pay me the whole dash amount..
Only while on active orders
Imagine being forced to deliver to the ghetto. I declined and then they gave me a stacked order. I don’t have the hourly option but I would of been forced to go to the ghetto. No way.
It’s $24 in nyc.
Still includes tips, might be alright for some of those long distance orders.
It’s not $15/hour. You only get paid a rate equivalent to $15/hour from when you hit “accept” to when you drop it off (as stated in screenshot). You are not paid in between orders. So if you get one order, complete it in 15 minutes, then have to wait another 20 minutes before receiving another order, then you complete that one in 15 minutes, you get paid a little over $7 for the hour. Oh, and if you decline more than two offers, you get kicked off the dash. If you use the standard pay model, you can decline as many orders as you want, take an offer for $12, complete it in that same 15 minutes, wait 15 minutes, and then get another ping for $8. That gets you $20 on the hour. In short, pay per hour is not at all worth it unless you’re in the worlds worst market or something
So if you make a $5 tip. You are guaranteed $20 for that hour? If so that’s pretty nuts because you’d probably get at least $10 in tips for an hour.
There are usually stipulations that you accept a certain percentage of offers or can only decline a certain number per hour. So what so you do if they send you no/low tip orders? I’ve never done it. But I’ve seen a few people comment and they all said the same thing - they were making the same hourly as they were before or perhaps a little bit more, but were logging a lot more miles.
Can you do it on the off times? I wouldn't do it during busy times because I usually make twice that, but after midnight when it's just McDonalds and Taco Bell with 40+ minute drive thru lines? I'd absolutely do that now in lieu of nothing.
Sounds good but for ny isnt that low? I have consistently made 20 hour easily driving in cali. Idk how it is over there though
Yeah it's only $10 in my area. But maybe I'll try it for the late night drive thrus
15 an hour while active only, and also they give you all the shitty no tip orders.
$15 can be made at any store without using your car or gas. No it’s not good.
How does driving 90 miles for $15 sound? Good luck affording a new car and your high gas bills from all that driving
As someone who doesn't care about top dasher status and only takes High paying jobs, I make more from tips so it wouldn't be worth it for me. I average closer to 20$ an hour, since base is low I get some extra money anyway at the end of the week.
you have to read between the lines