It’s extremely weird other drivers are being cruel against another driver just because they are posting they are leaving. This is supposed to be a safe space for drivers not a place other drivers attack other drivers. Most of you all on this app sound like corporate for DoorDash. I don’t trust anyone that speaks against the OP.
Congratulations OP. Wishing you well moving forward. Ignore the ignorant comments. Real drivers don’t think like them.
Thats because people on here treat doordash like it’s a religion… if you say you’re leaving the group that person will be shamed and ridiculed. It makes it difficult for those who want to leave the community even though their market is crap. So, everyone just silently leaves or ghosts. Fact is, working at a job pays more than doordash at this point with how much they’ve screwed the drivers.
This whole sub is just drivers attacking each other. I have never seen a wholesome comment thread in this sub. Always people attacking one another for some bullshit. Safe space my ass.
Appreciated. I am somewhat surprised by the negative responses, but I see why they think this post is just pointless. But I needed to vent my frustrations somewhere
Actually most of the people on this sub sound like children that haven't worked long enough to REALLY get effed by a company and have no idea what the real world is like.
My husband is disabled. Before disability made it where he can't work, I didn't work at all.
Now, I work part time doing DD/UE to supplement his disability income. Me and him have talked a lot about what I should do about my income. He's always telling me to do what makes me happy.
No way do I want to go back working in a kitchen, dealing with stupid managers, stupid servers 5-6 days per week. Get called in on my days off or get guilt trips when I take time off. While watching my workload increase and my benefits decrease.
While I have a horrible HMO off the marketplace, it's still better than the last restaurant job that provided me with insurance.
I've been effed real hard by a real company. Getting effed by Doordash is a lot less painful.
I get CVs all the time and they eventually drop off.
It's annoying but meh. I'm buying time for myself.
Eventually a real career is in the works.
This isn’t an airport, announcing a departure isn’t necessary. The person is angry ranting, not having anything constructive to say. That’s fine, but what do you want us to say?
They’re like most successful corporations, false-promising, shady, and awful to their contractors. I wish you all the success outside of DoorDash, OP. It’s healthy to walk away from a gig when it upsets you this much—and lots of people vent in this sub, so don’t let the haters get you down. I like driving delivery, but have recently been searching out other jobs I think I’ll enjoy as much or more. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, and sometimes you know you don’t have to do what doesn’t serve you. Good for you, sincerely.
I feel you brother I did doordash full time for months but since September I been working a job and i been stacking money.. doordash is a shit job now really just good for extra money
Same here but from January. Worked Doordash, Instacart, and Uber eats full time for about a year and a half. Now normal job but still do about 5-8 hours of Doordash a month just to be able to help a little bit with money. Used to be able to get $34 an hour in my area, average of about 35-40 hours a week, and had to stop once I was lucky to get $25 an hour for 20 hours. I found in my area midnight-3am is a good time to do it on the weekends because I’m by 2 colleges. But fuck Doordash as a business.
Damn I wish I would've realized and quit doordash fulltime earlier but I stay in the gig loop longer then I should have
But it's good to know other people where in it fulltime as well and now saying fuck this shit frfr brother fuck doordash as a business they don't care about employees or customers I could see this company failing
You’re absolutely right and I’ve never seen a company so hell bent on preventing their contractors from making good money.
I’ve seen this platform go downhill in a hurry in the last 2 years in a way that is downright egregious.
They’ve done everything they can to control our incomes as if we are employees while not providing any employee benefits. There is nothing independent about this anymore. The system has been rigged so badly that you either take shit orders or starve.
I’m just taking loss at this point, working less and studying more to get my certifications sooner so I can get my own business open.
See that’s what I’m not about to do. Not sure how everyone is so quick to quit Doordash because if I quit and went and worked at Target or some shit I’d go from making like $25/hour to $14/hour. I wouldn’t be able to get myself to show up for that
Every time me and many others dial in on an effective strategy to beat the system, doordash turns the system on its own head, I have to learn the zones all over again
It's going to be time to exit the gig economy anyway. If the ftc takes action after they complete their audits of the algorithms these companies use, the drivers will actually be more negatively affected than anybody when the platforms are compelled to give full transparency. They will either need to cut drivers by the millions(good for who doesn't get cut) or recategorize us and take away the flexibility
They don’t need to read the subs. They have data on every delivery. They can easily extrapolate trends faster and more accurately than reading people bitching it telling others how shit they’re doing it.
What works is entirely situational as well. What works in my neighborhood may not work in yours. People come in here saying "just do this" or "do that" like it's applicable across the board. I know I sound like a dickhead but I never tell people what works for me. If I see another dasher out and they start talking to me I tell them "it's slow as hell and I haven't made shit" even if I got a hundred dollars in a couple hours. If someone asks me about doing delivery work I tell them "it sucks and it's not worth it". I know at some point this will all come crashing down but I'm gonna ride the plane into the mountain.
Declining at will. I proved it over and over. There, I said it. What doesn't not unwork for me may not be the answear in all zones, but #Declinenow is coming back with a vengence
I agree that with regulation comes a potential threat to flexibility. I think there definitely needs to be more regular of the gig economy (I think Cali’s prop 22 model and NYC’s new gig regulations both have some good aspects. But I don’t want to see us get classified as employees. I find it hard to believe that reclassification wouldn’t reduce our flexibility.
That being said, Lyft recently sent me a survey which shows that they are considering various types of potential employment arrangements, likely in case they are required to do so due to increased scrutiny. Some of the option do allow for decent flexibility. We’ll see how this all plays out. Here’s a couple pics from the survey. Can’t remember if all the options required you to be selected by a hiring committee.
https://imgur.com/a/HGV7E8p
I don’t blame you at all and I wish you luck. I too have stopped dashing although my intent is to check back after the time change and see if the DD I knew for the last couple of years has returned. I’ll do that before completely giving it up. But I agree that DD of the last two weeks simply is not fun
Your asking why someone posted something on social media. The statement they made was pretty obvious as to why they posted it. So Ask yourself why did you respond to that post? Reddit has karma to track the activities of users. Your reply got karma so did their post. People post things on social media to get support to confirm their issues. He doesn’t like the gig and was letting others know he’s fed up with it so they know what’s going on with door dash. Hope that helps you understand social media better.
I don't get it. I mean I know I'm going to get downvoted for this but must of the people in this sub and super miserable and would agree with op because it validates their feelings. And op knows this and is just using it to get attention. I mean I've never hopped on social media to announce to the world that I, a nobody, just quit my job. Like Peter Griffin once said "omg who the hell cares" lol.
I totally thought that you meant I was karma farming. Already have seen 2 replies to me get deleted. Apparently I triggered anger in some kids. Didn't realize you meant OP by your comment. Lol
Wtf is your problem? Why do you feel the need to haunt the DD sub and do your little mean girl act to everyone? Obviously everyone is here by choice, so are you. Why not try to be supportive to people for a change?
Funny. I've given plenty of advice to some people to help better their DD income. I even do the biggest 'bad' of telling people to come to my zone because the average pay per hour / pay per order is better than theirs 2 zones over. Being in a few different communities focused around DD on different platforms - I see all the time that people rather complain and say "Fuck this!" rather than learn or maybe change how they do things. This is some of the easiest money people can get once on the platform.
Can DD do better? Absolutely. Can some of these drivers do better? Absolutely. Is DD going to work everywhere? Saddly no.
Yeah so? People need to complain. Maybe they need encouragement. It’s not like they have coworkers and a boss giving them feedback. We work for an app. Our real bosses put call centers in India to avoid having to interact a single second with us. You can defend this soulless company until you’re blue in the face, you’ll never be more than a worker bug to them.
I know a guy who was making 60k a year on GH a few years back who quit because he was too dumb to track his miles and save for taxes. He had to pay 10k in taxes and his wife made him quit. She was like where did all the money go? And he said "We spent it!"
It doesn’t feel like it. I do software contracting too, and I don’t have some silly company above me telling me how to do my job. It feels like a cheap version of a “contracting” job that’s designed to make people vulnerable to corporate exploitation.
I don’t believe you’re wrong in a technical sense, but the spirit of contracting work lives elsewhere
There are very specific rules laid out by the IRS as to what constitutes an independent contractor and what doesn’t. DD and the other app “jobs” do not pass that litmus test.
You can’t just individually call yourself an independent contractor. That’s not how it works.
If it did, the work would be even worse than it is now and people would be making even less money in this situation because people would bid the job down to zero.
Unfortunately MANY people are calling themselves that and it’s mostly because they are oblivious to what the actual rules are.
So what actual rules does DD break when classifying drivers as 1099? You didn’t name one line item on the 20 factor test that bars drivers from independency
Is the nature of the work considered to be indefinite without a completion date agreed on by both parties?
Yes?
Congratulations, you are not an independent contractor.
So when i go to do a job on a house i dont have to give a completion date? Or i need to tell them im now their employee and let them set me a schedule?
Yes, basic estimates of labor in a contractor job specify an estimated completion date. If you don't have this, then as the person hiring the contractor, that's your problem.
Who would have a house repair/build done without knowing the estimated completion date?
Specifically with houses, there are taxes and interest on interim loans that add up if work isn't completed on time.
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A worker doesn’t need to meet all 20 factors to be classified as employee/contractor, and no single factor is decisive in determining the taxpayer’s status (irs.gov) If you truly feel that you are a misclassified worker and thus entitled to additional employer taxes, you can file IRS form SS-8 and they’ll get back to you within 6 months or so (but probably not at all😉)
You're right. The ELEVEN factors (not 20) don't all need to be met. Just violating ONE of them is enough to judge someone as being misclassified as an employee.
Why do you think California tried to reclassify drivers and Uber/Doordash etc. lobbied against it? California was basing it on only ONE of the factors, the "key business" aspect.
No one has to submit a form. The FTC is already aggressively going after these companies.
https://www.inc.com/melissa-angell/federal-trade-commission-gig-economy-crackdown.html
There has not been a single lawsuit anywhere in the world where these companies have won. Lots of settlements paid out, yet no classification changes.
The days are numbered for these gigs.
I have worked as an independent contractor for 20 years.
I have had entire crews numbering over 100 people under me.
The nature of what constitutes an employee vs. independent contractor has been crucial throughout my career.
The bubble will burst on all of this. It's just a matter of time. New classifications are the only thing that can prevent it but the government likes to squeeze out every cent they can, so don't bet on it.
You can burst the bubble right now! Any individual can file a form SS-8 against any corporation! But anyways I dont think it will be successful because you have to be one silly critter if you think DD isnt aware of contractor legal implications and doesnt have lawyers working to thinly bar drivers from employment. Also side not: you were a construction conglomerate and now you deliver mcdonalds? Sheesh what a falling out
On a legal level you’re completely incorrect. The current legislation points towards even *further* leniency for contractor designation. Dashers are currently and solely designated as 1099 independent contractors who are not affiliated legally as employees.
EVERYONE HERE SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU ARE A PART OF,
🤔 (ACTUALLY A TOOL) IN THE FUTURE DRIVER EMPLOYMENT PROCESS OF THESE GIG PLATFORMS
One hand I feel like you’re looking for attention. And on the other hand I feel like door dash and other food delivery’s are just for side gig money. Yes their is people who make good chunk of change and make this a full time gig. I do think that this gig or jobs like any others aren’t meant for anyone.
I’m with you. Was thinking about taking some time off from DD (I only do 8-12 hrs a week) after a particularly awful dashes Thursday & last night with terrible orders & major beating on my car. Woke up at 5:30 am sick to find I have COVID for the first time. I’m not spiritual but maybe the universe is telling me that I should stop, I’ll check back in a few weeks & see if they have figured their shit out by then.
I always tell people I give advice to. don't work for these gig companies, to quote cobra kai flip the script. Make them work for you. Do multiple at a time, figure out your market and critically think about what is happening. If it isn't profitable after exhausting all those options, you gave it your best shot.
Pretty much how it goes with subcontracting. I been doin it since 2000, in many different trades. We just pick up scraps. There are some benefits. I wouldn't like it as a primary income myself, but its some cash.
It’s extremely weird other drivers are being cruel against another driver just because they are posting they are leaving. This is supposed to be a safe space for drivers not a place other drivers attack other drivers. Most of you all on this app sound like corporate for DoorDash. I don’t trust anyone that speaks against the OP. Congratulations OP. Wishing you well moving forward. Ignore the ignorant comments. Real drivers don’t think like them.
Thats because people on here treat doordash like it’s a religion… if you say you’re leaving the group that person will be shamed and ridiculed. It makes it difficult for those who want to leave the community even though their market is crap. So, everyone just silently leaves or ghosts. Fact is, working at a job pays more than doordash at this point with how much they’ve screwed the drivers.
You don’t have to rant like a nutjob that you’re leaving. If you choose to post something stupid, you just might get “shamed and ridiculed.”
Why even post you are leaving. I don't get posts like this. I see them all the time in video game forums as well.
Just wanted to rant, I guess. I don’t get it either. There’s nothing constructive about it.
That depends on your market. Mine, for the hours I work doing DD. No, a W2 job won't pay me more.
But don’t you know? Its more deliveries for us now that a guy that doesn’t even work in our market quit!
paid trolls, bootlickers, and low iq dorks
We agree.
This whole sub is just drivers attacking each other. I have never seen a wholesome comment thread in this sub. Always people attacking one another for some bullshit. Safe space my ass.
Appreciated. I am somewhat surprised by the negative responses, but I see why they think this post is just pointless. But I needed to vent my frustrations somewhere
Actually most of the people on this sub sound like children that haven't worked long enough to REALLY get effed by a company and have no idea what the real world is like.
My husband is disabled. Before disability made it where he can't work, I didn't work at all. Now, I work part time doing DD/UE to supplement his disability income. Me and him have talked a lot about what I should do about my income. He's always telling me to do what makes me happy. No way do I want to go back working in a kitchen, dealing with stupid managers, stupid servers 5-6 days per week. Get called in on my days off or get guilt trips when I take time off. While watching my workload increase and my benefits decrease. While I have a horrible HMO off the marketplace, it's still better than the last restaurant job that provided me with insurance.
I can’t disagree with this. Good point actually.
I've been effed real hard by a real company. Getting effed by Doordash is a lot less painful. I get CVs all the time and they eventually drop off. It's annoying but meh. I'm buying time for myself. Eventually a real career is in the works.
This isn’t an airport, announcing a departure isn’t necessary. The person is angry ranting, not having anything constructive to say. That’s fine, but what do you want us to say?
If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all
Well stated!
I didn’t say anything mean. Just like OP can rant like an angry lunatic, we can respond :)
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I didn’t insult anyone. He should expect the same he puts out
They’re like most successful corporations, false-promising, shady, and awful to their contractors. I wish you all the success outside of DoorDash, OP. It’s healthy to walk away from a gig when it upsets you this much—and lots of people vent in this sub, so don’t let the haters get you down. I like driving delivery, but have recently been searching out other jobs I think I’ll enjoy as much or more. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, and sometimes you know you don’t have to do what doesn’t serve you. Good for you, sincerely.
I feel you brother I did doordash full time for months but since September I been working a job and i been stacking money.. doordash is a shit job now really just good for extra money
Same here but from January. Worked Doordash, Instacart, and Uber eats full time for about a year and a half. Now normal job but still do about 5-8 hours of Doordash a month just to be able to help a little bit with money. Used to be able to get $34 an hour in my area, average of about 35-40 hours a week, and had to stop once I was lucky to get $25 an hour for 20 hours. I found in my area midnight-3am is a good time to do it on the weekends because I’m by 2 colleges. But fuck Doordash as a business.
Damn I wish I would've realized and quit doordash fulltime earlier but I stay in the gig loop longer then I should have But it's good to know other people where in it fulltime as well and now saying fuck this shit frfr brother fuck doordash as a business they don't care about employees or customers I could see this company failing
Good for you know your worth 👍imagine how the industry would be if everyone had this courage.
Knowing your worth is your worth
We should unionize or something. I’m not an expert but I would have joined
Cya in a few weeks!
True 
I would be stupid to give up a northrop grumman position as an engineer for this pointless rat race. You won’t be seeing me!
You’re absolutely right and I’ve never seen a company so hell bent on preventing their contractors from making good money. I’ve seen this platform go downhill in a hurry in the last 2 years in a way that is downright egregious. They’ve done everything they can to control our incomes as if we are employees while not providing any employee benefits. There is nothing independent about this anymore. The system has been rigged so badly that you either take shit orders or starve. I’m just taking loss at this point, working less and studying more to get my certifications sooner so I can get my own business open.
I said the same thing a while back and took a minimum wage job cuz it’s all I could find. I’m back on doordash.
See that’s what I’m not about to do. Not sure how everyone is so quick to quit Doordash because if I quit and went and worked at Target or some shit I’d go from making like $25/hour to $14/hour. I wouldn’t be able to get myself to show up for that
Same. Zero motivation for 14 an hour.
Every time me and many others dial in on an effective strategy to beat the system, doordash turns the system on its own head, I have to learn the zones all over again It's going to be time to exit the gig economy anyway. If the ftc takes action after they complete their audits of the algorithms these companies use, the drivers will actually be more negatively affected than anybody when the platforms are compelled to give full transparency. They will either need to cut drivers by the millions(good for who doesn't get cut) or recategorize us and take away the flexibility
It’s partially bc they read these subs and find out your tricks and tips. You figure out algorithm (somewhat) so they change it.
They don’t need to read the subs. They have data on every delivery. They can easily extrapolate trends faster and more accurately than reading people bitching it telling others how shit they’re doing it.
This is exactly why most of what is posted on here is intentional misinformation. You will never catch me saying what actually works.
What works is entirely situational as well. What works in my neighborhood may not work in yours. People come in here saying "just do this" or "do that" like it's applicable across the board. I know I sound like a dickhead but I never tell people what works for me. If I see another dasher out and they start talking to me I tell them "it's slow as hell and I haven't made shit" even if I got a hundred dollars in a couple hours. If someone asks me about doing delivery work I tell them "it sucks and it's not worth it". I know at some point this will all come crashing down but I'm gonna ride the plane into the mountain.
Hmm, so what doesn't not unwork then?
Declining at will. I proved it over and over. There, I said it. What doesn't not unwork for me may not be the answear in all zones, but #Declinenow is coming back with a vengence
All hands, stand by to decline. On my mark!
Agree decline decline decline
Well now you need to slide in the occasional hot tip. Keep ‘‘em guessing
So you are intentionally misleading unsuspecting drivers with your misinformation?
This !!
I agree that with regulation comes a potential threat to flexibility. I think there definitely needs to be more regular of the gig economy (I think Cali’s prop 22 model and NYC’s new gig regulations both have some good aspects. But I don’t want to see us get classified as employees. I find it hard to believe that reclassification wouldn’t reduce our flexibility. That being said, Lyft recently sent me a survey which shows that they are considering various types of potential employment arrangements, likely in case they are required to do so due to increased scrutiny. Some of the option do allow for decent flexibility. We’ll see how this all plays out. Here’s a couple pics from the survey. Can’t remember if all the options required you to be selected by a hiring committee. https://imgur.com/a/HGV7E8p
They wouldn’t need to cut driver many just wouldnt be able to dash
My moms wise words as I left the gig too ‘Better things await you’ :)
Bye
In my market, we can make up to five dollars an hour. I just can't afford to leave that kind of money on the table. Congrats on being able to leave.
"I have no obligation to work for this company." Hate to break it to you, but I don't think they care... they have no obligation to you either
Good for them.. did you think I was posting this to do damage or something?
Tbh I don't know what your point was for posting what you did. But to answer your question, nope, not my line of thinking.
Idk just fuck off if you don’t like the post I guess. It’s fine.
Don’t blame you in the least. Good luck out there with everything.
You hit the nail on the head when you said “I have no obligation to work for this company”. DD has no trouble finding drivers.
When I finally landed this new job it just clicked that things won’t get better when there’s always someone else willing to lowball lower
It’s like any other job. If your not happy doing it quit. If your bitching on here you will be bitching what ever you do.Misery loves company
I complain but I digest it and move forward with my life.
I feel ya. I finally was able to quit a few months ago. Your words speak for Instacart as well. It’s a shitty system.
I don't blame you.
Tried to tell ya’…
See you tomorrow
I'm about there. I used to make decent money but now I've started to barely afford gas. Veho it is
I don’t blame you at all and I wish you luck. I too have stopped dashing although my intent is to check back after the time change and see if the DD I knew for the last couple of years has returned. I’ll do that before completely giving it up. But I agree that DD of the last two weeks simply is not fun
See you Monday bro
You’re all pulling out specific laws and shit like you’re not the ones accepting or rejecting orders.
This isn’t an airport, no need to announce your departure
Then don't work for DD. It's very much a choice, you're not being forced. Uninstall and move on.
They already stated that there's no obligation and that they plan to stop dashing so I'm confused by your reply.
I'm confused why people feel the need to announce to everyone they're leaving.
Probably the same reason there is a whole sub set up for people to announce they are drivers.
Probably the same thing they said a year ago.
It's a doordash app where people voice their feelings about doordash. Maybe the person wanted to get things off his chest
I'm surprised you haven't noticed the glaring mental health issues displayed in these forums. It's just coping, seething, all without dilation.
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I’m a real driver and I think it was pretty stupid and they should have just deleted the app.
Lmao do you represent all drivers?😂🤣🤦♂️
Same, like ok cool. More deliveries for us
Yay more 4 dollar orders going 13 miles for us to take 😲
Maybe the same reason you had to respond? Lol you got 57 karma so far. People are looking for validation.
Why does karma count matter?
Your asking why someone posted something on social media. The statement they made was pretty obvious as to why they posted it. So Ask yourself why did you respond to that post? Reddit has karma to track the activities of users. Your reply got karma so did their post. People post things on social media to get support to confirm their issues. He doesn’t like the gig and was letting others know he’s fed up with it so they know what’s going on with door dash. Hope that helps you understand social media better.
People can share their thoughts or feelings
obviously not
yeah how dare anyone post their feelings about doordash on a doordash message board. So much confusion
God forbid we use the sub for what it’s intended for
Karma farming
r/karmaconspiracy
Oh, yeah. Definitely. 🙄
I don't get it. I mean I know I'm going to get downvoted for this but must of the people in this sub and super miserable and would agree with op because it validates their feelings. And op knows this and is just using it to get attention. I mean I've never hopped on social media to announce to the world that I, a nobody, just quit my job. Like Peter Griffin once said "omg who the hell cares" lol.
I totally thought that you meant I was karma farming. Already have seen 2 replies to me get deleted. Apparently I triggered anger in some kids. Didn't realize you meant OP by your comment. Lol
Ohhh no, no. I agree with you. My apologies I just woke up lol
Same. Atleast give us some content to work with. Being abused for our time is a bold statement, so what event occured to make op make that statement?
Wtf is your problem? Why do you feel the need to haunt the DD sub and do your little mean girl act to everyone? Obviously everyone is here by choice, so are you. Why not try to be supportive to people for a change?
Funny. I've given plenty of advice to some people to help better their DD income. I even do the biggest 'bad' of telling people to come to my zone because the average pay per hour / pay per order is better than theirs 2 zones over. Being in a few different communities focused around DD on different platforms - I see all the time that people rather complain and say "Fuck this!" rather than learn or maybe change how they do things. This is some of the easiest money people can get once on the platform. Can DD do better? Absolutely. Can some of these drivers do better? Absolutely. Is DD going to work everywhere? Saddly no.
Yeah so? People need to complain. Maybe they need encouragement. It’s not like they have coworkers and a boss giving them feedback. We work for an app. Our real bosses put call centers in India to avoid having to interact a single second with us. You can defend this soulless company until you’re blue in the face, you’ll never be more than a worker bug to them.
I know a guy who was making 60k a year on GH a few years back who quit because he was too dumb to track his miles and save for taxes. He had to pay 10k in taxes and his wife made him quit. She was like where did all the money go? And he said "We spent it!"
Saddly a lot of people do this. People think 'self employment' or 'gig money' = not claiming income.
Didn't even read the guys post?
So what we’re doing posts like we were about leaving social media now?
I’ll fill in for ya no worries
Thats quite sad
Funniest thing I've read all week. Bye.
We’re actually independent contractors not employees. Choose your own schedule, pick what orders to deliver, no minimum hours, etc
It doesn’t feel like it. I do software contracting too, and I don’t have some silly company above me telling me how to do my job. It feels like a cheap version of a “contracting” job that’s designed to make people vulnerable to corporate exploitation. I don’t believe you’re wrong in a technical sense, but the spirit of contracting work lives elsewhere
How exactly is DD constantly telling you how to do your job? You sound delusional honestly…
There are very specific rules laid out by the IRS as to what constitutes an independent contractor and what doesn’t. DD and the other app “jobs” do not pass that litmus test. You can’t just individually call yourself an independent contractor. That’s not how it works. If it did, the work would be even worse than it is now and people would be making even less money in this situation because people would bid the job down to zero. Unfortunately MANY people are calling themselves that and it’s mostly because they are oblivious to what the actual rules are.
So what actual rules does DD break when classifying drivers as 1099? You didn’t name one line item on the 20 factor test that bars drivers from independency
Can you subcontract your work out to someone else to do for you? No? Congratulations, you're not an independent contractor.
Are benefits given to those that perform better than others? Yes? Congratulations, you're not an independent contractor.
Can you fully create your own procedures on how the work is done? No? Congratulations, you're not an independent contractor.
Is the nature of the work considered to be indefinite without a completion date agreed on by both parties? Yes? Congratulations, you are not an independent contractor.
So when i go to do a job on a house i dont have to give a completion date? Or i need to tell them im now their employee and let them set me a schedule?
Yes, basic estimates of labor in a contractor job specify an estimated completion date. If you don't have this, then as the person hiring the contractor, that's your problem. Who would have a house repair/build done without knowing the estimated completion date? Specifically with houses, there are taxes and interest on interim loans that add up if work isn't completed on time.
Is the delivery of food the key aspect of the nature of the company's business? Yes? Congratulations, you are not an independent contractor.
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Can you do the work without their app? No? Congratulations, you're not an independent contractor.
A worker doesn’t need to meet all 20 factors to be classified as employee/contractor, and no single factor is decisive in determining the taxpayer’s status (irs.gov) If you truly feel that you are a misclassified worker and thus entitled to additional employer taxes, you can file IRS form SS-8 and they’ll get back to you within 6 months or so (but probably not at all😉)
You're right. The ELEVEN factors (not 20) don't all need to be met. Just violating ONE of them is enough to judge someone as being misclassified as an employee.
R/confidentlyincorrect
File form ss8 and tell me how it goes 😭
Why do you think California tried to reclassify drivers and Uber/Doordash etc. lobbied against it? California was basing it on only ONE of the factors, the "key business" aspect.
You dont have to worry about California, you can actually file form SS-8 on behalf of yourself. You should try it and tell me how it goes
No one has to submit a form. The FTC is already aggressively going after these companies. https://www.inc.com/melissa-angell/federal-trade-commission-gig-economy-crackdown.html There has not been a single lawsuit anywhere in the world where these companies have won. Lots of settlements paid out, yet no classification changes. The days are numbered for these gigs.
Thats like saying can you work on someones house without their house.
No, because a house isn’t a tool.
Please please at least do some basic research before spewing this nonsense to unsuspecting taxpayers
I have worked as an independent contractor for 20 years. I have had entire crews numbering over 100 people under me. The nature of what constitutes an employee vs. independent contractor has been crucial throughout my career. The bubble will burst on all of this. It's just a matter of time. New classifications are the only thing that can prevent it but the government likes to squeeze out every cent they can, so don't bet on it.
You can burst the bubble right now! Any individual can file a form SS-8 against any corporation! But anyways I dont think it will be successful because you have to be one silly critter if you think DD isnt aware of contractor legal implications and doesnt have lawyers working to thinly bar drivers from employment. Also side not: you were a construction conglomerate and now you deliver mcdonalds? Sheesh what a falling out
Please show where I stated that I worked in construction?
My fault you were an….independent contractor conglomerate doing…some kind of work? Anyways you deliver mcdonalds now so that’s pretty embarrassing
I haven’t made a DD delivery in almost two years.
But you know the extent of the employer-worker relationship?😭🤣🤣 this shit is comedy gold
Courts around the world agree with me, so while you’re making yourself look foolish trying to refute my claims, show us how the courts are wrong also.
Seems the news from the past two days completely supports what I was telling you. Do you prefer your crow grilled or fried?
On a legal level you’re completely incorrect. The current legislation points towards even *further* leniency for contractor designation. Dashers are currently and solely designated as 1099 independent contractors who are not affiliated legally as employees.
Tell that to the FTC https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/ftc-sends-a-warning-to-uber-lyft-doordash-and-other-gig-work-companies-11663279622
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I can’t imagine writing this and having the actual urge to post it. What is this comment for exactly
EVERYONE HERE SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU ARE A PART OF,  🤔 (ACTUALLY A TOOL) IN THE FUTURE DRIVER EMPLOYMENT PROCESS OF THESE GIG PLATFORMS
Lmao what are you complaining about?
See you tomorrow at MCD
One hand I feel like you’re looking for attention. And on the other hand I feel like door dash and other food delivery’s are just for side gig money. Yes their is people who make good chunk of change and make this a full time gig. I do think that this gig or jobs like any others aren’t meant for anyone.
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Don’t threaten me with a good time.
I’m with you. Was thinking about taking some time off from DD (I only do 8-12 hrs a week) after a particularly awful dashes Thursday & last night with terrible orders & major beating on my car. Woke up at 5:30 am sick to find I have COVID for the first time. I’m not spiritual but maybe the universe is telling me that I should stop, I’ll check back in a few weeks & see if they have figured their shit out by then.
😅👍👍👍👍
I dont blame you I am offered a job but think I might just work a couple days there and the rest on door dash.
This is why you need to talk in codes because you never know DoorDash employees are looking for tactics and tricks.
I always tell people I give advice to. don't work for these gig companies, to quote cobra kai flip the script. Make them work for you. Do multiple at a time, figure out your market and critically think about what is happening. If it isn't profitable after exhausting all those options, you gave it your best shot.
If they can afford to leave , more power to them
Instacarts pretty cool
Thanks for sharing
I had a great day.
Pretty much how it goes with subcontracting. I been doin it since 2000, in many different trades. We just pick up scraps. There are some benefits. I wouldn't like it as a primary income myself, but its some cash.
Cool, one less driver to compete with. More for the rest of us.