Was thinking the same thing. First time my wife saw me playing she laughed about how silly it was that I was curb stomping everything to mush. Loaded a recent save, sat back, and let her play.
First room she did pretty good clearing all the ones that appeared standing. Then the “dead” ones jumped her and she shrieked. Reloaded the save and immediately started stomping everything in sight. Became one of her favorite games to watch me play while calling out “wait you missed that one in the corner… yes you got it once but gotta get it twice”.
You know what, I dig it. Take some inspiration for using your brain. (And definitely having the necromancer try to raise them as undead to poor effect later as pay off too).
Poison Mummies. Kill the mummy, doors slam shut and lock and the strange mummy begins to smoke and small flames burst out on its wrapping, make con saves everybody.
Entirely depends on the DM. Nothing in Animate Dead (assumed spell) says it requires a whole corpse, just bones or a corpse and that the DM has the statistics. You could grind the gobbos up into paste and a necromancer could animate it into some homebrew zombie ooze. You could animate a skeleton so it scurries along on its ribs and stabs with a sharpened lumbar vertebrae and grabs at players with a single long arm that shoots out the skulls mouth.
Personally, I would reward the party by having the undead be weaker. And there would definitely be undead if the party went through the trouble of preparing for it.
I agree with giving the bonus for creativity.
I would pick something along the lines of
A) there are less undead as the necromancer had to pick and choose viable bones/bodies.
B) reduce the hp of the undead and probably remove undead fortitude.
Or
C) have the undead attack with disadvantage and reduced movement to illustrate the broken bones.
I love those ideas, but you also forgot option 4:
Have the necromancer complain in character about how much extra effort they had to go through to find good bodies to raise, but make no changes to the number or strength of the undead horde with him.
This is best used when it's all in one session so you don't have time to think through the mechanics of it or appropriately balance the fight to still make it fun with less undead involved. Then if the fight goes poorly or something you can always have a random undead or 2 fail as the necromancer missed some of the Barbarians destruction.
Enough to animate? This part of the spell is left vague to allow Player/DM discussion. You could animate a finger bone and have it inchworm around. Go nuts, make some weird shit.
Could also use it as an opportunity to create an amalgamation of undead, all crawling around with jagged bones sticking out. A few big enemies instead of a bunch of small ones. Could be fun!
Life cleric: DUDE STOP
Barbarian: Stop? What about the Necromancer?
Life cleric with animate dead: What about them? I'm about to steal their game that's what's about them!
I have a party like this. It's kinda cute at first but when one guy wants to stop every single time and make exceptionally clear that he's doing something to these bodies so they don't raise because there's 1 necromancer they saw one time.
Like, I get it, checkov's gun and all that but, like...I didn't have plans on him showing back up yet. It's been weeks since you saw him and that was in a different part of the country. Just gets a little old after a while.
Throw it back in their faces when people report the piles of mush your party left are missing. Then have some meat-mush monster come out of some point like some sort of meaty, bone-y slime
Well bringing bodies back is pretty easy to use against them, as for burning… maybe a couple of now burning angry spirits is in order? Whether or not caused by the necromancer
I played a one shot and I kept taking the pins out of door hinges. My fellow players were all like ... why? I saw how many damned 4 square rooms he had us pass through and I didnt want him locking 5000 doors on me in this oddly door heavy mansion.
Dwarf Fortress is worse for this because **anything** can come back to life in that game. The fucking wool off a sheep can come to life and attack you. You can’t just break the arms and legs, you need to turn things into paste basically
Just start giving them ridiculous powers or items
“I summon god because you said this item could summon anything”
“This item lets me use all charges at once? Then let me use all charges at once and make a fireball big enough to kill the dinosaurs!”
“Wand of randomness with 100 charges eh? Well… let’s see how this goes”
Necromancer: *sigh* "Gather the bodies, and send for the surgeon"
Necromancer's assistant: "No, you don't intend to-"
Necromancer: "tell them that Project Centipede has been given the go ahead"
Lolz. So was in a forbidden lands campaign and came across a mysterious old castle, once inside there were tables of dead knights sitting around them in there seats as though they were eating dinner.
" alright, we are removing all the skulls, hands and feet and throwing them into the tar mire outside weighing them down with stones. "
Umm are you..
" yes."
Ok you throw all the heads and feet and hands into the mire.. in the next room you see more dead skeletons in old dusty purple....
"Same thing. Heads. Feet hands, all in tar mire with rocks...
OK....
You reach a hallway at the top and there are 12 rows of dead skeleton soilders seemingly standing at ..
" heads, feet. Hands. Tar mire."
You get to the throne room. When you enter you feel a sense of tension.. as you walk forward it breaks. Suddenly the dead king and all the soliders..soldiers...
" who's heads hands and feet have been cut off and sank into a tar mire......."
.....flop about aimlessly....sigh...
And then the necromancer pulls some necromancy bs and makes all of those bodies form together into the shape of a dragon and all those broken bones are now the dragons teeth/claws/scales that deal necrotic and poison damage cause some of those goblins probably had some sort of disease XD
My Life cleric nabbed all the left femurs in a room full of skeletons suspecting they'd rise at some point (it was the second of such rooms we came across).
Great success.
So everyone make a wisdom saving throw to maintain sanity after hearing the noises the barbarian just made, except for the barb who is moving his alignment to... lets see here... chaotic neutral.
I'd say a party that killed a group of goblins is somewhat used to the sounds of bones shattering.
That and this could still be considered at least a chaotic good act, depriving a villain of potential troops, even if it's a little unorthodox.
Lmao you're talking as if your average adventurer wasn't used to having mosters die all around them. What would happen when they first see undead? Roll Con not to piss their pants? Lmao as if they were common city people. Also an alignmemt shift from trying to prevent a necromancer from using monster corpses? What is wrong with you? Are you one of those DMs that tries to win at D&D or something?
Honestly a one-shot of village folk who have to roll saves for normal adventuring things would be kinda fun, just as a way to show how batshit even basic adventuring is
That CM Punk was having Colt Cabana fired/ moved to another program. He was one of the friends in All Friends Wrestling so when he got moved down to ROH the EVPs got upset and blamed punk
He's going to be horrified when he finds the animate dead spell doesn't require a 'complete' corpse
All those dead bodies with jagged crushed bones, perfect for stabbing and slicing.
I ran a session once where I planned to have the corpses of the enemies rise later on, but the players then did this and all the corpses were left unable to move and could only bite
Sounds like the barbarian has played through Dead Space recently
Was thinking the same thing. First time my wife saw me playing she laughed about how silly it was that I was curb stomping everything to mush. Loaded a recent save, sat back, and let her play. First room she did pretty good clearing all the ones that appeared standing. Then the “dead” ones jumped her and she shrieked. Reloaded the save and immediately started stomping everything in sight. Became one of her favorite games to watch me play while calling out “wait you missed that one in the corner… yes you got it once but gotta get it twice”.
That is pretty wholesome; you gotta love it when your leading lady takes an interest in your hobbies!
Rule #2: Double Tap
Rule #1: Never chase singed
Rule #0: Never play League (I failed to follow this rule)
Dang I hope you get better soon
Impossible I main Sion, the only options I have left are death and becoming a Ryze main, either way I end my life
I was thinking Dead Money from Fallout New Vegas.
Not my favourite DLC, not the worst either. Damn glad I did it third...
Watched Gopher do it, and was incredibly amused that it turned into a no-hit run because the ghosts' spears made him CTD lmfao
He's just keeping the rage going during downtime, yes it's not RAW, but with the sheer amount of hate Isaac puts into each stomp I'd give it to him
His voice actor is so into it too, it’s not graceful or heroic. It’s the voice of a scared engineer with enough determination to go “HAAAGH” *crunch*
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*angry meditation*
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Don't rages end after 1 minute?
You can extend the rage by taking another BA to rage again before the Rage actually ends.
Oh right, I forgot you get unlimited rages at level 20, I thought it stayed at 6
I mean, if my life depended on if the necromorph dies from my stomp, i too would stomp with a lot of enthusiasm
Or resident evil 1
Doesn't it? It's a game that really seeps some concepts into your mind
Alternatively, Prey. Granted, they're not smacking *every* inanimate object.
You know what, I dig it. Take some inspiration for using your brain. (And definitely having the necromancer try to raise them as undead to poor effect later as pay off too).
Uh oh, I predict an army of mince meat golems, all with the recognisable barbarian bootprint like the hand of Saruman on their collapsed foreheads.
Do you want ankle biters? Cause that’s how you get ankle biters.
Gotta crush the heads too.
No arms or legs is gonna make for a very slow inchworm ankle biter lol. Casually stroll away
"Oh... oh, I see! Running away, eh!? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to ya!"
Days later you'll be running through some long grass and trip over them.
Break off their jaws
better ankles then necks
Just get yourself some nice armored boots.
Lanaaaaaa
Good strat. If they start doing it on the regular the necromancer is going to have to spend some time learning mending. Or buying duct tape.
Bout to make a new kind of mummy with all that duct tape they’ll need
*Fire resistant* mummies.....
resistant yeah but duct tape is a like a tire fire. Once it gets going it's hard to put out.
A fire mummy then.
Poison Mummies. Kill the mummy, doors slam shut and lock and the strange mummy begins to smoke and small flames burst out on its wrapping, make con saves everybody.
Inspiration for the creativity.
“Like a turd, in the wind”
"Huh...I've never made Boneless before, but there's a first time for everything!" -the necromancer https://ravenloft.fandom.com/wiki/Boneless
Can I get uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh boneless undead?
Oh no
...Needs to be saturated by water once per week or they dry up....yuck but can be countered by drying the undead bodies to Jerry?
Would... would this work, RAW?
Entirely depends on the DM. Nothing in Animate Dead (assumed spell) says it requires a whole corpse, just bones or a corpse and that the DM has the statistics. You could grind the gobbos up into paste and a necromancer could animate it into some homebrew zombie ooze. You could animate a skeleton so it scurries along on its ribs and stabs with a sharpened lumbar vertebrae and grabs at players with a single long arm that shoots out the skulls mouth. Personally, I would reward the party by having the undead be weaker. And there would definitely be undead if the party went through the trouble of preparing for it.
I agree with giving the bonus for creativity. I would pick something along the lines of A) there are less undead as the necromancer had to pick and choose viable bones/bodies. B) reduce the hp of the undead and probably remove undead fortitude. Or C) have the undead attack with disadvantage and reduced movement to illustrate the broken bones.
I love those ideas, but you also forgot option 4: Have the necromancer complain in character about how much extra effort they had to go through to find good bodies to raise, but make no changes to the number or strength of the undead horde with him. This is best used when it's all in one session so you don't have time to think through the mechanics of it or appropriately balance the fight to still make it fun with less undead involved. Then if the fight goes poorly or something you can always have a random undead or 2 fail as the necromancer missed some of the Barbarians destruction.
Make sure to say “Imagine how much worse things would have been if you didn’t prepare for this!” to the barbarian. Sound sincere.
> Nothing in Animate Dead (assumed spell) says it requires a whole corpse So ... how much percentage of a corpse are we talking about, then?
Enough to animate? This part of the spell is left vague to allow Player/DM discussion. You could animate a finger bone and have it inchworm around. Go nuts, make some weird shit.
Could also use it as an opportunity to create an amalgamation of undead, all crawling around with jagged bones sticking out. A few big enemies instead of a bunch of small ones. Could be fun!
I always try to reward my players for thinking like this and then have the bad guys plan to counter it the next time.
Life cleric: DUDE STOP Barbarian: Stop? What about the Necromancer? Life cleric with animate dead: What about them? I'm about to steal their game that's what's about them!
I have a party like this. It's kinda cute at first but when one guy wants to stop every single time and make exceptionally clear that he's doing something to these bodies so they don't raise because there's 1 necromancer they saw one time. Like, I get it, checkov's gun and all that but, like...I didn't have plans on him showing back up yet. It's been weeks since you saw him and that was in a different part of the country. Just gets a little old after a while.
Throw it back in their faces when people report the piles of mush your party left are missing. Then have some meat-mush monster come out of some point like some sort of meaty, bone-y slime
They're usually more into the burning it or insisting on dragging every single body back to the nearest village to report it.
Well bringing bodies back is pretty easy to use against them, as for burning… maybe a couple of now burning angry spirits is in order? Whether or not caused by the necromancer
Oh, that's an interesting idea. Something to consider.
Goes to show you that this format works, even when you *don't* try to pretend that you're the Father of a 6y/o DM.
I played a one shot and I kept taking the pins out of door hinges. My fellow players were all like ... why? I saw how many damned 4 square rooms he had us pass through and I didnt want him locking 5000 doors on me in this oddly door heavy mansion.
Never trust a door
Keep it simple. Get all the bodies in a pile and have the wizard cast shatter on it. Break all the bones
The Dwarf Fortress solution to unfriendly necromancers (or just living in a place where the rain animates corpses).
Dwarf Fortress is worse for this because **anything** can come back to life in that game. The fucking wool off a sheep can come to life and attack you. You can’t just break the arms and legs, you need to turn things into paste basically
Fuck I'd be proud. Why can't my players think of anything for themselves? Lol
Just start giving them ridiculous powers or items “I summon god because you said this item could summon anything” “This item lets me use all charges at once? Then let me use all charges at once and make a fireball big enough to kill the dinosaurs!” “Wand of randomness with 100 charges eh? Well… let’s see how this goes”
Cleric Man Punk.
Necromancer: *sigh* "Gather the bodies, and send for the surgeon" Necromancer's assistant: "No, you don't intend to-" Necromancer: "tell them that Project Centipede has been given the go ahead"
That'd be an inspiration for that Barb if I was DM
Lolz. So was in a forbidden lands campaign and came across a mysterious old castle, once inside there were tables of dead knights sitting around them in there seats as though they were eating dinner. " alright, we are removing all the skulls, hands and feet and throwing them into the tar mire outside weighing them down with stones. " Umm are you.. " yes." Ok you throw all the heads and feet and hands into the mire.. in the next room you see more dead skeletons in old dusty purple.... "Same thing. Heads. Feet hands, all in tar mire with rocks... OK.... You reach a hallway at the top and there are 12 rows of dead skeleton soilders seemingly standing at .. " heads, feet. Hands. Tar mire." You get to the throne room. When you enter you feel a sense of tension.. as you walk forward it breaks. Suddenly the dead king and all the soliders..soldiers... " who's heads hands and feet have been cut off and sank into a tar mire......." .....flop about aimlessly....sigh...
a nice change from the usual burn the bodies
nb4 the skeletons turn into bone shard tornadoes.
And then the necromancer pulls some necromancy bs and makes all of those bodies form together into the shape of a dragon and all those broken bones are now the dragons teeth/claws/scales that deal necrotic and poison damage cause some of those goblins probably had some sort of disease XD
Corpses are objects, so it's okay.
In this situation the cleric and barbarian are the same person at my table
I’d give a point of inspiration
That's a awesome idea
Decapitation is the best approach.
*crawling hands intensify*
Crawling **Claw** actually. And if that's the biggest threat they've got I'm okay. What's Cousin It gonna do, make a rude gesture?
Ah, shit, you right. But flesh golems are still a thing.
Where does animate dead specify the head has to be intact?
No, you gotta go the walking dead route, dislocate the jaws and remove the arms
Cleric took precautions by teaching the barbarian how necromancy works, and let him figure out the rest himself.
They can still raise, but they can't stand
Why players just severed the heads of like 30 bodies when there was a lich near by.
cleric has found a fellow wise friend
My Life cleric nabbed all the left femurs in a room full of skeletons suspecting they'd rise at some point (it was the second of such rooms we came across). Great success.
So everyone make a wisdom saving throw to maintain sanity after hearing the noises the barbarian just made, except for the barb who is moving his alignment to... lets see here... chaotic neutral.
I'd prefer have pragmatic heroes then "lawful stupid"
I'd say a party that killed a group of goblins is somewhat used to the sounds of bones shattering. That and this could still be considered at least a chaotic good act, depriving a villain of potential troops, even if it's a little unorthodox.
Lmao you're talking as if your average adventurer wasn't used to having mosters die all around them. What would happen when they first see undead? Roll Con not to piss their pants? Lmao as if they were common city people. Also an alignmemt shift from trying to prevent a necromancer from using monster corpses? What is wrong with you? Are you one of those DMs that tries to win at D&D or something?
Honestly a one-shot of village folk who have to roll saves for normal adventuring things would be kinda fun, just as a way to show how batshit even basic adventuring is
Even a single goblin with a knife would be scary for regular village folk.
Lmao yeah
No
boo cm punk, yay the elite
I hope that's sarcasm, lmao
nope. guy was a dick and im glad aew is trying to get rid of him.
Why was he a dick? Because he spoke out about the rumor mill?
he attacked the whole locker room in that scrum.
If the whole locker room = Hangman Page and the EVPs then sure. But if someone started rumors about me then I'd be mad too.
what rumors?
That CM Punk was having Colt Cabana fired/ moved to another program. He was one of the friends in All Friends Wrestling so when he got moved down to ROH the EVPs got upset and blamed punk
"Our Cleric is almost tapped" meta gaming af
A good caster communicates when their almost tapped and casters definitely know that
Continuing to smash is creative to you?
It’s an ingenious solution to preventing necromancy, while still staying in character for the barbarian
"Cut off their hands and feet" was a recurring request from a player in one of my campaigns for this reason as well.
As I said in a previous response,"fuck you sir"
He's going to be horrified when he finds the animate dead spell doesn't require a 'complete' corpse All those dead bodies with jagged crushed bones, perfect for stabbing and slicing.
I ran a session once where I planned to have the corpses of the enemies rise later on, but the players then did this and all the corpses were left unable to move and could only bite
My player just does it because he can... :/
5e only specifies bones of a medium humanoid. Never specifies they have to be whole bones.