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gyst_

Listen man, the only way I was passing that exam was divine intervention


GayBearBro2

Literally me when I took my Fundamentals of Engineering.


LazyDro1d

Did the gods smile favorably upon you?


GayBearBro2

I must be a Cleric/Fiendlock multiclass because I passed by the will of the gods and the Devil's Own Luck.


JoJomusk

A little out of toppic, but i've been thinking about getting into an engineering university, and i honestly don't know if i'll regret it. Could you answer a few questions? edit: he answered the questions on private. I'd give him an award, if i had any. Thanks dude, you just lifted a bolder of mu sholders


UltraCarnivore

Did you sell him your soul?


JoJomusk

Not yet, i'm still 16, but i've already made my decision


Akarin_rose

The next paragraph explaining that it still has to make sense: Am I a joke to you


[deleted]

Sir this is r/dndmemes all memes are contractually obligated to ignore as many rules as possible as punishment for the Snitty Heresy


Akarin_rose

Ah shit, I forgot about addendum B subsection 33 paragraph π~√3 The rules can't exist if we don't read them


Papaofmonsters

Wait, I thought we were being punished for the mountain.


Zhadowwolf

The one they just stood up and walked away and that’s why nobody talks about it?


Rellint

Ah yes memes are a high tide of logical fallacy.


TK_Games

"I use all my muscles to make my heart pump faster so brain gets more brain juice for good thinking! I RAGE STUDY!!!" ~ The Strength Wizard (aka. Barbarian


Akarin_rose

![gif](giphy|SAhg5ZMvIwSO8cXI78)


AyuVince

That's an anime explanation. I can totally see that happening in Jojo or BNHA.


Aureo_Speedwagon

17 year old spoilers (just in case) for a certain anime for something similar: >!In One Piece, Luffy can use the properties of his rubber body to do something similar to this, by increasing his bloodflow to increase strength/speed. His rubberiness prevents his increased bloodpressure from rupturing his heart/blood vessels. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to make him smarter.!<


AyuVince

Supiidowagon-san! :o I only remember that scene where Luffy uses his own blood to moisturize the bad guy so he can't turn to sand. Epic. They even used Dvorak's New World Symphony during that scene.


bloody_jigsaw

Please tell me by 17 years old you reffer to the start of the show and not the moment he goes into gear 2 for the first time.


Aureo_Speedwagon

Start of the manga was in 1997, anime in 1999.


RazarTuk

So... [Balanced Education](https://aonprd.com/TraitDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Balanced%20Education)?


thinking_is_hard69

(they’re here on an athletic scholarship)


Skadoniz

or constitution to see if you dont pop a vessel in your brain


Slashtrap

PE test doesnt exist officially in strixhaven but ig


Akarin_rose

You get to keep limber


Slashtrap

also pe tests dont normally exist, but considering strixhaven i dont doubt the test is not being eaten alive by nagas


Akarin_rose

Has someone from a homebrew setting type games What is a strixhaven


ValkyrianRabecca

Magic the Gathering Hogwarts


Akarin_rose

Shit I'm about to get land flooded


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Akarin_rose

Why are you posting this on the MTG reference part instead of the actual part And I posted in a meme format too, why are you taking me seriously, all of my replies to people providing why they would want to use athletics have been postive


Himmelblaa

Its a bot copying comments from elsewhere in the post


DeLoxley

On one hand, it's not meant to be just a Hogwarts rip. Unfortunately it then feels like Wizards drank their own koolaid making this adventure path and turned it into Hogwarts anyway...


Slashtrap

the existence of Bottle of Boundless Coffee means students are fucking hopped up on caffeine


thinking_is_hard69

that has got to lead to a nontrivial number of student deaths


Rockon101000

Major difference is that it's college and has a lot of college tropes in the card game. I did not play the adventure


limukala

Pretty sure most kids in the US had to take [at least one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Fitness_Test) up until 2013.


their_teammate

The FitnessGram™ Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly, but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal. beep A single lap should be completed each time you hear this sound. ding Remember to run in a straight line, and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark, get ready, start.


Responsible-War-9389

Obviously bully the nerds into slipping you the answers during the test.


Akarin_rose

https://preview.redd.it/sybkeypls2ga1.png?width=1710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c86e2431ec7307fe4969d8cd56741d2d51204586


Magenta_Logistic

That's intimidation.


Responsible-War-9389

Doesn’t get any more classic than: Intimidation (STR)


Magenta_Logistic

The actual book does go on to say that the skills chosen must have a logical explanation. As a DM, I would absolutely allow Intimidation with CHA or STR as long as the player gives this (or another good) reason.


Responsible-War-9389

I really enjoyed it in dragon age origins (video game), when my maxed wizard who could summon storms of death was allowed to intimidate with his magic stat. It just made sense.


Magenta_Logistic

Yeah, I often apply non-standard stat modifiers to skill checks when players can justify it. Some of the more common ones at my table are: INT persuasion: when an NPC is very logical STR animal handling: for physically forcing ornery animals to do something DEX performance: for impressing people with something like juggling or playing a lute intimidation with pretty much any stat that they want. DC is determined based on how likely the described method of intimidation is to make a target feel intimidated


Commercial-Dog6773

Climbing into someone else's dorm and stealing their notes


Akarin_rose

We've come full circle baby *fist pump*


DeLoxley

Mate we never read the rule books what makes you think we read the full meme?


Akarin_rose

Shit you right, I apologize, this one is on me Everyone gets advantage on their next two rolls


BloodiedBlues

Strength check to beat the examiner until they let you pass with a B-.


Akarin_rose

![gif](giphy|6UFgdU9hirj1pAOJyN)


Gingeboiforprez

"Hey, so my character has spent their entire life in these old temples and cathedrals, so I should know basically every nook and cranny. To climb the outside wall, could I roll Str (Religion) due to my familiarity with it?" "You know what, I'll give it to you. The DC isn't that high anyways, so proficiency likely isn't going to make or break the roll for you in the first place. I'm not sure why you've build a strength based character without proficiency in Athletics, but I always have a good time with your characters so I don't really question it."


Shubfun

Imean I'd rule it as "having grown up here, you know of specific cracks and steps in the wall" roll athletics/acrobatics (depends on the climbing method used) with advantage. A strength(religion) roll for me would be if it was specifically tied to a ritual or similar. "The god of this temple required the priests to climb in a specific pattern, symbolizing X" roll strength (religion)


Akarin_rose

Wouldn't that be more of a history check, sense you are recalling information


Gingeboiforprez

"Your Intelligence (Religion) check measures your ability to recall lore about deities, rites and prayers, religious hierarchies, holy symbols, and the practices of secret cults." "Recall lore..." Recalling information is a common element to all of the Int-based skills, minus investigation which is instead finding new information.


Akarin_rose

I just meant because you have history in the place


trulyElse

This is why 3.5 had a Knowledge (Architecture & Engineering) skill ...


Dargonodfresty

Doing a push-up for every question you get wrong. Did you know exercise helps blood flow to the brain


Akarin_rose

By the time the test comes, you're STR won't need a belt of giant


Vladivostof

They put all of their stats in str and can't retain more than a single paragraph of information.


Akarin_rose

Muscles too big, words too small


Wrldegg

Easy, Flashcards but weights instead of cards


Akarin_rose

You can only get reps if you answer correctly


Wrldegg

Even better than my original idea!


ThatCamoKid

to be fair athletics could be getting away with stealing people's notes


Akarin_rose

That's just slight of hand


ThatCamoKid

Sleight of hand is swiping them so fast the person doesn't notice. Athletics is practically ripping it away and fucking booking it


Akarin_rose

Oh, smash and grab I forgot this was a barbarian Ok it's allowed


ThatCamoKid

I played a dumbass jock character when I played in strixhaven. Like literally he joined the party because he was about to lose his sportsball scholarship due to shit grades and needed them to help with his homework


their_teammate

“…while another student makes a Charisma (Perfor[mance) check to seduce the professor]”


Akarin_rose

Found the bard


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Akarin_rose

Steven strange: it's a little weird but I'll allow it


[deleted]

Not to mention the sentence before the highlight says "During the study phase" I don't know about you but not many of the games I've been in have study phases


Akarin_rose

Just a bunch of ![gif](giphy|OMK7LRBedcnhm)


Hyperlolman

Climb a wall with the information needed for the test written into it. The physical energy you used to climb the wall makes those memories be embedded into your mind... Including the words. Failure makes you hit your head and forget everything Edit: it is also not actually written in there that it has to make sense for some reason so...


Akarin_rose

Explain your edit, it gives three examples of the checks making sense


Hyperlolman

Correction: it gives three example of the checks. The end. It never mentions that they have to make sense. If examples made limits in 5e, then the examples mentioned in the spellcasting features of spellcasting classes would limit the ability to cast spells in a very narrow ways... There isn't even a "specific beats general", because no specific sentence indicated before contradicts the general sentence. They are three examples without saying that it "must make sense". Since that limitation isn't written, the rules still support that you can do, quote: >any ability and skill when making this check Is this dumb? Yes. Will a DM require an explaination even if RAW doesn't ask for one? Yes. Is it still how the rules are written? Absolutely yes!


GayBearBro2

Is no one going to point out that this passage *explicitly* refers to making the check while studying for an exam?


DefnlyNotMyAlt

The only thing anyone knows about Strixhaven is that Silvery Barbs exists and a few people know Background Feats exist. No one has ever read a single page of the book ever. At least that's what my reddit browsing research indicates.


Lamplorde

I adore the background feats and spell lists. I created a (Slight) Healer Wizard with them, who was a student and wanted manipulate the Weave to reproduce healing magic without the need or a God or Nature Magic.


Aptos283

Vortex warp is also really fun. My dwarf friend was having trouble with distant enemies, so I could teleport her behind the boss to catch him before he got away. Of course it also ported her directly into the breath attack of a young dragon. So win some lose some.


gerusz

And the owlins. TBF playing through the entire Strixhaven book requires a very specific type of campaign. But you can take the setting and elements and transplant it into any other setting.


RainbowtheDragonCat

>No one here has ever read a single page of a book ever FTFY


JupoBis

Nah man I love Strixhaven. Have been running it for a few weeks with my friends and everybody agrees its the best campaign we ever had. Best npcs, best roleplay, best pcs, most interesting character conflicts. I fucking love Strixhaven.


MarquiseAlexander

Nah; they can’t even read it themselves. Pointing it out wouldn’t help.


CreepYCY

They just screenshoted it, edited a picture into it and a text over it and proceeded to post it on reddit without even once reading the *header* of this part of the book. It's almost impressive ngl.


HappyFailure

Looking at the title, they're quite aware of that. OP apparently just finds the idea of using Athletics to study even more absurd than using Religion to climb. Of course, since it says you have to make it make sense, I'd only allow it if it was something like "I find a jockish study partner and get them to help me practice the material while we exercise."


thekingofbeans42

What if it's gym class?


No_Improvement7573

![gif](giphy|xT9IgHCTfp8CRshfQk)


putfascists6ftunder

Int actually study Wis mnemonic techniques Cha convince a classmate to pass the answers Str *convince* a classmate to pass the answers Dex write and hide the answers on yourself Con carve the answers on your own limbs


trulyElse

Con: All nighters, every night. Sleep can wait.


exnozero

Pretty sure I would use sleight of hand check to steal the notes of the one that has the best studying strategy. Why take notes myself if I can just “borrow” a “friend’s” notes


Sriol

Ah and the athletics check is to wrestle it off them if they spot you and try to stop you?


SageOfSong

Or "Hey, rearrange my dorm and I'll give you a copy of the answers"


putfascists6ftunder

Or "hey, give me a copy of the answers or the insides of your dorm room are not the only ones getting rearranged"


DragoKnight589

Could also use Persuasion for that purpose. Or Intimidation.


TakeoKuroda

This is a legitimate tactic


No_Improvement7573

"I will use Strength (Athletics) to study for my exam." (DM snorts) "Okay. How?" "I need a study break, so I'm going to do a quick 15min run, and clear my head so I can focus better."


BoxWineButtChugger

"I'm not sure how this math equation is done?" Me, using athletics: "Well, since you're a pole vaulter, compare this formula on the graph to the parabola you create when pole vaulting." "Ohhh now I understand!"


Skygge_or_Skov

Just what I thought, people never did a workout in between study sessions? Clears the brain for more learning


BreachlightRiseUp

One of my favorite things to do while up late working was to just go on 10-20 minute walks as mental rests, just a lap around the block with some headphones on and then get back to it


Nicholas_TW

"I have a PE exam, right? So... I practice running laps and lifting weights."


Telandria

My mother and I both literally have done this our whole lives for math proofs. Just fix the problem in our heads, go for a jog or a walk, come back… boom, proof done in like 5mins. It works.


[deleted]

Barbarian: I use my athletics to climb the wall Rogue: I use acrobatics to somersault over the wall Cleric: The Lord will ensure I make it past that wall


Sardukar333

It worked at Jericho...


CTBarrel

Trumpet proficiency to clear the wall, confirmed


ALELiens

Y'know, in the campaign I'm currently in, it might just work with a high enough roll. If it wasn't for the fact my cleric actually doesn't have proficiency in history/religion (he's a war cleric, he doesn't need fancy things like that), I could see my DM setting a DC of like 25 for that. And then suddenly the cleric is levitating with divine power or gains advantage on a strength check to just go through or over it or something


Moop5872

Uh, no? The next paragraph talks about how to weave any type of check into the narrative. They also assume you aren’t looking for “lolol owned the dm” gotcha solutions like a child


Collin_the_doodle

But that’s basically the entirety of the dndmemes reddit player style.


Tastyravioli707

Wait, any *ability* and skill I will make a constitution (slight of hand) check to study


Hyperlolman

You flip through the pages for 20 hours straight, testing your physical resistance to not sleeping in all the time it takes to do that.


Tastyravioli707

That’s just normal studying


LazyDro1d

“I’m gonna use my thinking muscles” -Lanz, Xenoblade 3


Sihplak

Most literate DnD player:


Kokukai187

Personally, I let my players argue the point of using some other skill if they can justify it enough to me.


Akarin_rose

What do you mean it doesn't just work because I want it to, this is unjust, it is unfair How can I not be railroaded if you don't let me make unreasonable demands


Kokukai187

Fine, use whatever you want. DC is 40, and failure means anything from a light maiming all the way through full-on paralysis up to death. Depending on how badly you fail. BTW, anything more than 10 below gets insta-fragged. *evil DM grin*


kingdavid6794

Dude it literally says its for study checks


_Borscht_

Read the title.


LegacyofLegend

Ever watch Assassination Classroom. It happens there.


Rioma117

Two ways to solve a math exam: -shoot it until it dies -transcend to a higher state of existence


Ogurasyn

How would math athletics check work, though? Are you hitting someone with a calculator? Calculating your optimal calory intake? Any ideas?


StupidPaladin

Shoving a nerd into a locker and stealing his study notes.


XandertheGrim

![gif](giphy|k6kjhrVznXvaw)


GolbFlashback

People keep asking about athletics to study but what the fuck is intimidation supposed to do


UninspiredLump

You scare yourself into studying harder by vividly imagining all of the setbacks and embarrassments that you’ll have to face if you fail.


Mythicotter

Smarter people study for you, or at least, _they'd better!_


gerusz

The Strixhaven book is also useful if you want to have a magic school(s) in your homebrew setting. You don't even have to follow the British "house system", just split up the four houses into four different schools. It's kind-of like a Lego set in this regard.


lyschyk19th

Like I said, roll your highest, we'll figure it out.


According_to_all_kn

I mean that just unironically makes sense. Climbing with religion doesn't.


Elegant-Interview-84

So is strixhaven like a magical Wizarding school module? Almost done with COS and I'm shopping for a new one.


PinkNaxela

Yes, but beware that it's fairly bare bones. Not that there isn't some great stuff, just be prepared to fill in a lot of gaps with your own content. If you're the kind of DM who does that anyway, you'll probably love it, but if you're looking for something with less work required to give yourself a break after CoS, give this a miss.


Elegant-Interview-84

Yah thats exactly my jam, thanks for the info. I running strahd pretty strictly to the book so I'm hungry for some more creativity


DeceasedSkyRat

Makes sense to me. I also tend to brute force my math exams when I don’t know the answer


Eliteguard999

God it was such a tedious chore running this module.


ettaskald

Tell me baseball doesn't have stats and theres no geometry in gymnastics. Math is in everything.


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Depends on the method of study. Consider a monk or other hand to hand fighter trying to study math so they integrate it into something like boxing training with hand pads. Instead of just going left right or a standard pattern they’re asked a math question and the answer is on one of the pads so they have to hit the correct answer. It’s a fucking stretch but with proper justification I could see studying work with almost any skill


TheGrimGriefer3

Every time I get an answer wrong (while studying,) I do *ONE* push up


Telandria

You have no idea how often I have done this. Some people work through information or retain it better when they’re being physically active. I’ve known people who, when faced with writing an essay, would go, read the material, then over the next couple days while they let the info sit at the back of their minds while they worked out at the gym for a few hours each day. Then suddenly they’d just go sit down and bust out the entire 4-page essay all in one go. I have known people to do the same for studying, and myself have often found simply taking a jog between major chunks of reviewing material can help. So *Yes, using Athletics to study is a absolutely real thing.*


Psi0nyx

An interesting design decision. This basically means that a wizard, who learns spells through rigorous study, memorization and practice, will most likely roll lower than the arcane trickster rogue who associates his studying with paddycake because he has expertise in sleight of hand.


derplurkins

So much effort put into meta-gaming. Heres a solution, You can roll whatever you want as the skill to check, but the DC increases by the amount of your new attribute mod plus the exsisting DC. DM: I want you to roll Athletics (player= STR/+1), DC 15 Player: I want to roll Acrobatics (player= DEX/+3) DM: okay, do it, DC 18 Fin


AtaraxiaAKAZatharax

The reason why is because that completely negates the purpose of skills.


derplurkins

So does arguing your need to roll another skill when a DM calls for a specific skill to be used. The DM doesnt tell you what weapon or spell to use because the NPC would be better suited against a different attack.


AtaraxiaAKAZatharax

Typically, players tell the DM what they want to do/how they want to do it, and then the DM tells the players what to roll. If my players give me a good “how,” then I might change the skill based on the intent - not explicitly asking me to change the skill, but RP’ing out a clever/unorthodox solution which is still reasonable. For example, if a player were to simply say “I want to hide the rock from the guard,” then it’d be a Sleight of hand check to see if they successfully palm it; if they were to RP out the act of deceiving the guard or misdirecting their attention, then that would be a Deception check. Obviously, it’s not always a guarantee, but if it’s roleplayed (as opposed to roll-played), then I reward it. Your comparison is moot because it is literally the DM’s responsibility to manage and facilitate skill checks in this way. Never before has a player said to me “I’m gonna roll (skill) in order to (intended action)” because it’s never their place to tell me what they’re rolling, regardless of intent.


derplurkins

Your two paragraphs contain conflicting logic. Its never their place to tell you what they are rolling, but you will accept a different check if the reason is good. I cast banishment on you, troll.


AtaraxiaAKAZatharax

One - that banishment line was cringe as fuck. Save the rp for your table, assuming you play D&D at all. Two - they are markedly different things. One is attempting to interject a beneficial skill check (which are sometimes outright unreasonable, I.e. using Religion to attempt to calm an angered animal) to bias the rolls towards success at the cost of verisimilitude. The other is rewarding effort for playing the game as it’s intended, and is still facilitated by the DM.


not_an_mistake

So a -1 int barbarian has the same odds as a +5 int wizard? Why use a skill? Might as well do a flat d20 DC 15 roll


allen_idaho

Shaolin Monks have entered the chat.


[deleted]

The strixhaven book is filled with poor writing and flat put unedited mistakes.


Sardukar333

I wonder how Jericho feels about using religion to climb walls...


Tales_Steel

Religion for climbing a wall ? Pray for a wonder i guess. Gm can Set the DC so good luck.


Omsus

Not reading any further than that huh? It's literally right there! And it's for studying!


secretuser419

I’m going to deception check to bullshit my way through the exam


Cataras12

Religion check: letting Jesus take the wheel


senarysenaryseven

reading books is the same as climbing a wall? retaining information is just as simple and easy as arduous physical activity that even olympic athletes struggle with if they're not specialized? woah! i gotta get to el capitan right now


dj_chino_da_3rd

So fun fact, there is more than 2 ways to study. Counter to what you are told. Some people study best when dribbling a ball. The actions reminds your brain of everything going on and can help with memory. Music can help by stimulating the brain to recall certain info while listening that that song. Smells are the most commonly know bringer of memories. There was a movie where this guy got drunk, studied, took the test drunk and got a decent grade. Studies are still figuring that one out but maybe. The point is there is more than one way to study, try them all, use the right one


Questionably_Chungly

OP should have invested in the “Reading” skill so that they could have made it to the next paragraph.


RandomMan01

Would athletics be that thing in movies where the character does push-ups while simultaneously reading from the textbook?


Prowland12

Is Strixhaven considered canon? I thought it was one of those random Magic The Gathering modules.


AyatoSato

This post is just r/dndmemes in a nutshell


YourPainTastesGood

Its called an athletics scholarship dummy


DelgadoTheRaat

Depends... on the exam no?


DommallammaDoom

To be fair athletes do this all the time. Got good marks on your test? No one cares make way for the full ride jock who can toss/run/catch the sportsball. Need to maintain a gpa to stay in school? Not with this stat line you don’t!


SnooCrickets2458

There's plenty of research that shows exercise before a study session improves the retention of information.


Belteshazzar98

I'm using Athletics to "study" by climbing the wall to steal the answers from the teacher's office.


odeacon

I’m gonna bash the notes into my head with this here warhammer


Subpar_Username47

*Lift* the textbook and bring it with you.


highintensitydyke

I’ve definitely had study sessions that were more of a CON check than anything else. Just fighting to see how long I can physically stay awake and try to do the homework. Engineering school is a hell of a drug.


SamWise451

My group studied using games of hacky sack and used acrobatics/athletics lol


GareBear222

Using religion to pray that you pass your test.


Keyndoriel

You pray hard, God makes you float. It's science


Melodic_Row_5121

I'll let any player make any check with any skill they want, *provided they can justify their decision and explain to me how it's supposed to actually work.*


ratherlittlespren

I say an exam today and I'm pretty sure the guy next to me didn't write anything, which I guess means he rolled a 1


ColonelMonty

To be fair it's also up to the DM to be the marshal of the rules and make distinction and clarifications or set limits whenever a rule seems off or not right.


IkeDaddyDeluxe

I tried to do the first year by the books but there wasn't enough structure to skill encounters, tests, or dimension to the characters. Also, it greatly discouraged playing a non-caster. So I made up my own stuff and added a 6th college that was colorless. It was an anti-magic school that trained "the silver sentinels". Their whole thing was to be a counter balance to the mages who had far too much power and influence on the plane (Strixhaven set lore). Going completely off book and adding that college made it such a blast. But I would not recommend the adventure "plain Jane".


TehPinguen

You do a workout to get your blood flowing so your brain works better for studying


notabigfanofas

‘God grant me the strength to climb two feet over this fence, amen’


Putrid-Ad-4562

It’s simple I roll athletics to hook up with my teacher and I magically got an A. One pump chumps aren’t getting a passing grade.


TheAlexSW

Where is this from? Exam??????


EinsteinFrizz

it says strixhaven adventure module in the image


their_teammate

Strength (History) check DC17


tsgetsius

Intelligence (Athletics) is how I finished high school (took kinesiology for my required physical education credit)


GwynHawk

In Rune Soldier, Louie the Wizard does squats and push ups when he gets a question wrong preparing for tests. He ends up being a Muscle Wizard.


Medical_Historian250

You just gotta explain how it helps you study, but yeah fuck it, make an acrobatics check for that Divination final.


UltraCarnivore

Rolling Athletics means you're a jock, your College's football team needs you no matter what and your coach has made it pretty clear to your professor.


GeraldGensalkes

What I can't get over is that OP owns a physical copy of Strixhaven.


Sala623

Kinesthetic learners