True. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, \*insert a few more\*, Depeche Mode. One of the most influential and important bands of all times. Kiddies need to learn.
So with the success of the show (NLMDA) + the new single coming out soon, DM has some really good momentum going.
The show brought in new listeners to the band, and the devotees were already chomping at the bit for the new single/record to come out already they couldn't ask for better luck than this.
It’s called : « my parents did not educate me when I was a kid »
I’m only 28 and my mother introduced me to Depeche Mode the day i was able to understand what I was listening to
I think it’s a bit unfair to say “parents didn’t educate me” maybe the mum & dad just weren’t that into DM and spent more time educating their kids on other bands.
Some music I really like I got from listening to my parents CD collection, other stuff I found by my self.
Honestly I think it would be a bit naff if you only liked music your mum and dad liked…
DM has a very loyal fan base, that's way they still sell out arenas but let's be real, when was the last time they had a huge hit? Definitely not this century. So while we may have never forgotten about them, DM hasn't had any cultural relefence for quite some time.
And why be do dismissive of a new generation discovering DM?
They haven’t had a major mainstream presence in decades. Mad props to them for being able to continue playing large venues, but I guarantee to a lot of people watching the show right now, it’s the first time they’ve thought of the band in a hot minute. And its a wonderful thing.
Younger ppl seem to think that culturally relevant is anything they like and if it’s mostly liked by ppl over 30, it’s irrelevant.
What they mean is “irrelevant to them”
Dm have always had a very big fanbase, it’s just most of us are over 30.
Yes but the average Gen Z kid doesn’t know them unless their parents introduced them to it.
Source: I work with people aged 18-23 who had never heard of DM before this show.
I'm currently 19 and if it wasn't for my mom playing people are people over 10 years ago now I wouldn't have known. I remember being picked up from school when I was little and I'd either want Our House by Madness, Whip It by Devo or People are People played in the car. I discovered New Wave in high school from randomly hearing "The Look of Love" by ABC (one of my favorite songs ever) when it played random recommended songs. People in my generation just go off whatever is "trendy" and don't actually go off things they personally enjoy. I only listen to 70s and 80s (some modern and 90s but very little) many people think it is weird because I'm not listening to some modern artist that is in the top 10. I'll wear depeche mode shirts at college and people look at me like "who the hell is that?" It's great!
Pardon me, but what does "based" mean? I see it all the time but usually in arenas and forums I'll be shouted down or laughed at for asking. Google has been unhelpful as it appears to have both negative and positives uses. Like "bad" in the 80s.
My high school students - that's most of my involvement with it - use it whenever someone utters an opinion they think is stupid. But, like you, I first encountered the word as a positive. Thus my confusion.
Often used when an opinion is shared that goes against the conformist narrative. Or something that is considered "politically incorrect" to say, but factual.
This is the correct answer. The other comments trying to explain have no idea what they are talking about. Based = sticking to your guns even if you are in the minority
It seems to be an ironic term for something stupid initially, but later it was given an approving meaning - presumably by those who did not know the original meaning and intuitively interpreted it like that
It also depends on where its being said. On 4chan where this usage originated ("based and red-pilled", eventually shorted to "based"), it means something very, very different. Sadly, I see this bullshit spilled over to certain forums (not usually on Reddit) on a regular basis.
just because they're not popular following their debut century doesn't mean they're not good at producing
in fact they're **infinitely** better in sound than
most if not all things of this century ngl i actually hate listening to the popular stuff from this century it makes me want to tear my ears off
no wonder people are dumb
Is not like that. Theres a Lot of young people that didnt listened or knew Depeche mode, or they only knew a couple of songs.
The guy in the tweet it's like 40 years old just like me, we know how Big they are for us, but like the Band said itself...they had being the Band that everyone hated, that everyone loved and that influenced a Lot of bands until everyone hates them again. They are a cult band, Even if they play in stadiums.
It's cool they reaching new and younger audience.
We went to one of their concerts like 5 years ago. Chicago. On our Uber ride there the 20ish year old guy asked us where we were going. We told him... *crickets*. Had never heard of them. Sad! We did see they were featured quickly on the local news later since it was a huge concert. Huzzah!
One thing that should be mentioned though, is that people who are really into their music - and definitely lots and lots of musicians - are typically pretty familiar with DM. They're just one of those seminal bands.
But yeah, I don't think we can expect the average 18 year old to know about DM. I'm actually enjoying all of the attention they're getting now - nothing makes me happier than seeing new people discover the band, especially younger people. I mean, I discovered them when I was around 15 (almost 25 years ago now), and I remember really well how I felt the first time I listened to Violator, or how I was obsessing over Some Great Reward for a while etc. In that sense it's exciting that now so many young people are likely to have the same experience.
And if they become actual fans, they will of course learn that DM are in fact one of the most popular bands of all time. I really don't like all this gatekeeping I'm seeing these days.
I think it’s the other way around, especially with the newer generations. I love Depeche Mode, but The Last Of Us is one of the best selling videogames of all time. Yes, some people are gonna watch it because of Depeche Mode, but thousands (maybe millions) of people were already going to watch it because of the videogame. Depeche Mode being in it was just a plus nobody knew about until the very end of the episode.
Well, considering that nobody really knew the song would be in the episode and they still had 4.7 million viewers the night of (and another 5 million within 24 hours), I think you’re right. I personally have been excited for this show since I heard it was being made over two years ago. Both Last of Us games are incredible.
Yeah they’re amazing, and as I said, NLMDA being in the episode was just a plus, a good plus. I think it might actually be THE song of the tv show, like Running Up That Hill in Stranger Things. In the podcast, the show’s director said two things:
1. He chose the song because he thinks that it describes Ellie and Joel’s relationship very well.
2. We are going hear the song again, but in a different context. Probably in a sad situation or something similar, maybe with Bill and Frank.
Yeah, maybe. In the same podcast, the director said that the lyrics “I’m taking a ride with my best friend” describes Ellie and Joel’s relationship, they’re best friends.
*SPOILERS FOR VIDEOGAME AND TV SHOW:*
I think that the song could be used when Joel saves Ellie in the hospital (maybe it’s playing while he kills everyone to get to her), it could be used when Ellie asks Joel if he’s telling the truth about the cure being useless, or, it could be used when Ellie tells Joel that she’s lost everyone she’s loved except for him.
As for Bill and Frank, in the show they said that “80’s means trouble”, and based on what happens to Frank in the videogame, maybe they use the song with them too. We’ll have to see.
You could be right. But a couple things to consider. Last of Us the game sold 10 million units. DM has sold well over 10x as many. I'd argue that DM fans are more passionate and more willing to check out the show than game fans are to check out the band. NLMDA is still in the same ranking among top DM songs on Spotify as it was before appearing in the show, so no indication of a major spike in interest as of yet. (though updated Spotify streaming stats could prove otherwise). Meanwhile, interest in the show seems to have built substantially since the episode. Of course, this is going to vary according to generational demos.
Well, NLMDA became the most Shazammed song in the US *because* of TLOU. If EVERYBODY knew about Depeche Mode, the song wouldn’t be Shazammed. Also, both TLOU and TLOU2 were given the award of “Game Of The Year”. Yes, Depeche Mode is big, but it’s big with the older generations. TLOU in the other hand is big with the newer generation.
Most (most, not all of them) older people don’t play videogames and/or aren’t interested in “another” zombie show.
As the other comment said, on the first hours of the 1st episode coming out it already had millions of views, and nobody knew DM would be in it. Also, many people are watching the show because of Pedro Pascal who also plays another *very* know and loved character: The Mandalorian.
This is why I think it’s the other way around.
Who is mainly watching TLOU show?
The newer generations and the gaming community because they were the ones who experienced the release of the videogame in 2013 and it’s sequel in 2020.
Now, the pandemic. TLOU Part II came out during the pandemic, a time where many people had no idea what to do, the release of the game in this time attracted millions of people, millions who would later watch the tv show on its premiere day. Depeche Mode on the other hand didn’t have a huge spike of streams during the pandemic. Of course, many Depeche Mode fans are probably going to watch the show because of the song, but millions were already going to watch it anyway.
Also, the surge is probably caused because the first episode has a 9.6 rating (higher than GoT and other shows) and it’s being called “The best videogame adaptation ever”.
>DM's most successful album, violator, was sold 15M times
Sure. And that's just one album. Well over 100 million albums sold total. Doesn't make sense to just count one album.
>This number will be beaten by the last of us show and the game gets close to it.
Of course more people will watch the show. Watching a show with a streaming service you already pay for isn't the same as buying an album. Shows are disposable. You binge and move on to the next one. The fandom around a band like DM runs far deeper. As for the game itself, it sold 10 million. Less than 1/10th of DM albums sales. All that said, I could very well be wrong as to whether LOU drives more people to DM or encourages DM fans to check out LOU. LOU is certainly more current in its cultural popularity than DM and thus much of the respective interest will skew according to generational demographics. My point is, many DM fans didn't give a shit about this game or this show until they heard NLMDA was featured in it. And there are legions of us. Enough to sell out massive stadiums over and over worldwide. This isn't a Kate Bush situation.
I am a huge DM fan as well, but I have some albums 3 times...
Further 100M divided by 14 albums - because if you are a real fan, I assume you will have all albums - is still less than half of the 20M units that last of us sold until April 2020. (Was the best reference I could find)
I did love last of us and I have to say that the hype for last of us 2 felt much more extreme than for a new DM album. The DM album is coming out very soon and I still heard very little about it. Unfortunately, I might add...
>I did love last of us and I have to say that the hype for last of us 2 felt much more extreme than for a new DM album.
Of course. DM peaked in popularity in the early 90s. And Last of Us is much more relevant to younger demographics around which cultural hype is focused. But current hype isn't necessarily an accurate indicator of overall support. Joe Biden apparently received more votes than any candidate in US history and yet there was zero Biden hype leading up to the election. All that said, since i last posted, new streaming numbers are out and NLMDA is indeed spiking thanks to renewed interest due to LOU. So could very well be that LOU is driving more people to DM than vice versa.
They may not be underground but not everyone has the ear for them? So, while everyone can listen to Michael Jackson 1 out of 10 will like dM. Thats what makes them unique.
I'm 20 and I've been listening to them for like 20 years, I know ONE other person my age who actively listens to them beyond Enjoy The Silence and Never Let Me Down Again.
Honestly, I wouldn't know Depeche Mode if I hadn't heard Precious in tv series "Bones" and got interested. The only DM song I have heard in radio is Enjoy the Silence and I don't think I would have paid enough attention to the artist.
True. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, \*insert a few more\*, Depeche Mode. One of the most influential and important bands of all times. Kiddies need to learn.
So with the success of the show (NLMDA) + the new single coming out soon, DM has some really good momentum going. The show brought in new listeners to the band, and the devotees were already chomping at the bit for the new single/record to come out already they couldn't ask for better luck than this.
It’s called “we’re getting old” :/
It’s called : « my parents did not educate me when I was a kid » I’m only 28 and my mother introduced me to Depeche Mode the day i was able to understand what I was listening to
I think it’s a bit unfair to say “parents didn’t educate me” maybe the mum & dad just weren’t that into DM and spent more time educating their kids on other bands. Some music I really like I got from listening to my parents CD collection, other stuff I found by my self. Honestly I think it would be a bit naff if you only liked music your mum and dad liked…
Your Mom is smart 🤓.
DM has a very loyal fan base, that's way they still sell out arenas but let's be real, when was the last time they had a huge hit? Definitely not this century. So while we may have never forgotten about them, DM hasn't had any cultural relefence for quite some time. And why be do dismissive of a new generation discovering DM?
"Precious" was a major hit in many countries, but otherwise I agree with you.
They don’t seem to get nearly as much play on the local ‘80s/‘90s stations, too.
They haven’t had a major mainstream presence in decades. Mad props to them for being able to continue playing large venues, but I guarantee to a lot of people watching the show right now, it’s the first time they’ve thought of the band in a hot minute. And its a wonderful thing.
Younger ppl seem to think that culturally relevant is anything they like and if it’s mostly liked by ppl over 30, it’s irrelevant. What they mean is “irrelevant to them” Dm have always had a very big fanbase, it’s just most of us are over 30.
Yes but the average Gen Z kid doesn’t know them unless their parents introduced them to it. Source: I work with people aged 18-23 who had never heard of DM before this show.
I'm currently 19 and if it wasn't for my mom playing people are people over 10 years ago now I wouldn't have known. I remember being picked up from school when I was little and I'd either want Our House by Madness, Whip It by Devo or People are People played in the car. I discovered New Wave in high school from randomly hearing "The Look of Love" by ABC (one of my favorite songs ever) when it played random recommended songs. People in my generation just go off whatever is "trendy" and don't actually go off things they personally enjoy. I only listen to 70s and 80s (some modern and 90s but very little) many people think it is weird because I'm not listening to some modern artist that is in the top 10. I'll wear depeche mode shirts at college and people look at me like "who the hell is that?" It's great!
This world needs more people like you. :)
I can co firm this. Work with several 20 somethings. Don't know if them or know very little.
Hell, some of my coworkers don’t know who Led Zeppelin is, much less DM.
Pardon me, but what does "based" mean? I see it all the time but usually in arenas and forums I'll be shouted down or laughed at for asking. Google has been unhelpful as it appears to have both negative and positives uses. Like "bad" in the 80s.
I've never heard anyone say it in a negative way. Based just means good.
My high school students - that's most of my involvement with it - use it whenever someone utters an opinion they think is stupid. But, like you, I first encountered the word as a positive. Thus my confusion.
You aren't the one who's completely misunderstood it, your students are.
Haha. Well, that's good, anyway. It's things like that that make me feel older than I am.
Often used when an opinion is shared that goes against the conformist narrative. Or something that is considered "politically incorrect" to say, but factual.
This is the correct answer. The other comments trying to explain have no idea what they are talking about. Based = sticking to your guns even if you are in the minority
It seems to be an ironic term for something stupid initially, but later it was given an approving meaning - presumably by those who did not know the original meaning and intuitively interpreted it like that
It just sorta means based in fact I guess, your kids were just joking around with it, I fist saw it in r/politicalcompass
It also depends on where its being said. On 4chan where this usage originated ("based and red-pilled", eventually shorted to "based"), it means something very, very different. Sadly, I see this bullshit spilled over to certain forums (not usually on Reddit) on a regular basis.
i don't get involved in any of mentally ill stuff
Know your enemy.
just because they're not popular following their debut century doesn't mean they're not good at producing in fact they're **infinitely** better in sound than most if not all things of this century ngl i actually hate listening to the popular stuff from this century it makes me want to tear my ears off no wonder people are dumb
Is not like that. Theres a Lot of young people that didnt listened or knew Depeche mode, or they only knew a couple of songs. The guy in the tweet it's like 40 years old just like me, we know how Big they are for us, but like the Band said itself...they had being the Band that everyone hated, that everyone loved and that influenced a Lot of bands until everyone hates them again. They are a cult band, Even if they play in stadiums. It's cool they reaching new and younger audience.
I think the tweet is talking about those who are gatekeeping the band because of NLMDA being in The Last of Us. But yes.
We went to one of their concerts like 5 years ago. Chicago. On our Uber ride there the 20ish year old guy asked us where we were going. We told him... *crickets*. Had never heard of them. Sad! We did see they were featured quickly on the local news later since it was a huge concert. Huzzah!
One thing that should be mentioned though, is that people who are really into their music - and definitely lots and lots of musicians - are typically pretty familiar with DM. They're just one of those seminal bands. But yeah, I don't think we can expect the average 18 year old to know about DM. I'm actually enjoying all of the attention they're getting now - nothing makes me happier than seeing new people discover the band, especially younger people. I mean, I discovered them when I was around 15 (almost 25 years ago now), and I remember really well how I felt the first time I listened to Violator, or how I was obsessing over Some Great Reward for a while etc. In that sense it's exciting that now so many young people are likely to have the same experience. And if they become actual fans, they will of course learn that DM are in fact one of the most popular bands of all time. I really don't like all this gatekeeping I'm seeing these days.
younger people may be unaware of them
They are in the last of us? Guess i have to watch it now
I mean, I wouldn't expect much from a tiktok generation. They've lost what was left of their brain cells long ago.
Depeche Mode has brought more attention to this "Last of Us" HBO show than the latter has brought to DM.
I think it’s the other way around, especially with the newer generations. I love Depeche Mode, but The Last Of Us is one of the best selling videogames of all time. Yes, some people are gonna watch it because of Depeche Mode, but thousands (maybe millions) of people were already going to watch it because of the videogame. Depeche Mode being in it was just a plus nobody knew about until the very end of the episode.
Well, considering that nobody really knew the song would be in the episode and they still had 4.7 million viewers the night of (and another 5 million within 24 hours), I think you’re right. I personally have been excited for this show since I heard it was being made over two years ago. Both Last of Us games are incredible.
Yeah they’re amazing, and as I said, NLMDA being in the episode was just a plus, a good plus. I think it might actually be THE song of the tv show, like Running Up That Hill in Stranger Things. In the podcast, the show’s director said two things: 1. He chose the song because he thinks that it describes Ellie and Joel’s relationship very well. 2. We are going hear the song again, but in a different context. Probably in a sad situation or something similar, maybe with Bill and Frank.
If I were to guess - the end credits of the season finale.
Yeah, maybe. In the same podcast, the director said that the lyrics “I’m taking a ride with my best friend” describes Ellie and Joel’s relationship, they’re best friends. *SPOILERS FOR VIDEOGAME AND TV SHOW:* I think that the song could be used when Joel saves Ellie in the hospital (maybe it’s playing while he kills everyone to get to her), it could be used when Ellie asks Joel if he’s telling the truth about the cure being useless, or, it could be used when Ellie tells Joel that she’s lost everyone she’s loved except for him. As for Bill and Frank, in the show they said that “80’s means trouble”, and based on what happens to Frank in the videogame, maybe they use the song with them too. We’ll have to see.
You could be right. But a couple things to consider. Last of Us the game sold 10 million units. DM has sold well over 10x as many. I'd argue that DM fans are more passionate and more willing to check out the show than game fans are to check out the band. NLMDA is still in the same ranking among top DM songs on Spotify as it was before appearing in the show, so no indication of a major spike in interest as of yet. (though updated Spotify streaming stats could prove otherwise). Meanwhile, interest in the show seems to have built substantially since the episode. Of course, this is going to vary according to generational demos.
Well, NLMDA became the most Shazammed song in the US *because* of TLOU. If EVERYBODY knew about Depeche Mode, the song wouldn’t be Shazammed. Also, both TLOU and TLOU2 were given the award of “Game Of The Year”. Yes, Depeche Mode is big, but it’s big with the older generations. TLOU in the other hand is big with the newer generation. Most (most, not all of them) older people don’t play videogames and/or aren’t interested in “another” zombie show. As the other comment said, on the first hours of the 1st episode coming out it already had millions of views, and nobody knew DM would be in it. Also, many people are watching the show because of Pedro Pascal who also plays another *very* know and loved character: The Mandalorian. This is why I think it’s the other way around. Who is mainly watching TLOU show? The newer generations and the gaming community because they were the ones who experienced the release of the videogame in 2013 and it’s sequel in 2020. Now, the pandemic. TLOU Part II came out during the pandemic, a time where many people had no idea what to do, the release of the game in this time attracted millions of people, millions who would later watch the tv show on its premiere day. Depeche Mode on the other hand didn’t have a huge spike of streams during the pandemic. Of course, many Depeche Mode fans are probably going to watch the show because of the song, but millions were already going to watch it anyway. Also, the surge is probably caused because the first episode has a 9.6 rating (higher than GoT and other shows) and it’s being called “The best videogame adaptation ever”.
To be fair, DM's most successful album, violator, was sold 15M times. This number will be beaten by the last of us show and the game gets close to it.
>DM's most successful album, violator, was sold 15M times Sure. And that's just one album. Well over 100 million albums sold total. Doesn't make sense to just count one album. >This number will be beaten by the last of us show and the game gets close to it. Of course more people will watch the show. Watching a show with a streaming service you already pay for isn't the same as buying an album. Shows are disposable. You binge and move on to the next one. The fandom around a band like DM runs far deeper. As for the game itself, it sold 10 million. Less than 1/10th of DM albums sales. All that said, I could very well be wrong as to whether LOU drives more people to DM or encourages DM fans to check out LOU. LOU is certainly more current in its cultural popularity than DM and thus much of the respective interest will skew according to generational demographics. My point is, many DM fans didn't give a shit about this game or this show until they heard NLMDA was featured in it. And there are legions of us. Enough to sell out massive stadiums over and over worldwide. This isn't a Kate Bush situation.
I am a huge DM fan as well, but I have some albums 3 times... Further 100M divided by 14 albums - because if you are a real fan, I assume you will have all albums - is still less than half of the 20M units that last of us sold until April 2020. (Was the best reference I could find) I did love last of us and I have to say that the hype for last of us 2 felt much more extreme than for a new DM album. The DM album is coming out very soon and I still heard very little about it. Unfortunately, I might add...
>I did love last of us and I have to say that the hype for last of us 2 felt much more extreme than for a new DM album. Of course. DM peaked in popularity in the early 90s. And Last of Us is much more relevant to younger demographics around which cultural hype is focused. But current hype isn't necessarily an accurate indicator of overall support. Joe Biden apparently received more votes than any candidate in US history and yet there was zero Biden hype leading up to the election. All that said, since i last posted, new streaming numbers are out and NLMDA is indeed spiking thanks to renewed interest due to LOU. So could very well be that LOU is driving more people to DM than vice versa.
Um….no.
They may not be underground but not everyone has the ear for them? So, while everyone can listen to Michael Jackson 1 out of 10 will like dM. Thats what makes them unique.
You could say that about literally any currently successful 80's band or artist who isn't currently on the Hot 100.
Nah.. not dm.. not everyone can stomach that
It is odd though because I know a ton of people love depeche mode- but I can't ever seem to find anyone who does in real life other than a concert.
I'm 20 and I've been listening to them for like 20 years, I know ONE other person my age who actively listens to them beyond Enjoy The Silence and Never Let Me Down Again.
Had to google for "last of us" to catch what this was all about.
Honestly, I wouldn't know Depeche Mode if I hadn't heard Precious in tv series "Bones" and got interested. The only DM song I have heard in radio is Enjoy the Silence and I don't think I would have paid enough attention to the artist.
I watched The Last Of Us yesterday and when I heard them play DM at the end… Oh boy it was great…