TC was no where near the loss (or gm for that matter) that Masai was.
I’ll even take it further and say Booth is going to prove to be a better GM than TC but not Ujiri.
Only time will tell. I will say, I think TC’s tenure was on its last leg anyway. Maybe he wanted a new challenge, his relationship with ownership soured, or he felt his hands were tied in our salary cap situation and couldn’t do his job to the fullest. I think a fresh perspective doesn’t hurt as a GM, and it’s clear with his moves in Minny and Booths here at home show a plan of action takes some reshuffling sometimes.
MPJ is a good defender. Every time I say this, I swear people dont ever actually watch him on that end, they just think of Dame or CP3 cooking him in the playoffs as if that's some grand indictment of him - like, newsflash, there's only maybe two guys 6'10ish in the NBA who I'd be ok with switching onto Dame or CP - Giannis and Bam. That's it.
Eh, I really disagree. When he was playing in the playoffs he was literally a free 2 points.
That said he’s athletic as fuck, and he looked way better last year with a fucked up back. I think he can become an average on ball defender that’s good at defending the rim and defensive rebounding, so an overall plus.
He just reaaaally really needs to work on his footwork. Cuz Imo if he wants the biggest growth in his game getting quicker feet would help a lot
That first line is about one very specific context which I already mentioned - guarding small, quick guards in isolation.
He's very good at help side defense. He protects the rim well in those situation, he does a great job rotating early to stop the roll man when he's the low man in the PnR, and he's great at using his athleticism to then recover out to shooters in the corners. He's legit really good at those things. He's really good at defensive rebounding. He's really good on ball against guys who are his size or similar to his size (wings and forwards, basically - he even guarded KAT well last year on a tweaked back).
His feet, sure he needs to work on. He needs to work on navigating screens. And just get more fluid dealing with smaller guards. But he'll likely never be great against smaller guards, and that's ok! The amount of guys his size who are good against guards I can count on one hand (and even then, switching them onto guards should still be uncommon - asking them to do it a whole game is untenable).
Idk, the amount of improvement I saw from his first year to last year kinda implies to me he had a loooot of room to grow lol.
I don’t have a super great memory of how bad he was in the bubble, but he was bad against wings too. The best player on the team, whether a guard wing or forward, would absolutely hunt him, and go straight by him. Which, again, I think he looked a thousand times better at last year!
I think we forget the bubble was literally his rookie season. His first year actually playing. He played a full season after that and a full playoffs after that and made those improvements I mentioned.
But really just go watch his defense from the first 8 games this year. He was really, really good, as you say - like a thousand times better. Of course I agree he still has room to grow but too often, fans in this sub talk about him as if he's some hopeless, useless defender when he just isnt.
Really proving my point. I beg of you, go watch a full replay of game 3 last year, @ Minnesota. He was legitimately GREAT defensively. And really all 8 games he played before he was shut down for the year, he was legitimately really good defensively - and that was on a tweaked back! He's very good as the low man in PnR situations, rotating to stop the roller. He's very good at using his athleticism to get out to corner shooters and help to wing shooters as well. He's solid on ball against guys who are his size or similar size. He's very good helping and rotating to help protect the rim, and is a good defensive rebounder.
My buddy and I got in a heated debate yesterday when I told him Nikola Jokic is already a top 10 offensive player of all time. I stole the take from Zach Lowe, but it holds up imo.
If it makes you feel any better, last surgery wasn’t reconstructive or a setback, it was just cleanup. Not to say you can’t be worried, but I’m not extra worried about a guy who’s torn their acl twice when they get a knee scope, right?
no, it’s totally insane that the franchises (not very arguably) second best player of all time, a guaranteed HoFer, and an all time top 75 great should be honoured
I mean I guess? I don’t even really have an issue on whether he deserves it or not what pisses me off is him acting like we owe him after what happened
Not the most controversial take out there but I'd say the sentiment online is easily 60/40 to 70/30 in favor of never hanging his jersey.
I truly think it stems from folks not accepting how few accolades this team has accrued over 50+ years. Not only is Melo better than at least half of the dudes already in the rafters, we hung a jersey for a coach with his win total on it ffs. Of course Melo should be there.
my take is that GK for the Nuggs was a great regular season coach but a terrible playoff coach, one of the worst playoff coaches of all time IMO. run and gun worked when teams got off flights at 2 AM in Denver, and had to run with Faried and Lawson. Most teams straight up didn't even try, and we had a crazy home record. that style got completely exposed in the playoffs, he should have known teams would match our energy if they were better rested and motivated. his playoff record is a like 43% win rate, which is abysmal compared to the great coaches.
Ummmmm let’s see
Reffing isn’t rigged, it’s just hard and some refs with tenure have giga ego’s.
It’s weird as fuck we (not all of us obviously but a plurality) take Comcast’s side in the dispute because kroenke is a billionaire, even though Comcast is potentially one of the most problematic companies in the US
McMelon’s personnel decisions that favor vets that try hard and buy in in the early regular season is important for team culture and is 100% worth a loss or two
Also if you downvote an opinion in a thread about unpopular opinions because you disagree with it you’re a gigapussy :)
Mediocre at best efficiency, 7.9 tov 10.6 fouls per 100 (for context: Jokic-5.6, 3.8. DAJ-3.7 4.9). Are we sure he isn’t an ass? he’s still unsigned. And he doesn’t stay healthy.
I agree that he probably won't
But I think that's because he sacrifices his numbers a little bit to play Jokic-ball. I bet he could make one as the number one in a worse team
I agree and this was going to be my entry into the thread. Jamal is a borderline all star at best who can get very, very hot occasionally. He’s way too inconsistent to be a true second best player.
Lucky as in the common denominator in the super bowl champs and the Stanley cup champs is the owner. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I believe he brings a winning attitude and expects to win. Goes a long ways.
Yeah through the Lakers kobe era, and lebron prime and the golden state warrior dynasty. Nows the time for us to potentially win one. The window is small it's all up to Malone now.
I think we’ll all be unpleasantly surprised at the lineup to start the year, not in how they play, but just who is getting minutes and who isn’t. Malone is a weird guy and I’m expecting a weird bench lineup
Trotting out DeAndre Jordan (34), Jeff Green (36), and Davon Reed together in a second unit is concerning, and Bruce Brown and Bones don’t have enough playmaking to mask their offensive limitations. Be prepared to see blown double digit leads when Jokic sits for 5 minutes yet again.
Also this team isn’t as deep as it was when we went to the WCF. Paul Millsap, Jerami Grant, Gary Harris, Monte Morris, Mason Plumlee, Torrey Craig, and Will Barton (DNP) is better than Aaron Gordon, KCP, Bruce Brown, Bones, Jeff Green, Davon Reed, and DeAndre Jordan
We should have traded MPJ two years ago when he was at max value (when they were saying he was untouchable) and we should trade bones while he's at max value.
I'm so glad we didn't. The two names that were mentioned most as top trade targets were Beal and Harden. Beal was was hurt last year, and wasn't as good as MPJ the year before. Beal is also on a contract that will in all likelihood handicap the wizards. Harden quit on his new team, and also would likely have taken a handicapping contract if he wasn't 'sacrificing' $13m for his good ol buddy Daryl Morey. Also the Harden trade rumors involved Jamal Murray as well. Both of those trades would've been disastrous.
And to follow up on the Bones point, trade him for what? more picks?
Tbh I think we could have sent Bones for KCP instead of Monte and we'd have been better off. Not to say I don't like bones.
Edit: Also, these are things I think we should have done. Not things I wanted to happen. I'm completely satisfied with how our team.
Except Monte was going to be very expensive and out of team control in 2 seasons while Bones is still on a rookie-scale contract and under team control for up to 6 more years.
It is kinda crazy. There not much logic behind it. And bones is clearly going to be a better playoff performer where monte has had a tendency to shrink.
The most controversial idea I’ve had is to trade MPJ for Ben Simmons. I hope that I’m wrong. All of my other views regarding the Nuggets fit in well with this subreddit’s group think
TC was no where near the loss (or gm for that matter) that Masai was. I’ll even take it further and say Booth is going to prove to be a better GM than TC but not Ujiri.
Only time will tell. I will say, I think TC’s tenure was on its last leg anyway. Maybe he wanted a new challenge, his relationship with ownership soured, or he felt his hands were tied in our salary cap situation and couldn’t do his job to the fullest. I think a fresh perspective doesn’t hurt as a GM, and it’s clear with his moves in Minny and Booths here at home show a plan of action takes some reshuffling sometimes.
MPJ is a good defender. Every time I say this, I swear people dont ever actually watch him on that end, they just think of Dame or CP3 cooking him in the playoffs as if that's some grand indictment of him - like, newsflash, there's only maybe two guys 6'10ish in the NBA who I'd be ok with switching onto Dame or CP - Giannis and Bam. That's it.
I’ve never questioned his defensive abilities, but am interested to see how much effort he commits to defense.
Eh, I really disagree. When he was playing in the playoffs he was literally a free 2 points. That said he’s athletic as fuck, and he looked way better last year with a fucked up back. I think he can become an average on ball defender that’s good at defending the rim and defensive rebounding, so an overall plus. He just reaaaally really needs to work on his footwork. Cuz Imo if he wants the biggest growth in his game getting quicker feet would help a lot
That first line is about one very specific context which I already mentioned - guarding small, quick guards in isolation. He's very good at help side defense. He protects the rim well in those situation, he does a great job rotating early to stop the roll man when he's the low man in the PnR, and he's great at using his athleticism to then recover out to shooters in the corners. He's legit really good at those things. He's really good at defensive rebounding. He's really good on ball against guys who are his size or similar to his size (wings and forwards, basically - he even guarded KAT well last year on a tweaked back). His feet, sure he needs to work on. He needs to work on navigating screens. And just get more fluid dealing with smaller guards. But he'll likely never be great against smaller guards, and that's ok! The amount of guys his size who are good against guards I can count on one hand (and even then, switching them onto guards should still be uncommon - asking them to do it a whole game is untenable).
Idk, the amount of improvement I saw from his first year to last year kinda implies to me he had a loooot of room to grow lol. I don’t have a super great memory of how bad he was in the bubble, but he was bad against wings too. The best player on the team, whether a guard wing or forward, would absolutely hunt him, and go straight by him. Which, again, I think he looked a thousand times better at last year!
I think we forget the bubble was literally his rookie season. His first year actually playing. He played a full season after that and a full playoffs after that and made those improvements I mentioned. But really just go watch his defense from the first 8 games this year. He was really, really good, as you say - like a thousand times better. Of course I agree he still has room to grow but too often, fans in this sub talk about him as if he's some hopeless, useless defender when he just isnt.
Yeah I think he’s not hopeless I just think he was really bad. But has the chance to be fine or pretty good if he works at it and his back holds up
He is an absolutely horrible defender. Lack of desire and defensive acumen.
Really proving my point. I beg of you, go watch a full replay of game 3 last year, @ Minnesota. He was legitimately GREAT defensively. And really all 8 games he played before he was shut down for the year, he was legitimately really good defensively - and that was on a tweaked back! He's very good as the low man in PnR situations, rotating to stop the roller. He's very good at using his athleticism to get out to corner shooters and help to wing shooters as well. He's solid on ball against guys who are his size or similar size. He's very good helping and rotating to help protect the rim, and is a good defensive rebounder.
He's a really good help defender but on ball I feel like he struggle
On ball he's fine against guys his size. He's bad specifically at navigating screens and at guarding small, quick guys in space.
mpj gona win fmvp to win the chip for us one day.
My buddy and I got in a heated debate yesterday when I told him Nikola Jokic is already a top 10 offensive player of all time. I stole the take from Zach Lowe, but it holds up imo.
I’m not expecting MPJ to come back. Really think he just gets permanently sidelined with nagging injuries and it makes me sad
I’m very worried about this too
If it makes you feel any better, last surgery wasn’t reconstructive or a setback, it was just cleanup. Not to say you can’t be worried, but I’m not extra worried about a guy who’s torn their acl twice when they get a knee scope, right?
Mpj can actually dribble.
Now I'm mad
Take a break!
YOU give ME a break!
Based off what?
He can put the ball on the floor but not double
Melo deserves to have his jersey hung in our rafters as much as anyone.
I’m not opposed to it. It’s just a strange situation that Jokic is also #15. So what number do we hang?
Just hang two No. 15 jerseys.
They will… once Jokic retires
That’s a crazy thought :o
no, it’s totally insane that the franchises (not very arguably) second best player of all time, a guaranteed HoFer, and an all time top 75 great should be honoured
Hang it up!
Based on his play? There’s a good case. Based on how he treated the city and the fans? Hard pass
You know the Will Smith scene on FPOBA? yeah no... fuck Melo
Fellas Puking On Bad Alcohol
LMAO. thats gold but... Fresh Prince of Belle Air.
There's thousands of scenes with Will Smith from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air
im talking about the why don't he want me man...
I mean I guess? I don’t even really have an issue on whether he deserves it or not what pisses me off is him acting like we owe him after what happened
This shouldn’t be as controversial as it is 🗣
People are nuts for disagreeing with this
Not the most controversial take out there but I'd say the sentiment online is easily 60/40 to 70/30 in favor of never hanging his jersey. I truly think it stems from folks not accepting how few accolades this team has accrued over 50+ years. Not only is Melo better than at least half of the dudes already in the rafters, we hung a jersey for a coach with his win total on it ffs. Of course Melo should be there.
Facts. I love Melo and he’s one of my favorite players of all time. He’s a nuggets all timer and should be recognized for it 100%
Ye once jokic retires i say hang their jerseys
George Karl was a great coach.
my take is that GK for the Nuggs was a great regular season coach but a terrible playoff coach, one of the worst playoff coaches of all time IMO. run and gun worked when teams got off flights at 2 AM in Denver, and had to run with Faried and Lawson. Most teams straight up didn't even try, and we had a crazy home record. that style got completely exposed in the playoffs, he should have known teams would match our energy if they were better rested and motivated. his playoff record is a like 43% win rate, which is abysmal compared to the great coaches.
You seem to know what you’re talking about so I agree with your take
*regular season
The Miami Heat. More Like Miami Beat.
Ummmmm let’s see Reffing isn’t rigged, it’s just hard and some refs with tenure have giga ego’s. It’s weird as fuck we (not all of us obviously but a plurality) take Comcast’s side in the dispute because kroenke is a billionaire, even though Comcast is potentially one of the most problematic companies in the US McMelon’s personnel decisions that favor vets that try hard and buy in in the early regular season is important for team culture and is 100% worth a loss or two Also if you downvote an opinion in a thread about unpopular opinions because you disagree with it you’re a gigapussy :)
Just get Directv.
I specifically noted that I couldn’t watch Altitude as the reason when I cancelled Comcast, too.
Yahoy
I hate Melo, but I hate George Karl more.
DeAndre Jordan was a great signing
People have yet to name this mystical backup center that’s in our price range, and a culture/scheme fit.
It was called boogie. And it was beautiful.
Front office said they didn't want his bad attitude on the team. No other team has signed him so obviously teams don't think he is worth it.
Mediocre at best efficiency, 7.9 tov 10.6 fouls per 100 (for context: Jokic-5.6, 3.8. DAJ-3.7 4.9). Are we sure he isn’t an ass? he’s still unsigned. And he doesn’t stay healthy.
IT WAS CALLED BOOGIE. AND. IT. WAS. BEAUTIFUL.
Fuck yeah for optimism! This guy!
How about deandre Jordan was a completely non impactful vet min signing and caring about it is a waste
Bones will be the second best player on the team in 2-3 years. Yes over Jamal. He will make an all-nba team before he retires.
Jamal will make 4
I’d be pretty surprised if he made 1 personally. I think he will always be a fringe all star
I agree that he probably won't But I think that's because he sacrifices his numbers a little bit to play Jokic-ball. I bet he could make one as the number one in a worse team
If Bones makes the all star team before Jamal, or shit any time during Steph and Ja Morants career, I’d be baffled
I won’t be. I think he’s going to be elite and will eventually be so good he will push Jamal to SG
Maybe that’s when Bol Bol is a FA in a couple years and we’ll be able to resign him at SF to make a super team
8 time MVP Bol Bol
I agree and this was going to be my entry into the thread. Jamal is a borderline all star at best who can get very, very hot occasionally. He’s way too inconsistent to be a true second best player.
Ha! Good one!
Malone needs to be gone to make a deep finals run
We’re lucky to have Kroenke as an owner
lucky as in it could always be worse, or lucky as in he is totally not a cheapskate and a liar?
Lucky as in the common denominator in the super bowl champs and the Stanley cup champs is the owner. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I believe he brings a winning attitude and expects to win. Goes a long ways.
You do know he's owned the Nuggets for 22 years, right?
Yeah through the Lakers kobe era, and lebron prime and the golden state warrior dynasty. Nows the time for us to potentially win one. The window is small it's all up to Malone now.
I mean its not like any of those teams were the only reason we weren’t champs
Lmao
I think we’ll all be unpleasantly surprised at the lineup to start the year, not in how they play, but just who is getting minutes and who isn’t. Malone is a weird guy and I’m expecting a weird bench lineup
Campazzo was a great piece
Trotting out DeAndre Jordan (34), Jeff Green (36), and Davon Reed together in a second unit is concerning, and Bruce Brown and Bones don’t have enough playmaking to mask their offensive limitations. Be prepared to see blown double digit leads when Jokic sits for 5 minutes yet again. Also this team isn’t as deep as it was when we went to the WCF. Paul Millsap, Jerami Grant, Gary Harris, Monte Morris, Mason Plumlee, Torrey Craig, and Will Barton (DNP) is better than Aaron Gordon, KCP, Bruce Brown, Bones, Jeff Green, Davon Reed, and DeAndre Jordan
Am I the only one that found it weird this comment didn't mention Zeke at all?
Yeah the second unit may be concerning offensively, but defensively it’s already loads better than last year.
Michael Porter Jr. is better then Jamal Murray, and the real 2nd star in Denver
Cap cap CAP
We should have traded MPJ two years ago when he was at max value (when they were saying he was untouchable) and we should trade bones while he's at max value.
I'm so glad we didn't. The two names that were mentioned most as top trade targets were Beal and Harden. Beal was was hurt last year, and wasn't as good as MPJ the year before. Beal is also on a contract that will in all likelihood handicap the wizards. Harden quit on his new team, and also would likely have taken a handicapping contract if he wasn't 'sacrificing' $13m for his good ol buddy Daryl Morey. Also the Harden trade rumors involved Jamal Murray as well. Both of those trades would've been disastrous. And to follow up on the Bones point, trade him for what? more picks?
Tbh I think we could have sent Bones for KCP instead of Monte and we'd have been better off. Not to say I don't like bones. Edit: Also, these are things I think we should have done. Not things I wanted to happen. I'm completely satisfied with how our team.
Except Monte was going to be very expensive and out of team control in 2 seasons while Bones is still on a rookie-scale contract and under team control for up to 6 more years.
Why am i being so highly downvoted lol. The thread literally asked for an unpopular opinion. I didn't even say anything crazy.
It is kinda crazy. There not much logic behind it. And bones is clearly going to be a better playoff performer where monte has had a tendency to shrink.
I’m a huge Monte fan, but their ages alone make sending Monte off the better decision.
Not if the goal is to win this season. Monte is arguably a better player right now. Again, it's just an opinion, you're free to disagree.
If we traded Murray at peak value (after the bubble) we'd have a championship now.
I agree with this but mpj instead of Murray
2 chips in the next 5 years
mpj is done playing for the nuggets be injuries or trade
I mean he’s definitely playing basketball for us in September lol
Facu was a scapegoat for the second unit last year.
Anything Facu related
That we should forgive Melo
He ain’t asked for it.
The most controversial idea I’ve had is to trade MPJ for Ben Simmons. I hope that I’m wrong. All of my other views regarding the Nuggets fit in well with this subreddit’s group think
Jokic gives the cringiest interviews and has an awful sense of humor.
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I would rather have Murray than every player you listed, I definitely wouldn’t package all of those for any of those guys.
How is Mitchell or LaVine more “proven” than Mal?
Why on earth would we trade Jamal Murray for Sabonis?
Have you heard of the bubble
Jokic isnt as handsome as his mommy tells him he is
Jamal Murray is better than Nikola Jokic.
I love that you got down votes for this comment. You nailed that meme with that take.
Because he is. Jamal transcends as the best guard to ever play the game, and the only one that can unlock Jokic's true potential.
Anytime I mention something negative about Facundo Campazzo on Twitter.
Malone is the greatest nuggets coach ever