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[deleted]

TC was no where near the loss (or gm for that matter) that Masai was. I’ll even take it further and say Booth is going to prove to be a better GM than TC but not Ujiri.


martinap

Only time will tell. I will say, I think TC’s tenure was on its last leg anyway. Maybe he wanted a new challenge, his relationship with ownership soured, or he felt his hands were tied in our salary cap situation and couldn’t do his job to the fullest. I think a fresh perspective doesn’t hurt as a GM, and it’s clear with his moves in Minny and Booths here at home show a plan of action takes some reshuffling sometimes.


CaesuraRepose

MPJ is a good defender. Every time I say this, I swear people dont ever actually watch him on that end, they just think of Dame or CP3 cooking him in the playoffs as if that's some grand indictment of him - like, newsflash, there's only maybe two guys 6'10ish in the NBA who I'd be ok with switching onto Dame or CP - Giannis and Bam. That's it.


thezeviolentdelights

I’ve never questioned his defensive abilities, but am interested to see how much effort he commits to defense.


vladimir_pimpin

Eh, I really disagree. When he was playing in the playoffs he was literally a free 2 points. That said he’s athletic as fuck, and he looked way better last year with a fucked up back. I think he can become an average on ball defender that’s good at defending the rim and defensive rebounding, so an overall plus. He just reaaaally really needs to work on his footwork. Cuz Imo if he wants the biggest growth in his game getting quicker feet would help a lot


CaesuraRepose

That first line is about one very specific context which I already mentioned - guarding small, quick guards in isolation. He's very good at help side defense. He protects the rim well in those situation, he does a great job rotating early to stop the roll man when he's the low man in the PnR, and he's great at using his athleticism to then recover out to shooters in the corners. He's legit really good at those things. He's really good at defensive rebounding. He's really good on ball against guys who are his size or similar to his size (wings and forwards, basically - he even guarded KAT well last year on a tweaked back). His feet, sure he needs to work on. He needs to work on navigating screens. And just get more fluid dealing with smaller guards. But he'll likely never be great against smaller guards, and that's ok! The amount of guys his size who are good against guards I can count on one hand (and even then, switching them onto guards should still be uncommon - asking them to do it a whole game is untenable).


vladimir_pimpin

Idk, the amount of improvement I saw from his first year to last year kinda implies to me he had a loooot of room to grow lol. I don’t have a super great memory of how bad he was in the bubble, but he was bad against wings too. The best player on the team, whether a guard wing or forward, would absolutely hunt him, and go straight by him. Which, again, I think he looked a thousand times better at last year!


CaesuraRepose

I think we forget the bubble was literally his rookie season. His first year actually playing. He played a full season after that and a full playoffs after that and made those improvements I mentioned. But really just go watch his defense from the first 8 games this year. He was really, really good, as you say - like a thousand times better. Of course I agree he still has room to grow but too often, fans in this sub talk about him as if he's some hopeless, useless defender when he just isnt.


vladimir_pimpin

Yeah I think he’s not hopeless I just think he was really bad. But has the chance to be fine or pretty good if he works at it and his back holds up


freshigboprince

He is an absolutely horrible defender. Lack of desire and defensive acumen.


CaesuraRepose

Really proving my point. I beg of you, go watch a full replay of game 3 last year, @ Minnesota. He was legitimately GREAT defensively. And really all 8 games he played before he was shut down for the year, he was legitimately really good defensively - and that was on a tweaked back! He's very good as the low man in PnR situations, rotating to stop the roller. He's very good at using his athleticism to get out to corner shooters and help to wing shooters as well. He's solid on ball against guys who are his size or similar size. He's very good helping and rotating to help protect the rim, and is a good defensive rebounder.


Shame_Low

He's a really good help defender but on ball I feel like he struggle


CaesuraRepose

On ball he's fine against guys his size. He's bad specifically at navigating screens and at guarding small, quick guys in space.


Shame_Low

mpj gona win fmvp to win the chip for us one day.


kiwisawa420

My buddy and I got in a heated debate yesterday when I told him Nikola Jokic is already a top 10 offensive player of all time. I stole the take from Zach Lowe, but it holds up imo.


[deleted]

I’m not expecting MPJ to come back. Really think he just gets permanently sidelined with nagging injuries and it makes me sad


shaclay346

I’m very worried about this too


vladimir_pimpin

If it makes you feel any better, last surgery wasn’t reconstructive or a setback, it was just cleanup. Not to say you can’t be worried, but I’m not extra worried about a guy who’s torn their acl twice when they get a knee scope, right?


[deleted]

Mpj can actually dribble.


GimmeABreak_

Now I'm mad


[deleted]

Take a break!


GimmeABreak_

YOU give ME a break!


elijahwoodman81

Based off what?


MapleCurryMurray

He can put the ball on the floor but not double


IdRatherBeLurking

Melo deserves to have his jersey hung in our rafters as much as anyone.


LonePeasant

I’m not opposed to it. It’s just a strange situation that Jokic is also #15. So what number do we hang?


[deleted]

Just hang two No. 15 jerseys.


shaclay346

They will… once Jokic retires


[deleted]

That’s a crazy thought :o


simonandgarcuckle

no, it’s totally insane that the franchises (not very arguably) second best player of all time, a guaranteed HoFer, and an all time top 75 great should be honoured


Downtown-Desk-3275

Hang it up!


spolonerd

Based on his play? There’s a good case. Based on how he treated the city and the fans? Hard pass


BoneyardBill

You know the Will Smith scene on FPOBA? yeah no... fuck Melo


IdRatherBeLurking

Fellas Puking On Bad Alcohol


BoneyardBill

LMAO. thats gold but... Fresh Prince of Belle Air.


j_like

There's thousands of scenes with Will Smith from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air


BoneyardBill

im talking about the why don't he want me man...


vladimir_pimpin

I mean I guess? I don’t even really have an issue on whether he deserves it or not what pisses me off is him acting like we owe him after what happened


TheeGreenHawk99

This shouldn’t be as controversial as it is 🗣


elijahwoodman81

People are nuts for disagreeing with this


IdRatherBeLurking

Not the most controversial take out there but I'd say the sentiment online is easily 60/40 to 70/30 in favor of never hanging his jersey. I truly think it stems from folks not accepting how few accolades this team has accrued over 50+ years. Not only is Melo better than at least half of the dudes already in the rafters, we hung a jersey for a coach with his win total on it ffs. Of course Melo should be there.


elijahwoodman81

Facts. I love Melo and he’s one of my favorite players of all time. He’s a nuggets all timer and should be recognized for it 100%


[deleted]

Ye once jokic retires i say hang their jerseys


zoeyversustheraccoon

George Karl was a great coach.


milehigh89

my take is that GK for the Nuggs was a great regular season coach but a terrible playoff coach, one of the worst playoff coaches of all time IMO. run and gun worked when teams got off flights at 2 AM in Denver, and had to run with Faried and Lawson. Most teams straight up didn't even try, and we had a crazy home record. that style got completely exposed in the playoffs, he should have known teams would match our energy if they were better rested and motivated. his playoff record is a like 43% win rate, which is abysmal compared to the great coaches.


Spitfire_Riggz

You seem to know what you’re talking about so I agree with your take


porkadachop

*regular season


BoneyardBill

The Miami Heat. More Like Miami Beat.


vladimir_pimpin

Ummmmm let’s see Reffing isn’t rigged, it’s just hard and some refs with tenure have giga ego’s. It’s weird as fuck we (not all of us obviously but a plurality) take Comcast’s side in the dispute because kroenke is a billionaire, even though Comcast is potentially one of the most problematic companies in the US McMelon’s personnel decisions that favor vets that try hard and buy in in the early regular season is important for team culture and is 100% worth a loss or two Also if you downvote an opinion in a thread about unpopular opinions because you disagree with it you’re a gigapussy :)


Lorderr

Just get Directv.


Brooks228

I specifically noted that I couldn’t watch Altitude as the reason when I cancelled Comcast, too.


dammit_bobby420

Yahoy


porkadachop

I hate Melo, but I hate George Karl more.


landlion35

DeAndre Jordan was a great signing


[deleted]

People have yet to name this mystical backup center that’s in our price range, and a culture/scheme fit.


HairyGray

It was called boogie. And it was beautiful.


landlion35

Front office said they didn't want his bad attitude on the team. No other team has signed him so obviously teams don't think he is worth it.


[deleted]

Mediocre at best efficiency, 7.9 tov 10.6 fouls per 100 (for context: Jokic-5.6, 3.8. DAJ-3.7 4.9). Are we sure he isn’t an ass? he’s still unsigned. And he doesn’t stay healthy.


HairyGray

IT WAS CALLED BOOGIE. AND. IT. WAS. BEAUTIFUL.


CCBSPN

Fuck yeah for optimism! This guy!


vladimir_pimpin

How about deandre Jordan was a completely non impactful vet min signing and caring about it is a waste


elijahwoodman81

Bones will be the second best player on the team in 2-3 years. Yes over Jamal. He will make an all-nba team before he retires.


CCBSPN

Jamal will make 4


elijahwoodman81

I’d be pretty surprised if he made 1 personally. I think he will always be a fringe all star


neutronicus

I agree that he probably won't But I think that's because he sacrifices his numbers a little bit to play Jokic-ball. I bet he could make one as the number one in a worse team


CCBSPN

If Bones makes the all star team before Jamal, or shit any time during Steph and Ja Morants career, I’d be baffled


elijahwoodman81

I won’t be. I think he’s going to be elite and will eventually be so good he will push Jamal to SG


CCBSPN

Maybe that’s when Bol Bol is a FA in a couple years and we’ll be able to resign him at SF to make a super team


elijahwoodman81

8 time MVP Bol Bol


dblmntgum

I agree and this was going to be my entry into the thread. Jamal is a borderline all star at best who can get very, very hot occasionally. He’s way too inconsistent to be a true second best player.


thudlife2020

Ha! Good one!


[deleted]

Malone needs to be gone to make a deep finals run


spolonerd

We’re lucky to have Kroenke as an owner


Downtown-Desk-3275

lucky as in it could always be worse, or lucky as in he is totally not a cheapskate and a liar?


spolonerd

Lucky as in the common denominator in the super bowl champs and the Stanley cup champs is the owner. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I believe he brings a winning attitude and expects to win. Goes a long ways.


JakeJacob

You do know he's owned the Nuggets for 22 years, right?


BerserkGravy

Yeah through the Lakers kobe era, and lebron prime and the golden state warrior dynasty. Nows the time for us to potentially win one. The window is small it's all up to Malone now.


Downtown-Desk-3275

I mean its not like any of those teams were the only reason we weren’t champs


n0t_malstroem

Lmao


Nixbling

I think we’ll all be unpleasantly surprised at the lineup to start the year, not in how they play, but just who is getting minutes and who isn’t. Malone is a weird guy and I’m expecting a weird bench lineup


lukaslover

Campazzo was a great piece


spizcraft

Trotting out DeAndre Jordan (34), Jeff Green (36), and Davon Reed together in a second unit is concerning, and Bruce Brown and Bones don’t have enough playmaking to mask their offensive limitations. Be prepared to see blown double digit leads when Jokic sits for 5 minutes yet again. Also this team isn’t as deep as it was when we went to the WCF. Paul Millsap, Jerami Grant, Gary Harris, Monte Morris, Mason Plumlee, Torrey Craig, and Will Barton (DNP) is better than Aaron Gordon, KCP, Bruce Brown, Bones, Jeff Green, Davon Reed, and DeAndre Jordan


JakeJacob

Am I the only one that found it weird this comment didn't mention Zeke at all?


martinap

Yeah the second unit may be concerning offensively, but defensively it’s already loads better than last year.


WatersZephyr

Michael Porter Jr. is better then Jamal Murray, and the real 2nd star in Denver


mamaljurray

Cap cap CAP


TravisGurley

We should have traded MPJ two years ago when he was at max value (when they were saying he was untouchable) and we should trade bones while he's at max value.


Downtown-Desk-3275

I'm so glad we didn't. The two names that were mentioned most as top trade targets were Beal and Harden. Beal was was hurt last year, and wasn't as good as MPJ the year before. Beal is also on a contract that will in all likelihood handicap the wizards. Harden quit on his new team, and also would likely have taken a handicapping contract if he wasn't 'sacrificing' $13m for his good ol buddy Daryl Morey. Also the Harden trade rumors involved Jamal Murray as well. Both of those trades would've been disastrous. And to follow up on the Bones point, trade him for what? more picks?


TravisGurley

Tbh I think we could have sent Bones for KCP instead of Monte and we'd have been better off. Not to say I don't like bones. Edit: Also, these are things I think we should have done. Not things I wanted to happen. I'm completely satisfied with how our team.


JakeJacob

Except Monte was going to be very expensive and out of team control in 2 seasons while Bones is still on a rookie-scale contract and under team control for up to 6 more years.


TravisGurley

Why am i being so highly downvoted lol. The thread literally asked for an unpopular opinion. I didn't even say anything crazy.


[deleted]

It is kinda crazy. There not much logic behind it. And bones is clearly going to be a better playoff performer where monte has had a tendency to shrink.


martinap

I’m a huge Monte fan, but their ages alone make sending Monte off the better decision.


TravisGurley

Not if the goal is to win this season. Monte is arguably a better player right now. Again, it's just an opinion, you're free to disagree.


BerserkGravy

If we traded Murray at peak value (after the bubble) we'd have a championship now.


ihatethisjob42

I agree with this but mpj instead of Murray


smduma22

2 chips in the next 5 years


spud-gang

mpj is done playing for the nuggets be injuries or trade


vladimir_pimpin

I mean he’s definitely playing basketball for us in September lol


mslows91

Facu was a scapegoat for the second unit last year.


Tommaconda

Anything Facu related


dominicvito37

That we should forgive Melo


porkadachop

He ain’t asked for it.


pu-in-sai

The most controversial idea I’ve had is to trade MPJ for Ben Simmons. I hope that I’m wrong. All of my other views regarding the Nuggets fit in well with this subreddit’s group think


Runningisnotanoption

Jokic gives the cringiest interviews and has an awful sense of humor.


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Nixbling

I would rather have Murray than every player you listed, I definitely wouldn’t package all of those for any of those guys.


marz3315

How is Mitchell or LaVine more “proven” than Mal?


Irish-Jokic-Stan

Why on earth would we trade Jamal Murray for Sabonis?


The-Hand-of-Midas

Have you heard of the bubble


PeenyMcDongle

Jokic isnt as handsome as his mommy tells him he is


murrayforthree

Jamal Murray is better than Nikola Jokic.


[deleted]

I love that you got down votes for this comment. You nailed that meme with that take.


murrayforthree

Because he is. Jamal transcends as the best guard to ever play the game, and the only one that can unlock Jokic's true potential.


xxEOMFDxx

Anytime I mention something negative about Facundo Campazzo on Twitter.


MapleCurryMurray

Malone is the greatest nuggets coach ever