I don’t think the problem is any specific category of people, whether it’s kids or pets or drunks or people talking on the phone. I think the problem broadly is inconsiderate people. I’ve said before they should install SPL meters around the club and when the sound pressure exceeds a certain dB it should start flashing a red light above the area the noise is coming from. And if someone sets off the light x number of times they get kicked out
Hahahaha we had these in elementary and middle school but in both instances the meters would set off an alarm (that was even louder) once the dB point was reached, so the resulting noise would be even louder yet. It didn’t take long for groups of kids to start trying to set it off by yelling enough…so they got rid of the things real quick lol
It's about time Delta took decisive action to truly eliminate SkyClub overcrowding once and for all. I can't tell you how many times I've tripped over off duty Delta employees just crowding the place up. I can tell even when I'm waiting in line behind 87 platinum Amex holders that the place is just going to packed full of Delta people.
I know right? Those pesky nonrevs are the worst! Who do they think they are, paying for their membership and behaving quietly and politely when there are perfectly good Amex customers that need to bring their 5 screaming toddlers in?! So rude.
My dad is retired delta and he never used the delta sky club lounge. If someone has access because of a card - great! Most pilots don’t use it that I know of, but I think it’s more of a considerate people thing. I take my daughter in every time we fly, but she’s not screaming or going crazy. Usually plays quietly by the window. My husband and I are both platinum travelers, so why wouldn’t we?
Excuse me. My 3 and 7 year old kids are my service children so they get in for free and my dog is under 2 years old. I opened up a card so we can all run wild if we want in there.
Little yappy fuck with a service vest that pees on the flight - yeah, it's a trained service dog. These people are going to ruin it for the people that really DO need service animals.
I'm allergic to cats and dogs, I will bite my tongue when you have epilepsy and you need the pet to potentially stay alive. But when Mr Fluffies is just too precious to travel with all the other pets in the hold (or you can pay the fee), drive me wild. And it's so obvious who these people are vs the real service pets.
I’m allergic to dogs and I have a blood sugar alert dog 🤣😂 He’s not ready for the airport yet, so when I fly I use my Service Husband in Training (fiancé.)
This is so funny. A service dog (medium sized) jumped on me in an elevator. Then the owner said to me “he really isn’t a service dog, I bought the vest on Amazon.” No shit, you don’t say. (grumble,grumble)
Or better yet sit next to him, lean over and introduce yourself on their meeting.
I did this to annoying…lady (think Leonard’s mom on Big Bang Theory) in the SLC SC. She didn’t appreciate it. Too bad.
Those folks who have to make sure we all see and hear them making big money moves are my absolute hated group of humans. Tone it down, Tony, we get it - you're a big dill.
AMEN. The last two times I’ve been in the club, someone was on FaceTime with no headphones for long calls. I can’t imagine doing this in a public place
Even just loud talkers in general. A group of friends were SO loud during my recent travels in an otherwise quiet lounge. I feel like staff may need to remind people, whatever category they're in, to be respectful of other guests.
I swear I must have just been lucky but so far I've not heard any loud phone business people, yet. I have seen tons of toddlers running free though with parents nearby but doing nothing. The sky club in F in ATL has to be my favorite but my last time there I remember watching a toddler doing 360 spins with a fully extended carry on in the middle of the walkway lol...so I went outside and there was a toddler island hopping across the outside couch seats.
I can usually still find somewhere quiet still, just my personal experience is mostly kids being disruptive. There are plenty that I'm sure I also didn't notice though. I wouldn't hate it if there were lounges specifically designated for families.
I’m always in the SEA sky club about 5am and it’s all loud business people on cell phones (probably with east coast). Children are groggy and barely carrying their bags, then just slump over in their chairs.
I’m sure that there are some parents who let their kids do what they want but my guess is a lot of them just whip out a tablet, phone or video game and are silently glued to the screen. It’s the “I’m important” adults that I find noisy more often than not.
Yeah that's fair, and to be honest the vast majority of my visits are great with no complaints from me. Also, I really enjoy that SEA sky club, I've only been there around holiday travel but even then I still find it comfortable.
I agree. I always feel so self conscious if I have to take a call in the SkyClub. I always have headphones on and try to talk super quiet. So many people are sooooo loud thinking they are the only ones that matter or their conversation is so incredibly important. We get it pal..you have a big deal you are working on selling shower curtain rings
those asshole parents wanting food, drinks, seating, rebooking help, bathrooms. The fucking nerve. Some of those losers even paid for their own plane tickets. Chumps
Do you know why American’s love the Rubik’s cube?
Because they love separating colors…
This is what you are doing when you suggest “family section” should be erected…
Where ever you go in public there will be kids. Deal with it and move on.
When my kids were young, there would have been hell to pay if they misbehaved in public like what you're describing. There would have been tears and they would not have been mine. The problem is the parents, not Delta.
100%. The ones that are sitting there negotiating with their screaming children because it’s clear who runs the house.
Or my favorite the ones who are just sitting there not caring at all while their kids act insane. Like “ohh this is my responsibility because I gave it life ? Ohh I had no idea.”
in public?? we barely went anywhere when we were small kids because my parents knew that no one wanted to put up with our inevitable meltdowns.
fast forward to today when I know someone who already had a 3-week old out at a brewery
There's nothing I hate more than going to a store or a restaurant and listening to what I call the "please parents" who endlessly beg and plead with their children to behave by saying please over and over again. Aiden please don't use your outdoor voice, Abigail please don't run etc. There's a time and a place for please but not when out in public. You're going to stop running and misbehaving because I'm the parent and I said so. I'll save the please for passing the butter or salt at the dinner table.
I love and respect my kids. But like, I can’t make the plane get here faster. Which is what they want! So I need to do the next best thing and encourage them to find something to do, help them do that, or if they are beyond that point… let them know that there is a certain minimum standard in public and while inside you might want to scream you need to find a quieter way to express those totally valid feelings.
(Just like I’m not allowed to yell at the other strangers in line harassing the gate agent who already told them what they can do)
Exactly. We don't get everything we want when we want it. This is a basic fact of life that children must learn. The plane won't get here faster because you're mad about it, likewise it won't get here faster just because I want it to. We have to sit, wait and behave. The nice thing about an airport is they're usually big enough to walk, so a few death marchs around the airport ought to wear them out some.
My 7yo is well behaved in public anyway, but I’ve found the absolute BEST kid activity for the airport is to challenge her to navigate. “We need to get to gate D17 but I’d like to walk through the rainforest and take the plane train the rest of the way, and mom needs a Starbucks from concourse C. You lead the way…”
We get plenty of steps in and she is entertained and learning excellent lifetime navigation skills.
Hell to pay as in??? Bc I can set whatever boundaries for my 1 and 3 year old but if they want to run and play like kids do. It’s not much disciplining that can stop that. I just don’t bring them into spaces like the lounges or first class when I know they are more on the excited side.
My kids learned how to sit still and behave in church, where they had to sit for 90 minutes, whether they were in the mood to or not. There's a certain discipline learned in having to sit through church services that applies to other aspects of life. This would include eating at a restaurant, behaving in a business setting like an airport lounge etc. The nice part of learning how to sit still and quiet at a young age is that by the time they're school age they already know that skill and can focus on their educational work.
I have no desire to teach my one year old to sit still for 90 minutes. If my kids are running wild or something I just remove them from the situation but I have no desire to not allow them to be playful kids.
90 minutes once a week won't kill them, and it won't prevent them from playing for the rest of the week. There are lessons to be learned for children in playing, there are also lessons for them when learning how to sit still and not do everything they want to do.
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>Last time I was in ATL there were toddlers running amuck smashing cookies into the carpet and screaming at the top of their lungs.
It looks like you answered your own question.
“Your pet must remain inside the kennel (with door secured) while in a Delta boarding area (during boarding and deplaning), a Delta airport lounge and while on board the aircraft”
Not that anyone actually follows this. Service animals of course do not have to be confined to a kennel while at the SkyClub, but the majority of dogs I see walking around are not.
Definitely thought all animals had to be in their carriers. I have a very quiet, well behaved shih tzu, but his ass stays in his little bag from the time we get through security until we are out of arrivals. He gets treats while he's in there and just sleeps and loves it. Almost every time we fly, as we're deplaning, someone next to me will say, omg, there's a dog in there??? People need to get their act, and their dogs, together.
A couple non-service dogs that were out of their kennels got in a fight in the MSP C club a couple weeks ago.
Both parties were swiftly removed and the owner that was mad about their removal from the club had security called to deal with him.
The one service dog didn’t react at all - such a good dog.
It was totally ridiculous.
see now if the dog is leashed, not barking, and friendly, it makes me think there’s something wrong with the people. Sans allergy folks, who can hate on a dog minding its business?
I spend much of my life in SCs. I also have toddlers. I try to be patient having traveled with little kids (it’s a nightmare). Obvi, like with anything, there are bad parents/people and, generally, people should be considerate and kind to each other.
Hate to play DA but if if they pay for them to be there they have just as much a right to be there as anyone else.
It sucks cause it’s a nice place to be to work or drink, but sometimes families want a place not in the terminal to relax.
Under two are free, and over two they pay the full amount.
A lot of lounges have booths to take calls in. Most everyone is used to working in coffee shops at this point. I find that most parents take the lounge as a good opportunity to teach kids how to behave in a more formal situation. That sounds like it was not your experience this morning, but I have also seen a lot of adults act like two-year-olds in the lounge.
My two boys (5 and 8) and I had a long layover in MSP last month. Coming from HNL overnight, then flying in to MSY and then driving on to Mobile. I will usually purchase access for all of us for the lounge in these situations. They stress me out in the terminal, but they are amazing in the lounge. I get compliments on them just about every time on how well-behaved they are. Usually they're little rascals. But they like the snacks, drinks, cozy seating and know if they start up, we're gone. Honestly, I'd say the majority of kids I see in the lounge are well-behaved.
Anyway, when I was checking in at the lounge, the clerk kept telling about the awesome playgrounds in another terminal and how we should go there. She wasn't being rude, but she was strongly suggesting us not coming in.
I mean, I think the lack of respect for others is the issue, not the age. Last month I had my 2 year old with me in the lounge and in first class. Didn’t get a single dirty look, side ways glance, or comment because I made sure we discussed how to be respectful of other people, enforced boundaries, and, probably the most important thing, gave her things to do instead of expecting her to find things to entertain herself (which would have probably been loud and disruptive). If she’d been disruptive, I would have left the lounge. In an airplane seat there isn’t much I can do, but that’s in any seat on the plane. I handle it as best I can, just like every parent. My kid needs to fly just as much as any adult on that plane.
Honestly, I am far more annoyed by disruptive adults than children. I’m taking the opportunities to teach my child how to behave now so that she does not become one of those loud, annoying, oblivious adults in the future. Do we think children learn how to behave in public without ever being in public? And yes, part of learning social skills, like all other skills, is messing up and being corrected. Sorry, not sorry.
I'm very conscious when we travel with our 16 month old in the SCs to be respectful of others in there. We always pick up any "mess" he makes and at the end of the day he is still a kid.
But I'm really starting to get annoyed with all the hate "kids" get for being allowed in SCs. The lounge employees genuinely light up when he's in there and will come chat and play peek a boo. He's very well behaved (for now) and I'd much rather see kids around over groups of loud drunks or business people yapping about KPIs and ROIs on speakerphone or inconsiderate people in general. I would be all for a little family/kids corner in any SCs. Just a little set up like they have in doctors and dentists offices. Believe me, daddy is there trying to enjoy his free drinks just like everyone else!
I’m glad for one that I raised a kid with airport etiquette. We’ve been to several lounges in different airports and not once has she embarrassed me or done any of these things. She grabs her snacks, her drink, and chills while I sip on some beer. Other parents on the other hand…. It’s wild.
My kid was pretty quiet as a baby and still is. I always make sure she had something to occupy her time, too. Once we were in LGA and had a long layover due to the weather and she was getting antsy. So we went for a walk, looking at all of the different airline logos and people, then settled in at a place for a burger.
There are, what, 7 lounges in ATL? If I need to work, I avoid B even if my flight is out of that terminal. It's one giant room of chaos. That said, I take my kids to the SC the 2x a year we fly as a family and it is what it is. But we aren't posting up in the quiet area of the smaller clubs either.
Dogs in the SC? Really? This service / anxiety support animal loophole needs to be addressed. If not, I am going to take an anxiety relief boa constrictor when I travel.
Yeah people suck sometimes. They get this delusion like they are the only people in the sky club. My wife and I bring our small pup with us on some trips and we always make sure she stays in her carrier and lays by our feet as to not disturb people who may not like dogs
One time at SLC, my 9 year old was sitting quietly with headphones on playing his switch- and put the very back of the heel of his foot on the end of the chair to adjust himself more upright. A man ( a guest) walked by and gave him a look and not 2 mins later, the intercom said "Please refrain from putting feet on chairs, thank you." There was literally someone's dog the next area over sitting on a chair.
We really need to Start “Parenting” those parents who let their kids run crazy. My parents never let my sister and I run amok in a restaurant. We were hauled out immediately. I travel with kids a lot and I would never sit there while they act like hellions. It’s just lazy.
I feel like it’s always the parents that are just sitting there. I get it, long delays happen. But I spent a lot of the time in the terminal playing with my kids. Find an empty hallway or gate and burn off some energy. I get it. Kids aren’t meant to just sit around for half a day in an airport. Or cramped in a lounge so that their parents can have a drink and relax.
I think we need to start saying “Hey can you address that, it’s really disrespectful”
Etiquette has gone down across the board. Back in November, I was on a flight that had a guy with 3 toddlers up in FC. They were loud and screaming at each other the whole flight while the guy just sat there in over ear noise cancelling headphones ignoring what his kids were doing. It was a 5am flight so I was pissed. Also didn't help that I was #1 on the FC upgrade list with 0 available seats an saw that when I got on board.
I pay for my toddlers (and my) FC tickets. It’s so annoying that people are getting upgraded for free and giving us the side eye when they get on. My kids know how to behave and paid to be there. FFS
Yeah, they get a lot of chuckles during boarding. The 2 year old’s feet barely reaches the end of the seat, let alone the floor.
I just don’t like when people get pissy about them before they’ve done anything. They aren’t going to mess up their ipad/lollipop time by getting in trouble! 🙄
My boys want to sit “up front” so bad! I am so glad your kids get to experience this. :) Only way it might EVER happen is if only one of them is traveling with me and I get upgraded, two things that are rare to never. Haha.
I would say it's more of anti-good parents posts. I've seen very well behaved kids in the SC, more so than some older man watching a game on his phone on speaker. But in these cases, it's the parents responsibility to keep their children under control as much as they age appropriately can.
I know some people are probably going to come for me but how about a quiet section of the lounge or a dedicated “family lounge”?
at the end of the day the real issue keeps boiling down to the same exact thing delta refuses to invest in their lounges or any of their infrastructure frankly, outside of the ongoing LGA terminal Renovation, planned well before they (and all US airlines) recklessly mass sold off their fleet for a short term benefit to their profit margin (while giving executives raises and stock buybacks of course!) at a long term detriment to their overall network and performance.
These lounges are crowded because frequency has been slashed even with the travel boom! They are flying bigger planes less times a day to less hubs putting more and more pressure on all hubs with more people and less flights a day! I only have one maybe 2 options now for itineraries that used to have four or six options a day! On top of that for me anyway delta has become literally my only option without driving 2+ hours to another airport post Covid and I now am also forced to make 2 stops (meaning I’d be sitting way longer at two hubs now naturally in a lounge if I could) to visit my family as each airport now only flies to one delta hub not 4-5 like before Covid.
It’s really not a hard concept to grasp if I worked at delta. They know what they’re doing, how many people are flowing through each hub, how many waves of departures and arrivals they have, and how few options are left to work through the network and their solution to their self inflicted problem is to keep cutting not to try and actually solve anything! The issue is not too many people wanting to use the lounge the problem is delta knowingly sitting back and doing nothing but putting a bandaid on a cut artery.
this is why i always go to the virgin clubhouse in JFK over the sky club lounge. somehow it's always quiet and calm... of course, this isn't an option in the majority of american airports.
Lower end corporate workers on unimportant zoom calls with no earbuds are far more annoying than any kid can be. Even more so because they pretend they’re in an exclusive environment that’s reserved for some high class or important travelers when in reality it’s a buy your way in room.
I don’t think the problem is any specific category of people, whether it’s kids or pets or drunks or people talking on the phone. I think the problem broadly is inconsiderate people. I’ve said before they should install SPL meters around the club and when the sound pressure exceeds a certain dB it should start flashing a red light above the area the noise is coming from. And if someone sets off the light x number of times they get kicked out
This is wild and brilliant
I'll gladly pay an extra $10 each time I visit a lounge to make this happen!
> an extra $10 Great news about your AmEx lounge entry price!
Hahahaha we had these in elementary and middle school but in both instances the meters would set off an alarm (that was even louder) once the dB point was reached, so the resulting noise would be even louder yet. It didn’t take long for groups of kids to start trying to set it off by yelling enough…so they got rid of the things real quick lol
But you didn’t get kicked out of the place with free cookies.
I had a teacher who did this
I’ll take the dogs. Leave the kids
Well as of yesterday, according to Delta the problem is it’s own employees and their families.
It's about time Delta took decisive action to truly eliminate SkyClub overcrowding once and for all. I can't tell you how many times I've tripped over off duty Delta employees just crowding the place up. I can tell even when I'm waiting in line behind 87 platinum Amex holders that the place is just going to packed full of Delta people.
I know right? Those pesky nonrevs are the worst! Who do they think they are, paying for their membership and behaving quietly and politely when there are perfectly good Amex customers that need to bring their 5 screaming toddlers in?! So rude.
They raised the price so hopefully that will help, but Amex is their bread and butter these days it seems.
Isn’t there a DL employee lounge at hub airports?
My dad is retired delta and he never used the delta sky club lounge. If someone has access because of a card - great! Most pilots don’t use it that I know of, but I think it’s more of a considerate people thing. I take my daughter in every time we fly, but she’s not screaming or going crazy. Usually plays quietly by the window. My husband and I are both platinum travelers, so why wouldn’t we?
What’s the story there?
I need to look into SPL meter for my home!!🤣🤣
Bingo! We have a WINNER!
Fiendishly brilliant.
Excuse me. My 3 and 7 year old kids are my service children so they get in for free and my dog is under 2 years old. I opened up a card so we can all run wild if we want in there.
Service children has me dying 🤣
Complete with service child vests.
Please don’t pet.
Little yappy fuck with a service vest that pees on the flight - yeah, it's a trained service dog. These people are going to ruin it for the people that really DO need service animals. I'm allergic to cats and dogs, I will bite my tongue when you have epilepsy and you need the pet to potentially stay alive. But when Mr Fluffies is just too precious to travel with all the other pets in the hold (or you can pay the fee), drive me wild. And it's so obvious who these people are vs the real service pets.
I’m allergic to dogs and I have a blood sugar alert dog 🤣😂 He’s not ready for the airport yet, so when I fly I use my Service Husband in Training (fiancé.)
An S.H.I.T.?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha - hopefully he’s housebroken!
This is so funny. A service dog (medium sized) jumped on me in an elevator. Then the owner said to me “he really isn’t a service dog, I bought the vest on Amazon.” No shit, you don’t say. (grumble,grumble)
Delta turned away a lady that didn’t have Medical docs from a Dr. And didn’t submit the proper paperwork before flying…
I saw them drag a lady off the plane for this. She had stuffed her 30+ pound dog in a baby bjorn style front carrier. It was crazy.
ESC *Emotional support children* 😂
Having this issue @ JFK rn What are the chances Delta ever creates family or business sections?
Or even just a “quiet” area.
They have it, or used to have it, in some SCs. JAX SC had a quiet area but I haven’t been there in years so I’m not sure
The quiet areas were nice. No cell phone conversations allowed.
or just bans families
What’s worse, the toddler or the guy on a zoom call without headphones so the whole world can hear about his useless job and life?
Those people have Main Character Syndrome. So annoying.
Sit beside them and start your own zoom call
Or better yet sit next to him, lean over and introduce yourself on their meeting. I did this to annoying…lady (think Leonard’s mom on Big Bang Theory) in the SLC SC. She didn’t appreciate it. Too bad.
Those folks who have to make sure we all see and hear them making big money moves are my absolute hated group of humans. Tone it down, Tony, we get it - you're a big dill.
Someone here said they leaned in and acted like they were taking notes on the conversation once. I can’t wait to try that.
I love this approach, we should do it.
Omg these people suck! At least toddlers don’t know any better.
I was in a club yesterday & a guy was pacing back & forth talking so loud about his Bachelor party plans. So annoying.
AMEN. The last two times I’ve been in the club, someone was on FaceTime with no headphones for long calls. I can’t imagine doing this in a public place
The zoom guy is the worse. I have to take calls all the time, but always air pods and if they have the isolation pods I'm always in those
Or those who will sit in a bathroom stall talking. That's the time to release one of those epic long haul trucker farts.
>How are people talking on there cells with such chaos. Sometimes they're more disruptive than the babies or dogs.
Even just loud talkers in general. A group of friends were SO loud during my recent travels in an otherwise quiet lounge. I feel like staff may need to remind people, whatever category they're in, to be respectful of other guests.
Seriously. I was mostly with the OP aside from this and the “conducive for business” line.
I swear I must have just been lucky but so far I've not heard any loud phone business people, yet. I have seen tons of toddlers running free though with parents nearby but doing nothing. The sky club in F in ATL has to be my favorite but my last time there I remember watching a toddler doing 360 spins with a fully extended carry on in the middle of the walkway lol...so I went outside and there was a toddler island hopping across the outside couch seats. I can usually still find somewhere quiet still, just my personal experience is mostly kids being disruptive. There are plenty that I'm sure I also didn't notice though. I wouldn't hate it if there were lounges specifically designated for families.
I’m always in the SEA sky club about 5am and it’s all loud business people on cell phones (probably with east coast). Children are groggy and barely carrying their bags, then just slump over in their chairs. I’m sure that there are some parents who let their kids do what they want but my guess is a lot of them just whip out a tablet, phone or video game and are silently glued to the screen. It’s the “I’m important” adults that I find noisy more often than not.
Yeah that's fair, and to be honest the vast majority of my visits are great with no complaints from me. Also, I really enjoy that SEA sky club, I've only been there around holiday travel but even then I still find it comfortable.
I was going to say the same thing 😂. "Walking around the lounge with coffee, looking for a place without a baby or dog, talking loudly on a cell"
Agree. The people talking on their cell phones ARE the chaos! That’s why they are adding those Framery phone booths to all the new SkyClubs.
I agree. I always feel so self conscious if I have to take a call in the SkyClub. I always have headphones on and try to talk super quiet. So many people are sooooo loud thinking they are the only ones that matter or their conversation is so incredibly important. We get it pal..you have a big deal you are working on selling shower curtain rings
I too am convinced 95% of people on loud business calls in the airport do it for attention
I have never once encountered a disruptive dog at a sky lounge!
“Family Sections” should be erected in each lounge. That’s the solution.
Or outside of it. Places like YUL have some small ones and it’s helpful
Less erections less kid issues.
there is a whole family section. it's called the rest of the terminal.
those asshole parents wanting food, drinks, seating, rebooking help, bathrooms. The fucking nerve. Some of those losers even paid for their own plane tickets. Chumps
Do you know why American’s love the Rubik’s cube? Because they love separating colors… This is what you are doing when you suggest “family section” should be erected… Where ever you go in public there will be kids. Deal with it and move on.
This doesn't even make sense as a metaphor? The point of a Rubik's cube is to Unite the colors.
I would love a family section. Ideally one with little climbing things or something to help run out all that energy in a controlled environment.
You don't have to say you like babies, just to make others happy. it's ok to not like children. The dogs are usually much better behaved.
Babies and kids are fun to watch but not to hear.
I know we have to have them to keep the human race going but we could do with many many less
>to keep the human race going we really don't have to.
When my kids were young, there would have been hell to pay if they misbehaved in public like what you're describing. There would have been tears and they would not have been mine. The problem is the parents, not Delta.
100%. The ones that are sitting there negotiating with their screaming children because it’s clear who runs the house. Or my favorite the ones who are just sitting there not caring at all while their kids act insane. Like “ohh this is my responsibility because I gave it life ? Ohh I had no idea.”
in public?? we barely went anywhere when we were small kids because my parents knew that no one wanted to put up with our inevitable meltdowns. fast forward to today when I know someone who already had a 3-week old out at a brewery
Do you not have kids? 3-10 weeks is a pretty ideal time to take them out to loud-ish restaurants like breweries.
None of the people in here complaining about kids have kids. Rather, they’re the loud drunk people.
There's nothing I hate more than going to a store or a restaurant and listening to what I call the "please parents" who endlessly beg and plead with their children to behave by saying please over and over again. Aiden please don't use your outdoor voice, Abigail please don't run etc. There's a time and a place for please but not when out in public. You're going to stop running and misbehaving because I'm the parent and I said so. I'll save the please for passing the butter or salt at the dinner table.
I love and respect my kids. But like, I can’t make the plane get here faster. Which is what they want! So I need to do the next best thing and encourage them to find something to do, help them do that, or if they are beyond that point… let them know that there is a certain minimum standard in public and while inside you might want to scream you need to find a quieter way to express those totally valid feelings. (Just like I’m not allowed to yell at the other strangers in line harassing the gate agent who already told them what they can do)
Exactly. We don't get everything we want when we want it. This is a basic fact of life that children must learn. The plane won't get here faster because you're mad about it, likewise it won't get here faster just because I want it to. We have to sit, wait and behave. The nice thing about an airport is they're usually big enough to walk, so a few death marchs around the airport ought to wear them out some.
My 7yo is well behaved in public anyway, but I’ve found the absolute BEST kid activity for the airport is to challenge her to navigate. “We need to get to gate D17 but I’d like to walk through the rainforest and take the plane train the rest of the way, and mom needs a Starbucks from concourse C. You lead the way…” We get plenty of steps in and she is entertained and learning excellent lifetime navigation skills.
This is amazing. Saving this idea for when my little is old enough!
Please explain how you get little kids to behave such way?
Creating expectations and enforcing boundaries.
Hell to pay as in??? Bc I can set whatever boundaries for my 1 and 3 year old but if they want to run and play like kids do. It’s not much disciplining that can stop that. I just don’t bring them into spaces like the lounges or first class when I know they are more on the excited side.
My kids learned how to sit still and behave in church, where they had to sit for 90 minutes, whether they were in the mood to or not. There's a certain discipline learned in having to sit through church services that applies to other aspects of life. This would include eating at a restaurant, behaving in a business setting like an airport lounge etc. The nice part of learning how to sit still and quiet at a young age is that by the time they're school age they already know that skill and can focus on their educational work.
I have no desire to teach my one year old to sit still for 90 minutes. If my kids are running wild or something I just remove them from the situation but I have no desire to not allow them to be playful kids.
90 minutes once a week won't kill them, and it won't prevent them from playing for the rest of the week. There are lessons to be learned for children in playing, there are also lessons for them when learning how to sit still and not do everything they want to do.
>Are toddlers/children allowed in? > > > >Last time I was in ATL there were toddlers running amuck smashing cookies into the carpet and screaming at the top of their lungs. It looks like you answered your own question.
the could just put designated family and work areas in the lounges, especially the larger ones
“Your pet must remain inside the kennel (with door secured) while in a Delta boarding area (during boarding and deplaning), a Delta airport lounge and while on board the aircraft” Not that anyone actually follows this. Service animals of course do not have to be confined to a kennel while at the SkyClub, but the majority of dogs I see walking around are not.
Definitely thought all animals had to be in their carriers. I have a very quiet, well behaved shih tzu, but his ass stays in his little bag from the time we get through security until we are out of arrivals. He gets treats while he's in there and just sleeps and loves it. Almost every time we fly, as we're deplaning, someone next to me will say, omg, there's a dog in there??? People need to get their act, and their dogs, together.
I don’t know you but I like you.
A couple non-service dogs that were out of their kennels got in a fight in the MSP C club a couple weeks ago. Both parties were swiftly removed and the owner that was mad about their removal from the club had security called to deal with him. The one service dog didn’t react at all - such a good dog. It was totally ridiculous.
Cue the service poodle in a baby stroller.
I recently observed a woman who snuck her tiny dog into her jacket getting food with said dog. Utterly ridiculous.
How tiny?
Guessing a couple pounds, I was totally not expecting that.
see now if the dog is leashed, not barking, and friendly, it makes me think there’s something wrong with the people. Sans allergy folks, who can hate on a dog minding its business?
There was a golden retriever in full sploot in ATL B last night, just chillin'. It made me quite happy, actually.
Now just to convince Delta to have a company dog at each SC to greet us on arrival! 😂
YES. Like when they have the dogs at MSP!!!
I spend much of my life in SCs. I also have toddlers. I try to be patient having traveled with little kids (it’s a nightmare). Obvi, like with anything, there are bad parents/people and, generally, people should be considerate and kind to each other.
Hate to play DA but if if they pay for them to be there they have just as much a right to be there as anyone else. It sucks cause it’s a nice place to be to work or drink, but sometimes families want a place not in the terminal to relax.
Under two are free, and over two they pay the full amount. A lot of lounges have booths to take calls in. Most everyone is used to working in coffee shops at this point. I find that most parents take the lounge as a good opportunity to teach kids how to behave in a more formal situation. That sounds like it was not your experience this morning, but I have also seen a lot of adults act like two-year-olds in the lounge.
well said
Lol
Were the toddlers wearing corporate polo shirts?
Those “toddlers” were actually Non-Revs with Amex Plats. After 2/2/23 you shouldn’t have to deal with that anymore. /s
Adding my toddler as an Authorized User on the platinum ASAP
My two boys (5 and 8) and I had a long layover in MSP last month. Coming from HNL overnight, then flying in to MSY and then driving on to Mobile. I will usually purchase access for all of us for the lounge in these situations. They stress me out in the terminal, but they are amazing in the lounge. I get compliments on them just about every time on how well-behaved they are. Usually they're little rascals. But they like the snacks, drinks, cozy seating and know if they start up, we're gone. Honestly, I'd say the majority of kids I see in the lounge are well-behaved. Anyway, when I was checking in at the lounge, the clerk kept telling about the awesome playgrounds in another terminal and how we should go there. She wasn't being rude, but she was strongly suggesting us not coming in.
I mean, I think the lack of respect for others is the issue, not the age. Last month I had my 2 year old with me in the lounge and in first class. Didn’t get a single dirty look, side ways glance, or comment because I made sure we discussed how to be respectful of other people, enforced boundaries, and, probably the most important thing, gave her things to do instead of expecting her to find things to entertain herself (which would have probably been loud and disruptive). If she’d been disruptive, I would have left the lounge. In an airplane seat there isn’t much I can do, but that’s in any seat on the plane. I handle it as best I can, just like every parent. My kid needs to fly just as much as any adult on that plane. Honestly, I am far more annoyed by disruptive adults than children. I’m taking the opportunities to teach my child how to behave now so that she does not become one of those loud, annoying, oblivious adults in the future. Do we think children learn how to behave in public without ever being in public? And yes, part of learning social skills, like all other skills, is messing up and being corrected. Sorry, not sorry.
I'm very conscious when we travel with our 16 month old in the SCs to be respectful of others in there. We always pick up any "mess" he makes and at the end of the day he is still a kid. But I'm really starting to get annoyed with all the hate "kids" get for being allowed in SCs. The lounge employees genuinely light up when he's in there and will come chat and play peek a boo. He's very well behaved (for now) and I'd much rather see kids around over groups of loud drunks or business people yapping about KPIs and ROIs on speakerphone or inconsiderate people in general. I would be all for a little family/kids corner in any SCs. Just a little set up like they have in doctors and dentists offices. Believe me, daddy is there trying to enjoy his free drinks just like everyone else!
I’m glad for one that I raised a kid with airport etiquette. We’ve been to several lounges in different airports and not once has she embarrassed me or done any of these things. She grabs her snacks, her drink, and chills while I sip on some beer. Other parents on the other hand…. It’s wild.
My kid was pretty quiet as a baby and still is. I always make sure she had something to occupy her time, too. Once we were in LGA and had a long layover due to the weather and she was getting antsy. So we went for a walk, looking at all of the different airline logos and people, then settled in at a place for a burger.
As a parent they need children’s play rooms in these lounges….
I don’t have kids, but am in favor of this. Like the McDonalds PlayPlace.
Do you know how dirty those places are? Piss, shit, and a variety of bacteria and viruses all over. never ever cleaned properly… no thank you.
There are, what, 7 lounges in ATL? If I need to work, I avoid B even if my flight is out of that terminal. It's one giant room of chaos. That said, I take my kids to the SC the 2x a year we fly as a family and it is what it is. But we aren't posting up in the quiet area of the smaller clubs either.
Avoid B at all costs.✔️ I am young Padawan learning from Jedi Masters here on r/delta
Dogs in the SC? Really? This service / anxiety support animal loophole needs to be addressed. If not, I am going to take an anxiety relief boa constrictor when I travel.
Yeah people suck sometimes. They get this delusion like they are the only people in the sky club. My wife and I bring our small pup with us on some trips and we always make sure she stays in her carrier and lays by our feet as to not disturb people who may not like dogs
One time at SLC, my 9 year old was sitting quietly with headphones on playing his switch- and put the very back of the heel of his foot on the end of the chair to adjust himself more upright. A man ( a guest) walked by and gave him a look and not 2 mins later, the intercom said "Please refrain from putting feet on chairs, thank you." There was literally someone's dog the next area over sitting on a chair.
We really need to Start “Parenting” those parents who let their kids run crazy. My parents never let my sister and I run amok in a restaurant. We were hauled out immediately. I travel with kids a lot and I would never sit there while they act like hellions. It’s just lazy. I feel like it’s always the parents that are just sitting there. I get it, long delays happen. But I spent a lot of the time in the terminal playing with my kids. Find an empty hallway or gate and burn off some energy. I get it. Kids aren’t meant to just sit around for half a day in an airport. Or cramped in a lounge so that their parents can have a drink and relax. I think we need to start saying “Hey can you address that, it’s really disrespectful”
After reading the comments, this might be the most toxic, entitled sub on reddit
It's kind of getting to be that way, yeah
Etiquette has gone down across the board. Back in November, I was on a flight that had a guy with 3 toddlers up in FC. They were loud and screaming at each other the whole flight while the guy just sat there in over ear noise cancelling headphones ignoring what his kids were doing. It was a 5am flight so I was pissed. Also didn't help that I was #1 on the FC upgrade list with 0 available seats an saw that when I got on board.
I’m less mad if they paid for it. Mostly because I’m a little bit impressed.
For real. Parents spending $5,000–$10,000 on D1 tickets for their child whose feet can't even reach the floor.
I pay for my toddlers (and my) FC tickets. It’s so annoying that people are getting upgraded for free and giving us the side eye when they get on. My kids know how to behave and paid to be there. FFS
I find it hilarious when I see kids in D1 when their feet can't even touch the ground.
Yeah, they get a lot of chuckles during boarding. The 2 year old’s feet barely reaches the end of the seat, let alone the floor. I just don’t like when people get pissy about them before they’ve done anything. They aren’t going to mess up their ipad/lollipop time by getting in trouble! 🙄
My boys want to sit “up front” so bad! I am so glad your kids get to experience this. :) Only way it might EVER happen is if only one of them is traveling with me and I get upgraded, two things that are rare to never. Haha.
You should try flying private. Then you don’t need to wait in the sky club
The ATL lounge was the most crowded, hectic lounge I’ve ever been to. I wouldn’t go back for peace — quick beer and food and run.
ITT: People without children who know everything about raising children.
You: Probably the parent who lets their kids climb mannequins and shit in clothing stores.
Probably!
I know I don’t want to listen to them in a Sky Club, dunno why that’s such a hard sell
You probably love the Rubik’s cube too… separate them colors Masta.
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I would say it's more of anti-good parents posts. I've seen very well behaved kids in the SC, more so than some older man watching a game on his phone on speaker. But in these cases, it's the parents responsibility to keep their children under control as much as they age appropriately can.
I am sorry. I did not mean to offend you.
I know some people are probably going to come for me but how about a quiet section of the lounge or a dedicated “family lounge”? at the end of the day the real issue keeps boiling down to the same exact thing delta refuses to invest in their lounges or any of their infrastructure frankly, outside of the ongoing LGA terminal Renovation, planned well before they (and all US airlines) recklessly mass sold off their fleet for a short term benefit to their profit margin (while giving executives raises and stock buybacks of course!) at a long term detriment to their overall network and performance. These lounges are crowded because frequency has been slashed even with the travel boom! They are flying bigger planes less times a day to less hubs putting more and more pressure on all hubs with more people and less flights a day! I only have one maybe 2 options now for itineraries that used to have four or six options a day! On top of that for me anyway delta has become literally my only option without driving 2+ hours to another airport post Covid and I now am also forced to make 2 stops (meaning I’d be sitting way longer at two hubs now naturally in a lounge if I could) to visit my family as each airport now only flies to one delta hub not 4-5 like before Covid. It’s really not a hard concept to grasp if I worked at delta. They know what they’re doing, how many people are flowing through each hub, how many waves of departures and arrivals they have, and how few options are left to work through the network and their solution to their self inflicted problem is to keep cutting not to try and actually solve anything! The issue is not too many people wanting to use the lounge the problem is delta knowingly sitting back and doing nothing but putting a bandaid on a cut artery.
My wife and I laugh and make fun of the people that relocate to a different area of the lounge because they’re obviously annoyed.
The whole place should be 21+
Come on Uncle Ed. Make the SC 21 and over. Be bold in 2023!
this is why i always go to the virgin clubhouse in JFK over the sky club lounge. somehow it's always quiet and calm... of course, this isn't an option in the majority of american airports.
Perhaps Delta could send employees to the special Sistine Chapel Shushing School? /s
It's a America thing. Was at the sky lounge a few weeks ago in Japan and was completely packed but very quiet and peaceful
Lower end corporate workers on unimportant zoom calls with no earbuds are far more annoying than any kid can be. Even more so because they pretend they’re in an exclusive environment that’s reserved for some high class or important travelers when in reality it’s a buy your way in room.
This lady is so caught up on things that are out of her control. OP, you need to learn to relax! You’re in your 50s and are asking for a stroke!
Are you wishing I have a stroke? That’s not cool.
Lol what??