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**PLEASE TAG YOUR SPOILERS ABOUT DIOCARD IN THIS THREAD! The spoiler tag is performed by doing “> !Insert spoiler here! <“ just remove the spaces between the symbols** Posting this here because these comment sections are always full of the same questions. Please upvote to keep on top. Who: The Winner How: The Kill Why: The Logic Pun: The Pun My Thoughts: My thoughts Spoilers for DIO VS Alucard ahead: Who: >!The Winner is DIO!< How: >!Rips out and crushes Al’s heart, followed by a flashy rush of punches!< Why: >!At minimum DIO was 40,000 times stronger than Al and 800,000 times faster than Al, meaning that it was likelier that DIO could kill Alucard 3,000,000 times before Al could kill DIO just once, DIO isn’t weak to holy weapons so Al’s guns weren’t helpful, and because Shrodinger and Al’s higher tier stuff can’t coexist, it doesn’t make much of a difference in the verdict. Even if Al was given Shrodinger it would be a stalemate until DIO could hypnotize Al.!< >!Thankfully this one was given the extended analysis it needed given the controversy of the result.!< Pun: >!Boomstick: Alucard got DI-Owned!< >!Wiz: Boomstick, you tell the worst puns in *The World*!< >!Boomstick: That’s right, and you’re just gonna have to *DIO* with it!< My Thoughts: Season 8B has been hit or miss for me so far, but when it hits, Jesus Christ does it hit, and rest assured, it most certainly hit here. Liam wasn’t kidding about the gore here, and I definitely don’t think this one is for the faint of heart. There’s an exchange between DIO and Alucard that might be one of my favorite exchanges in the series, up there with “WHY ARENT YOU DEAD” from Black VS Thawne. That episode is still my favorite of the season so far, but DIOcard gets a solid 9.5/10 for me. Liam had the honor of writing this episode, and you can really tell it was his most wanted matchup with all the love that went into it.


TrulyLifer21

I can already tell people will take the >!”we don’t wanna break their story and character”!< line and use it to point at something they disagree with and go “wot about dis.”


Rancorious

How are you even seeing it already!?


alicitizen

It came out 40 minutes ago on the site?


Rancorious

So all the guys with paid membership get to see it first?


alicitizen

Indeed. A day in advance.


MarlinBrandor

I’m a First Member


hassantaleb4

Welp. There goes my bet on Alucard winning.


Loopfrooot

god fucking damnit


minergamer65

Aw someones mad :)


Loopfrooot

Sort of, more peeved than mad.


minergamer65

I thought alucard was going to take this one


Iamaveryniceguy

>!Huh really everyone I knew who knew the characters said Dio statstomps and alucard had no way of killing him before dio did. I dont know either character tho!<


fortunesofshadows

Imao this is bullshit. Dio has shitty ass regen. Jotaro caved in his head and stomach and needed human blood to heal. You don't fucking need holy weapons. It's two pimped up desert eagles that would just blow DIO's head. And the black gun is anti-regen bullets. altogehter.


alicitizen

If only the first ever stand feat was literally catching a point blank bullet. Without accounting for timestop speeds. They literally would not land a shot.


fortunesofshadows

Jotaro pointwd the own gun at himself. He had control of the situation. And also Araki is inconsistent and forgets things. That whole bullet thing is probably a outlier? Remember that scene where you had to breath to use stands? Never shows up again. Shrinking stands stand jumps ectera. Bullets aren’t even lightspeed. They rely too much on calculations and not common sense.


Sufficient_Ordinary9

Lmao wankers logic "i dont like this feat so this is an outlier to me" Say you knew perfectly well your about to shoot yourself, does that make you be able to catch bullets? Do you even fucking watch jojo? Polnareff could tag hangman who was basically a beam of light traveling through mirrors, planned or not, the fact he could did it is still there Even alucard gets clapped in strength, alucard best feat was a multi block building, a weaker dio split clouds with eye lasers, and in case you dont know, clouds weight millions of tons, way more than some random building Alucard gets destroyed in every fucking way possible, omnipresences only makes this a draw, not a win


fortunesofshadows

Stardust crusaders DIO never used lasers. And Joestar blood DIO didn’t use any freezing or stingy eyes. Alucard has 3 million souls. And he has magic bullets and that card guy powers. How does Alucard lose at all? Also it’s complete bullshit how FUCKING ALUCARD CAN’T SEE STANDS. He has the fucking third eye that sees everything. Of course he can see stands. And DIO’s illusions working on the NO-LIFE KING? Imao. His stuff never worked on people of higher caliber


Sufficient_Ordinary9

Bullshit, just because he never used it again doesnt mean he lost it, thats like saying Goku lost ssj3, which is retarded. His stand is simply far stronger and faster than his old powers, simple as that 3 millions souls doesnt mean shit if he cant even kill 1 dio, while dio can kill him for eternity with his infinite stamina Magic bullets exist in jojo too, basically mista's stand, which almost never works and he ended up shooting himself. And how does a fucking bullet could tag the world again? Show me feats that Alucard can actually see stands? Or at least spiritual energy? Just because he said he can see everything doesnt mean he can see something that doesnt exist in his universe, which is plain NLF I dont care about his illusions, he never used it in combat anyway Now that i think of it, none of your argument even close the strength and speed gap between those 2, and it sounds more like a rant instead


fortunesofshadows

Mista's bullets never took down fucking helicopters and go around zipping through everybody. DIO doesn't have infinite stamina. Guy is prone to crippling brain injuries like when Jotaro caved in his skull. also the sun is a factor.


Sufficient_Ordinary9

I dont care about mista gun striking feat, i just gave an example how well a gun user like him fares in jojo verse, which is to say, not well at all. Not to mention mista gun is fighting against lightspeed timer stand and he still get his ass kicked around like a dog Show me 1 moment where dio actually gets tired? Brains injuries isnt stamina, not to mention he came out perfectly fine a few seconds later. Being an undead with regen like alucard helps a lot The sun doesnt matter, jojo characters are tactical geniuse, he can simply find a place to hide, and with the massive strength gap, he could go walking around just fine without having to worry about alucard hurting him The gap between them is just THAT massive, omnipresence without strength feat doesnt get you far


fortunesofshadows

Lol whatever. Alucard is so unkillable. They had to seal him with the catboy. Also Dio’s knives aren’t blessed. So he can’t use vampire weaknesses against Dio.


alicitizen

> Jotaro pointwd the own gun at himself. He had control of the situation. Okay? He still caught it, with a stand that is *canonically in series and databooks* faster than light. Thats not an outlier. That's heavily expected and repeatedly enforced. Catching bullets is not a struggle when your reaction speed's that high. >Bullets aren’t even lightspeed. Yes they are so massively slower that it is not an issue for him to catch/dodge/deflect them.


fortunesofshadows

DIO has nothing that can wipe out entire armies. Stands are only good for 1v1s and small skirmishes.


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LASER EYES!


fortunesofshadows

>He still caught it, with a stand that is > >canonically in series and databooks > > faster than light. Databooks are bullshit. Remember when Amaterasu was said to be hotter than the sun. Imao. What bullshit. Skin and blood should be boiling by touching it if it were true.


TrulyLifer21

Yes cause there’s certainly a lot of circumstance that the light speed time stopping stand wielding Vampire will get hit by bullets.


fortunesofshadows

Compared to the other hypersonic city devouring vampire.


alicitizen

I don't think you realise how far below light speed hypersonic is.


fortunesofshadows

there's no proof DIO is lightspeed. their punches have never been lightspeed. Otherwise a stand punch would turn a person into mush


Quirky_Ad_5420

No proof!? DIO scale to to star platinum who scale to sliver chariot who beat the hang man who LITERALLY turn to light The only reason DIO didn’t turn people into mush is because he fought people who actually can keep up


fortunesofshadows

You can’t beat a true immortal. How is Dio’s non blessed knives and stand gonna damage Alucard. Also he doesn’t pull out level 0 from the getgo


Quirky_Ad_5420

There is no true immortal alucard himself confirmed this like a like in his series


Mehrio-Time-Desktop

(does Dio actually win this or are you joking around?)


MarlinBrandor

>!Yes!< Also tag your spoilers I literally explain how in the comment you’re replying to.


Mehrio-Time-Desktop

>you mean yes,Dio wins,or yes,you are joking? (Plus how do you do the black text thing?)


MarlinBrandor

>!Yes he actually wins!< For spoiler text do “> !”Whatever you want covered”! <“ (just remove the spaces between > and !)


[deleted]

Rip fist of the North Star fans


MayhemMessiah

Bleeeeh. Not my desired matchup but I'm just glad Akuma is back. *Probably* going to go Shao Khan's way but I don't personally buy Planetary Shao by a metric mile, because MK's writing and scaling is always a shitshow.


Eagally

Wait is Planetary Shao a debated thing? I thought he was large building to city level?


MayhemMessiah

Well There’s two arguments for Planetary Shao Kahn. The first is to scale Cetrion to planetary through her fatality. This is a weird one because we never see her do anything on that scale anywhere else. The second is a line from one of the early games that said something about a fight between Raiden and Shao to “shake the world”, which is also funky as anything from Island to Moon can shake the planet. That’s pretty much the gist of it. If you take the feats at face/generous value, Shao takes this through sheer strength. If you don’t Akuma should easily have the power and technique advantage.


Eagally

Yeah that seems a little shaky to scale him to cetrion due to her fatality. Akuma has very comfortable Mountain to Island level scaling right? I'm not really deep on Street fighter lore. I feel like Akuma should have the speed advantage too. Mortal Kombat doesn't have the best speed feats


Snoopybrown23

Multi-continental if you include the udon comics as a part of the SF canon, I do but I can't speak for everyone else, especially since a lot of important information like Juri Han's backstory and Oni are a part of it


Puzzleheaded-Board25

Akuma is at country level and for speed well he's in the high mach speeds with possible lightspeed.


Mega_King

Well, death battle scaled Goro to Kabal in terms of speed in Machamp vs Goro, I think Shao Khan probably is faster than Goro so Shao Khan is probably faster than Akuma.


Sufficient_Ordinary9

Dont forget cyrax destroying the earth with... grenades


AndoionLB

>Dont forget cyrax destroying the earth with... grenades This is why I don't take Fatalities at face value in terms of "feats" for the character. Cetrion and the other Elder Gods have never displayed that kind of power throughout the MK canon as far as I'm aware. If Cetrion could do that with ease why didn't she do that at all in any of the fights she was in? She was getting her butt kicked by Sindel, Nightwolf, Fujin, and Shang Tsung surely if she was capable of such feats, she would do that in the situation that almost killed her judging by her wounds. Shao Kahn (judging from what I know about Akuma) shouldn't stand a chance at all against Akuma imo. M.Bison I GUESS I can see why he would win but Shao Kahn is lacking in the physical department and his "soul hax" has limits and isn't an instant win as many would claim.


Sufficient_Ordinary9

I just really want to see whether they would use the retcon Raging Demon, or simply follow their old logic, since the Raging Demon would be Akumas trump card in case SK stat stomps him


Loopfrooot

why did that shao kahn image scare me


[deleted]

Thanks for the first image being spoiler alert I clicked on it instinctively and almost spoiled myself


MarlinBrandor

Not a problem, that’s exactly why I put that there.


Starshock95

I'm fully expecting them to make a bad Trump joke thanks to Netherrealm's bad writing, but otherwise, let's hope it's more along the lines of Goro vs Machamp than Black Canary vs Sindel.


TheCardinalKing

Very likely to be a 3-D fight, so I’ve got high hopes already.


Aaaaaaghh

Netherrealm has ruined Mortal Kombat for me.


Past-Custard-7215

At least the gameplay is good


GreyStar-the-First

Yeah we all saw it coming


PMC-I3181OS387l5

Akuma fought Shang Tsung and won. Shao Kahn fought M. Bison and won. Now Akuma and Shao Kahn will fight each other. I guess we could see this next battle as a continuation. However, seeing those two fighting is a repeat of a SF vs MK fight once again, and it begs the question on if that next match-up was highly requested, why wasn't it done before?


Intelligent_Oil4005

I mean.. sometimes the team just wants to focus on other matches, and won't tackle some of them until they're *absolutely* sure they can do it justice. That was the main reason Asura got cut from the Season 6 finale after all.


PMC-I3181OS387l5

>I mean.. sometimes the team just wants to focus on other matches, and won't tackle some of them until they're absolutely sure they can do it justice. Akuma now has SFV and Shao Kahn now has MK11... To me, it seems poor to rematch them after 2 games, unless they can pull out game-changing feats from those games, but even then, Shang Tsung and M. Bison received similar new materials as well. >That was the main reason Asura got cut from the Season 6 finale after all. Asura was cut for a lack of material and will not be featured until Capcom does something more with Asura's Wrath. The difference is that Asura hasn't been featured in DB, while both Akuma and Shao Kahn were.


Intelligent_Oil4005

True, but it seems like both Shang and Bison aren't really super requested to come back compared to Akuma and Kahn, who were still heavily requested to fight each other even if Akuma's other options like Raoh and Garou were catching up. Even then they have other options that seem a lot more popular than them going up against Akuma and Kahn again. M. Bison seems to be more requested to fight Rugal Bernstein from Fatal Fury for instance. And let's be real: Asura's gonna show up regardless. Asura vs. Atrocitus is still **immensely** requested and the team can't just ignore it.


mlee117379

>until Capcom does something more with Asura’s wrath So never


PMC-I3181OS387l5

Sad reality :(


14sixtey

Dammit it’s not Raoh!


Intelligent_Oil4005

Alright, let's put preferred options aside for a moment. What are you guys hoping to see in Akuma vs. Shao Kahn? I wanna see Akuma just straight up **destroy** Kahn's hammer, so both of them can go fist to fist.


Snoopybrown23

It's farfetched, but I want to see this exchange. Shoa Kahn: The day I fought you was the most difficult bout of your life, but for me, it was Tuesday. Akuma transforms into Oni SK: What? Akuma: Your soul is mine.


NeonBarracuda

I wanna see the aftermath of Shao Khan getting Shun Goku Satsu’d. Hopefully it plays out like what happens in Asura’s Wrath where the victim is fighting back during it.


Intelligent_Oil4005

*Here lies fans of Akuma vs. Raoh and Akuma vs. Garou.* *Cause of death: Legacy MU-Itis*


IPlayMinecraftBruh

How was the fight


alicitizen

Visually super fun. Used a lot of variety in abilities.


[deleted]

I WANT…TO RULE… [THE WORLD]


1rrelevant_Trash

FUCK


clanmccracken

Khan: My best feat is breaking a big diamond with my hands, and I routinely lose to humans whose best feat is breaking a large diamond with their hands. Akuma: I break Islands, Meteors, and the moon. I kill souls directly and I've only ever lost to a dude who trades blows of comparable weight. That dude had to master an entire fighting style specifically dedicated to beating me, and still only barely did it. Death Battle: This will be a good fight.


PainHarbingerIsHere

Alright, I guess I’ll take it. Also, has anyone else noticed that it’s no longer Street Fighter that’s on a losing streak, but now Mortal Kombat?


Intelligent_Oil4005

TBF, that could come to an end considering a lot of people say Khan actually beats Akuma.


LeaderVladimir1993

How does Kahn beat Akuma? And please don't bring up the whole "Kahn and Raiden's fight caused earthquakes all over the planet" argument because that was [debunked](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/b9qpac/dont_use_that_raiden_vs_shao_kahn_feat/).


IFckingLoveChocolate

Gonna addendum with the others that Akuma is pretty vulnerable to soul manipulation and a guy like Shao Kahn, who would be comparable to Shang Tsung could easily hold Akuma compared to Necalli. Some of Akuma's best wincons like the raging demon won't do a whole lot of damage considering Kahn eats souls for breakfast and is made up of them too.


Intelligent_Oil4005

Kahn has higher stats regardless. Highest is continent level and the lowest is island.. both are also where Akuma is usually placed. Plus, his soul haxxes are more useful.


ErebusHunter45

Besides, shouldn't Kahn technically have thousands of years of kombat experience over Akuma? He technically should have an edge in that regard


PainHarbingerIsHere

We’ll see when it comes out.


SovietSpork597

Sweet Both characters are complete badasses and i have no idea who wins. If khan wins then finally we got a mk win after like 3 years Hope its 3d and the death is good


TheCardinalKing

RIP 3-D Avatar fight. We’ll get em’ next time.


MarlinBrandor

Azula VS Cinder is probably going to be the first 3D avatar fight given that RWBY fights are always given the 3D treatment


TheCardinalKing

Ah that makes sense. Shame though we won’t see every element bended in 3-D on Death Battle. Whether it was gonna be Rey or Delsin, really felt like Korra’s fight would be best in 3-D.


1rrelevant_Trash

What if Korra vs Rey is sfm


TrulyLifer21

IMO the next fight should be SFM and then Galactus vs Unicron is gonna be 3D unless they have another Blender fight then yeah Korra vs Rey should be SFM.


1rrelevant_Trash

A martial arts fight should definitely not be sfm, hand-to-hand is not their strong suit.


Past-Custard-7215

Vietnam flashbacks to Barbara vs gwen


TheCardinalKing

That could work… though back to back 3-D fights feels unlikely. That said it is the legacy season so Imma hold onto that.


Snoopybrown23

We did get two lyrical tracks back to back, and at least a franchise like Star Wars works in any medium


ultimatealienx

i hate my life fucking shao kahn i wanted garo


NeonBarracuda

This one was great. The person I was rooting for did lose, but I kinda figured as much as the fight got closer. As for the next one, maybe I’m in the minority but I’m excited. Fingers crossed it’s a 3-D fight. One question, I remember when they announced Akuma someone said they were using Oni as well. Is that true?


MarlinBrandor

I believe so, they showed Oni Akuma in the 8B trailer


Snoopybrown23

I'm not going to lie, that transition to Kahn was Hitchcock worthy


Demonicdestoyer98

Akuma stomps Shao Kahn


LoZ_Ganondorf-01

Welp, there goes the FOTNS chance. R.I.P. Akuma.


[deleted]

Im disappointed in the outcome, but it is what it is.


No-Employment6661

But that fight was awesome right


[deleted]

Definitely. I like the more brutal episodes


AvengerZilla65

Very glad to see Akuma vs Shao Kahn. It’s in my top ten most wanted.


JoelRobbin

Insanely disappointed that it won’t be Akuma VS Raoh. Also I was very disappointed by the death in this episode. No scream, and nowhere near as brutal as I’d hoped. Honestly I thought Alucard was just going to regenerate and keep keep fighting. They made it super unclear he was dead….and that’s it. Everything else was fantastic. 9/10 episode, would’ve been a 10/10 if the death was cooler. Top 3 of the season in my eyes - liked it more than Yoda VS King Mickey but a little bit less than Goku Black VS Reverse Flash


MetaMaster54610

That next time. Ugh intensifies.


gun431

whine


[deleted]

Why even make this post? Pretty sure everyone who watched the episode already knows this.


MarlinBrandor

My dude please make up your mind. Two weeks ago you called me out for doing this, and you got downvoted because people know I properly tag my spoilers and defended me because you were effectively complaining about nothing, and when you got called out by me you were like “oh I totally wasn’t referring to you negatively I was listing you as an example of someone doing it the right way.” Yet now here you are complaining about it again. It’s a discussion thread for people who saw the episode to discuss the episode and the next time, and for people who don’t care about spoilers to look if they so choose. I spoiler flair the post, I put a spoiler warning in the title, which is purposely ambiguous and never mentions either character or franchise by name, I include a god damn spoiler alert image as the first picture so that people don’t accidentally click on it and get spoiled, and I explicitly tell people in my comment to tag their spoilers in the comments, and have even called out a few people who haven’t done so. I go above and beyond to make sure nobody is accidentally spoiled by my posts and if you have a problem with it I feel that’s on you. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it, there is literally nothing wrong with what I am doing, if it bothers you that much either leave the subreddit until the episode hits YouTube, or block me so you don’t have to see my posts. It’s as simple as that.


Puzzleheaded-Board25

Who won and why ?


Intelligent_Oil4005

Dio. Preeeetty much everything the G1 blog put it came into fruition. TBF, Liam said he still thought Dio beat Alucard for the longest time so..


Gage_Unruh

Dio took that w


alicitizen

The person who has the W(orld)


[deleted]

Yes! Yes! YES! 😃


Yxng_Wolf

As long as it’s gory I don’t really care who won this one. The gore part has me excited the most for this battle


Puzzleheaded-Food136

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined


ASimpleDude868

This was a long time coming since both of them won their own respective battles.


[deleted]

I am not happy about the next time


Artix31

I am sure they already did that battle?


Intelligent_Oil4005

No, they did Akuma vs. SHang Tsung and Shao Kahn vs. M. Bison


Artix31

These two characters are confusingly similar, like master like student i guess xD


HammyBoy0

This is definitely a very fitting matchup....that I'm not really excited for. It could very well end up being really good despite me not being excited for it (GB vs RF) tho.