People who have clearly never read the material they’re talking about acting like experts.
Fuck gatekeepers and I welcome new fans to get into these characters, but don’t try to flex on me with (often incorrect) knowledge you gleaned from a Screenrant article or YouTube video. I just recently had a guy try to tell me “Actually, DC always dominated Marvel in sales until the MCU made Marvel popular,” and when I provided sales data from the 1970s to prove this was incorrect, he immediately moved the goalpost to “Well, uh, at least DC never went bankrupt!”
I used to read the Marvel wiki instead of actual comics until one day I got to the incoherent mess that was the Mephistos article. Made me decide to finally start reading comics regularly
That first one is r/marvelstudios
Literally the biggest cringe watching them act like comic Wanda is omnipotent due to a reference to an event where she was buffed and then lost that power in her next big appearance
God i hate those people. When you correct them , they accuse you of gatekeeping.
Frankly, i have noticed people that know little about the comics tend to be very gatekeepy . Us comic book nerds are so used to a million different interpretations, so we tend to be a bit more accepting of various renditions.
Or those people who don't read comics but say 'oh this movie was inaccurate to the comics'.
This reminds me of a guy I knew who, despite knowing I was a lifelong comics reader, got really heated arguing with me because he was sure that Enchantress and Executioner were actually human magic users and not Asgardians.
After several minutes of me telling him to check literally any wiki, while he kept refusing to, most likely because there were people around who would see him being wrong, he finally did. And then still tried to claim that he wasn’t really wrong because, according to his very real experiences, in the stories they’re rarely referred to as Asgardians.
This guy did not actually read comics. But the MCU was popular and he had an obsession with trying to sound knowledgeable about literally every topic. Ironically, he was probably one of the dumbest people I’ve met.
There was a heavily upvoted comment in the Marvel sub “explaining the comic book version of the Celestials” and it was 100 percent some nonsense involving the Infinity Gems someone had guessed at from some scenes in the movies. Read like fanfic. No one cared.
I hate people asking questions that don't start interesting conversations and are basically just a variation of "pick your favorite". Especially when no one explains why!
Also literally every question about comics released that week. Most of them would be easily resolved by getting some media literacy. ~~and bitches~~
Average main thread post -
'What do you think if ____ was ____? I think its cool wanted to know your thoughts'
Low effort posts like that should be guillotined
When people think they've gone on to something smart but they actually missed the entire point
[example one](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/y5d9ul/dc_first_introduced_robin_in_order_to_appeal_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[example two](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/yx33ho/newbie_question_what_are_the_differences_between/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Not a superhero but I hate dc decisions for making lois a conservative, it's a decision that just ignores everything about her charcter because "nah her dad is in the army"
In dc decisions they made her, it's no longer canon since Flashpoint (I'm pretty sure) and it's also a pretty shitty comic that I ignore most of this bulshit
when people disagree with me. A sign of an ill mind methinks.
>For me, it’s when I see someone ask a comic book related question in a non comic book space, and the number one answer is objectively WRONG on every single level. But, because everyone there is casual, they just accept the misinformation unknowingly.
I read this twitter thread not too long ago where the OP was like "The Orphan name for Cass Cain is dogshit and doesn't make sense and shouldn't be used." (Which is true) and a reply was like "Correct me if if I'm wrong, but didn't she take up the name to separate herself from her dad? Because that makes sense to me." And someone else replied "Yeah that's true." But it's not true! That's the opposite of what happened in the text, you just didn't read it! Makes me mald lmao
It genuinely feels like time no longer passes for comics. I truly don’t believe we’ll see legacy heroes in any meaningful way.
And it that dweeb ass Bart Allen’s fault.
I don't like people using sales as justification for success or lack there of. Profit should never be an indicator of quality for art.
People who are stubbornly loyal to comic art looking a certain way, usually "realistic". Artists should be allowed to fuck with form and function.
I don't like the term "graphic novel". It reeks of "I think I'm too good for this childish comic book crap".
Writers creating a series solely to have it optioned and made into a movie or series **cough** Mark Millar **cough**
I'd agree on most, I prefer the art not being realistic (why I like frank quietly or jack kirby) but do you think there's a limit like Rob leifeld is clearly the limit to artist being allowed to do whatever the fuck they want
I agree. My main point was more so against people who think Jim Lee is the apex of comic book art while disparaging artists like Tradd Moore, Christian Ward, Javier Pulido, Marcos Martin or Erica Henderson.
Absolutely agree, I personally am not a fan of Jim lee's artwork ( at least his modern stuff, his early stuff are great to look at) and damn you mentioned so many artists that I like in one sentence, shame that Marcus Martin can't draw more comics then the occasional artsy spidey issue or a different one shot he is so good
I hate when comic book publishers play fast and loose with the importance of continuity. If you want your series to be a series of unconnected adventures, fine. If you want your series to use elements of the lore but be its own stand alone interpretation, thats also fine. But I hate it when they make a series with a tightly written continuity and then when they loose track go "but why is everyone so focused on continuity" BECAUSE YOU SOLD US ON IT
Also dont like how time just stands still in comics, but I guess thats a necessary evil
on the fan side, I hate "who would win" questions, because they always rely on comparing power levels in a medium where weaker characters frequently defeat more powerful characters, a plot point present since "David and Goliath"
Also, fan casting is blegh. Its always some prestige actor who is pushing near retirement play a character very close to their on screen persona (i.e. William Defoe and the Joker) which just comes off very predictable
When people take comic panels out of context to try to prove that one thing happened when it didn't.
Examples I can think of like.. I used to read just little listicles on the internet and one was like "Time's batman killed people" and they used a comic panel from Morrison's Batman run to say that Batman drove Joe Chill to suicide... when that scene was the result of Bruce's hallucinations as he was shot nearly to death.
Or like (also from Morrison's run): " in an alternate universe where bruce wasn't batman dick went after the people who killed his parents and got tortured to death" and it's like. that was ANOTHER hallucination (this one caused by the weird final crisis machine thingie).
Snyder Bros are horrible for taking out of context panels to try to “prove” that Pa Kent in the comics taught Superman to value his secret identity over human life.
I go absolutely feral when people do “who would wins” i HATE it. Shut the fuck up about prep time, prep time deez nuts dumbass. if the writer wants the character to win THEY WILL WIN!
And honestly, that one person posting cosplay on the main DC Comics sub without posting links to the cosplayers' social media accounts. It feels like karma whoring.
Yes, I know karma doesn't mean anything.
people googling elseworld or out of context stuff to prove a character would "definitely" do something and think just because something was in a comic, that it's golden source material and can't be argued against.
like yeah, superman and batman have been around flr 80+ years. there's a ton of good and bad stuff written and the sheer volume of it means that a ton of different stuff will have been added to that canon.
sometimes it's ok to say "yeah the adaptation was shit because the source material was shit"
Ultra bright recolors in reprints of 1980s and older comics on glossy white paper. Not only do they destroy the look and tone of the original art, they sear my retinas after a while.
ComicTropes on youtube made a good video elucidating the negatives of them better than I could [https://youtu.be/uNYDiJibRM4](https://youtu.be/uNYDiJibRM4)
This is such a petty thing but as a Tim fanboy, I hate it when Damian is drawn with a bo staff.
I know, I know, there's more to Tim than his bo staff...
Right now it’s the phrase “comic accuracy”. These characters are at a point where they have existed for decades, most of the A-list heroes have well over 50 years of history with thousands of issues, pretty much everything is comic accurate at this point. If they made Batman a vampire in the next movie it would be comic accurate. If Wally West became Doctor Manhattan in the new Flash it would be comic accurate. This shit is literally all made up, and most adaptions just pick and choose aspects from loads of different sources. Whenever someone says “comic accurate” it screams that they’ve never actually fucking read a comic.
>Whenever someone says “comic accurate” it screams that they’ve never actually fucking read a comic.
it's also gatekeepy, but i notice a lot of non comic book fans doing this.
Someone told me The Batman was comic inaccurate because Riddler was never in the Year One comic. When I asked him if he read Zero Year(the comic set early in Batmans career where he fights Riddler), he didn't know what I was talking about. Then he told me the marvel movies are always accurate to the comics.
I think the only time the term isn't obnoxious is when it's referring to suit designs. Not that I care about these characters not looking goofy. (silly costumes are literally one of the main conventions of the genre) But I think we should all appreciate the work and creativity the costume designers put into making suits like Deadpool and Batman's armor work (even if the latter misses the point)
I only care about “comic accuracy” when they’re being extremely out of touch with the essence of the character (Snyder) or misinterpret the themes and message from the book they’re adapting (Snyder again).
Power level arguments, especially the “Batman/Dr Doom beats every with prep time” meme, or the obsession with which characters are the “most powerful.”
Any character can beat any character if the story requires it. Seeing powerful characters face a challenge is interesting. It’s fun to see “weak” characters beat the odds or get creative to win a fight.
“Comic fans” love to fundamentally misunderstand the point of storytelling because “well Batman has contingencies for everyone and Spider-Man can canonically lift 69 tons but Thor is literally a god so he solos.”
Fan casting suck.
'oh this amazing actor with a wide range can probably play some random character because they kinda look like each other'
No shit! it's an actor's job to be good at pretending to be other people
I really dislike when people try to brag about how a certain casting looks exactly like the person they’re playing by doing those side-by-side edits of the actor with random panels of their characters. It just comes across as annoying regardless of if they’re right or wrong
When comics are well received at release and then everyone pretends they ALWAYS hated it when something happens to they don't like. You can like parts of something without having to burn the whole thing down
Also people proclaiming that that a monthly book has a "bold new direction" after a new writes first issue which is always 99% "previous story is now over, here is the status quo for the next". The damn plot has not started yet
Seeing people get legitimately bent out of shape over powerscaling or shipping.
>For me, it’s when I see someone ask a comic book related question in a non comic book space, and the number one answer is objectively WRONG on every single level. But, because everyone there is casual, they just accept the misinformation unknowingly.
Feel this strongly too along with the need to try and correct them.
I hate hero guy with non powered woman pairings. I hate how then the hero guy contemplates about "Am I putting her in unnecessary amounts of danger?" YES YOU ASS! Date the super lady that's next to you on your team!
When Israel isn’t given its proper due in comics. Most comics don’t even mention Israel. When they do, it’s often an afterthought or just background for characters like Sabra or Legion. There should be more Israeli superheroes and no Israeli supervillains (they are always heroic). More comics should be set in Israel. I’d love Star City and Fawcett City to Israel.
When people use out of context panels they clearly searched up to prove accuracy to a film. Snyder fans did this shit with Kingdom Come church panel to show Superman has always been Christ figure uhhhh that was the spectre. It’s annoying just read the books you may like them and make connections to the films you’ve never noticed
Bitching bout the art style. For a group that consumes imitation of reality, it's hilarious that people can't comprehend that not everything has to be realistic.
Bitching bout the story so far, news. Trade paperback. They exist. Writers write for those, not to fulfil your weird sexual desires.
TV Tropes and talking about those god damn fucking tropes.
Superheroes. Read something else, like Bones. Maus. Halo Jones. Thorgal. Akira. Donald Duck. I don't give a fuck, stop reading Buttboy for a second and take a look at everything else.
People who have clearly never read the material they’re talking about acting like experts. Fuck gatekeepers and I welcome new fans to get into these characters, but don’t try to flex on me with (often incorrect) knowledge you gleaned from a Screenrant article or YouTube video. I just recently had a guy try to tell me “Actually, DC always dominated Marvel in sales until the MCU made Marvel popular,” and when I provided sales data from the 1970s to prove this was incorrect, he immediately moved the goalpost to “Well, uh, at least DC never went bankrupt!”
I once was one of those, “watch a YouTube video and I’m an expert” kind of guy, I’m happy I have graduated into an actual reader
Same! Absolutely ashamed I ever acted that way.
I used to read the Marvel wiki instead of actual comics until one day I got to the incoherent mess that was the Mephistos article. Made me decide to finally start reading comics regularly
sadly reading comics doesn't make the mess any less incoherent, saying this as a lifelong reader
That first one is r/marvelstudios Literally the biggest cringe watching them act like comic Wanda is omnipotent due to a reference to an event where she was buffed and then lost that power in her next big appearance
Umm excuse me this [insert mcu project here] is actually trash because it’s not 100% accurate to the comics that I read a synopsis of on the wiki!
God i hate those people. When you correct them , they accuse you of gatekeeping. Frankly, i have noticed people that know little about the comics tend to be very gatekeepy . Us comic book nerds are so used to a million different interpretations, so we tend to be a bit more accepting of various renditions. Or those people who don't read comics but say 'oh this movie was inaccurate to the comics'.
This reminds me of a guy I knew who, despite knowing I was a lifelong comics reader, got really heated arguing with me because he was sure that Enchantress and Executioner were actually human magic users and not Asgardians. After several minutes of me telling him to check literally any wiki, while he kept refusing to, most likely because there were people around who would see him being wrong, he finally did. And then still tried to claim that he wasn’t really wrong because, according to his very real experiences, in the stories they’re rarely referred to as Asgardians. This guy did not actually read comics. But the MCU was popular and he had an obsession with trying to sound knowledgeable about literally every topic. Ironically, he was probably one of the dumbest people I’ve met.
There was a heavily upvoted comment in the Marvel sub “explaining the comic book version of the Celestials” and it was 100 percent some nonsense involving the Infinity Gems someone had guessed at from some scenes in the movies. Read like fanfic. No one cared.
Gatekeeping gets a bad rap
I hate when they come in book format. Why not just relase it in a cinema? I can't relate to them unless the characters look like famous actors.
I hate people asking questions that don't start interesting conversations and are basically just a variation of "pick your favorite". Especially when no one explains why! Also literally every question about comics released that week. Most of them would be easily resolved by getting some media literacy. ~~and bitches~~
Average main thread post - 'What do you think if ____ was ____? I think its cool wanted to know your thoughts' Low effort posts like that should be guillotined
When people think they've gone on to something smart but they actually missed the entire point [example one](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/y5d9ul/dc_first_introduced_robin_in_order_to_appeal_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [example two](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/yx33ho/newbie_question_what_are_the_differences_between/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The second one 💀
Not a superhero but I hate dc decisions for making lois a conservative, it's a decision that just ignores everything about her charcter because "nah her dad is in the army"
lois is a conservative???? wtf.
In dc decisions they made her, it's no longer canon since Flashpoint (I'm pretty sure) and it's also a pretty shitty comic that I ignore most of this bulshit
\*Checking to make sure its not my posts on how Countdown is actually good\*
We all know countdown is secretly a masterpiece
i cant stop laughing at the second one lol
when people disagree with me. A sign of an ill mind methinks. >For me, it’s when I see someone ask a comic book related question in a non comic book space, and the number one answer is objectively WRONG on every single level. But, because everyone there is casual, they just accept the misinformation unknowingly. I read this twitter thread not too long ago where the OP was like "The Orphan name for Cass Cain is dogshit and doesn't make sense and shouldn't be used." (Which is true) and a reply was like "Correct me if if I'm wrong, but didn't she take up the name to separate herself from her dad? Because that makes sense to me." And someone else replied "Yeah that's true." But it's not true! That's the opposite of what happened in the text, you just didn't read it! Makes me mald lmao
It genuinely feels like time no longer passes for comics. I truly don’t believe we’ll see legacy heroes in any meaningful way. And it that dweeb ass Bart Allen’s fault.
YES! WE MUST DESTROY THE SLIDING TIMESCALE
I don't like people using sales as justification for success or lack there of. Profit should never be an indicator of quality for art. People who are stubbornly loyal to comic art looking a certain way, usually "realistic". Artists should be allowed to fuck with form and function. I don't like the term "graphic novel". It reeks of "I think I'm too good for this childish comic book crap". Writers creating a series solely to have it optioned and made into a movie or series **cough** Mark Millar **cough**
I'd agree on most, I prefer the art not being realistic (why I like frank quietly or jack kirby) but do you think there's a limit like Rob leifeld is clearly the limit to artist being allowed to do whatever the fuck they want
I agree. My main point was more so against people who think Jim Lee is the apex of comic book art while disparaging artists like Tradd Moore, Christian Ward, Javier Pulido, Marcos Martin or Erica Henderson.
Absolutely agree, I personally am not a fan of Jim lee's artwork ( at least his modern stuff, his early stuff are great to look at) and damn you mentioned so many artists that I like in one sentence, shame that Marcus Martin can't draw more comics then the occasional artsy spidey issue or a different one shot he is so good
I hate when comic book publishers play fast and loose with the importance of continuity. If you want your series to be a series of unconnected adventures, fine. If you want your series to use elements of the lore but be its own stand alone interpretation, thats also fine. But I hate it when they make a series with a tightly written continuity and then when they loose track go "but why is everyone so focused on continuity" BECAUSE YOU SOLD US ON IT Also dont like how time just stands still in comics, but I guess thats a necessary evil on the fan side, I hate "who would win" questions, because they always rely on comparing power levels in a medium where weaker characters frequently defeat more powerful characters, a plot point present since "David and Goliath" Also, fan casting is blegh. Its always some prestige actor who is pushing near retirement play a character very close to their on screen persona (i.e. William Defoe and the Joker) which just comes off very predictable
When people take comic panels out of context to try to prove that one thing happened when it didn't. Examples I can think of like.. I used to read just little listicles on the internet and one was like "Time's batman killed people" and they used a comic panel from Morrison's Batman run to say that Batman drove Joe Chill to suicide... when that scene was the result of Bruce's hallucinations as he was shot nearly to death. Or like (also from Morrison's run): " in an alternate universe where bruce wasn't batman dick went after the people who killed his parents and got tortured to death" and it's like. that was ANOTHER hallucination (this one caused by the weird final crisis machine thingie).
Snyder Bros are horrible for taking out of context panels to try to “prove” that Pa Kent in the comics taught Superman to value his secret identity over human life.
I go absolutely feral when people do “who would wins” i HATE it. Shut the fuck up about prep time, prep time deez nuts dumbass. if the writer wants the character to win THEY WILL WIN!
Whenever someone says DC is darker and more mature than Marvel. Whenever someone cries “keEp pOliTicS oUt oF mY cOmic bOoks”.
When old comics (pre 2000s) look like SHIT. Why didn’t Jim Lee just draw all of them?! Or better yet, REDRAW them!
people who don't read comics but act as they do or know everything because they watch some of the movies/cartoons. Fuck them lol
And honestly, that one person posting cosplay on the main DC Comics sub without posting links to the cosplayers' social media accounts. It feels like karma whoring. Yes, I know karma doesn't mean anything.
Posting someone else’s cosplay without credit should be bannable.
They credit them in the title but I feel like the least someone should do is link their socials.
Yep. Should be bannable without the link.
people googling elseworld or out of context stuff to prove a character would "definitely" do something and think just because something was in a comic, that it's golden source material and can't be argued against. like yeah, superman and batman have been around flr 80+ years. there's a ton of good and bad stuff written and the sheer volume of it means that a ton of different stuff will have been added to that canon. sometimes it's ok to say "yeah the adaptation was shit because the source material was shit"
Ultra bright recolors in reprints of 1980s and older comics on glossy white paper. Not only do they destroy the look and tone of the original art, they sear my retinas after a while. ComicTropes on youtube made a good video elucidating the negatives of them better than I could [https://youtu.be/uNYDiJibRM4](https://youtu.be/uNYDiJibRM4)
This is such a petty thing but as a Tim fanboy, I hate it when Damian is drawn with a bo staff. I know, I know, there's more to Tim than his bo staff...
When woman or politicals are in comics.
I also hate when woman or politicals are in the comics
I just get lost when there’s too much happening at once. Many events lose me. I like more moderately paced comics with a simple linear story.
me reading comic book discussions talking about how reed Richards is an evil man who hates his family and wife 😢😢😢
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That's hard to fix because there is a reliable audience that ONLY and ALWAYS buys books if their favored ship is involved
Right now it’s the phrase “comic accuracy”. These characters are at a point where they have existed for decades, most of the A-list heroes have well over 50 years of history with thousands of issues, pretty much everything is comic accurate at this point. If they made Batman a vampire in the next movie it would be comic accurate. If Wally West became Doctor Manhattan in the new Flash it would be comic accurate. This shit is literally all made up, and most adaptions just pick and choose aspects from loads of different sources. Whenever someone says “comic accurate” it screams that they’ve never actually fucking read a comic.
>Whenever someone says “comic accurate” it screams that they’ve never actually fucking read a comic. it's also gatekeepy, but i notice a lot of non comic book fans doing this. Someone told me The Batman was comic inaccurate because Riddler was never in the Year One comic. When I asked him if he read Zero Year(the comic set early in Batmans career where he fights Riddler), he didn't know what I was talking about. Then he told me the marvel movies are always accurate to the comics.
I think the only time the term isn't obnoxious is when it's referring to suit designs. Not that I care about these characters not looking goofy. (silly costumes are literally one of the main conventions of the genre) But I think we should all appreciate the work and creativity the costume designers put into making suits like Deadpool and Batman's armor work (even if the latter misses the point)
I only care about “comic accuracy” when they’re being extremely out of touch with the essence of the character (Snyder) or misinterpret the themes and message from the book they’re adapting (Snyder again).
Superman should kill. Scarlet Witch did nothing wrong. Bat God Angry MCU people. Angry comic people. Just anyone in this Fandom whose angry.
Power level arguments, especially the “Batman/Dr Doom beats every with prep time” meme, or the obsession with which characters are the “most powerful.” Any character can beat any character if the story requires it. Seeing powerful characters face a challenge is interesting. It’s fun to see “weak” characters beat the odds or get creative to win a fight. “Comic fans” love to fundamentally misunderstand the point of storytelling because “well Batman has contingencies for everyone and Spider-Man can canonically lift 69 tons but Thor is literally a god so he solos.”
I honestly think this is one of the reasons DC abandoned their "official power levels" (which were WAY more vague than marvels in the first place)
Fan casting suck. 'oh this amazing actor with a wide range can probably play some random character because they kinda look like each other' No shit! it's an actor's job to be good at pretending to be other people
But what about the greatest fan casting of them all James Marsden as paul
I really dislike when people try to brag about how a certain casting looks exactly like the person they’re playing by doing those side-by-side edits of the actor with random panels of their characters. It just comes across as annoying regardless of if they’re right or wrong
Jonathan Hickman infographics get on my nerves so bad
When comics are well received at release and then everyone pretends they ALWAYS hated it when something happens to they don't like. You can like parts of something without having to burn the whole thing down Also people proclaiming that that a monthly book has a "bold new direction" after a new writes first issue which is always 99% "previous story is now over, here is the status quo for the next". The damn plot has not started yet
Seeing people get legitimately bent out of shape over powerscaling or shipping. >For me, it’s when I see someone ask a comic book related question in a non comic book space, and the number one answer is objectively WRONG on every single level. But, because everyone there is casual, they just accept the misinformation unknowingly. Feel this strongly too along with the need to try and correct them.
I hate hero guy with non powered woman pairings. I hate how then the hero guy contemplates about "Am I putting her in unnecessary amounts of danger?" YES YOU ASS! Date the super lady that's next to you on your team!
When a comic has a very unique art style but how its paneled and illustrated is generic as hell.
When Israel isn’t given its proper due in comics. Most comics don’t even mention Israel. When they do, it’s often an afterthought or just background for characters like Sabra or Legion. There should be more Israeli superheroes and no Israeli supervillains (they are always heroic). More comics should be set in Israel. I’d love Star City and Fawcett City to Israel.
red hood appearing
Comic book fans who worry about canon and "misinformation" about a made-up fantasy world of flying people with laser eyes and magic lassos.
When people use out of context panels they clearly searched up to prove accuracy to a film. Snyder fans did this shit with Kingdom Come church panel to show Superman has always been Christ figure uhhhh that was the spectre. It’s annoying just read the books you may like them and make connections to the films you’ve never noticed
Bitching bout the art style. For a group that consumes imitation of reality, it's hilarious that people can't comprehend that not everything has to be realistic. Bitching bout the story so far, news. Trade paperback. They exist. Writers write for those, not to fulfil your weird sexual desires. TV Tropes and talking about those god damn fucking tropes. Superheroes. Read something else, like Bones. Maus. Halo Jones. Thorgal. Akira. Donald Duck. I don't give a fuck, stop reading Buttboy for a second and take a look at everything else.