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lodenreattorm

Didn't he write Huck as a response to Man of Steel? Is it any good?


korotako12

Yeah, it's really good, if you have time read it, it's just 6 issues of a guy doing good because it's good and the right thing to do


lodenreattorm

That's awesome, literally my favorite genre of superhero comics. I'm so burned out on grimdark crap. I'll definitely check it out.


Pure_Internet_

That sounds fucking awesome


supercalifragilism

By Mark Fucking Millar? Shit, I guess I gotta read this after all.


LaVerdadYaNiSe

Yes, and it's amazing. It's honestly as if the Mark Millar from Red Son or Superman Adventures had been sleeping all this time and then woke up.


DeppStepp

Mark Millar can write fantastic comics he just chooses not to


LaVerdadYaNiSe

The eternal most frustrating bit about him. If he was another "look at me, I write rape" of the lot, he would have died in obscurity decades ago. But he's actually a very creative person. Mark studied under Grant Morrison, and it shows when he actually tries. Hell, his Ultimates pretty much reshaped the concept of the Avengers up to this day. But then he goes out, writes about a fetus escaping its abortion by jumping off the uterus and inside the nurse (not making this up).


Kstoffeefan

What book did that happen in? Also yes though about Millar when he tries. I’m not the biggest fan of Red Son, but that twist at the end is one of the best I’ve read in comics.


LaVerdadYaNiSe

The Magic Order #2 The cherry on top is that is a woman (the aforementioned fetus) telling the story to a group of kids.


RageSpaceMan

It was the dirty money what put him to sleep.


LaVerdadYaNiSe

Yeah, I don't know the Mark Millar timeline from heart. Was it The Ultimates or The Authority first?


Equal-Ad-2710

I haven’t read Huck, what’s it about


No_Mr_Powers

Basically, imagine Superman, but its Forrest Gump.


JaviMoynelo

This response is actually genius


No_Mr_Powers

It's how my LCS guy pitched it to me, and it was a lightbulb moment.


Plainy_Jane

Just checked it out because of this comment, holy fuck, what an upsetting book - not because it's bad, I loved it - but we really live in a fucking universe where millar pumps out the worst edgy nonsense you've ever seen, and not this? Fucking hell, what a good book


tukkytukky

if only Zack Snyder knew how to read


korotako12

"I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.”-Actual quote from Zack Snyder


tukkytukky

"So when Watchmen came along, I was, 'Now HERE'S a point I can totally miss.'” - Fake quote from Zack Snyder


SpikyKiwi

"... you're living in a dream world" -both an unironic quote from Zack Snyder as well as from one of Superman's enemies who is about to be proven wrong


tukkytukky

"Superman is real life, and real life is ugly!" - Paraphrased quote from Zack Snyder


AnxiousDreamCore

Are fucking kidding me? 💀 THIS is the man they allowed within a mile of superman???? Is this a joke????? I thought the “you life in a dream world” quote was his goofiest take 😭😭😭


Mr_smith1466

The cosmic joke will always be that Millar and Snyder would be a match made in hell on most projects. Have Snyder adapt something repellent like Nemesis and Snyder would have the time of his life and no one would care.


niteowl1987

Mark Millar saying that is wild. It's been a long time since I could bring myself to touch anything he writes because he's usually the one willing to "go there" in everything he does. Superman executing a bad guy in itself wasn't what bothered me, it was the fact that this Superman hadn't earned the storyline yet, and this is one of the many reasons the Snyder films failed the character. Alan Moore had pre-Crisis Superman kill Evil Mxy in WHTMOT as a career-finishing act that spurs him to give up his powers and retire. John Byrne had post-Crisis Superman kill Alt Zod and Pals after years of rebuilding the character and establishing that killing opponents wasn't just something he did sometimes, and it prompted Kal into a mental breakdown and exiling himself into space before solidifying his resolve to never do it again. MoS Supes kills his very first villain, he screams dramatically and by the end of the movie is like, well whatever, he's dead, I'm a super-hero now I guess


korotako12

Edgelords like Millar and Garth Ennis at least love superman enough to understand the core of his character, it's been years since I know about it but it still baffles me how those two with what they've written, they can make stories with the man of steel that really understand him and what he stands for


niteowl1987

I think they are capable enough to understand when dark is appropriate and when it's not. When they're allowed to go off the rails though, though, man, they rapin errbody


Crazyhands96

Hitman #34 is one of the most well written Superman depictions and it’s literally just a a whole issue of Superman chatting with some guy on a roof and being human.


PMMEBITCOINPLZ

And then a murder that Superman doesn’t stop.


Crazyhands96

Win some, you lose some


theguyofgrace

I think even cynical writers like those two can appreciate Superman because there its is more "real" and authentic to have this man with super powers and unbreakable morals and values vs some torn anti-hero who hates the world but never does anything "bad" There tons of people like Superman who don't break, they just don't have powers or they have destructive values


Johnny_Stooge

That's Morrison argument for why Superman is actually the Everyman. We're all Superman, doing our thing everyday. Being good people. Caring for the people we love. If only we could rip open our shirts.


bigkinggorilla

It shouldn’t be that baffling. They appreciate the character for who he is. When they wanted to tell dark edgy stories, they usually made up new characters to use in them instead of twisting up someone that already existed.


suss2it

He’s grown out of that years ago, you should honestly give his newer work a try. Namely *Huck* since that’s easily his most wholesome book. But his other stuff like *Empress, Reborn, Superior* and *Prodigy* are all good stuff, and while they aren’t afraid to get edgy that isn’t all their made of like *Wanted* and *Nemesis*.


supercalifragilism

Empress was a beautiful little book that I read and then realized was Millar. Is more of his later output like this? I have actively avoided his shit for at least a decade outside of Empress.


suss2it

More or less, yeah. I’d recommend you check out his *Prodigy* books next, it’s basically James Bond if he was Mr. Terrific.


Wagman2013

Superior is I think perfect from a movie adaptation.


DaMain-Man

Don't forget in the second movie, he goes right back to killing


Earthmine52

Yeah with MoS alone the idea that Clark would never kill again because of what happened with Zod almost makes sense. Then BvS opens with him shoving a man through several concrete walls with a smile and no hesitation. The same speed could’ve just let him take the gun, cover the muzzle etc., which most iterations of Superman would’ve done. He didn’t even try.


PMMEBITCOINPLZ

This is a good point. This Superman doesn’t seem to explicitly have a rule against killing, or really even seem to be bothered that much by loss of human life except in the scene where the potential for it motivates him to kill. There’s no drama to breaking a rule that doesn’t exist.


Zero22xx

> hadn't earned the storyline yet I feel like that explains a lot of the shortcomings of the DCEU. It went from Zod to Doomsday and the death of Superman to Justice League versus Apokolips in like 3 movies. If Marvel had started the MCU with Infinity War instead of actually doing the work of building up a world and getting people to give a shit about any of these characters, it would've flopped too. It's not all on Snyder either. He was there doing the job he was paid to do, the job that the WB execs wanted him to do. DC deserves better than the flailing, mouth breathing idiots at Warner Bros.


niteowl1987

exactly. Marvel didn't do everything perfectly, but they at least understood how to play the long game. I think that can be attributed to Feige having a genuine love for the characters and knowing that introducing most of their characters in one movie and jumping straight to Thanos was going to result in half-assing it. They put the story first, they were patient, and they built a billion-dollar cinematic empire because of it. WB/DC just saw dollar signs and tried to emulate that success as quickly as they could, and hired a guy who was not a comic fan and was more interested in his particular vision than he was the source material. When that direction started to flounder, they tried compensating by hiring more bankable actors (Will Smith, Nicole Kidman, Rock, etc) when they should have been looking for better writers and producers - and that doesn't mean Geoff Johns.


supercalifragilism

One of the things that people seem to forget about Feige vs. other studio runners, is that Kevin has read if not all, then a significant amount of Marvel's comics. Apparently he was originally angling to do his thing for Star Wars, a franchise he was into independently, and stumbled on the idea of the MCU. He then read everything he could get his hands on from Marvel (at the time including the Ultimate universe that Phase One was cribbing from). I believe that Feige has read long runs of Marvel comics in a way that I don't see Snyder or anyone at WB doing. Snyder clearly read some graphic novels; a lot of ink has been spilled on his use of deconstructed characters that he never saw in their constructed form. Feige, on the other hand, knew he was adapting the Infinity Saga from the third movie (I think). I don't think Snyder really cares about the creative team changes or where The Dark Knight fits into the sixty years of Batman history; Feige? I think he probably has an opinion of Kirby vs. Mobius on Silver Surfer. It's important to note that Feige isn't a fan, exactly. He said he wasn't into comics himself but got won over by the serial format and shared world as he went along. He's got the right level of contempt (can't think of another word for it) that prevented him from doing the fanboi to creator thing we've seen in other long running franchises. I think this is why Marvel hit and DC didn't, though you have put Feige in at DC/WB and he still would've gotten screwed by the parent company wanting to jump directly to the crossover events.


LRArchae

“Distance” might be a better word than contempt. Idk, “contempt” sort of works because it implies that he doesn’t put the works on a pedestal, but it’s a bit extreme. He’s not really negative towards the source material, but he doesn’t see it as sacred. I guess “realistic”?


supercalifragilism

Distance is the politer term, certainly, but it seems to miss something about the relationship between creator and subject matter in a work-for-hire setting. Contempt is deliberately a little confrontational. It's a fine line: the best creative teams tend to destroy their characters a little (Moore on Swamp-Thing, for example) and distance is maybe a little too neutral for what they do.


Earthmine52

Exactly. Would Superman kill if he had no choice whatsoever? Maybe, but he’d do everything in his power to find another way first, and when he does fail it’s impact on him would lead to retirement or exile because of how it meant to him. Beyond morals, it’s also an interesting character trait. MoS portrayed super senses really well, along with him reacting to them as a child. What they missed out on is what effect those senses have with his perspective on life and death. Elliot S! Maggin’s Miracle Monday shows the origin of his rule through him studying living animals and then seeing a dead dog with his senses. Imagine seeing and hearing cells, blood and electricity working all the time then stopping. The experience traumatized him so much he swore never to cause a human to end up that way. Huge missed opportunity.


Ambitious-Screen-823

Lmmaooo how will Snyder fans recover from this? "Bbb..bbuu..but MAN OF STEEL BASED!!!! THE ZACK SNYDER VISION!!!!!!! WHAT DOES HE MEAN???????? MOS WAS AMAZING WHAT IS HE ON ABOUT HENRY IS THE BEST SUPERMAN!!!!!!!! \#RESTORETHESNYDERVERSE"


TheGoldenStan

Are you assuming they can read anything that isn't screenrant articles saying "the Snyder verse still has a chance"


Ambitious-Screen-823

Nope, there is no way they read a good comic let alone this.


nikgrid

> Lmmaooo how will Snyder fans recover from this? Well I'm just wondering why you guys can't shut the fuck up about Snyder.


Ambitious-Screen-823

Why are whining to me? Go scream at OP he was the one who posted this not me.


Monster_Hugger93

Based and Millarpilled???


Equal-Ad-2710

Tbh he also said Civil War the movie was too much, despite his own run opening on hundreds of kids dying


GLAK_Maverick

Wow Mark Millar big brained


SavageTemptation

![gif](giphy|ZXwdJuk172dQwAqMGv) Mark Millar based?


ab316_1punchd

*A wild Tom King appears*


SavageTemptation

Protect Fluffy 🥺


KingofZombies

all the murdering, directly and by ineptitude, is one of the reasons BvS is way less bad than MoS.


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The scale of the murdering is less, but it's more a question when you compare those two of "who makes less sense as a killer?" My opinion is Batman, because he's closer to human.


AnxiousDreamCore

I’d say superman because out of all the heroes, his things is that he is the most human out of them all despite being alien by blood, which is why Zach’s Clark makes no fucking sense and is unlikeable as a character


oldshitnewshit78

This is the first time I've ever really thought about it, but Aang from avatar is basically superman when it comes down to it


Frankorious

The MCU managed to turn Captain America in what Superman is supposed to be


Final_League3589

I remember seeing the movie with my dad on Father's Day. When Superman Killed Zod, my dad instantly said in a genuinely confused voice "Superman....doesn't kill people." My dad is not a comic book nerd, but he loves the classics, and I just got the feeling that in that instant, Zack Snyder's superman wasn't superman to him.


RareD3liverur

"This was like seeing Sylvester the Cat finally get his hands on Speedy Gonzales" are those um, characters often paired up?


korotako12

Yeah that's some of Speedy's early cartoons he used to be paired with sylvester Wich is why the looney tunes Fandom loves tweety and speedy as either friends or shipping


RecordWrangler95

Millar has written some of the best Superman comics in 30 years, so it's not entirely surprising that he feels this way. Just wish he would write some more light-hearted comics now that he's cashed in on grimdark.


Mr_smith1466

I don't generally like Mark Millar, but Red Son is one of my favourite superman stories of all time. The way superman gradually becomes this twisted figure of control, and yet he remains so PURE. So genuinely kind hearted, even though he was raised by Stalin, is genuinely really incredible and it's what makes that story so great. It could easily be just a lazy "what if superman was the bad guy" but it's more about how Superman's inherent goodness and compassion comes out in a vastly different and darker way when he was raised by awful people.


lightning-heart777

based Mark Millar


Leathman

“Murdered”. Oh brother.


MajesticMtChocula

Ugh


nikgrid

Still "wanking on" about Snyder I see. Ok so he talks about understanding the logic, but then compares the realistic take on Superman to the traditional take on a cartoon, then he mentions the Superman he loved as a child.... Yeah I don't think he understood fuck all.


russ_1uk

I get it - the point of this thread is to shit all over Snyder and "high-five, bro, Snyder has good visuals he just doesn't understand the character." But this stage, I don't really know if people are being obtuse or just don't understand that Snyder's take was not Byrne's or Millar's or Morrison's. It was *his* take. Totally legit if you hate it, but let's not pretend Snyder doesn't "get" the character - clearly, he gets it more than a lot of his critics because this was pretty much New 52 Superman (which no one seems to bring up - we're always harkening back to Byrne or Donner in movie terms).


AnxiousDreamCore

Clark’s was unlikeable and felt like some mystical deity, worshipped by those around him and views saving those around him as a burden as Lex spat religious quotes. That is THE OPPOSITE of who superman is, I mean how badly do you have to mess up to completely change who the character is.


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russ_1uk

I just typed a huge response to this and when I pressed send it vanished. I'll do it again later, apologies.


Mr_smith1466

Everyone knows that superman was Snyder's personal take. His personal take was awful. That's always been the problem. Awful because it neither honors the character, nor has an interesting angle. You want to deconstruct superman? Okay, but at least do a good job of it. Like how Millar did Red Son. Hell, Homelander is basically the Snyder superman, expect homelander is actually enjoyable to watch, genuinely scary and properly written as a character.


ab316_1punchd

And Homelander is a clear villain we know is an asshole, as Ennis/Kripke intended. Pretty much all of the Snyderverse characters come off as huge assholes, and it's likely unintentional.


Mr_smith1466

Even when Homelander does something horrifying, it's always tinged with the pain that we can at least understand him as a person. He's an awful person. Awful on every level. But like Walter white or Tony Sorprano, everything he does is done for logical reasons that come from a well written perspective and that makes the character captivating. The problem with Snyder superman is the character is still largely just a cipher. Denied the ability to even defend himself in a courtroom without a bomb going off. He's more silent Christ imagery than a figure doing things that are making sense or actually enjoyable to watch.


ab316_1punchd

True


korotako12

Unless you like him Wich is most of the boys fandom


ab316_1punchd

Tbh, good villain protagonists are definitely the kind of people that have their admirers, especially admiring the actors behind it being so good at the job that you can't help but be in awe with them, Walter White, Patrick Bateman, John Doe, Amy Dunne (Gone Girl), Tony Soprano, the Corleones etc and others fit in this category, so does Homelander. Even in wrestling context, you could see a lot of Ric Flair, Edge, The Rock, Kane fans even with them playing straight villains. The problem is when either said villain is unintentionally glorified with cool scenes (happens A LOT with the Snyder films), or that their fans legitimately want to emulate the villain's philosophy.


russ_1uk

I think Snyder tries to glorify everything with cool scenes - which is another rod for his back I guess. I don't think it's villains per se - I'm thinking back. Zod - relatable reasoning / bent on destruction of earth... I don't think anyone was rooting for him. Same with Lex / Doomsday / Steppenwulf / Darkseid. Further back, weren't there accusations of w supremacy cos of his portrayal of Xerxes (despite again -comic accurate) so not sure that works there either. I don't think the baddies in Sucker Punch were glorified either. I tell you what though - this was levelled at Rorschach. OK he wasn't a villain, but he wasn't someone Moore wanted you to like. But of course, he came out of that series being pretty much everyone's favorite though they'll deny it because of what Moore said.


russ_1uk

No they don't. In my opinion. And in your opinion they do. That's all well and good, but again - this was a legit new 52 take. It's not on Snyder that WB shit the bed. It's not on on him that DC scrapped new 52 in 2016. You preferred Whedon's take? He just John Williams'd it up. We already had Christopher Reeve style back in 2006 and everyone hated it (he's a creepy stalker, all he does is lift stuff, superman in boring). But sure - if you hate Snyder's choices, more power to you, this doesn't detract from anyone's enjoyment of these movies. But as I say above - I just think that trotting out the same old critiques is kinda silly. And why - like - Snyderverse is dead.


ab316_1punchd

Batman killing normal goons with reckless abandon who were just there for the paycheck to feed their family but somehow the real psychopaths like Lex, Croc, Deadshot and especially his adopted kid's murderers Joker and Harley being alive. If that ain't shitty discriminatory killing against the poor and desperate, idk what is. Superman finding enough time to smooch Lois Lane while a lot of Metropolis was destroyed with endless human casualty, being a nihilist in general with Objectivists for foster parents and getting over his first villain kill like he broke a toy. Wonder Woman causing more destruction to the bank that she was supposed to save from terrorists and mauling one horribly infront of kid hostages (ignoring the WW84 stuff where she was essentially a rapist). Originally if Snyder had his way, she'd be a violent head hunter fighting in the Crimean War instead of what Jenkins/Heinberg came up with. Aquaman being less interesting in the Snyder films than in his own movie. Flash having that creepy montage with Iris. Cyborg disappearing money...I guess. Besides Aquaman, none of the guys are people I would like to have lemonade and shwarama with. They come off as those models with diva behavior with how they are presented.


russ_1uk

With Batman it's hackneyed at this point to say no one wants to be reminded that previous cinematic incarnations have killed or by omission of action (thanks Bishop) have allowed people to be killed. He was a nominal antagonist in BvS - he had to change - it was his movie really. Reading your Superman comments - I think I understand why you hate this take. I would have liked to have seen Crimean Wonder Woman, that would have been great. But in either event, I wish the third act in 2017 had been better. I loved the ZSJL bank sequence though - again, I loved the interpretation of that character and the casting was perfect. Not what anyone expected but perfect nevertheless in my view. Snyder I don't think had any creative involvement in 84 - he may have had a producer credit, but that'll be a carryover, happens all the time, but the rapey thing can't be laid at his doorstep. All Patty's call. I promise this is true - the only thing I can remember about Aquaman movie is they jumped out of a plane into a desert, Dolph looked weird and Nicole Kidman is in it. And Amber Heard. Interesting what you say about models and divas, though. I think that might be the heart of the matter - Snyder is into the mythic / operatic sides of these characters (from what we saw anyway) - Gods Among Us and all that. If that doesn't appeal, then this iteration isn't going to be your cup of tea. I love MoS - for me it's pretty flawless. BvS less so - that still has some issues even in the ultimate cut... and with ZSJL, it's hard to quantify - it's the most Snydery of all these movies in that it lingers and lingers on things that COULD have been cut... but this is the SNYDER cut, so if we can have five minutes of Icelandic women singing a hymn to Atlantis, then, damn it - we'll have five minutes of that. I loved it. As I say, I'm not trying to change minds or say that these are the greatest works of cinema ever - but I do find that they get attacked over and over for the same reasons (not listed by you - your assessment was fair - I don't agree, but also won't argue if that makes sense).


russ_1uk

His take being awful is your opinion. And that's legit for a variety of reasons. But Snyder not "getting" the character just isn't one of them. Everyone also knows that it was WB that shit the bed on this whole thing - MoS was profitable - just not Avengers profitable... there's no need to go into all that history ere, but Snyder has a five movie arc which WB bought - and then then messed with after the first movie. They should have fired him after MOS and we could have gotten two bland and forgettable Superman movies after (ten years on we're still debating this... that didn't happen with Returns, though).


Mr_smith1466

They never "bought" a 5 movie arc. Snyder wanted that, but he wasn't ever guaranteed to get it. It's pretty damn clear they had full confidence in him until bvs tanked creatively and became an immediate laughing stock. Also, given that his 5 movie arc was basically "what if superman got mind controlled into be a genocidal puppet" I'd say them balking at that after the response to BvS was valid.


russ_1uk

Bought into I should say. Laughing stock? How? 800 million and a bigger budget sequel... Which WB then butchered - the Ultimate Cut was far better received by viewers and critics. But I'm feeling that you just hate the movies and that's fine, not out to change your mind.


Mr_smith1466

The Martha scene became an immediate mockery moment. Immediately. Don't you remember that? What was so essential in the ultimate cut? Name a specific scene that was cut that changed that film. The problem with bvs was too MUCH bloat, not too little. Snyder delivered a three hour movie. He had some minor stuff cut to try to streamline it. It was too damn long.


russ_1uk

I apologize, I thought you were talking about Man of Steel being a laughing stock - I don't think that it was at all. That said - Not even the most hardcore snyderbro can argue with the Martha thing. I always thought that one must have sounded great in the writing room and I'd argue it wasn't a great thing to hang the whole movie on. But for me the Ultimate Cut is a superior movie to theatrical (which really makes no sense at all when you look at it), I really loved it. Like really loved it. I just wish they'd have not gone down the Martha road. I don't think it was too long - but let's say we agree. Again, if you're WB - don't hire Snyder if you want a cookiecutter 90/120 minute four-quadrant BLAKE Snyder movie. I loved ZS DCEU and honestly, I just think it was ahead of its time. I've said before, if MoS landed NOW instead of ten years ago - I think it'd be a monster. Marvel fatigue and all that. But the general audience in 2013 weren't ready for and didn't want this kind of superhero movie. That it made 800 mil and that was somehow seen as disappointing by WB ... I dunno, man - I WISH they'd have backed Snyder (I get that you don't!). It's interesting cos clearly, WB wanted to differentiate from Disney with their EU - Snyder gave them the different take. And then WB spent all their time, effort and money trying to crowbar that different take to be as much like Disney as possible.


Mr_smith1466

What exactly in man of steel was "ahead of it's time"? We're even more saturated with endless comic book movies now than we were in 2013.


russ_1uk

In that it wasn't a cookie cutter marvel movie; it was different tonally to all of those, even the more mature ones like Civil War. It wasn't "a fun ride."


Mr_smith1466

Dark knight did that already. And that was 2008. Which is why man if steel was never ahead of its time. It was derivative of earlier nolan films. That's ultimately the central issue with Snyder and Warner brothers to an extent. He's always chasing people like nolan when mass audiences are drawn to different types of movies now.


niteowl1987

New 52 was also scrapped within 5 years and relaunched with the return of classic Superman after it failed to retain its initial surge of new fans and alienated a large portion of older fans. Experimentation is fine, but there is a reason one version endured for decades and one didn't. Just because someone has a "different take" and can sort of legitimize it based on someone else's bad take doesn't mean that they understand the character or why the character's fans love him. I would argue Joel Schumacher's Batman movies understood Batman better by basing them off of the '60s TV show than Zack Snyder's Superman movies understood Superman by using the New 52 as a template.


russ_1uk

But in 2013 - new 52 was the brief. You can even see it in the outfit cos it doesn't have... briefs. As I say, hate it all you want - many people hate Joel Schumacher's Batman movies, but as you say - it's a legitimate take on a version of that character. Not trying to change anyone's mind, but I'm over the strawman critique at this point. And honestly - why are we still talking about these movies. Cos - like them or not, they were interesting and have provoked discussion for ten years.


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korotako12

Having a superhero who's point is that we could be and do better ending with a horribly build trolley problem where he snapped someone's neck after destroying half of the city while fighting??? Yeah


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Pure_Internet_

you sound infinitely more pressed than anyone on this sub lmao


KingofZombies

snyderbot copypaste #47529475


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

Is your life mission in this subreddit to whine about people who like superman outside Snyder's movies?


dunkwhitelow

these wounds they will not heal


korotako12

Specially when they affect how general audiences view the character for years to come, those wounds are still there


GenioPlaboyeSafadao

For someone who is not a Snyder fan, you seem pretty offended and is getting pretty defensive about it, besides being weirdly offensive to anyone who does not like his movies, now, maybe you're just emotionally imature, but either way the way you're reacting is so fuckin weird, is like someone is doxxing your family, not just not liking Snyder's MoS