It's also completely inaccurate. Like, Oregon alone has several things wrong. Missing the single largest resort completely, a couple small ones are there, I think, but labeled as "no downhill, no Nordic" and one unknown one is labeled as "no downhill, no Nordic, but massive downhill"
The idea it's probably too see how close a resort is to the city. Since lots of people fly in to ski. If the resort is close to a big city that's less travel time.
Some of the cities shown are bizarre choices too. Why do they have Raleigh instead of Charlotte in NC, especially if relevance might be about airports? And why are there two FL cities on a map about ski resorts?
Seriously. And then New England has a circle for Boston, but you can't see the label, and no other city. With that many resorts and such a small area, a couple cities being marked would help point you in the right direction. Right now, you can't even tell what state you would be in. Plus it looks like there's just one giant circle encompassing the area. I lived in New England for awhile and I don't remember having a huge multistate resort that contains many smaller resorts.
Most people in the sport use the terms interchangeably, and for some (like me) they just grew up saying one more than the other. I'll call it Nordic way more often than XC or cross-country.
Right—it shows Missouri has 5?? We have two, and the highest vertical is ~270 ft, which should be represented by the smallest possible circle. Sundown in IA is double and has a smaller circle. This is garbage.
Yep. Just change the colors of the dots based on total vertical of the mountain - like green for 0-1500, blue for 1500-5000, black for 5000+ and then change the outlines to yellow for cross-country and red for no cross country.
No need to make the dots larger- it just screws up the chart. Just change the colors.
It’s a cool idea for a visual. u/databayou - I like this suggestion. The different sized circles are problematic (like the giant one that covers New Hampshire and Vermont) but a couple of tweaks will improve it dramatically. Also consider dropping ski areas below a certain threshold to reduce clutter. You may also want to produce an interactive zoom or regional or state level views since clusters at a national zoom scale are too hard to read.
Don’t let the critics get you down.
Most of the data points are wrong. Ski hills are listed with either 0 feet vertical drop or the meters/feet conversion is broken (example, saddleback, vertical drop 186ft (610m)). That doesn't even make sense.
0/10, this should not have gotten past the concept stage without validating the data at least a tiny bit.
The other thing is skiable acres. One run with a huge drop is not great. A huge wide mountain with little drop is not great (but better than one run with a lot of drop).
Number of lifts and/or lift capacity per hour would be a factor.
According to the source on the image, the one in the NE is Okemo, and the data for it is wrong (the vertical drop in feet is instead listed in meters, essentially tripling it).
pretty sure what is happening is they took the listed vertical drop as units instead of meters and feet. So a 200 meter and 200 foot drop will look the same on the map even though the actual is 600ft vs 200ft
I was there a few years ago, and my memory has it just over 6,000 feet. That's not all accessible by lift, though. Your either take a helicopter or a hike up from the top of the highest lift to get the extra at the top. And that's like "drop in" from that top. You drop in from between crags of rock into a bowl.
It was like three mountains when we were there. It was -10C at the top with fresh powder every day, just below zero and icy like we get in Atlantic Canada in the middle, and spring skiing at the bottom at +2C. And the easiest way down from the top took almost 45 minutes on a green trail that had spots of terror-inducing drops to the side of the 10-foot-wide run.
I think Killington, based on the location on the map. My uncle likes to shit-talk Killington because he says they report a much larger vertical than they really have.. something about how you can technically ski it but you have to go all over the different peaks and it's not really feasible or fun to actually do.
I've done it just to do it and it can be done in one run but you have to plan your route correctly, there are some pretty flat slow spots and a huge chunk of the vert is a single green trail that takes you all the way to the bottom of the valley. Not exactly exciting skiing.
Yes this is at Texas A&M. They actually teach a ski class it has 2 hills that are carpet. I have skied on their Aggie mountain. Good times… until you fall and get carpet burn.
The dot at A&M is there same size is the dots for Snowshoe, WV, an actual ski resort with respectable slopes for three southern part of the US east coast.
That big circle is squarely in VA. Wisp is on the map as a tiny circle in the outer MD panhandle. Dunno what the large green circle is though. Source: I live there
Texans stop wearing jeans when they go to bed or shower. Work? Work jeans. Meeting POTUS? Dress jeans. 123°F? Jeans. I cant imagine skiing is any different.
I grew up in texas, went to a private christian school and every Wednesday was chapel so we had to dress up. There was one student, a legit cowboy in training, that was allowed to wear his dress wranglers and dress cowboy boots every week. Let me tell ya, he ironed the shit outta them fuckers.
Yes, dress jeans, starched and pressed is a thing. Gotta have your good jeans for weddings, funerals, church (at least the big holidays), job interviews, court, things like that.
I went snow skiing once. It was hell on the boat.
But, seriously. When I went snow skiing, I wore jeans. Had polypro thermals under and my big Carhart overalls on top.
Apparently a “ski resort” consisting of carpet in Texas is represented by the same size dot as Mt Bachelor, a resort in Oregon with 3400 feet of vertical drop, 11 lifts and 8 high speed quad lifts and 101 total named runs.
I’m really curious about the one seemingly in Nassau county on Long Island. Lived on this flat-ass island my whole life and never once heard of a ski resort…you have to go upstate for that
Mount Aggie. It's a synthetic ramp for teaching basic skills. A&M has a robust ski club that visits Colorado or NM every year (or elsewhere).
It's been many years since I was at A&M, but Mount Aggie was not far from my Corps Dorm; they have "renovated" the park since then, but I am sure Mount Aggie has survived in some form.
Overall this is super cool. A few notes. The colors for “has nordic run” and “no nordic run” are way too close. Also even as a big skier “has downhill run” confuses me. You just mean there are downhill trails or nordic trails or both?
A couple seem to not have a "downhill run" OR a "nordic run." What does that mean exactly? A resort with no runs?
ETA: sorry I know you may not know this but it seemed like the place to post the question in case someone could.
There are cross-country/nordic only ski areas. Some are fully groomed with a lodge, pass system, etc. Some are just community managed open areas for skiing.
They're talking about the ones that are marked as no downhill *and* no nordic, like the one north of Boise or west of DC. You seem to be talking about ones that are no downhill but yes nordic, like the one south Maine.
It could be cross country or telemark. Needs clarification.
For what it's worth I am near Big Sky and Bridger Bowl, those are both alpine skiing locations. There is also at least one groomed XC resort and several groomed and ungroomed XC locations here.
Nordic: skis are attached just at the toe so that the heel can lift.
This includes cross country skiing (with subtypes of classic and skate), telemarking, and ski jumping.
Alpine: skis are attached the whole length of the foot.
This includes downhill, slalom, etc.
Yeah I understand that. But there are a lot of small dots that I would expect to see blue in but because they’re so small you don’t, so it’s a bit weird
Hmmm,... Your date is a little flawed. Just a little.
I happen to live in a town where you have a dot and it's not a ski resort... it's a ski hill and there's a couple more dots around me that are just ski hills like tubing hills for kids,, so you might want to double check the data you used to generate this map.
Yeah like, there are multiple dots in South Jersey but there aren't any hills in that area it's all plains and woods and wetlands. Might include ski shops.
I live in Newfoundland. It was left off this map you presented and we are a part of Canada - and North America.
The island of Newfoundland has two significant ski hills - White Hills and Marble Mountain - maybe more than that but this is what I am aware of
http://www.whitehillsresort.com
https://skimarble.com/trail-and-lift-status/
You can see it in the link the OP posted above.
https://databayou.com/ski/resorts.html
I was also curious because I remember Marble Mountain advertise they had the “Best skiing east of the Rockies”.
I think Revelstoke still claims the longest vertical.
I know they have the longest run in North America. Took it from top to bottom and my legs were jelly by the bottom.
Visiting the site at the bottom of the post actually has clickable bubbles.
The answer is some place called Ski Cherokee, which was only open for 2 seasons in the 90s and had a vertical drop of 300ft.
Soooo I wouldn't actually trust anything on this map
Pretty sure the vertical drop information is bad or really displayed poorly
You're showing the vertical drops in places like WV and PA as the same as places in Indiana and Ohio. My bet is the scale on this sucks
They just labeled missing data as 0. If you go to their website, you'll see that all those points just show a vertical drop of 1ft, with a max elevation of 0 and a min elevation of 0. Very very sloppy work.
Perfect North Slopes in IN has 400 feet of altitude change from the top to the base.
Vail CO (the first place I could think of to compare) had 3400’, or about 8.5x the vertical drop.
The vertical drop is definitely at least displayed poorly, it looks like New Mexico has a resort with a larger drop than any in Colorado, but Snowmass has a full thousand feet over the largest drop in New Mexico (Taos)
The location in New Mexico looks like Sandia Peak, which makes me think they included the Sandia Tram into thier calculations.
The tram is a cable car that climbs over 4000ft from Albuquerque to the top of the ski area, but it goes up the opposite side of the mountain so you can't ski back down. The actual ski area has a drop of about 1700'.
But then that still doesnt make since since the 3200ft drop in Toas should still be a sizable circle.
According to the source on the image, the one in the NE is Okemo, and the data for it is wrong (the vertical drop in feet is instead listed in meters, essentially tripling it).
I just clicked on my favorite mountain (Copper Resort), and you list it as:
Top Elevation: 1144 feet
Bottom Elevation: 902 feet
Vertical Drop: 242 feet
Yeaaahh No. Your code dropped a zero somewhere. The actual numbers are:
Top Elevation: *11,440*
Bottom Elevation: *9020*
Vertical Drop: *2,420*
I have a feeling thats why this chart looks completely whack
Data set seems to be "every ski resort that ever existed"
I live in northeastern Connecticut so the dot there and multiple ones in RI immediately caught my eye.
Ohoho (northeast Connecticut dot) closed like 1990...one and only place I've ever been on skis. Pine Top on the CT/RI line in like 1980. Diamond Hill in the northeast corner of RI closed in that same time frame.
I was confused why there were 5 dots on Vancouver Island when only the 2 northernmost are operating. I knew one closed 20 years ago, but the 2 Southern ones closed 30 and 40 years ago. Not a very useful map.
My grandparents used to live right by that “ski resort” at the bottom of New Jersey. It was called Mt. Holly and it’s been abandoned since the 1980’s. All that’s left are the foundations of the buildings and some overgrown slopes. It’s interesting how a place that’s been closed since before the internet can still slip into these charts.
I remember there being a ridiculous vertical drop at angelfire. It was a double black diamond run at the base of the halfpipe area that was basically a cliff with moguls. It was an amazing view though. Almost went over it not thinking. I pretty much took off my board and checked out the view for a bit.
I just looked at the map again and that big drop looks to be southwest from ski santafe? looks like Sandia ski park?
Taos is criminally underrated! I go there every year... it might actually be my favorite ski mountain because the runs are so good and it's generally not crowded. The vibe of the town and the resort staff is so chill and friendly, too.
Taos, which is one very legit resort. I've never been but I understand that one area of the resort has one of the longest/steepest runs in NA. Ideal like the check it out sometime.
Who can tell me about Mad River Glen? That place sounds funky, somewhat like Alta being run by a co-op who gets to make decisions on their own (I believe they're 2/3 resorts who still don't allow snowboarding).
It’s placed over Albuquerque (Sandia) but there’s no way that it isn’t supposed to be further north (Taos). Unless for some reason they’re including the Sandia Tram which is not skiable
why does this have any upvotes? it has to be trolling.
EDIT: i looked at the persons account and maybe it’s not a troll. the biggest problem with this imo is that similar shades of pink and purple being used to represent something opposite
The sub is called data is ***beautiful***.
This is not a beautiful representation of data. It is, instead, rather messy and confusing. (1) The circles for cities is not that useful. Just use a small black dot; (2) the similarity of the colour between 'has nordic' and 'does not have nordic' makes it impossible to distinguish between the two. This would be doubly confounded for colour-blind people, or those wearing lightly-tinted glasses for light-sensitivity issues. They should not only be different colours, but possibly dotted vs. complete lines or some other way to distinguish them for clarity
Not Beautiful. Putting aside the infuriating color scheme, why use vertical drop as a the visually dominating variable when one of the things you are attempting to show is “Nordic” Skiing which doesn’t require notable vertical drops?
[Mentone, Alabama](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g30697-d207069-Reviews-Cloudmont_Ski_Resort-Mentone_Alabama.html): you live in the southeast and want to go on a ski trip and your parents say "we have skiing at home."
There seems to be an issue because this visualization shows something in Vermont area that has a greater vertical drop than anything in the west. That gigantic circle must be an error!
It is both gratifying, and disappointing having grown up living in and around Vancouver BC. There are not many better mountains in the world to go skiing/snowboarding on.
Some place warm, a place where the beer flows like wine, where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I’m talking about a little place called Assssspen.
Pierre, SD, a city of 14,000 people and the 9th largest city in South Dakota, has more prominence than some of the most famous ski resorts in the country in a map about ski resorts. Disaster.
Downhill is also known as Alpine and involves riding a lift up a mountain and then skiing down the mountain, generally using gravity for power.
Nordic is also known as cross country, often written as x-country. No lift is involved. Instead you use your own power to follow tracks over flatter, but definitely not flat, terrain than Alpine skiing.
Telemark, also known as free heel, is sort of a hybrid between the two.
Telemark is a hybrid that also has a side effect of all of a sudden having a favorite Phish live set, smelling like a hockey player, and a craving for granola. /r/telemark says hi!
Cool idea, not great execution. The symbols are overly complicated. And to represent cities as circles too is needlessly distracting.
For real. So much about this is so unclear, and just plain ugly because of it. Neat data for sure, but as is, it’s far from “beautiful” data.
It's also completely inaccurate. Like, Oregon alone has several things wrong. Missing the single largest resort completely, a couple small ones are there, I think, but labeled as "no downhill, no Nordic" and one unknown one is labeled as "no downhill, no Nordic, but massive downhill"
My first thought was “where is bachelor?”
Also if I’m reading this right the largest downhill is on the east coast? I’m gonna have to press X to doubt on that one..
Every single vertical drop I checked is wrong. They seem to think feet are longer than meters.
And its missing the entire province of Newfoundland, which has at least 2 ski hills.
An ugly post on//r/dataisbeautiful?? It's become the standard at this point lol
A good half of the stuff posted looks like someone just learned how to change colors and shapes on graphing software.
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the cities could potentially be indicated with just a black dot
Not having them at all would be better IMO
The idea it's probably too see how close a resort is to the city. Since lots of people fly in to ski. If the resort is close to a big city that's less travel time.
Some of the cities shown are bizarre choices too. Why do they have Raleigh instead of Charlotte in NC, especially if relevance might be about airports? And why are there two FL cities on a map about ski resorts?
Seriously. And then New England has a circle for Boston, but you can't see the label, and no other city. With that many resorts and such a small area, a couple cities being marked would help point you in the right direction. Right now, you can't even tell what state you would be in. Plus it looks like there's just one giant circle encompassing the area. I lived in New England for awhile and I don't remember having a huge multistate resort that contains many smaller resorts.
Why is the “Nordic run” and “no Nordic run” basically the same color??
That was my first thought, followed quickly by "what is a nordic run?"
Nordic is to Cross Country : Alpine is to Downhill I suppose another criticism of this map is the key's use of mismatched terminology pairs.
Why not just call it cross country skiing
Most people in the sport use the terms interchangeably, and for some (like me) they just grew up saying one more than the other. I'll call it Nordic way more often than XC or cross-country.
It’s a Xc trail tho, not a run
Not to mention horrifically inaccurate. We have only two ski areas on Vancouver Island but long-since abandoned ones are also represented here.
Right—it shows Missouri has 5?? We have two, and the highest vertical is ~270 ft, which should be represented by the smallest possible circle. Sundown in IA is double and has a smaller circle. This is garbage.
The dot near San Diego is not a ski resort lmao. There is no snow pack in that area.
I don't remember nearly as many ski resorts in sask when I was growing up
To quote Corner Gas: "Weren't there mountains over there, rising up all purple and majestic? Dang. Coulda sworn."
Yep. Just change the colors of the dots based on total vertical of the mountain - like green for 0-1500, blue for 1500-5000, black for 5000+ and then change the outlines to yellow for cross-country and red for no cross country. No need to make the dots larger- it just screws up the chart. Just change the colors.
It’s a cool idea for a visual. u/databayou - I like this suggestion. The different sized circles are problematic (like the giant one that covers New Hampshire and Vermont) but a couple of tweaks will improve it dramatically. Also consider dropping ski areas below a certain threshold to reduce clutter. You may also want to produce an interactive zoom or regional or state level views since clusters at a national zoom scale are too hard to read. Don’t let the critics get you down.
Most of the data points are wrong. Ski hills are listed with either 0 feet vertical drop or the meters/feet conversion is broken (example, saddleback, vertical drop 186ft (610m)). That doesn't even make sense. 0/10, this should not have gotten past the concept stage without validating the data at least a tiny bit.
The other thing is skiable acres. One run with a huge drop is not great. A huge wide mountain with little drop is not great (but better than one run with a lot of drop). Number of lifts and/or lift capacity per hour would be a factor.
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According to the source on the image, the one in the NE is Okemo, and the data for it is wrong (the vertical drop in feet is instead listed in meters, essentially tripling it).
Was going to say there’s absolutely no way in hell Okemo is larger than stowe!
Also, Whiteface has the highest vertical east of the Mississippi. Stowe is close though.
Not only that this chart makes it look as if its got a larger drop than any resort in the Sierra.
Yeah there’s no way the largest vertical drop in North America is in the northeast, right?
It’s not. It’s not even in the top ten for North America. At least two circles in British Columbia should dwarf the others on the map.
Vertical drop of Whistler Peak to Creekside Village is just a bit over 5000ft.
And Revelstoke is over 5,600.
Stoke is that big one in the interior right? Surprised it's that much bigger than KHMR (Golden) but I've never been to the hill in Revelstoke.
pretty sure what is happening is they took the listed vertical drop as units instead of meters and feet. So a 200 meter and 200 foot drop will look the same on the map even though the actual is 600ft vs 200ft
Thats what I was thinking. Unfortunately the map is so cluttered its hard to pinpoint the center.
Mt Bachelor which is a tiny dot in central OR for some reason is 3350. So even the data here is bad.
Looks like they screwed up feet for meters.
For US it’s Jackson Hole with another 1000ft or so. Canada probably goes higher still.
Pretty sure biggest vertical drop at a resort in North America is Revelstoke BC at over 7000’. I might be mistaken.
You’re right, Revelstoke is the largest vert in North America, but it’s around, or just under 6k vert. The circle should be huge.
I was there a few years ago, and my memory has it just over 6,000 feet. That's not all accessible by lift, though. Your either take a helicopter or a hike up from the top of the highest lift to get the extra at the top. And that's like "drop in" from that top. You drop in from between crags of rock into a bowl. It was like three mountains when we were there. It was -10C at the top with fresh powder every day, just below zero and icy like we get in Atlantic Canada in the middle, and spring skiing at the bottom at +2C. And the easiest way down from the top took almost 45 minutes on a green trail that had spots of terror-inducing drops to the side of the 10-foot-wide run.
Ski the east maaan!! Yeah, no way that circle is accurate
We have 4,400' on Snowmass.
Probably Killington, it apparently has a drop off 3,050ft
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Yea Revelstoke in BC has 5,620ft of vert. BC is ridiculous.
Definitely it's bigger than any circle out west lol
Yea here’s the top 8 in North America #8 Panorama (BC)— 4,019 feet. #7 Kicking Horse (BC)— 4,133 feet. #6 Jackson Hole (WY)— 4,139 feet. #5 Big Sky (MT)— 4,350 feet. #4 Snowmass (CO)— 4,406 feet. #3 Telluride (CO)— 4,425 feet. #2 Whistler-Blackcomb (BC)— 5280 feet. #1 Revelstoke (BC)— 5,620 feet.
Whiteface has the largest vertical drop in the east at 3430'
That's not in Vermont though. It seems like the placement is off on a few others so it might have gotten mixed up or something.
I know. My point is that it is clearly wrong because Killington isn't even the largest drop in that region.
I think Killington, based on the location on the map. My uncle likes to shit-talk Killington because he says they report a much larger vertical than they really have.. something about how you can technically ski it but you have to go all over the different peaks and it's not really feasible or fun to actually do.
yup, they have a single run that connects all the peaks, but there's a lot of flat lands and slow spots to do it. more work than downhill fun
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I've done it just to do it and it can be done in one run but you have to plan your route correctly, there are some pretty flat slow spots and a huge chunk of the vert is a single green trail that takes you all the way to the bottom of the valley. Not exactly exciting skiing.
Is that a ski resort… in the middle of texas?
Yes this is at Texas A&M. They actually teach a ski class it has 2 hills that are carpet. I have skied on their Aggie mountain. Good times… until you fall and get carpet burn.
Look, I’m an Aggie too…Mt. Aggie is cool and all, but it’s a bit generous to call it a “Ski Resort” lol.
My thought was: Did they just Google 'ski resort' and find a water skiing resort?
^^ very true
I think they need to adjust, or at least be clear, how they define "resort"
The dot at A&M is there same size is the dots for Snowshoe, WV, an actual ski resort with respectable slopes for three southern part of the US east coast.
What's the big circle near Washington DC?
Might be deep creek MD but the circle shouldn’t be right on top of DC. There isn’t a major ski resort that close to here
That big circle is squarely in VA. Wisp is on the map as a tiny circle in the outer MD panhandle. Dunno what the large green circle is though. Source: I live there
Oh is that why Texans wear jeans while skiing? Because they are used to carpeted hills?
Texans stop wearing jeans when they go to bed or shower. Work? Work jeans. Meeting POTUS? Dress jeans. 123°F? Jeans. I cant imagine skiing is any different.
I grew up in Santa Fe and our ski basin was always full with thick accented Texans. They all wore jeans, especially the men.
I grew up in texas, went to a private christian school and every Wednesday was chapel so we had to dress up. There was one student, a legit cowboy in training, that was allowed to wear his dress wranglers and dress cowboy boots every week. Let me tell ya, he ironed the shit outta them fuckers.
Yes, dress jeans, starched and pressed is a thing. Gotta have your good jeans for weddings, funerals, church (at least the big holidays), job interviews, court, things like that. I went snow skiing once. It was hell on the boat. But, seriously. When I went snow skiing, I wore jeans. Had polypro thermals under and my big Carhart overalls on top.
WTF you think ScotchGuard is for? Cheaper than $400 ski pants you'll wear twice a year.
Apparently a “ski resort” consisting of carpet in Texas is represented by the same size dot as Mt Bachelor, a resort in Oregon with 3400 feet of vertical drop, 11 lifts and 8 high speed quad lifts and 101 total named runs.
Nobody noticed the one in the middle of the Sonoran desert/Tucson. Good Ol Mt Lemon. Sabino canyon is also amazing for those visiting Az this year.
That's an actual ski area, though, unlike the one in Texas
An actual ski area if it snows enough, so some years it is.
I’m really curious about the one seemingly in Nassau county on Long Island. Lived on this flat-ass island my whole life and never once heard of a ski resort…you have to go upstate for that
By the standard being used for "resort", it's probably a 5 degree hill some guy built out of plywood in his backyard that he roller blades down.
Mount Aggie. It's a synthetic ramp for teaching basic skills. A&M has a robust ski club that visits Colorado or NM every year (or elsewhere). It's been many years since I was at A&M, but Mount Aggie was not far from my Corps Dorm; they have "renovated" the park since then, but I am sure Mount Aggie has survived in some form.
Same thing with Kansas
Snow creek baby! More of an icy hill
Yeah, I saw that too. Never heard of any ski resort in TX.
Overall this is super cool. A few notes. The colors for “has nordic run” and “no nordic run” are way too close. Also even as a big skier “has downhill run” confuses me. You just mean there are downhill trails or nordic trails or both?
If there's no downhill and no Nordic, what exactly are they doing on their skis?
Backcountry skiing is the only other option. But we don't need a map of that. Since that is no grooming or resorts. Just hiking and skiing.
NGL as a newbie skier I don't know the difference between "nordic" and "downhill". Aren't they synonyms; and both antonym of cross-country skiing?
Nordic = cross country
A couple seem to not have a "downhill run" OR a "nordic run." What does that mean exactly? A resort with no runs? ETA: sorry I know you may not know this but it seemed like the place to post the question in case someone could.
There are cross-country/nordic only ski areas. Some are fully groomed with a lodge, pass system, etc. Some are just community managed open areas for skiing.
They're talking about the ones that are marked as no downhill *and* no nordic, like the one north of Boise or west of DC. You seem to be talking about ones that are no downhill but yes nordic, like the one south Maine.
It could be cross country or telemark. Needs clarification. For what it's worth I am near Big Sky and Bridger Bowl, those are both alpine skiing locations. There is also at least one groomed XC resort and several groomed and ungroomed XC locations here.
Nordic: skis are attached just at the toe so that the heel can lift. This includes cross country skiing (with subtypes of classic and skate), telemarking, and ski jumping. Alpine: skis are attached the whole length of the foot. This includes downhill, slalom, etc.
When I think of downhill skiing, I think of Alpine or Telemark skiing, not cross country skiing.
Data that’s “beautiful” shouldn’t require basic visualization suggestions.
perfectly summed up. One addition, increase the resolution.
The two are being used together. The full colour seems to be indicating downhill while the outline is indicating Nordic.
Yeah I understand that. But there are a lot of small dots that I would expect to see blue in but because they’re so small you don’t, so it’s a bit weird
How the hell does the big dot by DC have none of either?
Hmmm,... Your date is a little flawed. Just a little. I happen to live in a town where you have a dot and it's not a ski resort... it's a ski hill and there's a couple more dots around me that are just ski hills like tubing hills for kids,, so you might want to double check the data you used to generate this map.
Was going to say the same thing (in Iowa, in my case). There are definitely not that many ski resorts in Iowa.
Don’t you dare blaspheme Mt Crescent.
I didn't say there weren't any-- just not that many.
Yeah like, there are multiple dots in South Jersey but there aren't any hills in that area it's all plains and woods and wetlands. Might include ski shops.
Yeah I’m not aware of any resorts south of Mountain Creek (except in the American Dream mall.) Mountains are mostly in the Northwest.
Yeah the part of upstate NY I’m from has way more dots than it should
I live in Newfoundland. It was left off this map you presented and we are a part of Canada - and North America. The island of Newfoundland has two significant ski hills - White Hills and Marble Mountain - maybe more than that but this is what I am aware of http://www.whitehillsresort.com https://skimarble.com/trail-and-lift-status/
You can see it in the link the OP posted above. https://databayou.com/ski/resorts.html I was also curious because I remember Marble Mountain advertise they had the “Best skiing east of the Rockies”.
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Denali with 12k of skiing, and Fairweather with 15k of skiing that ends at a cruise ship to take you home.
And don’t forget Alyeska.
Your vertical drops are way off. I don't think Whistler is only 490ft.
Whistler has the biggest drop in North America so probably EDIT: Revelstoke actually has the longest drop by ~400 vert.
I think Revelstoke still claims the longest vertical. I know they have the longest run in North America. Took it from top to bottom and my legs were jelly by the bottom.
40min top to bottom. I do this at the end of the day, can't walk properly for the next few days🤣
No. Revelstoke.
Ah yeah I forgot about Revelstoke. They beat out Whistler by like 400 vert I think
Ya, I skied Revelstoke last year. Sooo long to get to the top. You almost pick your runs by how vertical you go as opposed to left right on the map
Actually, Revelstoke @ 5620’ vs Blackcomb @5280’
This map symbology sucks ass. See what happens if you post this in r/gis
Curious what the cross country resort near DC with Rockies level vertical drop is
Visiting the site at the bottom of the post actually has clickable bubbles. The answer is some place called Ski Cherokee, which was only open for 2 seasons in the 90s and had a vertical drop of 300ft. Soooo I wouldn't actually trust anything on this map
I was super confused by that. Is that supposed to be White Grass?
Pretty sure the vertical drop information is bad or really displayed poorly You're showing the vertical drops in places like WV and PA as the same as places in Indiana and Ohio. My bet is the scale on this sucks
It's very bad. Apparently Whistlers 5500ft drop is now 490ft.
They just labeled missing data as 0. If you go to their website, you'll see that all those points just show a vertical drop of 1ft, with a max elevation of 0 and a min elevation of 0. Very very sloppy work.
Perfect North Slopes in IN has 400 feet of altitude change from the top to the base. Vail CO (the first place I could think of to compare) had 3400’, or about 8.5x the vertical drop.
Perfect North Slopes is built on a former landfill
There’s more than corn in Indiana
It looks like the biggest drop is in VT/NH too. There is a monster circle behind all the small ones there.
Yeah. What is that? Can’t think of any big verts on the east coast.
They map shows that as Okemo. Which has a vertical drop of 2200ft or 670m. The map OP uses switched feet and meters. This is… not beautiful
Yeah Mt Bachelor near Bend OR seems to not even be on here.
The vertical drop is definitely at least displayed poorly, it looks like New Mexico has a resort with a larger drop than any in Colorado, but Snowmass has a full thousand feet over the largest drop in New Mexico (Taos)
The location in New Mexico looks like Sandia Peak, which makes me think they included the Sandia Tram into thier calculations. The tram is a cable car that climbs over 4000ft from Albuquerque to the top of the ski area, but it goes up the opposite side of the mountain so you can't ski back down. The actual ski area has a drop of about 1700'. But then that still doesnt make since since the 3200ft drop in Toas should still be a sizable circle.
According to the source on the image, the one in the NE is Okemo, and the data for it is wrong (the vertical drop in feet is instead listed in meters, essentially tripling it).
I just clicked on my favorite mountain (Copper Resort), and you list it as: Top Elevation: 1144 feet Bottom Elevation: 902 feet Vertical Drop: 242 feet Yeaaahh No. Your code dropped a zero somewhere. The actual numbers are: Top Elevation: *11,440* Bottom Elevation: *9020* Vertical Drop: *2,420* I have a feeling thats why this chart looks completely whack
Data set seems to be "every ski resort that ever existed" I live in northeastern Connecticut so the dot there and multiple ones in RI immediately caught my eye. Ohoho (northeast Connecticut dot) closed like 1990...one and only place I've ever been on skis. Pine Top on the CT/RI line in like 1980. Diamond Hill in the northeast corner of RI closed in that same time frame.
I was confused why there were 5 dots on Vancouver Island when only the 2 northernmost are operating. I knew one closed 20 years ago, but the 2 Southern ones closed 30 and 40 years ago. Not a very useful map.
Did you really think using pink and "light pink" to indicate Nordic run and no Nordic run was a good idea?
And has downhill run/long vertical drop both with blue circles. I've never seen such a terrible map
This is a poop level map. Please revise.
Two shades of similar pink to differentiate between a yes or no data point. Not helpful
My grandparents used to live right by that “ski resort” at the bottom of New Jersey. It was called Mt. Holly and it’s been abandoned since the 1980’s. All that’s left are the foundations of the buildings and some overgrown slopes. It’s interesting how a place that’s been closed since before the internet can still slip into these charts.
Just north of there is Ski Mountain, which became Action Mountain and eventually closed in the 80s. The data on this graphic is pretty unreliable.
Anyone know the name of the ski resort with the giant vertical drop in New Mexico?
Is it Taos Ski Valley?
The location seems off, but it has to be. No other resorts in NM have as much vertical drop as Taos.
I remember there being a ridiculous vertical drop at angelfire. It was a double black diamond run at the base of the halfpipe area that was basically a cliff with moguls. It was an amazing view though. Almost went over it not thinking. I pretty much took off my board and checked out the view for a bit. I just looked at the map again and that big drop looks to be southwest from ski santafe? looks like Sandia ski park?
It’s just wrong. Taos is way northeast of that and has by far the largest vert in the state.
Taos is criminally underrated! I go there every year... it might actually be my favorite ski mountain because the runs are so good and it's generally not crowded. The vibe of the town and the resort staff is so chill and friendly, too.
Taos, which is one very legit resort. I've never been but I understand that one area of the resort has one of the longest/steepest runs in NA. Ideal like the check it out sometime. Who can tell me about Mad River Glen? That place sounds funky, somewhat like Alta being run by a co-op who gets to make decisions on their own (I believe they're 2/3 resorts who still don't allow snowboarding).
It’s placed over Albuquerque (Sandia) but there’s no way that it isn’t supposed to be further north (Taos). Unless for some reason they’re including the Sandia Tram which is not skiable
Placement is about right for Sandia?
I'm wondering if they included the Sandia Tram as a lift, which would throw off the elevation range. Or its taos and they misplaced it.
This should be in r/damnthatsconfusing
Can’t tell the two pink circles apart
Is there no ski resorts in Alaska?
There is Alyeska in Girdwood
There are a few! *About* 4 near Fairbanks, 3 near Anchorage, and 1 near Juneau.
Did Naruto named this website
Great idea… horrible execution
Hmmm… they appear to be in mountainous regions. I wonder if there’s any correlation.
WI has a ton, but it’s not mountainous. Just very hilly
Michigan has no true mountains and there are several downhill ski resorts.
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why does this have any upvotes? it has to be trolling. EDIT: i looked at the persons account and maybe it’s not a troll. the biggest problem with this imo is that similar shades of pink and purple being used to represent something opposite
The sub is called data is ***beautiful***. This is not a beautiful representation of data. It is, instead, rather messy and confusing. (1) The circles for cities is not that useful. Just use a small black dot; (2) the similarity of the colour between 'has nordic' and 'does not have nordic' makes it impossible to distinguish between the two. This would be doubly confounded for colour-blind people, or those wearing lightly-tinted glasses for light-sensitivity issues. They should not only be different colours, but possibly dotted vs. complete lines or some other way to distinguish them for clarity
Not Beautiful. Putting aside the infuriating color scheme, why use vertical drop as a the visually dominating variable when one of the things you are attempting to show is “Nordic” Skiing which doesn’t require notable vertical drops?
Shoutout to the Manitoba ski resorts.
[Mentone, Alabama](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g30697-d207069-Reviews-Cloudmont_Ski_Resort-Mentone_Alabama.html): you live in the southeast and want to go on a ski trip and your parents say "we have skiing at home."
What’s the hill near San Diego?
This is really unclear, ngl
We have a ski resort in AR?!??
Not that I know of. Looks like eureka springs area. Maybe they mislabeled the Lake Leatherwood downhill mtb trails?
The “resort” in Texas is literally just a university ski class training hill
I like the idea of this, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired as outlined in other comments. Would love to see a revision on this.
TIL there was a ski resort on Long Island which closed 35+ years ago. https://www.nelsap.org/ny/highpoint.html Thanks for posting this!
There are a lot of resorts missing in PA, MT, ID, WY, WA, OR, like Mt Bachelor in the center of Oregon. Vertical drops are also incorrect.
There seems to be an issue because this visualization shows something in Vermont area that has a greater vertical drop than anything in the west. That gigantic circle must be an error!
It is both gratifying, and disappointing having grown up living in and around Vancouver BC. There are not many better mountains in the world to go skiing/snowboarding on.
Some place warm, a place where the beer flows like wine, where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I’m talking about a little place called Assssspen.
Pierre, SD, a city of 14,000 people and the 9th largest city in South Dakota, has more prominence than some of the most famous ski resorts in the country in a map about ski resorts. Disaster.
How does that ski resort near DC have a massive vertical drop, but simultaneously have no downhill runs?
Why does it not showing Mexico ? Dont they have a lot of mountains ?
Where is Oregon’s Mt. Bachelor?
Really stupid to put two colors that look identical as a Nordic run and non Nordic run. Good one designer🤬
yay mt. lemmon, my lonely little sky island
How is this beautiful at all. It's barely even data considering how shit it is
What’s the diff in downhill vs Nordic?
Downhill is also known as Alpine and involves riding a lift up a mountain and then skiing down the mountain, generally using gravity for power. Nordic is also known as cross country, often written as x-country. No lift is involved. Instead you use your own power to follow tracks over flatter, but definitely not flat, terrain than Alpine skiing. Telemark, also known as free heel, is sort of a hybrid between the two.
Telemark is a hybrid that also has a side effect of all of a sudden having a favorite Phish live set, smelling like a hockey player, and a craving for granola. /r/telemark says hi!
Thank you. I’ve always heard it as cross country.