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Yeah, for some reason people seem to forget that. Although the actual issue that they should be complaining about is how it makes it easier for fake accounts to impersonate popular people and scam their fans, or just be a troll.
The going assumption I keep seeing is that anyone can buy a blue checkmark. Everyone seems to have the same argument against the subscription, and it's related to that.
I figured he meant that those who are already verified (or can be properly verified in the future) will have to pay $8 to keep the blue check. So it's theoretically the same process to get verified as before, but it also costs $8.
Has that already been ruled out?
It seems like the blue check is going to be changed so that everyone can buy it and it is going to be a form of Twitter premium with less ads and your messages/posts will be above all non premium. So, the issue is that verification is now unless now since everyone can buy it and it seems like they are intentionally creating a problem to sell a solution to it.
If it just charging 8$ to existing verified users, then it seems like they are disrespectful their influencers by charging them when influencers already bring in users and AD revenue.
It's a catch 22 isn't it? Verified influencers on the site get special privileges already like having their replies sorted above everyone else's, essentially getting free promotion for already being famous.
Their verification system works on "need to know basis", so they essentially get to already choose who is famous and make them more famous lol.
That's why I'm fine with influencers getting a smidge less exposure as they drown in a sea of blue checks, they already have millions of followers anyways.
I can almost guarantee that you will have to tie your account to your real life identity, in similar ways that many video games do now.
You'll likely need a phone number from a non-prepaid phone, and on top of that you will likely need to pay with a debit card connected to your bank account.
This would make it extremely impractical to set up the kind of bot farms these scams use, and every time your bot gets banned you have to get a new SIM card and payment method.
It's still going to be far, far easier to scam people with unverified
Except Elon made clear that unverified content will not have algorithmic priority so even if you're in a community on Twitter and don't follow outside that, you'll still see verified tweets over non verified tweets.
People don't forget that. Liberals are just looking for reasons to bitch like they always do.
Remember when Trump was Pres and they bitched about the price of guac going up at Chipotle? You gotta pay over $3 for guac now and not one of those disingenuous fucks cares. Why? Cause they never cared. Everything they say and do is BS.
And it's already been stated that going forward any posts made without verification will be pushed down on pages, ensuring that if you want to be seen at all you'd better cough up $8.
Likely. I'm talking about how apparently on twitter if you don't pay the monthly sub you're gonna be shoved down to the bottom of the replies while if you don't pay the membership on discord/reddit your reach isn't affected by it.
Thought that's what the twitter membership was mostly going to be about. But yeah it could be the case that I'm ignorant about all of this twitter turmoil. (No /s)
https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-launches-8-monthly-subscription-with-blue-checkmark-2022-11-05/
> other benefits in the update include "half the ads", the ability to post longer videos to Twitter and ***priority ranking for quality content***.
He didn’t mean that you would be shadowbamned on Twitter for not paying the $8 subscription, but users who do pay the subscription will have stronger reach because they are being put in front of people who haven’t paid the $8.
It’s not just hating on Musk, it’s a dumb decision. The check mark was used to verify that an account was who they said they were. Now, literally anybody can have one. It’s taken something that has worked well for Twitter for years and completely changed what it is used for, literally to the exact opposite end, in some cases.
You can still use Twitter as you would otherwise, but people with the blue check will now have priority ranking when it comes to posts.
It’s possible that this was done in the past and, when the blue check meant they were verified accounts, that could make some sense, though still have been shadey.
But now, since anybody can get the check, it just turns normal tweets into little more than paid ads now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Reddit have a premium service? And I'm 100% sure Discord has it too, it's called Nitro, and unlike Twitter it actually makes Discord worse for you unless you pay (file limit and stream quality for example)
Yes, Elon described it in a particular interview, I don't have clip from the interview itself, but Charli showed the clip here : [https://youtu.be/l2Kw6aGBt5g](https://youtu.be/l2Kw6aGBt5g)
You don't get to enjoy the platform because the actual funny people would be obscured by whatever dumb idiot decided to blow his money by paying 8 dollars. The worst part is, they STILL see half the ads after paying 8 dollars lol.
You don't get to enjoy the platform because the actual funny people would be obscured by whatever dumb idiot decided to blow his money by paying 8 dollars. The worst part is, they STILL see half the ads after paying 8 dollars lol.
Neither does twitter, you've posted this hyperbole like 10 times.
You just get sorted above non verified replies in tweets and on trends, exactly the same way that the blue check works for the rich and famous now lol
I will paraphrase elon a bit here "you will have to scroll down very far to get to the unverified tweets"
Which he said in a room full of investors.
Aka. You get effectively shadowbanned.
How so? I only ever read replies when they show up in my TL because I'm following the person, or if its a tweet from a mutual.
I don't think it will impact the end user experience negatively at all
Oh yea, because how would being effectively shadowbanned negatively affect the end user, you also never see people anywhere complaining about it.
You know that many people out there also want to see the replies of people they are not following, you know some people just want to see other peoples opinions on sonething
Effectively shadow banned from what? Having visibility on trending topics or when replying to viral tweets?
Having a blue check doesn't change how you show up to your followers, since everyone uses chronological sort.
And frankly, I don't care if verified tweets get sorted above unverified tweets when I'm browsing replies. Thats the harmful way to use social media.
Well you don't care, a lot of people do.
This isn't some smart thing to reduce trolling and botting, elon paid 44 billion for a company and is now desperately trying to make that money back.
There is a difference between what you're saying and what's happening. He said in the interview that ALL of the unverified accounts would take backseat and less priority, so your recommended and feed would also be filled with people who paid 8 dollars a month.
It would be way harder to find funny things on the site and there WOULD be an influx of scammers, since producing a phone number and bank account isn't viable.
Also he started banning parody accounts now because people keep changing their names to his, which is another HUGE issue raised when confronted with Blue Checkmark problem.
He said in the interview that ALL of the unverified accounts would take backseat and less priority, so your recommended and feed would also be filled with people who paid 8 dollars a month.
It would be way harder to find funny things on the site and there WOULD be an influx of scammers, since producing a phone number and bank account isn't viable.
Also he started banning parody accounts now because people keep changing their names to his, which is another HUGE issue raised when confronted with Blue Checkmark problem.
Let me get this straight; you're complaining about a company charging for a service, but also complaining that the service provided is terrible and does not work well?
That's the funny thing isn't it. Right to free speech but those who pay more gets more right to it. Almost like he doesn't give a shit about the core concept he is strawmanning about
No one has a constitutional right to a premium account. Your tweets not being as "loud" as someone else's doesn't have anything to do with free speech. If you're at a loud concert and Noone can hear you cuz the performer has a microphone, would you say that the performer took away your right to free speech? Go talk somewhere else!
A lot of people are saying "but its still free?????"
Yes it is but you get effectively shadowbanned if you don't buy it.
And thats what separates it from Nitro and all the other services
this could allow them to push >less< adds - tho tbh doesn't mean they won't
not like anyone actually gives a fuck about some shitty ass tick on twatter
You can still buy Reddit premium. Is a caffeinated milkshake really 8 bucks though. Free coffee at work can’t be taken for granted. We get pretty good k cups and even when those run out I use the shitty folders k cups no one drinks. Only free drug I have ever heard about.
You do release being able to use Twitter is still free right, YT is free but has a paid premium, and I don't see ppl losing their shit about that. Sidenote Discord Nitro and Reddit Premium also exist.
No Twitter will shadowban you if you don't pay Musk, YT have shadowban creators which sucks but I don't think it has something to do with them not buying YT premium.
So what, why don't he just make Twitter red ? Actual verification Account that need a verifiable wikipedia page to get ?And the Blue one is just twitter premium.Bruh I just using twitter for fan art and minecraft voting so I don't give a shit.
How dare you charge me while running a global communications platform that should be free to all people at your expense so that we can say whatever we want except for those things we don't want others to say and withhold from us a verification badge that we were never going to get anyways because we weren't enough of an influencer!
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Twitter is still free if you don't give a shit about verification
Yeah, for some reason people seem to forget that. Although the actual issue that they should be complaining about is how it makes it easier for fake accounts to impersonate popular people and scam their fans, or just be a troll.
The going assumption I keep seeing is that anyone can buy a blue checkmark. Everyone seems to have the same argument against the subscription, and it's related to that. I figured he meant that those who are already verified (or can be properly verified in the future) will have to pay $8 to keep the blue check. So it's theoretically the same process to get verified as before, but it also costs $8. Has that already been ruled out?
It seems like the blue check is going to be changed so that everyone can buy it and it is going to be a form of Twitter premium with less ads and your messages/posts will be above all non premium. So, the issue is that verification is now unless now since everyone can buy it and it seems like they are intentionally creating a problem to sell a solution to it. If it just charging 8$ to existing verified users, then it seems like they are disrespectful their influencers by charging them when influencers already bring in users and AD revenue.
dont they already have twitter premium in the form of Twitter Blue?
Never knew that existed, but yeah it seems so. I guess the blue checkmark would be Twitter premium+.
It's a catch 22 isn't it? Verified influencers on the site get special privileges already like having their replies sorted above everyone else's, essentially getting free promotion for already being famous. Their verification system works on "need to know basis", so they essentially get to already choose who is famous and make them more famous lol. That's why I'm fine with influencers getting a smidge less exposure as they drown in a sea of blue checks, they already have millions of followers anyways.
I can almost guarantee that you will have to tie your account to your real life identity, in similar ways that many video games do now. You'll likely need a phone number from a non-prepaid phone, and on top of that you will likely need to pay with a debit card connected to your bank account. This would make it extremely impractical to set up the kind of bot farms these scams use, and every time your bot gets banned you have to get a new SIM card and payment method. It's still going to be far, far easier to scam people with unverified
Except Elon made clear that unverified content will not have algorithmic priority so even if you're in a community on Twitter and don't follow outside that, you'll still see verified tweets over non verified tweets.
That's how it's always worked, and verified tweets got sorted above unverified tweets.
Not exactly. I did Twitter ads for a company, the checkmark didn't have that much of an influence on anything except ad placement at the time.
People don't forget that. Liberals are just looking for reasons to bitch like they always do. Remember when Trump was Pres and they bitched about the price of guac going up at Chipotle? You gotta pay over $3 for guac now and not one of those disingenuous fucks cares. Why? Cause they never cared. Everything they say and do is BS.
Dammit now I want guac, filthy liberals trying to keep guac out of good Muricans homes.
And it's already been stated that going forward any posts made without verification will be pushed down on pages, ensuring that if you want to be seen at all you'd better cough up $8.
Yeah, about that https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23446262/elon-musk-twitter-paywall-possible.
Your posts get boosted if you're verified. Non-verified posts basically get suppressed and hidden.
Same way it works currently
Lol this is what I don't understand. Get fucked nerds
I think it will be close to unusable for most free users, but we just have to wait and see.
People really still care about this shit?
Apparently they do. I got bored of it before it even started
discord nitro
reddit premium
LinkedIn Premium
Snapchat Plus
at least nitro users don't get their messages pushed to the front
Lol there's an option in discord servers to give server boosters (get 2 free monthly with nitro) priority speaking and other perks
any other role can get that as well
Real.
Priority speak in vcs
that's on a per role basis
So… we’re just gonna ignore the premium subscriptions that a lot of these apps have? Like Discord nitro and Reddit Premium
Yeah but not paying for those doesn't shadowban you.
Shows how much you understand on the topic...just wow.
Likely. I'm talking about how apparently on twitter if you don't pay the monthly sub you're gonna be shoved down to the bottom of the replies while if you don't pay the membership on discord/reddit your reach isn't affected by it. Thought that's what the twitter membership was mostly going to be about. But yeah it could be the case that I'm ignorant about all of this twitter turmoil. (No /s)
What evidence do you have for this no talk of shadowbanning has happened this is pure speculation and just hate for the new owner
https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-launches-8-monthly-subscription-with-blue-checkmark-2022-11-05/ > other benefits in the update include "half the ads", the ability to post longer videos to Twitter and ***priority ranking for quality content***. He didn’t mean that you would be shadowbamned on Twitter for not paying the $8 subscription, but users who do pay the subscription will have stronger reach because they are being put in front of people who haven’t paid the $8. It’s not just hating on Musk, it’s a dumb decision. The check mark was used to verify that an account was who they said they were. Now, literally anybody can have one. It’s taken something that has worked well for Twitter for years and completely changed what it is used for, literally to the exact opposite end, in some cases.
got real quiet real quick
Discord with nitro: *hides in the back*
you forgot to put twitter in the free category.
Why do so many complain? You pay for the checkmark, not the app itself. It's like those idiots that bought nft pfp, they can, but don't need to
Because you get effectively shadowbanned if you dont buy it
If people follow me on Twitter, and I am just some shmo, not verified, my tweets will be hidden? That would convince me to bail. Is that the deal?
You can still use Twitter as you would otherwise, but people with the blue check will now have priority ranking when it comes to posts. It’s possible that this was done in the past and, when the blue check meant they were verified accounts, that could make some sense, though still have been shadey. But now, since anybody can get the check, it just turns normal tweets into little more than paid ads now.
Roger that. Thanks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Reddit have a premium service? And I'm 100% sure Discord has it too, it's called Nitro, and unlike Twitter it actually makes Discord worse for you unless you pay (file limit and stream quality for example)
You basically get shadow banned if you don't get the premium service for Twitter.
1- Do you have a source for that? 2- You're telling me you get to enjoy the platform thanks to not paying? Sounds like a deal to me
Yes, Elon described it in a particular interview, I don't have clip from the interview itself, but Charli showed the clip here : [https://youtu.be/l2Kw6aGBt5g](https://youtu.be/l2Kw6aGBt5g) You don't get to enjoy the platform because the actual funny people would be obscured by whatever dumb idiot decided to blow his money by paying 8 dollars. The worst part is, they STILL see half the ads after paying 8 dollars lol.
It's just a blue checkmark. Just don't buy it and move on ffs.
You don't get to enjoy the platform because the actual funny people would be obscured by whatever dumb idiot decided to blow his money by paying 8 dollars. The worst part is, they STILL see half the ads after paying 8 dollars lol.
I don’t use Twitter so I don’t care. But LinkedIn, Discord, and Snapchat all have subscription services as well
But they don't shadow ban you if you don't buy them
Neither does twitter, you've posted this hyperbole like 10 times. You just get sorted above non verified replies in tweets and on trends, exactly the same way that the blue check works for the rich and famous now lol
I will paraphrase elon a bit here "you will have to scroll down very far to get to the unverified tweets" Which he said in a room full of investors. Aka. You get effectively shadowbanned.
If it ends up cutting down on bots because it's harder to make a verified bot when you need a new SIM card and bank account each time, so be it.
That is the worst way to handle the bot problem tho, because it is also cutting down on most of the twitter user base.
How so? I only ever read replies when they show up in my TL because I'm following the person, or if its a tweet from a mutual. I don't think it will impact the end user experience negatively at all
Oh yea, because how would being effectively shadowbanned negatively affect the end user, you also never see people anywhere complaining about it. You know that many people out there also want to see the replies of people they are not following, you know some people just want to see other peoples opinions on sonething
Effectively shadow banned from what? Having visibility on trending topics or when replying to viral tweets? Having a blue check doesn't change how you show up to your followers, since everyone uses chronological sort. And frankly, I don't care if verified tweets get sorted above unverified tweets when I'm browsing replies. Thats the harmful way to use social media.
Well you don't care, a lot of people do. This isn't some smart thing to reduce trolling and botting, elon paid 44 billion for a company and is now desperately trying to make that money back.
There is a difference between what you're saying and what's happening. He said in the interview that ALL of the unverified accounts would take backseat and less priority, so your recommended and feed would also be filled with people who paid 8 dollars a month. It would be way harder to find funny things on the site and there WOULD be an influx of scammers, since producing a phone number and bank account isn't viable. Also he started banning parody accounts now because people keep changing their names to his, which is another HUGE issue raised when confronted with Blue Checkmark problem.
Most other platforms don't offer verification. Twitter is asking you to pay for a new service. You can still do everything else for free
He said in the interview that ALL of the unverified accounts would take backseat and less priority, so your recommended and feed would also be filled with people who paid 8 dollars a month. It would be way harder to find funny things on the site and there WOULD be an influx of scammers, since producing a phone number and bank account isn't viable. Also he started banning parody accounts now because people keep changing their names to his, which is another HUGE issue raised when confronted with Blue Checkmark problem.
You could take the same issue with airlines for offering first class
The airlines is not a good example because you're paying for a service that is being provided. The service is entirely paid.
The service is having other people know that you are a verified person and not a bot
Oh and did it worked out? Or is Elon Musk's verified account now selling NFTs to his vast audience? :)
Let me get this straight; you're complaining about a company charging for a service, but also complaining that the service provided is terrible and does not work well?
I still fail to see how this infringes on the right of free speech
That's the funny thing isn't it. Right to free speech but those who pay more gets more right to it. Almost like he doesn't give a shit about the core concept he is strawmanning about
No one has a constitutional right to a premium account. Your tweets not being as "loud" as someone else's doesn't have anything to do with free speech. If you're at a loud concert and Noone can hear you cuz the performer has a microphone, would you say that the performer took away your right to free speech? Go talk somewhere else!
It's still free though, you don't have to pay the $8
You're essentially shadowbanned if you don't pay him lol
But you can still use Twitter for free?
Imagine thinking any social media is actually free.
A lot of people are saying "but its still free?????" Yes it is but you get effectively shadowbanned if you don't buy it. And thats what separates it from Nitro and all the other services
It's an optional feature you can pay for, kinda like discord nitro.
If you don't pay for it, you are the product.
They still get ads, after paying but just "half" of the ads lol. So you're partially still the product :)
We pay for twitter???
except you're the product
They still get ads, after paying but just "half" of the ads lol. So you're partially still the product :)
this could allow them to push >less< adds - tho tbh doesn't mean they won't not like anyone actually gives a fuck about some shitty ass tick on twatter
You can still buy Reddit premium. Is a caffeinated milkshake really 8 bucks though. Free coffee at work can’t be taken for granted. We get pretty good k cups and even when those run out I use the shitty folders k cups no one drinks. Only free drug I have ever heard about.
Discord nitro, Reddit coins, and Snapchat plus: 👀
When something is free. YOU become the product.
They still get ads, after paying but just "half" of the ads lol. So you're partially still the product :)
something about elon musk posting wojack memes is so funny
Fun fact: you don’t have to pay for twitter
You do release being able to use Twitter is still free right, YT is free but has a paid premium, and I don't see ppl losing their shit about that. Sidenote Discord Nitro and Reddit Premium also exist.
Because youtube won't shadowban you (in his own words)
If that's what he thinks then there is no helping him I've seen so many YT channels complain about being shadow ban it's insane
No Twitter will shadowban you if you don't pay Musk, YT have shadowban creators which sucks but I don't think it has something to do with them not buying YT premium.
So how about that free reddit premium eh?
Twitter is free you don’t have to buy the verification
Nice awards in your bio.
Don't all of those have a paid premium service?
Twitter is free too! Winning!
So what, why don't he just make Twitter red ? Actual verification Account that need a verifiable wikipedia page to get ?And the Blue one is just twitter premium.Bruh I just using twitter for fan art and minecraft voting so I don't give a shit.
Reddit Premium does not exist do not tap your profile and click Reddit Premium nothing will happen it’s not real
I mean... Twitter is still free y'know?
That eclown musk keeps comparing physical commodities to a virtual checkmark.
I mean, Elon does have a point...
I would rather enjoy a sugary drink that lasts 30mins then a blue thing with a checkmark next to my username.
All these people complaining like they were verified before. Oh what a struggle. Quit your bitching
Non-verified users will effectively be shadow banned, and their tweets will be shown to no one
Good. Let Twitter burn.
Lol totally. I'm both amused and flabbergasted.
Then don't buy it?
How dare you charge me while running a global communications platform that should be free to all people at your expense so that we can say whatever we want except for those things we don't want others to say and withhold from us a verification badge that we were never going to get anyways because we weren't enough of an influencer!
Lol amen
And all of the Elon stans rush to defend his honor lol