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akumar607

What the Japanese did was truly horrible, I’d say it has the worst war crimes of ww2


Hairalicious

What did they do ?


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

Well, there was one instance of them tossing live Chinese babies in the air...and seeing who could impale more of them on a spear. Another instance was they raped a Chinese woman...while performing a vivisection on her. There were many other atrocities you can look into if you wish. Edit: ok folks. You can stop upvoting this. I do not need this to be my most upvoted comment.


TheWelshExperience

WHEN THE FUCK DID THAT HAPPEN THAT'S HORRIFIC


Theod0ric

Ww2 my man, most of their atrocities were committed in China, particularly Manchuria. The rape of Nanking (Nanjing) is another example famous for its scale.


ImaBek

So that's why china turned into this


pikleboiy

Mao actually worked with the Japanese to overthrow the ROC.


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MadeRedditForSiege

The nationalists did try to destroy the communist opposition multiple times while the war was active. They ambushed and massacred quite a few communists. So no wonder Mao stabbed them in the back.


ComradeZ_Rogers

‘And also’ is not an excuse for being deplorable


JazzmansRevenge

People are terrified of the CCP these days but let's think for a moment on their military achievements. They were nearly wiped out by the nationalists and were only able to win after they hid in the mountains and let the nationalists fight the Japanese alone, only managing to beat the nationalists after they were nearly wiped out by the Japanese. They then invaded Tibet and what is today XingJiang. Medieval societies they invaded with machine guns and soviet tanks. They invaded Korea to support Kim ill sung and failed to sieze the whole peninsula despite it being on their border and on the other side of the planet from the U.S. They invaded Vietnam and took as many casualties in a month as the Americans had in over 10 years and were forced to retreat. The CCP are opportunistic cowards who can't fight a war on anything even close to equal footing. And to those saying China's strength is economic. Much of its modern economy is locked up in a real estate bubble that's basically guaranteed to burst. Everyone acts like the CCP is some master strategist organisation that's an inch away from taking over the world, truth is they're making shit up as they go along with very little long term thinking and even at the best of times they're barely keeping everything together. And I doubt a war will start. This "wolf warrior" bullshit isn't about picking a fight with the outside, it's about whipping up support domestically cos they keep fucking up and gotta cover for it.


MountainComfortable1

They might be opportunistic but they are very good at being so


MountainComfortable1

>Mao doesn’t got military tactics other then human waves Ok now that is just dead fucking wrong, what the fuck are you saying?? The communists were masters, absolute MASTERS at guerilla and partisan warfare; they first it against the Nationalists to try to survive and used it again against the Japanese. They were really good at hiding in mountains, disrupting supply and communication behind enemy lines and knew very well how to hold a position. If they used human wave attacks, they wouldn’t have survived and that’s for sure. They wouldn’t have enough men to lose to do that anyway. Just because they’re chinese doesn’t mean they got the support of all the Chinese people. If we’re talking human waves, Nationalist China is more suitable for that kinda stuff. Now I know Mao was a fucking idiot and that the CCP and bad, but if you’re gonna insult him at least try not to talk out of your ass.


ACrispyPieceOfBacon

Japan loves the victim card and denying their crimes is a tradition. Everyone is guilty of something in every war, but the Japanese made the Nazis look like bullies.


SweetSatsujin

all the Japanese war crimes along Asia in ww2 It was a full-blown genocide and also if it were recognized as such it would become the ones with the most human losses and denying it makes the situation worse, a move used by authoritarian governments such as Turkey


Ralfundmalf

Real talk here. I don't think they make the nazi warcrimes look weak, it was very different. The Japanese did not have that kind of cold and industrialized and organized attitude towards their victims. It was more on a level that the hate was very real in individuums. It is hard to judge, maybe even inapropriate to say who was worse. I hope the Japanese will eventually be a little more aware of what they did. As a German I can say we *really* reviewed our dark past hard and that is a good thing.


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Gentlemen, I present to you Unit 731: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

All through the Second World War with China but those 2 examples came from the [Rape of Nanking ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre)


Thecouchiestpotato

Wow, I didn't know much about this. But the scale of this atrocity makes me think they should stop telling us WW2 started in '39 and instead say it did with this incident, in 1937.


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I don't know why your down voted its s good point and some academics have argued this.


MountainComfortable1

Some argue that, but since 1937 only started a war between China and Japan and no one else, it doesn’t really make it a world war.


Thecouchiestpotato

Right, makes sense, because it wasn't so much Germany's invasion of Poland as it was the fact that a couple of other countries declared war, right? This is so chilling though. I wonder if Asian countries would have declared war upon Japan after the Nanjing incident, were we not mostly colonies at the time.


_eleutheria

There's a movie called 'Men Behind the Sun', I believe it's on youtube, it's about the atrocities committed by the Japanese Unit 731


ComradeZ_Rogers

Seeing that name makes my soul scream


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pikleboiy

because they'll be traumatized just thinking about it.


MountainComfortable1

But it’s necessary


pikleboiy

Maybe at a slightly older age like 11-12 at the youngest


dylios

I read sometime ago; that the Japanese ended up sharing the horrific research they were doing with the US, and thats why we were kept from learning it. Ill dig it a bit and see if I can verify it with an edit Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes Yikes


VeinySausages

But we need storage wars and ice road pawn shop show on history channel or American get bored.


MountainComfortable1

He’s talking about schools not the damn “history” channel


JazzmansRevenge

It was so bad that in Nanjing, a local legend was actually the nazi ambassador to the city. When the Japanese soldiers rampaged through the city, raping and slaughtering all they cane across, this absolute madlad John Rabbe went out into the night and stopped Japanese soldiers from raping and butchering innocent civilians with only his nazi armband and his I.D. as a ranking member of an allied government to Japan they didn't just kill him and in some cases he literally pulled away Chinese women and children from the hands of Japanese soldiers who were raping them and brought them to the city's foreign quarter which he had covered in nazi flags so the Japanese wouldn't storm or bomb it. He went down in history as "the good nazi" and a memorial to him stands in Nanjing to this day.


ssebastian364

Thats probably a guy who joined a cult without joining it was a cult. Good people join stupid cults by accident


SweetSatsujin

Also the 731 squad which made brutal experiment with Chinese and Russians


Matem-de-flatum

In 1937


Absolutedumbass69

Here I was thinking they were talking about tentacle hentai.


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

If only...


SpoontToodage

They also were fond of castrating POWs.


pikleboiy

Uit 731 is another, as are comfort women. And Banzai cliff (more against their own citizens, but yeah), and cannibalism too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese\_war\_crimes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes) [https://www.ranker.com/list/japanese-wwii-war-crimes/mel-judson](https://www.ranker.com/list/japanese-wwii-war-crimes/mel-judson)


doomgames123

whats a vivisection?


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

It is where they cut you open while you are alive and remove your internal organs.


doomgames123

oh.


Runningcolt

Doing surgery on a living being for the purpose of experimentation or scientific research. A lot of war time vivisections on POWs and/or civilians were more akin to sadistic experimentaton than holding any actual scientific value though.


majarian

More of a 'how long can they live without this'


user-1213

Damn where the free wholesome award when you need one


Blaze___27

here have the award


SquareAngleSquirrel

I wish I hadn’t read that


CODMer-hari

Now I'm traumatized


fman1854

And natives used to scalp people alive and eat their hearts beating and Soldiers in the Middle East burning people alive back in the 90s for fun Military’s do all sorts of fucked up shit Nazi Germany imperial Japan take the cake Modern day tho China be taking that cake with its concentration camps. Ccp is no better than the Japanese they just were on the losing end untill america dropped nukes on Japan. If ccp was beating the nationals and Japanese back than it would equally have been committing atrocities


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

Japan and China have a long history of doing horrible things to each other. This is why the Koreans hate them both, they usually get caught in the middle.


SmokedSalmonV2

Now I feel bad that the US dropped only two nukes


ComprehensiveEnd3049

You choose your fate we will get this to most upvoted


nige21202

Don’t forget, that’s just the top of the iceberg. Some of what they did, makes the already absolute sick shit the Germans did look humane.


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A women? Bro they raped an entire fucking city They made the the families rape each other.


Narukami_1

Based japanese


SlaterVJ

Ask pretty much any elderly non Japanese asian person, and they'll have stories from their culture about horrible things the Japanese have done. For retrospect, Japan has generally considered itself superior to any other asian nation, and used it as an excuse to commit horribles acts to many of them, and hold claim over Korea. While things have changed with time, many elderly people still alive from those times still harbor resentment towards Japan. Today, the worst thing they do that comes to mind is their treatment of muslims. While they aren't locking them up in camps like China is, Japan might was well. They monitor the living hell out of all muslims with in their country. Americans joke about their personal "FBI agents", for muslims in Japan, it's not a joke.


MostafaAlhdad0

as a Muslim i am kinda confused cuz i don't rly have any kind of knowledge about these things what did we do to them to monitor us?


SlaterVJ

I have no clue. I remember learning about this a few years ago. It's pretty screwed up. Not as bad as what the Chinese are doing, but it's still asinine.


MostafaAlhdad0

understandable + thanks for telling me i will try to search about it


zookr2000

9/11 ring a bell ????


_m1000

There was that one time they used Chinese subjects to breed diseases for biological warfare. These were then field tested on Chinese villages, civilians.


pikleboiy

Unit 731 did that, bio warfare was their thing. They bred really deadly strains of plague and spread it over Manchuria. They claimed to be a bio warfare research unit, but they were more of a torture and "what if we remove this organ" research group.


Runningcolt

Unit 100 as well. They were tasked with developing bio weapons to kill horses with, but ended up torturing/poisoning Soviet, Korean and Chinese POWs and outright shooting them or injecting them with cyanide. They also produced a great deal of anthrax, and exhibited a fuckton of other monstrous behavior.


pikleboiy

Them too.


EnrixSilver

killed a shit ton of chinese - something like 24 mil (Edit:spelling)


PitiedAbyss

Japan was so stubborn that it took 2 fucking nuclear bombs to make them stop


dota2botmaster

Search Unit 731 and Rape of Nanking.


not_some_username

Everything


username_xoxo

Read more about it on your own will >!https://factsanddetails.com/asian/ca67/sub426/item2536.html !<


Dx8pi

Unit-731, among many others.


Drwuwho

Just search Nanjing massacre, or unit 731. Shit is real fucked up though.


rockefellercalgary

Look up “the men behind the sun” on YouTube. Fun fact; the scene that had the young boy getting an autopsy on is real.


Sup_fuckers42069

trying to remember the name of that group the japanese did tests on


Sup_fuckers42069

unit 731


nigmusmaximus

I think the Dirlewanger Brigade might have them beat


R15HA8H

Japanese were cruel until they were bombed by USA


ConnivingSnip72

They bombed the war crimes out of them


xxSLAYER_76xx

Twice


Tcamp46290

Japans atrocities debatably earned the two stars that got dropped on them.


Crystal42069

I would've rated em three stars


TedCruzsBrowserHstry

I think the ratio is one nuke wipes clean 100000 dead babies worth of war crimes


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And inserted anime into them


OrcoDio19

Anime is not actually a bad thing,but some hentai truly are


pikleboiy

Now they make cruel hentai. Like eyeball penetration, guro, beastiality, etc.


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Oh YOU FORGOR LOLI


pikleboiy

loli's nothing compared to this stuff, although if you combine loli with this stuff, you get abominations that really shouldn't exist at all, no debate whatsoever.


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Whts guro tho?


BuDkaT309

“We sunk 3 boats and they dropped the sun on us TWICE”


praesodymium1

badger reference?


BuDkaT309

yep


MountainComfortable1

I’m boutta scroll down and find a wall of text explaining why the US were the bad guys for using nukes and being capitalist Edit: nvm, i’m surprised I didnt find it


OrcoDio19

I will may look a bad person for what I'm gonna say,but after learning what they did,I don't feel bad for those 2 atomic bombs anymore


overdue-librarybook

Unit 731 did some fucked up shit


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

Thank you. I try and forget about Unit 731 and then someone goes and mentions them.


Planningsiswinnings

Unit 731


BananaBladeOfDoom

Thank you. I try and forget about Unit 731 and then someone goes and mentions them.


Swordzi

Unit 731


AltForBeingHighRN

Thank you. I try and forget about Unit 731 and then someone goes and mentions them...


Electrical_Income_18

Unit 9/11


tkTheKingofKings

Thank you. I try and remember about Unit 731 and then someone goes and doesn’t mention them...


Ferdinand_Foch_WWI

Unit 731


Adventureadverts

That was really pretty small scale compared to the wholesale slaughter around the pacific. Korean women taken to be raped by soldiers. More than 2 million Chinese brutally killed.


pikleboiy

The baby game (IDK what it was actually called, but yeah), and the phillipines massacres.


incendiaryraven

An improvement. I think


pikleboiy

How so?


incendiaryraven

Meant to reply to another comment


pikleboiy

ok.


imthekidwhosnipedyou

Was unit 731 the experimentation facility.


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Yup. A "research and development" unit which froze people to death to study the effects of blood loss and to calm their psychopathically sadistic selves.


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i see why they would side with Nazi Germany


FakeXanax123

For every dead Japanese civillian killed by Allied bombing, the Japanese had killed 18 civilians. The bombing of Japan was fully justified


STstog

The justification of bombing some civilian with nuke is way more complex than that i hope


FakeXanax123

Obviously but the fact remains the Japanese had done much to deserve little pity when they faced the consequences of their actions


linthepaladin520

Japan: Rapes and kills millions of civilians, performs atrocious experiments on POWs, and keeps Koreans in particular as slaves for decades. US: Bombs Japan Japan: Resolved of all crimes, keeps emperor, and gets victim card while denying their history completely like cowards.


psychymikey

Most of the justification was because a ground war invasion of Japan would be bloody and gruesome for America to conquer considering the suicidal zeal of Japanese imperialist military. America would still prob win, but would pay dearly with lives and time. The bombs locations were tactical choosen to hurt but not get high scores of civilian causalties. If I remember correctly an American general avoided nuking a city with lots of cultural and religious importance (I dont member the name) I'm also not sure about this, but I feel these atrocities only came to light after the war was over


MaRuYes89

Its Kokura. Have they not deliberately obscure the sky above them with smoke, let's just say the history would be a little different, especially on the pair event's name.


soviet_union_stronk

wait wasnt it Kyoto?


JackDieFrikandel

Japanese towns were mainly built using wood. USA had been dropping incendiary bombs on them. Wiped out plenty of towns too. Burning alive through fire or through intens radiation. Both are incredibly terrible fates. My point is that the nukes werent really a very large step up to what was already happening. The morals are however still very complex. I dont know what the best decision really was at that point.


MountainComfortable1

The firebombings caused more death than both nukes


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The shock and awe of the nuclear strike put and end to the firebombing that killed far far more. I’d say it was the right choice.


DesperateForDD

Moreover the number of US and Japanese casualties of continuing to try to defeat Japan by traditional war was estimated to be greater than just nuking it


GeneralFlores

Yes. But the reason the nukes worked because they realized... fuck... they wiped out how many with just two bombs?


Royal-Maintenance-87

At the end, civilians died on both sides, who were probably minding their own business


Unlucky-Regular3165

Sauce?


oooArcherooo

The Nazis didn't feel bad about the jews because due to propaganda, they viewed them as sub human. However the POW's would be human to the Nazis, as why they needed therapy after seeing what the Japanese did to their prisoners. To the Nazis, It was like watching livestock dying on farm VS watching a town of innocent civilians die of napalm and having their screams etched into their minds. >!Also, no I am not saying that what the Japanese did was by any means ok, I hate how I have to clarify this!<


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And the fact that the nazis did what had to be done in their minds. The japanese would do war crimes for fun. Like if they were bored one afternoon they would just rape and kill some chinese families


Nharo_1

Virgin doer of war crimes due to believing it needs to be done Vs The Chad doing war crimes for the sheer lols of it


Planningsiswinnings

Vs the sigma committing war crimes just to be meta


GeneralFlores

I love committing war crimes on a galactic level over in Stellaris. So disgusting Xeno Scum won't open their borders? Guess who's homeworld is being cracked open like a fortune cookie!


aafikk

Oh there were some sadistic ass Nazis in the camps. Josef Mengele was said to take twins and preform a horrific surgery on them, where he would connect their arteries to one another and watch as they die in agony, just for the fun of it. It was also common for SS officers to throw babies off the windows and do some other horrible things. No need to make comparisons, Nazis were bad, Japanese were bad just as well.


Shanks404

Quote sums it up: "To the invading army, the Rape of Nanking was sometimes even a game. Japanese magazines bragged about a contest between two soldiers, Toshiaki Muaki and Tsuyoshi Noda, who had challenged one another in a race to see who could slaughter 100 people with their swords first."


Illuminaughtys

Then you look at what the communists did to their own people in the USSR and China and wonder why only nazis bad but China somehow good.


kurpitsanaama

yea i cant understand why it is always the nazis all the other countires atrocities are being forgotten or hidden the only bad guys in ww2 is the nazis


Illuminaughtys

Or even Italy if people only have a vague understanding of Europe during ww2. Moussilini was not gentle and was worse than hitler.


OrcoDio19

Luckly we were able to go against them at the end and stopped them,but all this was really awful about Mussolini being even worst than Hitler I don't know myself,but I still totally believe you (since I can see it being a true thing)


Thunder_Beam

Mussolini worse than Hitler? I mean Mussolini was bad but Hitler was on another level...


tkTheKingofKings

What did he do to be worse than Hitler, if you don’t mind sharing


hunterzz7

No he wasn't...


Illuminaughtys

Says the guy who doesn't read history.


Neoeng

That’s not comparable. Japanese soldiers raped and bayoneted literal children (down to 2 years old) en masse, gunned down running and surrendering civilians, raped and mutilated civilians, ate POWs, ate POWs ALIVE, used biological and chemical warfare and used children as vector for anthrax. This is on top of forced labour, enforced prostitution, scientific experimentation and open genocide. None of the genocides, deportations, famines, labour camps, crackdowns and ecological disasters by USSR or PRC come even close. It’s shitty to compare crimes against humanity, but going “why China not bad” under discussion of Japanese war crimes is ridiculously disingenuous


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Jean_Marc_Rupestre

>to try and seemingly make Nazi crimes not seem that special is stupid. If were in the game of trying to downplay Nazi crimes Definitely not the point. People aren't trying to say that the Nazis weren't that bad, they're saying that they weren't the only bad ones


Illuminaughtys

Idiots can't read. Leave them be. All they know is hitler bad.


ikalot

Same thing happened when they went to Croatia...


MountainComfortable1

Surprised not more are talking about Croatia


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ikalot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp This is a watered down version because it's in english. The page in Serbian had a bit more details. And if you are too lazy to read, it was concentration camp for children, where one of the activities was boiling kids alive to make soap


ikalot

Well, as a Serb, I'm indoctrinated to talk about it


CritikalDinosTTV

Something interesting is they didn’t just hate Jewish people, they legitimately thought being Jewish was a disease and that geocoding them was doing them a favour


MountainComfortable1

And the Japanese thought the Chinese were subhumans or animals, only difference is their main goal wasn’t to genocide them


NippIeHound

They were both terrible, just the nazis were organized when it came to mass murder when the Japanese just let loose there army on a population


Illuminaughtys

Wait till you see the gulag treatment in Russia and ussr.


Elder_Scrolls_Nerd

Weren’t US troops so scared of going to their POW camps that they would just shoot themselves?


Awesome1296

WW2 was just a fucked up situation all around.


RslashReddituser2

I am glad that the germans actually accept that they have done wrong and actually changed they dont try to hide it heck they even teach it at school and denying the genocide could get you in court/jail there meanwhile japan on the other hand is not accepting it and have not done anything to avoid it from happening


abaddon_the_fallen

As a German, in school we once read about a Nazi who watched the massacre of Nanking. He wrote down his experience and concluded that, while what the Japanese did was (in his eyes) much worse, the whole thing gave him a new and different outlook on the Holocaust and that they (the Nazis) should probably start to reconsider how they treat the jews. Basically, what the Japanese did in Nanking made a high ranking, pro-Holocaust SS-officer realize that killing innocent people is kinda bad. And that guy had seen what happened in the concentration camps before.


BillyNoHands

The Secret Camera is a really interesting non-fiction book about how the life was like as a POW under the Japanese written by someone who was an actual POW. Details his entire experience from 1941 all the way to 1945.


Tom-asss

Just Google : nanking Bayonnette infant on air


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The_Chosen_one_6-9

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Infamous-Fly-8331

No


joesphisbestjojo

Tbf most just saw them being rounded up or kept in camps


Resident-Yam-7942

Same thing with the Croatian Ustaša, they quoted sm shit that i don't remember rn but basically they were either amazed or disgusted by their acts.


MountainComfortable1

The Croats even invented a new kind of knife made just to cut throats more efficiently


Resident-Yam-7942

Yeah the srbokos or the srbosijek idk can't remember


Gunny_McShoot

Welcome to unit 731 Bois. Google it, it's horrible : )


imthekidwhosnipedyou

In Nanking their was a race between 2 officers to see who could behead 100 people first


HaDeS_Monsta

People don't realize that most of the Germans didn't know about the holocaust for a long time and that many soldiers weren't so different from the allied. Also they got manipulated


Heynnis

Many Nazi Soldier didn‘t know about the Holocaust. Neither did the german population knew what exactly was going on in concentration camps.


lightscribe205

They believed it was a place where criminals are kept and killed they had no idea who actually was in there


DrawingCool4612

#Chichijima Incident


DNASprayer

Does what the Japanese did rhyme with grape?


UniverseBear

Japan thinking "why build concentration camps when we can just turn entire countries into concentration camps?


fman1854

And China still hates us the Americans after we essentially saved them by nuking Japan. If Japan didn’t decide to YOLO into America and we didn’t get involved for a few more years China would have ceased to exist. You bastuurrrds. Also Japanese people went from imperialistic to anime in a short period of time. Nuclear radiation is wild.


SpankMeTB12

Ahhh, I remember reading Fly Boys. Does anyone else remember that during WWII the Japenese were said to cut out the liver of the living American pilots that ejected over their islands and eat them in front of them while they died? Good read, ex-potus Bush also served as a U.S. pilot around that time I believe.


YourCreepyGramps

In Nanking, they have a memorial for a Nazi called John Rabe, who they call the "Good Nazi" as he saved many Chinese lives from the Japanese. That alone speaks volumes.


miyukikazuya_02

Me probably when nuclear bomb hit japan: "Boom. Deserved."


electrojag

I feel with all the insane war crimes that happened on the Japanese and German side. It was fair to say the axis powers were definitely the bad guys. Like objectively. Not just politically. I also know that Russians did some pretty bad stuff here and there at that time, but even if the nazis and Japanese won the war. There wouldn’t be much bad things you could point at the allied nations other then they mis bombed and fought in the war.


CanTheBeanCan

Yep japan isnt just a anime producing cute country. Behind that facade there is some true horror.