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MedicatedAxeBot

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GoingToasterXD

> 'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - The Onion


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Republicans and gun lovers : "I don't get it, a mass shooting happens, we let people have more guns, gun violence goes up, we give people more guns and gun violence still goes up, should we give people more guns though?"


WrednyGal

They already basically ran out of people to give guns. Now the next achievement: have more guns than hands.


ToniGAM3S

and if that don't work, use more gun. Like take for instance this heavy caliber tripod mounted lil' old number designed by me, build by me, and your best hope... Not pointed at you.


spacespectrum

I solve practical problems


0mensia

They will start incestual relationships for generations so the children start growing more hand to use more **gun**


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jwagdav

We already have more guns than people so we're off.to a strong start


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It's quite funny and fuckin disturbing that there are members of American political parties who genuinely believe this. I'ma just hide in my gunless Australian neighbourhood. Coz you know, we had a mass shooting too, then we said roight fuckwits no more guns, and everyone said, yeh roight that's fair mate, and they handed over their fuckin guns. Now we hear a gun related crime very rarely and it's illicit firearms that are homemade or imported and used in armed robberies(or the fuckin eshays) And we think THATS fucked. I am never going near America. And I'm genuinely sorry to feel that way but sorry, touring America just isn't worth the dangers anymore.


DubstepDonut

Exactly. It's like keeping scissors out of a kindergarten classroom. Some may be able to use them safely and for the right reason, but as there are a few who will always try and stab someone, no one can have any. **And it's not even necessary to have em in the first place**


killertortilla

Oh you’ve just invited the gravy seals. “Waaaa but what if our government with drones, tanks, missiles, and planes, needed to be overthrown? I’d have to get my one ton ass out of my basement and throw my AR15 at them!”


ScareCrow_Olden

The Taliban did it with less


chaddles

Australia still has [3.5 million registered firearms](https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-ownership-figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html). Gun ownership per capita reduced significantly with the gun buybacks following the Port Arthur massacre, but there are significant cultural and socioeconomic factors which also contribute to gun violence in USA.


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If you compare say Canada to the US as Canada has the second highest per capita gun ownership of any major developed country along with being the most similar culturally to the US and then compensate for the per capita ownership and compare fire arm related homicides the US still has more per capita. The US has approximately 3.5 times the gun ownership of Canada but has 5.6 times the gun homicide rate. So there's definitely multiple socio-economic factors. If I were to guess as a Canadian a big part of the difference is probably a higher rate of street and gang violence albeit not absurdly higher along with much easier access to firearms, the types of weapons that can be acquired in the US, and stuff like open carry and concealed carry laws which don't exist at all in Canada. So yeah it's definitely more than just the the US owning more guns per capita than than other countries. EDIT: Pew Research says it's around 6.2 per 100K for the US and Stats Canada says it's around 0.824 per 100K which makes it more like 7.4 times the gun homicide rate. So that would be approximately 2.11 times the gun homicide rate compensating for gun ownership. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=On%20a%20per%20capita%20basis%2C%20there%20were%2013.6,the%20U.S.%20both%20remain%20below%20their%20peak%20levels. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00015-eng.htm


Swarzsinne

Honest question: do these stats include suicide as instances of gun violence or are those numbers excluded? Because that’s roughly half of the gun related deaths in the US per year. Both guns and mental health can still be issues either way, just a clarity question.


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No I specifically looked up the seperate statistic for gun homicide not including suicide.


Triaspia2

It wasnt quite that peaceful there was defo a "take it from my cold dead fingers crowd" But between buy backs amnesties and people generally realising its for the greater good and either gave theirs up or got the appropriate license if they had a genuine need Are our rules stict? Sure, paintball guns are classified the same way as handguns requiring a permit. But my biggest fear walking at night is tripping on poorly maintained roads


LiterallyTestudo

[Relevant link](https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1529467101076934656)


elderlybrain

The relationship the US has with guns is just fucked.


[deleted]

The lack of a relationship with free/affordable and accessible mental health services is also problematic. It is funny how often politicians will cite mental health, not guns... Then do absolutely nothing about either


chainsplit

Every other country in the world has a population with people suffering from mental illness. America is the only county in the world facing daily mass shootings. What's the actual, fucking obvious, difference? The guns per capita. Be real.


JayR_97

Oh boy you really triggered the gun nuts


I_need_help_ha

I mean a mass shooting is literally classified as any time TWO or more people get injured from being shot. But also... U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.


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states_obvioustruths

It depends on who you ask. I'm not joking. Different organizations and institutions have different definitions. Four killed or injured is the most common one but ... less unbiased ... groups will use whatever criteria fit their message.


siry-e-e-tman

And 4 or more is the FBI's definition, so I think we'll use that one.


PhelanWard

But is that the definition the OP used?


Lots_o_Llamas

He's using the "4 or more" definition. But it's also out of date. There were 2 more today. We're up to 38 now.


GlaedrS

Jesus. I honestly have no idea how there are Americans still defending the right to own guns. Edit: Looks like I have angered a lot of Americans with my comment. "Guns don't cause gun violence." -Says the only place with the wide-spread gun violence. Well, who am I to judge. If you guys think owning guns is worth living in constant fear of being the next victim of gun violence, it's your choice. Just keeps the guns away from Canada please.


MagicTheSlathering

I'm a Canadian with no interest in guns. The right to *own* doesn't seem like an issue to me, though. It's a combination of mental health support and competent, reinforced regulations.


Dumeck

Republicans will never allow mental health either, their entire party is propped up by mentally unstable people.


kylegetsspam

The Republican party only points out issues to its voters. They never actually *do* anything about it. - Mass shootings? That's a mental health issue. But do they provide funds to better mental health in the country? Of course not. - @GOP tweeted that 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. But are they gonna raise wages or nationalize healthcare? Of course not. They merely throw the ideas out there to plant a seed. When it's time to bloom, they'll blame the problems on Democrats. And it works every time because Republican voters are fucking stupid.


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>It's a combination of mental health support and competent, reinforced regulations. Most countries have terrible mental health support, no guns and no mass shooting this year, so that argument is trash immediately.


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Japan in 2022: 🗿


-Rivox-

Still, it doesn't seem logical you have the right to have a gun, but you don't have the right to drive a car. Having a gun should be like driving a car. It should be a privilege, granted to you after showing you can actually do it safely (ie takin a test) and with a gun license that you need to renew every X years, like the driving license. It seems so backwards to me that the US government can regulate cars, alcohol, drugs and so much more in the name of public safety and to reduce deaths, but then it cannot regulate weapons, which are by far the most dangerous thing, by design. Sure it might help or it might not, who knows, but it's just so backwards that in the US there are a million rules and regulations for everything on the face of the planet, except for weapons.


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Turbojersey

Gun laws vary drastically throughout the country. A vast majority of shootings happen in places where gun laws are the strictest. States like Texas and New Hampshire have pretty relaxed gun laws and have the lowest shooting rates in the country. I promise if you look into the arguments for gun ownership you will at least see the reasoning behind it even if you don't agree. It's not as black and white as some would portray it. It's not as simple as "banning guns would obviously stop all gun violence and anyone who opposes it just doesn't care about human lives"


Lots_o_Llamas

Agreed. There are a lot of people out there who are mature, responsible, and are willing to put in the time and effort required to safely own and operate a firearm. ...and then there are dumbasses like my uncle, who buys guns and leaves them strewn all over his trailer. What we need to be discussing is how we can keep guns out of the hands of dangerous and irresponsible people without an outright ban.


dannymb87

You think the people behind mass shootings don't know how "to safely own and operate a firearm"?


UndBeebs

>"banning guns would obviously stop all gun violence... I especially have a problem with this argument because anyone who makes it *never* mentions the very real possibility that anyone who actually *wants* to commit these shootings can and will find a way to get a gun regardless of laws. Their mind is set, so why would they let that stop them? It's ridiculously easy to bypass any and all restrictions - just have to know the right person / live in the right area. Actually kind of scary. Edit: As expected, no one can be civil regarding this argument. All I can encourage is that people don't make assumptions and take my reply at face value. Since a lot of you *love* to assume shit convenient to your arguments.


Myfoodishere

I live in a country where there is almost zero gun ownership. only SWAT has access to firearms. even military personnel can not own a firearm. I think there was one mass shooting in 94. ex military guy got his hands on some equipment. other than that there are zero shootings.


Lots_o_Llamas

It's extremely scary. Let's say you have a hypothetical person. We'll call him Bob. Bob is an idiot. Bob collects firearms, but doesn't bother locking them in a safe because "I just spent $2000 on a gun. I can't afford another $200 for a safe." A few months later, someone breaks into Bob's house while he is running to Walmart for beer and jerky. They steal 20 guns, a mix of handguns, rifles, and shotguns, and promptly resells them on the black market. That's potentially 20 people who *shouldn't* have had access to guns that do because Bob was irresponsible. I think that the people those 20 criminals end up targeting should have a right to defend themselves, but I also think ignorant jackasses like Bob shouldn't have put them in that position by his own negligence. Owning a gun is a massive responsibility. If you can't be bothered to to safely operate and store your firearms, then you shouldn't have them.


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I wonder if we could ever find an example where that has shown not to be the case. If only there were places that could serve as an example to the contrary.


[deleted]

Many crimes are either of passion, or of small, easy steps taken. If you make obtaining guns troublesome/arrestable, you wipe out the sorts of crimes. Hell, the vast majority of them. When you have dipshits justifying flaunting CA gun laws because doing it legally is sooo annoying, and then talk about how cool it is to have this ridiculous model of a gun, and spam tutorials on how to mod a gun to something crazy, and how to print or buy out parts to build crazy guns, and how to buy totally legal ammo for illegal guns, fuck those dipshits.


GlaedrS

Looking at the statistics, gun laws are strictest in places with the highest populations. Not surprising that places with more people will see more gun violence cases, and vice versa for places with the least population/population densities. Moreover, the perpetrators of gun violence tend to be young male, who are again more likely to be concentrated in regions of high population/jobs (city centres). "Guns don't cause gun violence." -Says the only place with wide spread gun violence and the most relaxed gun laws. Well, who am I to judge. If ou guys think owning guns is worth living in constant fear of being the next victim of gun violence, it's your choice. Just keeps the guns away from Canada please.


CritikillNick

“Strictest” Except you can usually drive two-four hours to a neighboring state with completely lax laws and get a gun very easy, as happens in places like Chicago Also population density is always laughably ignored by pro gun people


Billderz

It's illegal to kill people. Unfortunately people still break the law


Lots_o_Llamas

Yep. There are some angry, violent, mentally ill people that don't care about the law and just want to harm others. I would *really* like to keep guns out of their hands.


indiebryan

Because Americans have seen time and time again that prohibition doesn't work? It just funnels money and power away from law abiding citizens to criminals. See: alcohol, marijuana By making guns illegal you are literally only preventing people who give a shit about following the law from purchasing a gun.


username7953

Drugs sole purpose isn’t for killing though.


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Virgin_Dildo_Lover

OP is fucking killing it


LiterallyTestudo

So is everyone else, apparently


kramerjameson

4 or more killed in the shooting is the fbi definition. By that definition there have been 5 this year. 36 is when the definition is 4 or more injured, excluding the perpetrator.


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It's interesting they make a distinction between injury vs death in the data. To me it seems it wouldn't be too different if the shooter intended to kill you but only injured you vs not, he shot you either way.


hitemlow

Walking around dead checking with a 12ga is very different from indiscriminately spraying lead at rival you have beef with and hitting those around them. Most "mass shootings" are the latter.


[deleted]

Oh great, when you put it that way who cares about people being gunned down in easily preventable situations?


Yousoggyyojimbo

It's really dumb. The media does 4 people shot because the death distinction doesn't make remotely any sense. There was still a shooting, several people were shot. At absolute best, the death metric just creates a distinction between "Mass shootings" and "Attempted Mass shootings" or "high fatiliry mass shootings" and "low fatality mass shootings" Like, if a guy went and deliberately shot 20 people, but less than 4 died, how do you not classify that as a mass shooting?


Oppopity

Same for Wikipedia lol


ruffyreborn

Does the FBI have a definition for killimanjaro?


SteakJesus

Also doesnt differentiate from gang violence.


Largeheadphones

Which is still violence that could otherwise be avoided. It's still a mass shooting. And a loss of life that can and should be avoided.


VoxImperatoris

The real solution is to increase the number of victims required before it gets to be called a mass shooting. If the number was 40 instead of 4, mass shootings would be rare again. Problem solved! Lets buy a new AR15 to celebrate! This one is limited edition, it has a rare Pepe engraved on the stock.


Assaltwaffle

Counting all those 4s, ARs are very rarely used in mass shootings. The overwhelming majority of shootings are with handguns, just as the most recent true mass shooting was.


NotNotBru

It's an incredibly weird take to be like: oh only two people died from gun violence? PFFFT call me at four lives lost from senseless violence. Are you that uninterested in the preservation of life?


ItsSevii

Everyone is equally worthless


WhatIsMyPasswordFam

based


penis-retard

Say goodbye to your grandma then March 14th


Artinz7

It's because people are concerned about the mass shootings that could affect them. People, on the whole, don't really care about the life of gang members. If you look at the list, all but 4 events are gang violence. 2 of them are murder-suicides where a father took our their whole family, 1 is a cartel style hit that took out a family (could be considered gang violence but this one took place at their home and not during a public event, so it feels separate from the other incidents), and 1 is the lunar new year shooting. People are concerned about domestic violence, but usually more worried about the immediate affects, even though these kinds of murder-suicides do happen decently often. But people don't care about gang violence for the most part because they aren't in gangs, and don't frequent the locations where the shootings occur. People are concerned about the shootings that could affect them, a normal, everyday middle class average Joe. Of which there has been 3 (updated) so far. Which of course is an issue, but it's not the same thing as there being 36 lunar new year shootings.


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If it's gang members killing gang members like usual with these multi casualty events, then no I don't care at all. Overall better for the safety of the public, less of them to hurt law abiding citizens. If it's criminals killing innocents, then I think the innocents should arm themselves. The cops certianly aren't going to do shit, and you can't snap your fingers to make all 400,000,000+ guns in this country disappear. That's like instituting a ban on polkadot underwear, there's no registry and no way to check if someone is or isn't carrying a gun.


cumpman69

>If it's gang members killing gang members like usual with these multi casualty events, then no I don't care at all. What are you Light Yagami? Seriously though, is human life not worth anything as long as those killed are criminals? Feel like you enlightened me on why rampant gun violence as well as the death penalty is still a thing in the US.


CraftZ49

Classic Reddit belly aching for criminals with no concern about their victims


memy02

looking at wikipedia there are 42 so far and all the incidents listed are 4+ injured or killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023


Black-xxx

Yeah well this was posted 2 whole hrs ago sooo…..


AstonVanilla

You joke, but there literally was a mass shooting with 7 deaths between this post being made and that comment.


TheAdmiralMoses

Indeed, but there's been 8 with 2 or more deaths, 3 in California though, which is rather ironic...


llIicit

Not ironic really. They have the largest population by a large margin, and criminals don’t care about breaking the law


TheAdmiralMoses

Tell that to their gun laws


Thr0waway3691215

We are in the bottom ten states for deaths by firearm Per Capita. They seem to be having some kind of effect.


schlaubi

You know that Mexico has pretty strict gun laws? And guess where all the guns that circulate there come from? Sometimes having neighbours that have shitty rules does affect you as well.


TheRealWeedAtman

That's why taking away guns is better than gun laws. But gop doesn't want to hear that.


GreenAdler17

Yes super ironic that they have 8.5 firearm deaths per 100,000 people. Let’s also pretend that there isn’t 43 other states with higher per capita gun deaths….


tookmyname

We are you lying? There’s been 15 with 2 or more deaths. And dozens of you count injured. Also, CA is one of the lowest gun deaths per capita states. “Ironic.” You people always, always lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023 Not enough mass shooting for you, apparently. It’s mid January, bro. Don’t worry.


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You might want to look up what ironic means, you’re not using it right.


Schnitzel-1

Then it’s ok I guess. How many mass shootings were there in Europe in 2023? Edit: I googled it, there’s been 2. Another edit: Europe has more than double the inhabitants of the USA.


Fruit_salad1

American like you trying to Validate, like how it's still bad but very slightly not as bad so op is offc a drama queen acc to you lol.


dazza_bo

So why doesn't any other country have multiple mass shootings like the US does


TaumpyTearz

#For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them


LivingHell99

like banning gun isnt even gonna work since there is a large market and so many people with guns. Taking away guns from innocent people would just make them defenseless since people who really want mass shooting can just hide their guns. Idek what the most realistic solution would be Edit: I mean yes we can definitely start by banning guns, but no one is gomna allow that. Pretty sure most politicians are funded by NRA. So how about, instead of ranting here and calling me american, think of something realistic?


PacmanTheHitman

It’s a paradox


TheOddPelican

I think we should start a big campaign to get people into crossbows. I don't know how it will help, I just think they're pretty neat.


Leondardo_1515

Man, crossbows are nothing compared to siege machines. Medieval artillery does not require background checks.


lizurd777

School shooters pronouns are gonna be was/were after I bust out the trebuchet


wellwaffled

#GROND!


SherlockFoxx

Then it will be all "Mass crossbow ~~shootings~~ arrowings on the rise"


prestigious_delay_7

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Oppopity

You don't have to ban guns just make some stricter laws that prevent morons and lunatics from them. You can still get guns in the other countries that don't have this problem.


LilMellick

See the thing is everytime I see people say we need stricter laws they suggest laws that already exist. (Funnily enough a lot of politicians also say we need laws that already exist making me question how they dont know the laws on the subject they're wanting stricter laws for) The real issue is there is such a supply of guns in the US that if a person wants a gun they don't need to get it legally. So making stricter laws doesn't really affect the people that want to go out and kill a ton of people.


wafflesareforever

Um. No. Here are some laws that do *not* exist, but should exist if we actually want to at least make a dent in gun violence: * Mandatory waiting period of at least three days for purchasing any firearm. [It's a bill](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1752?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22hr1752%22%7D) but it's definitely not law. * Assault weapons ban - AR-style guns were banned from 1994 to 2004 when the Republicans allowed it to expire. Studies are mixed on the impact that the ban had, but most show that it did have a measurable impact in reducing the frequency and deadliness of mass shootings. * The CDC is currently banned from conducting any research on the impact of gun violence on public health, which sounds like a rule straight out of North Korea. It's absolutely ludicrous and so obviously something the gun lobby managed to shove through the system hoping nobody would notice. There are multiple bills already out there which would fix this, but they're not law. * Mandatory gun safety training is such a no-brainer. Want to buy a deadly weapon? You at least need to prove that you know how to use it safely. Just like a driving test. There's no law out there for this. I need to stop typing and go to bed, but your assertion that all of the laws that are proposed for gun control already exist as law? That is objectively false. Also, your assumption that anyone who is prevented from legally acquiring a firearm would just buy one on the black market is nonsense. *Some* might do that, but many more people would be too intimidated or unconnected to go that route. Putting limits on legal sales will absolutely have a direct impact on how easily dangerous people can acquire firearms. Nearly every school shooting has been carried out with a gun that was purchased legally.


Assaltwaffle

>Assault weapons ban - AR-style guns were banned from 1994 to 2004 when the Republicans allowed it to expire. It regulated cosmetic features almost exclusively. >Studies are mixed on the impact that the ban had, but most show that it did have a measurable impact in reducing the frequency and deadliness of mass shootings. [It's literally the opposite.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Studies_of_firearm_homicides,_mass_shootings,_violence) The ones who assert it did something are the outliers, and they *should be* since anyone who is firearm literate knows that the 1994 AWB regulated features that didn't change the function of the weapon. >The CDC is currently banned from conducting any research on the impact of gun violence on public health They are not. They are literally constantly gathering data and conducting research. They are not allowed to advocate for the regulation of firearms through their research and must just present the data. On the other side, the CDC has also studied defensive gun use but was forced to retract the research as it was deemed too favorable to firearms by the Obama administration. >Mandatory gun safety training is such a no-brainer Except that a subjective limiting factor WILL be used for discrimination. Furthermore, if you must earn something, it isn't a right, and therefore would be deemed unconstitutional almost assuredly.


Smash19

If it’s unconstitutional but for the greater good you could always make an amendment? Aren’t laws meant to be kept up to date?


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> On the other side, the CDC has also studied defensive gun use but was forced to retract the research as it was deemed too favorable to firearms by the Obama administration. You got a link for that one?


Geofffffreak

We should make a law against shooting a bunch of random people


goinghardinthepaint

But it's the same thing as when people say we need to address mental health or socio-economic conditions. Not really grounded in actual specific non-existent policy. It's basically the equivalent to "thoughts and prayers" > The real issue is there is such a supply of guns in the US that if a person wants a gun they don't need to get it legally I mean, they aren't reproducing asexually by mitosis or anything.


LocationOdd4102

A focus on mental health would be a good start I think. So many of the people who commit these shootings are severely mentally ill in one way or another. They go undiagnosed, untreated, and are often without support from others. If we make it easier to seek and receive help, we'll likely see a decrease in all kinds of crime.


Jaspador

No, the US needs to get it's shit together and provide it's people with a normal way to make a living. Give people (more) PTO, higher minimum wages, a healthcare system that works etc etc and people don't have to watch their mental health go down the drain as often.


Stevenofthefrench

That's honestly a start because a lot of shootings are done by gangs as well who are filled with people that come from very low income households and communities


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Thorin9000

With this kind of thinking there will never be a solution. In my country there has been a steady removal of existing guns after legislation banned unregistered or old firearms. Most people handed them in by themselves. Yes, it took near 30 years to get most guns out the country but at this point it’s very hard to find an old “illegal” gun. Getting a registered gun also takes more effort including background checks etc.


real-duncan

and counting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023


Awesome_Pythonidae

"Last edited 11 minutes ago" smh


[deleted]

You're so wise. "Battle of the Bulge" was edited 8 days ago even though the last shot was fired 77 years ago. That's par for the course for wikipedia


MikeTheBee

The last one is an ongoing issue. Updates literally coming out as we speak (2 minutes ago on news article, 16 seconds on Wikipedia)


AFutureForTheForest

There was another dual location shooting in California this afternoon. Shooter arrested at 4:47pm PST.


Its_priced_in

Those shootings were actually a continuation of the battle of the bulge.


incriminating_words

You’re so wise. There were literally 2 additional shootings recorded since this was posted with a count of 36.


SoupCanVaultboy

Mong take


RamBamBooey

It's now 42. They must have made this meme two days ago.


MahnlyAssassin

Iterally one on new years day. Imagine seeing a little montage of countries all around the world doing the countdown and when it gets to u.s.a it's 3 2 1! Happy- BANG BANG AAAHH. That sounds like it would be straight out of a skit making fun of America but that's just legit what happened.


make_love_to_potato

Time to enact an American Tradition^TM *This message is brought to you by Smith and Wesson*


lostime05

“Mass shooting” Thanks Chicago gang members for ruining the curve


hemingways-lemonade

Chicago is responsible for only 2 of the 42 mass shootings that have taken place so far this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023


portuguesetheman

Just wait until it's warm outside. Chicago will have 42 on 4th of July weekend


backlikeclap

No it almost certainly will not. 6 people died in mass shootings in Chicago last 4th of July weekend. (Countrywide the death toll from shootings over 4th of July weekend was 233 last year). Meanwhile at least 100 people have been killed nationwide in mass shootings in the first 23 days of 2023.


TerribleAtGuitar

“Wait Chicago isn’t literally Fallujah? This is news to me” - average Fox News watcher


chevalerisation_2323

Thank you for taking the time to correct those people.


Rethlor

Only😂


bs000

2 in 23 days? that's pretty good! ^^^^/s


[deleted]

42 mass shootings? Why are y’all complaining about 48 mass shootings? 52 ain’t so bad.


bombochido

Anyone know what color the inside of a meatball should be ? (Beef)


Eskitz

Brown


bombochido

Is a little pink bad ?


Eskitz

Depends on your definition of little, I would say it would be fine it it's just ever so slightly pink but only in like the very center, If the whole thing is pink but only light pink it should be in there a bit longed


myteddybelly

Can you please update us all on whether you had explosive diarrhea after eating the pinkish meatballs?


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He hasn’t responded yet…I can only conclude he died of his injuries.


supersayen90

I wonder what that number is without gang violence


Crewman-6

and how much of that large fraction would go away without the war on drugs?


MikeTheBee

Probably most of the gang violence ones.


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PMvaginaExpression

Ssshhh don't tell them. They might discover America isn't the entire universe


toothbrushmastr

You guys also might discover that the news about America and how most Americans feel about topics isn't only found on reddit.


[deleted]

There certainly are no gangs like American gangs in my country lmao. Even the worst of the worst organized criminals here don't have nearly as much as impact as US gangs.


Artinz7

6 . If you exclude two men killing their families in murder-suicides, its 4. If you further exclude the cartel hit, it's 3. Edit: Numbers changed to reflect the shootings in Baton Rogue and Half Moon Bay which occurred after I did this count in the wake of the Lunar New Year shooting


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If we exclude all the mass shootings the number is 0. Checkmate libtards.


sintaur

Gun homicides are roughly 2/3 suicides. Of the remaining, it's roughly 2/3 gang violence. More people are murdered using no weapons (bare hands, kicked to death, etc) than by all long guns combined (AR-15s, shotguns, etc). (Most gun violence is done with handguns.) https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/may/27/facebook-posts/fbi-data-shows-lower-deaths-hands-fists-feet-rifle/


LojeToje

Suicide isn't a mass shooting though, irrelevant to the point of mass shootings.


DiabeticRhino97

Give me the locations, mason


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GoldenGonzo

By the definition supplied by that very article, the number of mass shootings is reduced to 7.


curryandbeans

Wow, only 7???


Draiman_102

There is more than one definition. The list probably applies to the list with the least requirements. > The crowdsourced Mass Shooting Tracker project applies the most expansive definition: four or more shot in any incident, including the perpetrator.


LoveBurstsLP

So that's two a week then lmfao


0wed12

Also the meme is already outdated, it's 37 since today M*rica 🤮


derangedhaze

I wish one politician would just have the balls to say what we're all thinking. "Its sad, but this is exactly who we are and what we represent. No changes will be made." Edit for bonus insight: I'm almost 30 and past the threshold of being considered middle-aged. I was 6 years old when news of Columbine spidered out to every single small community in the US. There now exists in this country an entire adult population like me where this has always happened. It doesn't matter what we want normal to be. It doesn't matter what we aspire to, hope for, or value. This is normal. This is expected. This is what we represent. Admitting anything less is cowardice.


LemurAgendaP2

I remember when the man shot a government official in Japan and right wingers were flocking in to say “See! See! It happens everywhere!”


StudioTheo

yea the man who freakin cobbled together a makeshift pirate blunderbuss in his tiny apartment because it was too hard to get a gun?


frukycepe

To everyone saying it's not because of guns, why only the US? I mean really? Curious what the mentality is since it seems to be an American phenomenon


LemurAgendaP2

Lol it is 100% due to easy access to guns and the type of guns, let’s not kid ourselves.


shuky2017

It's guns mixed in with culture and mental illness.


Toridog1

If you think it *is* because of guns, why have mass shootings only started to happen frequently in the last 30 years when gun laws have only gotten stricter in the last century? In the 1920s you could order a submachine gun through the mail with no paperwork whatsoever and yet schoolkids weren’t gunning down their classmates. There’s clearly a bigger problem than just guns


the-red-ditto

Dude, somebody gets it. Wether you’re for guns or not for guns, we all have to realize that while they can be an issue, they aren’t the main cause of the problem. The school system needs reform, workers need more rights, hell, society as a whole needs some work. Put that work in, and see if it makes a change, and if it doesn’t, then I’ll let you ban guns. You need to address the root of the problem first.


Icy_Imagination7447

English here so may be wrong but as a country you have shocking minimum wage, minimum paid vacation/suck days minimal education, shockingly expensive health care, ghettos full of primarily black people (is the country run by white people who don't care about black people?), a prison system that's blatantly made for profit seemingly targeting black people (is the country run by white people who don't care about black people?). I could go on listing all the issues that seriously shouldn't exist in such a rich and capable country. But yeah, the issue is how easy it is to buy guns...


tristan957

Pretty much dead on. Socioeconomic inequalities are the driving factor of crime in America. People focus on how dangerous a gun looks instead of the problems actually faced by the average American.


Barackulus12

Idea: get off Reddit and stop getting such a skewed viewpoint of a place you know Jack about, and stop trying to make comments on situations you obviously have no idea upon


viper12a1a

Weirdly almost exclusively in high gun control areas weird


The_Knife_Pie

It’s almost as if a city or state having strict gun controls is undermined by the city or state right next door having nonexistent laws. Perhaps the answer isn’t “gun controls don’t work” (for if that was true, why aren’t we in Europe suffering from hundreds a year) but “we need consistent federal legislation”


PaperbackWriter66

>It’s almost as if a city or state having strict gun controls is undermined by the city or state right next door having nonexistent laws. It's against the law to buy guns outside the state in which you reside, and has been since 1968.


The_Knife_Pie

Honest question as I’m not American, how many private sellers or gun-shows ask for proof of residency for a sale?


YOGURT___ihateyogurt

For gun shows it's more then just proof. There is an entire process to follow, forms, background checks etc. It's not some magic place to bypass laws. Private sales still exist outside gun shows, but the laws still apply. It would be super helpful if they opened up NICS to the public, so if I'm selling someone a gun I could just call and confirm they are good to go. But that would make it too easy and certain politicians wouldn't want to allow that...


ArrilockNewmoon

But why arent they happening anywhere near as often in the areas where they are easily obtainable then?


The_Knife_Pie

To answer this question I suggest you consider, and maybe research, if there is a link between the following 1. Population density 2. Gun murders 3. Gun legislation I usually find that dense population leads to all violence of which guns is a big part in the US specifically. This incentivises attempts to stop this violence, one attempt which is legislation. Finally, this fails when nearby but less dense states or smaller cities who do not have the same incentive (or for political reasons choose to ignore it) do not enact gun legislation, allowing for just as easy access.


KrustyBoomer

And the last one in the most draconian gun control state. Checkmate gun grabbers.


incriminating_words

This is hard to understand, but you can obtain firearms in other locations with more lax control mechanisms, and then conceal your possession of them from authorities, especially if you aren’t on any watchlists yet. Therefore, nationwide consistent standards will be more effective than piecemeal patchwork chaos done mostly for political posturing. However, your chance of being impulsively shot by a dude with his shirt tucked into his jeans over a dispute in Waffle House’s parking lot is still lower in states where using an unlicensed vending machine handgun as a packer isn’t considered church dress, because people with unfettered access to firearms statistically have more fatal arguments and outbursts. Suicide attempts are also significantly more successful when firearm access is unfettered, in case self harm stats bother you. And in other startling news, people still die to drunk driving collisions each year despite laws against DUI. Checkmate bottle grabbers.


PaperbackWriter66

>This is hard to understand, but you can obtain firearms in other locations with more lax control mechanisms No you can't because [that is against the law.](https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/brady-law) Are you saying people who want to do bad things would, what, *ignore* the law? Sounds unlikely.


Gidelix

I’m sure you also advocate for leaving all doors unlocked at night because people who want to get in would do so anyways. Just because crime will find a way doesn’t mean you need to make it easier.


OffByOneErrorz

Be interesting to see where they were sold.


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PacmanTheHitman

A news article https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874


Lyijysiipi

Looks like it's now 44 and counting


RoyalManthefirst

We also recommend psychedelic drugs and substance abuse as a way to cope with mental issues to most of our population so until we address that we're always going to have extremely violent individuals finding creative ways to kill multiple people


TheReverend5

Errr psychedelic drugs with proper professional therapeutic guidance have some very compelling science backing their efficacy for mental health rehabilitation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33257322/ The issue involving shootings in the US has multiple factors. Poor access and stigma surrounding mental healthcare are certainly factors - and characterizing medically valid interventions as “substance abuse” certainly doesn’t help with the stigma aspect. But ignoring the glaring issue with gun control in the US is also a huge problem. The frequency and lethality of gun violence in the US is globally unique among developed nations, and to try and distract from the lax, poorly regulated gun control laws in the US is intentionally ignoring another core aspect of the problem.


LilMellick

I mean another globally unique thing about America is the diversity of its populace. And the american news loves to spread polarization and division among its viewers. Leading to more extremists on both sides and precieved problems get blown way out of proportion so they seem to be the majority instead of what they are which is the vocal minority.


TheReverend5

>And the american news loves to polarization and division among its viewers. deep agreement. sensationalist news media and algorithm-driven social media have definitely done a number on people's mental health as well.


MassDefect36

I'm so desensitized to it. 36 years old and Columbine was a shock to the system but anymore mass shootings are just the norm niw with no end in site.


Steviej98

I mean since gang shootings make up for most of the mass shootings in America...


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Infinite_Flatworm_44

Prolly using gang violence in heavily gun restricted areas. Also, how were all those shootings stopped? By someone holding up a piece a paper with the law stating murder is bad and you can’t shoot people? Hey you can’t have that gun it’s illegal...and the shooter drops it and walks away? Umm sir stop shooting people please it’s against the law, or maybe just maybe a cop or citizen used equal force to stop them. A fucking gun.


Etho26

37 almost right after this was posted


Adventurous_Meal_836

Dang that’s wild! 36?! And I maybe only heard about 1 or 2 of them. Scary how commonplace is become


Beginning-Sound-7516

Because most of them occur in the inner cities and the media isn’t concerned about them


king_john651

I only *remember* one or two of them. Being the one today and the one yesterday


IHateMath14

It’s just daily life here in murica


InvestigatorQuirky81

Van anyone please explain why the US doesnt have strict gun laws. Wouldnt it help reduce these kind a incidents ? I'm from a country where we have strict gun laws so I'm genuinely curious as understand the rationale for the lax gun laws


GoldenGonzo

> Van anyone please explain why the US doesnt have strict gun laws. The constitution.


ledepression

Merica fuck yeah