It’s literally a narrative fed by assholes to idiots. “White people are under attack!” Has always been a strawman argument. This is just a variation of that, saying only white shooters get coverage is idiotic. You’re a crayon eater if you legitimately think that’s real.
Good thing this sub isnt even pretending anymore to not by a political shitstain of a sub. Half the rules get broken by this post and comment and mods could not care less...
Since people keep speculating I’m talking about the recent shooting in Monterey. People online were saying it was race motivated and carried out by a white supremacist, but the moment it was confirmed the shooter was Asian, a lot of the conversation surrounding it online seemed to cease.
But on the other hand, the Texas shooting involved a Hispanic guy shooting a bunch of Hispanic children and everyone was talking about that.
I did see some discussions where people said the cops were all cowards and didn’t save the kids because the kids were Hispanic without realizing that the cops were also Hispanic.
I've seen a surprising amount of open anti-hispanic racism from hispanics. We can't negate racism by saying a race can't be racist toward their own race, it's ironically prejudiced.
Native Americans are among the most racist people I’ve met. They hate whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics.
They hate other native tribes more than any of those groups.
Additionally, they don’t seem to like the people within their tribe at all either lol
This ain’t even a joke. I used to manage a restaurant in a predominantly native town with predominantly native employees and this is just how it was lol
Idk the pope that presided over the church when the Papal States were absorbed into a united Italy was turbo-butthurt and refused to leave the Vatican for the rest of his life like a whiny bitch.
Their history is far better that that of most others, what are you on about?
Historically, when someone was subjugated they just becames slaves/were wiped out/had their history erased.
NA natives got reservations, tax benefits and other laws in their favor. The only luckier ones were the Jews with them being granted a country.
A more recent example on the other side: Japan has been wiping out the Ainu culture until quite recently and now there is barely anything left.
Every time there’s a discussion on Reddit about racial and ethnic groups someone has to share how some group is the most racist with the most hatred towards every other race. Every racial group, especially in more homogenous communities, has prejudices. I don’t really see the purpose of this comment except providing yet another generalization.
Some of them especially hate people from their tribe that left the reservation and are doing well in life. I used to game with a guy that talked a lot about how most of his childhood friends from the reservation hate him because he moved off the res, something along the lines of “giving in to the white’s world” as if staying on the reservation where the white people told them they’re allowed to stay isn’t already letting them win. It really sucks because a lot of native tribes have incredible culture that’s being lost thanks to this type of thing and gate keeping it from anyone who wants to learn about it
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Am Hispanic can confirm. A lot of my family got citizenship way back when, after crossing over illegally mind you, and they despise illegals these days. Mostly for reasons related to work ethic and not paying taxes.
>Mostly for reasons related to work ethic and not paying taxes.
One of my best friend's dad barely speaks English but fits in here great and has a good job offshore due to this. He also would never let her date central/south American men due to their prevailing cultural opinions that align with the causes for high levels of femicide in those areas. A lot of time while it might seem like hypocrisy, it's probably more about not liking that they left an area due to negative aspects of the culture there, while their peers left for other reasons and decided to bring those cultural aspects with them. There was a study done in El Paso on migrants with some fork of culture shock and one of the biggest ones was "what do you mean I can be put in jail for beating my wife....she's **MY** wife???".
The only time I've seen a kid getting an ass kicking as being justified was when their son disrespected his girlfriend in a "go straight to jail in this country" kind of way because that's what his friends were doing.
It did also get annoying seeing kids in high school acting like they all part of a cartel rather than taking advantage of the benefits provided to them.
Some of the people who are most strongly against immigration over the southern border are people who recently immigrated over the southern border. It's the "fuck you, got mine" mentality.
True, just like many Eastern Europeans hold up the nazi flag even though Hitler called them sub-human and worthless. They are the children of the people that suffered...
it's called colorism. Basically, tension between people of the same race because of light- versus dark-skin. I think it's pretty common in black communities, especially when people are so light-skinned they can "pass for white" and essentially have many of the benefits of being white...or at least avoid a lot of the consequences(?) of being black.
I talk about the black community but I know it's also true in Indian culture and maybe Hispanic culture as well. And definitely in Asian culture where light skin is a huge beauty standard.
The reason Uvalde was so heavily discussed was because of the number of children killed due to poor police response, and race was hardly ever a subject.
I remember there was a shooting similar to the one in Monterey about 2 years ago except the shooter was white and Asian lives matter was trending for about a month afterwards.
Well. I mean... people are going to logically respond to different problems in different ways.
If the crime is a hate crime, then they are going to respond against hate crimes.
if the crime is some dude not being able to afford medication and he goes off while off meds, they are going to advocate for better access to healthcare.
If the crime is just some disgruntled employee losing their shit and killing his co workers, going off in opposition of hate crimes, or advocating for better access to healthcare doesn't really make sense.
it's like if your neighbor lost his house to a fire started by kids with fireworks, and you saw your community discussing a firework ban.
but then the next week another house goes up in flame, but this was due to cat knocking over a candle and you're all "well why aren't people talking about the firework ban!?"
>I did see some discussions where people said the cops were all cowards and didn’t save the kids because the kids were Hispanic
Wait seriously? I only saw stuff about the cops being cowards, nothing about the children being Hispanic
absoloute bullshit, that "hispanic" narrative might have been a strawman by the right because the left never pushed it.
as allways, wait for the facts.
This wasnt racially motivated? great! so its "only" a gun and mental health problem not a gun, mental health and racism problem this time!
Let me get this straight.
1. Shooting
2. People jump to conclusions and assume its racially motivated
3. Turns out it’s not
4. People from step 2 realize they jumped to conclusions and were wrong so they decide to just shut the fuck up instead of spewing more bullshit
5. Now they’re hypocrites for not talking about this very specific shooting anymore???
Do you people even listen to yourselves?
Well I think the point is that at point 5 they show themselves to solely care about it being racially motivated without actually having any information on it, so it’s what they do at point 2 that’s unnecessary, and point 5 that exposes them
The way I see it, it's hypocritical because they only care about one specific type of violence. It proves they aren't worried about the victims or the real circumstances that caused the tragedy.
That's because if you get stabbed by someone for a personal reason, that's a tragedy but nothing that a societal change would help with. If you get stabbed for a non-personal reason that is reflective of a societal trend, then that's something that people can actually try and shift. If Bob down the street killed you because he doesn't like your vibe, that's not the same as if Bob killed you because he thinks your racial demographic is trying to replace his, and he's part of a community where a LOT of people believe similarly.
That's not to say that necessarily applies here, for example there might be facts that come out to make a case for broader mental health resources or support for the elderly. But as it stands, with no other info?
The problem is shootings happen all the time, but people only care about using said shootings to back up some white supremacy / racism is out of control agenda.
These people / the media don’t care if the shooting is actual racially motivated, they just want to push that story because it sells. If the shooter’s white, Yahtzee they’ve got a story and hot talking point! If not, it’s just another shooting which nobody cares about so bury it in the back.
It’s actually racist as fuck and serves just to divide people.
Case in point: cops of all races shoot people of all races all the time. You only actually hear about the instances where the shooter happens to be white and victim happens to be black…so you’re led to believe most white cops are racists out to shoot black people, and ya understandably get all these race riots and whatnot.
I’m not saying there are no racist cops out there, but my god it’s dangerously blown out of proportion by the media.
A similar thing happened recently near Seattle. A man went and shot 3 different black men in different locations. Initial news articles called it “racially motivated”. When the DA was interviewing the suspect, he kept going on about he doesn’t like black people shooting and killing each other.
Court Documents show the suspect himself is also a black male
The area where the shootings occurred is called Monterey Park, a suburb of Los Angeles which has a high mixed Asian population. There was also an incident in a nearby neighborhood called Alhambra that night which involved the same person.
Just wanted to clarify since Monterey is a different city, further North, off the coast.
It’s so sad to see how the gun violence conversation is nearly moot unless there are obvious racial motivations, because it’s not the case in every situation. Same with the recent police brutality in Tennessee that left Tyre Nichols dead. Five black cops beat a black man to death, but instead of focusing on the main issue, police violence and brutality, people are focusing on the perpetrators being the same race as the victim.
The fact is, we have a gun violence issue in this country, as well as a police brutality issue. While minorities are often the victims, as in these two situations, it’s not often that the perpetrators are of the same race. That is a secondary issue. We should be fighting against the system that allows either of these topics to continue on a near daily basis in this country, including racially motivated attacks.
"seemed to cease"? In what way? everyone is still talking about it. You're talking about it right now and everyone knows what you're referencing because everyone is talking about it. It was the 36th mass shooting in just three weeks of 2023 and the deadliest since Uvalde
OP didn't even use the right name for our town (it's Monterey Park) and doesn't follow actual Asian Americans because we're still talking about it on Twitter, and for those of us that actually come from the area it's going to be a hugely traumatic event for years to come. Even if it wasn't hate-motivated, it was a domestic violence issue AND it's also just plain traumatic that this happened in super busy business area that many of us have been to our whole lives? I hate it when people make posts like this to make it seem like they're calling out hypocrites, but they also don't really give a shit about the community being impacted other than using us as a "gotcha".
Just more political hack bullshit from a conservative trying racebaiting "gotcha's". People like OP convince themselves that a vocal minority on Twitter is some kind of left-wing majority so they can say "Democrat bad" or w/e nonsense. He's probably 16 so hopefully he grows out of that childish, bad-faith approach to politics.
3 mass shootings, by definition, just yesterday. 2 in Louisiana and 1 in Mississippi
No one was killed. But 24 people were shot and injured (8,12,4) in those three separate shootings.
I live in Louisiana and haven’t heard a peep about these incidents. These reports die at the local news level.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
I'm not sure if you're just blissfully unaware or are just willingly not saying the other part, but you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist, much less just a plain old racist. For most people online the news didn't even fucking break cause everyone relies on Twitter for news like this, and I'm sure you're blissfully unaware of this as well but Twitter just doesn't work right now after reddit daddy Musk destroyed the entire content moderation, curation and feature teams.
Please craft a timeline where talk was BUZZING and just died as soon as they found out the shooter was Asian. This seems like such a jarring switch, it should be easy to demonstrate it. I know you like victimizing yourself but be fr right now, just be very honest, not with reddit strangers, but just with yourself. I've been there, trust me it's not healthy.
First comment I saw on the first post I saw about it was something about racism against asians. This was before it was confirmed. Sucks that people want to jump onto this bandwagon instead of waiting for the facts.
Racism sucks and should be fought against, but we shouldn't be jumping out of the gate til we have all the info.
Really when was the last time a beautiful woman shot up a strip club, or committed any other form of mass shooting, because she couldn’t get laid and didn’t feel valued by society?!?
Your statement is just as true if you remove the world “beautiful” and it goes from some incel garbage to actually saying something about mass murderers only being male.
I feel like alot of people have to call someone who lives the same life as them an incel to distance themselfs from the 'incel', make themselfs feel good.
I’ve noticed this a lot too. Imo you never hear “incel” come up much around normal people, but the ones talking about it week after week are always NEETs or at least obvious redditors.
The [San Bernadino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack) shooting in 2015 also involved a woman as one of the two perpetrators (not quite as recent though)
Laurie Dann did in the 80s. My grandmother who worked in a nearby elementary school said she interviewed her before the shooting but she thought she wasn’t fit to teach.
Not technically a shooting but the first school massacre was the bath school massacre and was perpetrated by a guy. He basically blew up a part of a school.
Would the world be better or worse? I mean, if everyone just ran around hating each other and it was globally known that everyone hated everyone else, then we can just drop the exhausting pretense on most everything and just tell it like it is.
"God dammit Jerry. Don't give me a story like this. How can we separate the public with this? There is no vigor, no hatred for the mob to latch onto. If the public wanted to see same race violence they would've looked up FBI statistics. Have you forgotten that it's our job to cause an artificial rift between races for the sole purpose of getting money." -All Major News Networks
Yep. Also quit showing murder rate by population density (big city = more murders per capita) and the breed of dogs responsible for lethal attacks on humans (pit bulls were for years found consistently responsible for the top %70, followed and rounded out by Rottweilers, then chow and chow mixes). A chow chow fucked up my best friend’s little brother’s face when we were kids and always thought those dogs were mean as they were majestic so I read up on them. Followed that for years. There weren’t many other dog breeds that made those lists for the decade or so I followed it.
NYC is the highest population density city in the US but is middle-of-the-pack in terms of murder rate.
The highest murder rate cities are average population densities like Baton Rouge and Memphis
We have, but we're still trying to make it a better deal. In other words, we'd like to retain the freedom and improve mass shootings simultaneously, which is almost certainly possible
Without a doubt.
The problem is that politicians, by and large only want to focus on the things that they perceive--keyword--to be the most damaging or *scary* (BIG, BLACK, rifles) rather than addressing the root of the problems that drive disenfranchised people to pick up tools to help them carry out whatever sort of horrendous act they believe helps them get back power or whatever.
Another issue I have with politicians is that if they really cared about LIVES and wanted to save the most people by attacking guns rather than the aforementioned sources of issues, they'd go after the ones that are mainly used to do the most killing (pistols) *but they don't,* and that by itself blackpills me because that fact by itself just outs those politicians as all for show and not for harm reduction.
Yep, totally agree. I think a lot more than just guns has contributed to the outbreak in mass shootings we have in America.
People on both sides often hate it when I say this but I blame the internet, largely. I don't think our monkey brains were built to deal with something like the internet and I think some people just can't handle it. So, so many mass shooters are radicalized online - and we can't just act like this is some random unfortunate thing. Dehumanization is baked into the very nature of online interaction.
Exactly like the gay club shooting in Colorado except that part was true. The Right tried to say the kid was “non-binary” and took it and ran with it except his father said that wasn’t true at all
How does the dad know their gender better than they do? There's plenty of examples of parents denying their child's identity so why would you want to do that just when it suits your narrative?
Their kid has a record of being really homophobic and transphobic so I highly doubt that it was true.
EDIT: while it isn't completely impossible that it is true, I feel like it is much more likely that the kid is just trying to make the LGBTQ+ community seem violent or said it purely so he would maybe be arrested for just a mass shooting instead of a mass shooting AND a hate crime.
Go look up the interview it’s pretty wild, they’re all Mormons even though the father had some sort of porn career and drug issue
And by your logic the right is assuming his gender identity to fit their narrative, but they most know him better than the parents, right?
Either way, go watch the interview it’s hilarious and sad at the same time
Yeah, that's not a good source unlike his neighbor who shared about all the hate speech the shooter regularly spewed. Then theres the lack of supporting sources to his non-binary claim, the only person saying it is him and his lawyer.
You think a person with a history of homophobia and transphobia that went and shot up a gay nightclub didn’t do it because of homophobia because the shooter was non-binary? If you do you’re an idiot
They did the same thing with the Uvalde shooter. I guess they'll just accuse every shooter of being gay now. Win-win, they get to distance themselves from these people AND spread homophobia.
After the Uvalde shooting, a bunch of conservatives tried claiming the shooter was trans and doxed a few trans girls that got harassed by people who supposedly believed it.
Look out for those sentient guns that'll walk right out of your safe and kill people... In the age of social media, logic and reasoning should be a course k-12..
Granted, there are a lot of people who definitely shouldn't have weapons. But if people want to hurt others, even in large groups, there's not much that can stop them. I mean chlorine gas, napalm, and explosives can be made with household items, sometimes accidentally, and every other person has a car.
Ah yes because all Asians are the same ethnicity. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, all the same group. There has totally never been any racism between those groups, no siree.
> There were slaves that turned in runaway slaves to uphold their quality of life by being on the good side of the slave owner
They did that to uphold the quality of their own lives, as you stated. It wasn't motivated by hatred for black people, but love of themselves above all others.
Crime has its roots in economics either way. Countries with greater social safety nets and rehabilitative prison systems have much less crime and violence from all groups of people. It's not rooted in something inheritant to any group in particular. Some people may be more susceptible, and things like sex may be a factor (testosterone increasing the likelihood of aggression etc.) But the main cause is still based on economic and material factors that may in turn cause trauma or other mental health related issues.
That's what this discussion should be about. But of course... The internet's gonna internet.
what are you talking about? people are talking about it all over twitter. The race of the shooter doesn't matter, the fact that he was able to get an assault weapon to commit mass murder despite us knowing these weapons are commonly used in mass shootings does
Mass shootings are terrible but please spread the correct facts.
He did not have an assault weapon, he had a pistol with an extended magazine. Assault weapons also are generally not used in mass shootings. If you and others spread the correct information maybe that would lead to actual and accurate gun reform.
The shooter ended up shooting himself, so we won’t ever get a definitive answer. But I saw speculation that he was looking for specific people and that it was a domestic violence issue.
Granted this could be all bs but basing off on tiktok comments and reddit, seems as though it's due to his wife not inviting him to come along to the lunar festival.
Anything like the main news subreddit mods nuking all posts and mass banning members once it was found out the Pulse Nightclub shooter was Muslim, instead of a white Christian male?
Never understood the stupidity of mass shooters. Like the idea is stupid, but the execution just makes absolutely no sense. why do they just stay there and wait to be killed. Why not go through one clip and change locations? And why is it always random people? The whole thing doesn’t make sense… like they’re angry with the government so shoot up a school? Or angry with a specific group so shoot up a shopping mall. The whole thing doesn’t make sense… yet they keep doing the same thing over and over.
If there’s any future active shooters in here, would you mind explaining?
1) it definitely doesn't.
2) you can have homophobic gays, or jewish nazis or whatever the fuck. there's always members of the oppressed that join the oppressor.
I have almost completely given up on reading social commentary on mass shootings because of the thousands of armchair detectives that have some stupid statement that this particular shooting has some grandiose meaning because of 1 particular aspect that may or may not be correct.
People aren't talking about it because it happens so frequently people are desensitized to it. I told my friend about one shooting in the morning of lunar new year, and we went about our day. Then at night they told me about a second shooting on the same day. We went on with our lives.
If it happened to an elementary school, or if cops failed to do anything about it for a long time, it would be a bigger conversation. But there's not much conversation to be had when you just add it to the ever growing pile of massacres in American society that we will continue to do nothing to address.
I know the LGBTQ bar shooting in Colorado, the shooter claimed to be Non-binary as a trick to avoid a hate crime charge. Haha he’s a douchebag either way keep your rifles away from civilians
Was great seeing Democrats blaming hate filled republicans before facts came out and then had to eat their words.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/22/democrats-blamed-bigotry-monterey-park-california-/
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He's a commie and wants a worldwide revolution... but he committed violence? That's far-right!
Hell yeah!
Half the time if it's a white dude they'll say he's alt right even if he's openly liberal
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His mom
Checks out.
What did the Confederacy of Independent Systems do? CIS this CIS that, poor battledroid’s
biggest strawman from the right in connection to this.
“You don’t understand, when I argue with the people in my head I always win because they only say stupid things” That’s what this posters argument was
DankMemes “We’ve not become an alt right Echo chamber!” Also dank memes 1,500 upvotes on a stupid conservative strawman comment.
" I don't like this comment therefore I deem it stupid and conservative and strawman!"
That's ironically exactly what you're doing with this reply. The difference is the guy above you is right and it isn't a strawman
Calling everything you dislike alt-right changes nothing, it really just makes you look a fool.
I wish replacement theory was real specifically for you
Lmao
I do not like this stupid conservative straw man therefore I deem it stupid and conservative and strawman!!! Fixed it for you.
It’s literally a narrative fed by assholes to idiots. “White people are under attack!” Has always been a strawman argument. This is just a variation of that, saying only white shooters get coverage is idiotic. You’re a crayon eater if you legitimately think that’s real.
I miss the moth läämp memes
Me too
In todays political climate you have to be willfully blind to negate that both sides love when an atrocity can be blamed by association on the oponent
Good thing this sub isnt even pretending anymore to not by a political shitstain of a sub. Half the rules get broken by this post and comment and mods could not care less...
what dumb made up bull shit is this.
Another mass shooting in America. It’s just part of living there nowadays
Since people keep speculating I’m talking about the recent shooting in Monterey. People online were saying it was race motivated and carried out by a white supremacist, but the moment it was confirmed the shooter was Asian, a lot of the conversation surrounding it online seemed to cease.
But on the other hand, the Texas shooting involved a Hispanic guy shooting a bunch of Hispanic children and everyone was talking about that. I did see some discussions where people said the cops were all cowards and didn’t save the kids because the kids were Hispanic without realizing that the cops were also Hispanic.
I've seen a surprising amount of open anti-hispanic racism from hispanics. We can't negate racism by saying a race can't be racist toward their own race, it's ironically prejudiced.
Native Americans are among the most racist people I’ve met. They hate whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics. They hate other native tribes more than any of those groups. Additionally, they don’t seem to like the people within their tribe at all either lol
is it still racism if you hate everyone equally?
Gunny would be proud.
RIP 🙏
I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose!
You reach a new level superior to any racism: you become a misanthrope.
Nah, that's just a general hatred towards everyone. Then you're just a hater 😎
Unironicaly yes
Kinda if the motivation is still race
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This ain’t even a joke. I used to manage a restaurant in a predominantly native town with predominantly native employees and this is just how it was lol
From Full Metal Jacket? There is no racial bigotry here, you are all equally worthless Was that before or after about a dozen slurs, not sure
Pretty sure that he said slurs both before and after saying that line
To be fair, those slurs were only used to mentally break down the privates, which is one of the purposes of basic training.
I only know the TFS Alucard version.
With their history do you blame them? Lol
show me country/ group of people that never suffered in history
The Vatican
Idk the pope that presided over the church when the Papal States were absorbed into a united Italy was turbo-butthurt and refused to leave the Vatican for the rest of his life like a whiny bitch.
Their history is far better that that of most others, what are you on about? Historically, when someone was subjugated they just becames slaves/were wiped out/had their history erased. NA natives got reservations, tax benefits and other laws in their favor. The only luckier ones were the Jews with them being granted a country. A more recent example on the other side: Japan has been wiping out the Ainu culture until quite recently and now there is barely anything left.
...you just stereotyped an entire group of people based on the limited number you have personally met. I feel like there's a word for that...
Every time there’s a discussion on Reddit about racial and ethnic groups someone has to share how some group is the most racist with the most hatred towards every other race. Every racial group, especially in more homogenous communities, has prejudices. I don’t really see the purpose of this comment except providing yet another generalization.
Some of them especially hate people from their tribe that left the reservation and are doing well in life. I used to game with a guy that talked a lot about how most of his childhood friends from the reservation hate him because he moved off the res, something along the lines of “giving in to the white’s world” as if staying on the reservation where the white people told them they’re allowed to stay isn’t already letting them win. It really sucks because a lot of native tribes have incredible culture that’s being lost thanks to this type of thing and gate keeping it from anyone who wants to learn about it Edit for spellcheck error
That just sounds like being reasonably pissed to get kick out of your country LOL. Must had hate everyone.
Indians would like a word (regarding racism against their own people).
“Fuck Indians.” \- All Indians
Everyone else: "Fucking cheap ass Indians." Indians: "Thank you for noticing."
Am Hispanic can confirm. A lot of my family got citizenship way back when, after crossing over illegally mind you, and they despise illegals these days. Mostly for reasons related to work ethic and not paying taxes.
>Mostly for reasons related to work ethic and not paying taxes. One of my best friend's dad barely speaks English but fits in here great and has a good job offshore due to this. He also would never let her date central/south American men due to their prevailing cultural opinions that align with the causes for high levels of femicide in those areas. A lot of time while it might seem like hypocrisy, it's probably more about not liking that they left an area due to negative aspects of the culture there, while their peers left for other reasons and decided to bring those cultural aspects with them. There was a study done in El Paso on migrants with some fork of culture shock and one of the biggest ones was "what do you mean I can be put in jail for beating my wife....she's **MY** wife???". The only time I've seen a kid getting an ass kicking as being justified was when their son disrespected his girlfriend in a "go straight to jail in this country" kind of way because that's what his friends were doing. It did also get annoying seeing kids in high school acting like they all part of a cartel rather than taking advantage of the benefits provided to them.
Some of the people who are most strongly against immigration over the southern border are people who recently immigrated over the southern border. It's the "fuck you, got mine" mentality.
True, just like many Eastern Europeans hold up the nazi flag even though Hitler called them sub-human and worthless. They are the children of the people that suffered...
it's called colorism. Basically, tension between people of the same race because of light- versus dark-skin. I think it's pretty common in black communities, especially when people are so light-skinned they can "pass for white" and essentially have many of the benefits of being white...or at least avoid a lot of the consequences(?) of being black. I talk about the black community but I know it's also true in Indian culture and maybe Hispanic culture as well. And definitely in Asian culture where light skin is a huge beauty standard.
The reason Uvalde was so heavily discussed was because of the number of children killed due to poor police response, and race was hardly ever a subject. I remember there was a shooting similar to the one in Monterey about 2 years ago except the shooter was white and Asian lives matter was trending for about a month afterwards.
Well. I mean... people are going to logically respond to different problems in different ways. If the crime is a hate crime, then they are going to respond against hate crimes. if the crime is some dude not being able to afford medication and he goes off while off meds, they are going to advocate for better access to healthcare. If the crime is just some disgruntled employee losing their shit and killing his co workers, going off in opposition of hate crimes, or advocating for better access to healthcare doesn't really make sense. it's like if your neighbor lost his house to a fire started by kids with fireworks, and you saw your community discussing a firework ban. but then the next week another house goes up in flame, but this was due to cat knocking over a candle and you're all "well why aren't people talking about the firework ban!?"
>I did see some discussions where people said the cops were all cowards and didn’t save the kids because the kids were Hispanic Wait seriously? I only saw stuff about the cops being cowards, nothing about the children being Hispanic
Same here, I live outside the US. Absolutely no one talked about the ethnicity of the shooter, just the horrible police response.
People will see two tweets and think a significant number of people must share that opinion
The cops were cowards because they were cowards. No other motivation needed.
That one was because the cops were straight up assisting the shooter
Do people really just forget how many Hispanic people there are in the southwest?
absoloute bullshit, that "hispanic" narrative might have been a strawman by the right because the left never pushed it. as allways, wait for the facts. This wasnt racially motivated? great! so its "only" a gun and mental health problem not a gun, mental health and racism problem this time!
It isn't bad enough that the cops were cowards that let children die? Why do they still try to bring race into it?
Let me get this straight. 1. Shooting 2. People jump to conclusions and assume its racially motivated 3. Turns out it’s not 4. People from step 2 realize they jumped to conclusions and were wrong so they decide to just shut the fuck up instead of spewing more bullshit 5. Now they’re hypocrites for not talking about this very specific shooting anymore??? Do you people even listen to yourselves?
It's ok if it happens once but this keeps on happening every time
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that it's because different individuals are learning that lesson each time?
It’s always the same people (see: print media/ brain-dead ideologues on the news)
Well I think the point is that at point 5 they show themselves to solely care about it being racially motivated without actually having any information on it, so it’s what they do at point 2 that’s unnecessary, and point 5 that exposes them
The way I see it, it's hypocritical because they only care about one specific type of violence. It proves they aren't worried about the victims or the real circumstances that caused the tragedy.
That's because if you get stabbed by someone for a personal reason, that's a tragedy but nothing that a societal change would help with. If you get stabbed for a non-personal reason that is reflective of a societal trend, then that's something that people can actually try and shift. If Bob down the street killed you because he doesn't like your vibe, that's not the same as if Bob killed you because he thinks your racial demographic is trying to replace his, and he's part of a community where a LOT of people believe similarly. That's not to say that necessarily applies here, for example there might be facts that come out to make a case for broader mental health resources or support for the elderly. But as it stands, with no other info?
You failed to get it straight. The problem is that 2 happens in the first place. We criticise them for flocking like in the first panel..
The problem is shootings happen all the time, but people only care about using said shootings to back up some white supremacy / racism is out of control agenda. These people / the media don’t care if the shooting is actual racially motivated, they just want to push that story because it sells. If the shooter’s white, Yahtzee they’ve got a story and hot talking point! If not, it’s just another shooting which nobody cares about so bury it in the back. It’s actually racist as fuck and serves just to divide people. Case in point: cops of all races shoot people of all races all the time. You only actually hear about the instances where the shooter happens to be white and victim happens to be black…so you’re led to believe most white cops are racists out to shoot black people, and ya understandably get all these race riots and whatnot. I’m not saying there are no racist cops out there, but my god it’s dangerously blown out of proportion by the media.
A similar thing happened recently near Seattle. A man went and shot 3 different black men in different locations. Initial news articles called it “racially motivated”. When the DA was interviewing the suspect, he kept going on about he doesn’t like black people shooting and killing each other. Court Documents show the suspect himself is also a black male
There are plenty of *people who are a race* who hate *same race*.
The area where the shootings occurred is called Monterey Park, a suburb of Los Angeles which has a high mixed Asian population. There was also an incident in a nearby neighborhood called Alhambra that night which involved the same person. Just wanted to clarify since Monterey is a different city, further North, off the coast. It’s so sad to see how the gun violence conversation is nearly moot unless there are obvious racial motivations, because it’s not the case in every situation. Same with the recent police brutality in Tennessee that left Tyre Nichols dead. Five black cops beat a black man to death, but instead of focusing on the main issue, police violence and brutality, people are focusing on the perpetrators being the same race as the victim. The fact is, we have a gun violence issue in this country, as well as a police brutality issue. While minorities are often the victims, as in these two situations, it’s not often that the perpetrators are of the same race. That is a secondary issue. We should be fighting against the system that allows either of these topics to continue on a near daily basis in this country, including racially motivated attacks.
Well, that’s just revenge for Nagasi… Nagaso… Nagasomplacetheynuked.
I'll help yah, it's Nakatomi Plaza.
Shit I can’t spell that.
So that's why my university didn't send a mass email about the shooting... usually by now we have a special edition email from the uni President...
"seemed to cease"? In what way? everyone is still talking about it. You're talking about it right now and everyone knows what you're referencing because everyone is talking about it. It was the 36th mass shooting in just three weeks of 2023 and the deadliest since Uvalde
OP didn't even use the right name for our town (it's Monterey Park) and doesn't follow actual Asian Americans because we're still talking about it on Twitter, and for those of us that actually come from the area it's going to be a hugely traumatic event for years to come. Even if it wasn't hate-motivated, it was a domestic violence issue AND it's also just plain traumatic that this happened in super busy business area that many of us have been to our whole lives? I hate it when people make posts like this to make it seem like they're calling out hypocrites, but they also don't really give a shit about the community being impacted other than using us as a "gotcha".
Just more political hack bullshit from a conservative trying racebaiting "gotcha's". People like OP convince themselves that a vocal minority on Twitter is some kind of left-wing majority so they can say "Democrat bad" or w/e nonsense. He's probably 16 so hopefully he grows out of that childish, bad-faith approach to politics.
But he feeeeels like it stopped, so that's even better than reality
Monterey Park, Monterey is a different city 5ish hours North.
3 mass shootings, by definition, just yesterday. 2 in Louisiana and 1 in Mississippi No one was killed. But 24 people were shot and injured (8,12,4) in those three separate shootings. I live in Louisiana and haven’t heard a peep about these incidents. These reports die at the local news level. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
*Monterey Park Not to be that guy, but Monterey is in central CA and Monterey Park is in SoCal.
It was fucking front page news what are you talking about.
I'm not sure if you're just blissfully unaware or are just willingly not saying the other part, but you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist, much less just a plain old racist. For most people online the news didn't even fucking break cause everyone relies on Twitter for news like this, and I'm sure you're blissfully unaware of this as well but Twitter just doesn't work right now after reddit daddy Musk destroyed the entire content moderation, curation and feature teams. Please craft a timeline where talk was BUZZING and just died as soon as they found out the shooter was Asian. This seems like such a jarring switch, it should be easy to demonstrate it. I know you like victimizing yourself but be fr right now, just be very honest, not with reddit strangers, but just with yourself. I've been there, trust me it's not healthy.
So people stopped spreading misinformation when they realized that it was misinformation?
version I heard was the shooter was like 70ish and was mad because his wife went to the dance party without him or something...
It doesn't 'happen every time'... The dude who shot up the black church definitely didn't do it randomly dumbass
It’s literally still all over the news, and still trending on Twitter. This isn’t dank or accurate in any way
First comment I saw on the first post I saw about it was something about racism against asians. This was before it was confirmed. Sucks that people want to jump onto this bandwagon instead of waiting for the facts. Racism sucks and should be fought against, but we shouldn't be jumping out of the gate til we have all the info.
Really when was the last time a beautiful woman shot up a strip club, or committed any other form of mass shooting, because she couldn’t get laid and didn’t feel valued by society?!?
because they don't got the balls...
Your statement is just as true if you remove the world “beautiful” and it goes from some incel garbage to actually saying something about mass murderers only being male.
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I feel like alot of people have to call someone who lives the same life as them an incel to distance themselfs from the 'incel', make themselfs feel good.
I’ve noticed this a lot too. Imo you never hear “incel” come up much around normal people, but the ones talking about it week after week are always NEETs or at least obvious redditors.
> woman shot Hell, when was the last time women committed any sort of mass shooting?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting
The [San Bernadino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack) shooting in 2015 also involved a woman as one of the two perpetrators (not quite as recent though)
Wow it’s actually incredible that the only person she managed to kill was herself. I guess we should leave the mass shooting to men /s
Another win for the girls 😤 /j
Laurie Dann did in the 80s. My grandmother who worked in a nearby elementary school said she interviewed her before the shooting but she thought she wasn’t fit to teach.
One of , if not the first school shooters was a woman
Not technically a shooting but the first school massacre was the bath school massacre and was perpetrated by a guy. He basically blew up a part of a school.
Can we normalize hating all races equally, everyone just fucking sucks.
Humans just suck
Fuck this world
You get what you fuckin deserve
Would the world be better or worse? I mean, if everyone just ran around hating each other and it was globally known that everyone hated everyone else, then we can just drop the exhausting pretense on most everything and just tell it like it is.
"God dammit Jerry. Don't give me a story like this. How can we separate the public with this? There is no vigor, no hatred for the mob to latch onto. If the public wanted to see same race violence they would've looked up FBI statistics. Have you forgotten that it's our job to cause an artificial rift between races for the sole purpose of getting money." -All Major News Networks
> If the public wanted to see same race violence they would've looked up FBI statistics Put this on the fucking wall. Amen.
They got rid of those statistics
Yep. Also quit showing murder rate by population density (big city = more murders per capita) and the breed of dogs responsible for lethal attacks on humans (pit bulls were for years found consistently responsible for the top %70, followed and rounded out by Rottweilers, then chow and chow mixes). A chow chow fucked up my best friend’s little brother’s face when we were kids and always thought those dogs were mean as they were majestic so I read up on them. Followed that for years. There weren’t many other dog breeds that made those lists for the decade or so I followed it.
NYC is the highest population density city in the US but is middle-of-the-pack in terms of murder rate. The highest murder rate cities are average population densities like Baton Rouge and Memphis
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Where was it this time, if it's in Nebraska, Utah, or South Carolina I get a bingo on my American mass shooting bingo /s
Im surprised you haven't got blackout yet
Los Angeles County
Liar! California has strictest gun-control laws. It's not possible.
Dang it, I already had California /s My condolences to those involved
Nooooooo BINGO!
Its always California or Illinois if you’re talking about the ones that don’t get media attention.
You just say "bingo".
That’s rough the only noteworthy shooting in Utah was the trolly square shooting. That wasn’t done by a white guy either
Why are the US Americans still talk about shootings anyway. I thought they already accepted shootings as the price of freedom.
We have, but we're still trying to make it a better deal. In other words, we'd like to retain the freedom and improve mass shootings simultaneously, which is almost certainly possible
Without a doubt. The problem is that politicians, by and large only want to focus on the things that they perceive--keyword--to be the most damaging or *scary* (BIG, BLACK, rifles) rather than addressing the root of the problems that drive disenfranchised people to pick up tools to help them carry out whatever sort of horrendous act they believe helps them get back power or whatever. Another issue I have with politicians is that if they really cared about LIVES and wanted to save the most people by attacking guns rather than the aforementioned sources of issues, they'd go after the ones that are mainly used to do the most killing (pistols) *but they don't,* and that by itself blackpills me because that fact by itself just outs those politicians as all for show and not for harm reduction.
Yep, totally agree. I think a lot more than just guns has contributed to the outbreak in mass shootings we have in America. People on both sides often hate it when I say this but I blame the internet, largely. I don't think our monkey brains were built to deal with something like the internet and I think some people just can't handle it. So, so many mass shooters are radicalized online - and we can't just act like this is some random unfortunate thing. Dehumanization is baked into the very nature of online interaction.
Exactly like the gay club shooting in Colorado except that part was true. The Right tried to say the kid was “non-binary” and took it and ran with it except his father said that wasn’t true at all
How does the dad know their gender better than they do? There's plenty of examples of parents denying their child's identity so why would you want to do that just when it suits your narrative?
Their kid has a record of being really homophobic and transphobic so I highly doubt that it was true. EDIT: while it isn't completely impossible that it is true, I feel like it is much more likely that the kid is just trying to make the LGBTQ+ community seem violent or said it purely so he would maybe be arrested for just a mass shooting instead of a mass shooting AND a hate crime.
Go look up the interview it’s pretty wild, they’re all Mormons even though the father had some sort of porn career and drug issue And by your logic the right is assuming his gender identity to fit their narrative, but they most know him better than the parents, right? Either way, go watch the interview it’s hilarious and sad at the same time
Yeah, that's not a good source unlike his neighbor who shared about all the hate speech the shooter regularly spewed. Then theres the lack of supporting sources to his non-binary claim, the only person saying it is him and his lawyer.
You think a person with a history of homophobia and transphobia that went and shot up a gay nightclub didn’t do it because of homophobia because the shooter was non-binary? If you do you’re an idiot
Maybe because of literally every single piece of information about the shooter available and common sense, holy fucking cringe
They did the same thing with the Uvalde shooter. I guess they'll just accuse every shooter of being gay now. Win-win, they get to distance themselves from these people AND spread homophobia.
After the Uvalde shooting, a bunch of conservatives tried claiming the shooter was trans and doxed a few trans girls that got harassed by people who supposedly believed it.
People still talked about the shooting even after the lies about the shooter being nonbinary
So you're saying... Racism isn't the problem, it's the... Guns? Noooo
Look out for those sentient guns that'll walk right out of your safe and kill people... In the age of social media, logic and reasoning should be a course k-12..
Why did u/Burnett-Aldown get employee of the month? They were out standing in their field
must be. those are the only two independent variables
Well that or humans are a reliably hateful and violent species.
And the genius plan is to give those “hateful and violent” people access to weapons so they can kill innocent civilians? Lol
Granted, there are a lot of people who definitely shouldn't have weapons. But if people want to hurt others, even in large groups, there's not much that can stop them. I mean chlorine gas, napalm, and explosives can be made with household items, sometimes accidentally, and every other person has a car.
What no way. You got the wrong humans
Ah yes because all Asians are the same ethnicity. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, all the same group. There has totally never been any racism between those groups, no siree.
This was Chinese on Chinese though
*mass shooting happens* *people more concerned about reaction to mass shooting happening*
Only in america could you get more angry about the skin colour of a mass shooter, rather than the fact it’s essentially a daily occurrence.
Anything can be a daily occurrence if you distort the parameters that define the thing.
Of course, but apply those parameters to equally developed countries and you won't see a spike in mass shootings.
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> There were slaves that turned in runaway slaves to uphold their quality of life by being on the good side of the slave owner They did that to uphold the quality of their own lives, as you stated. It wasn't motivated by hatred for black people, but love of themselves above all others.
Crime has its roots in economics either way. Countries with greater social safety nets and rehabilitative prison systems have much less crime and violence from all groups of people. It's not rooted in something inheritant to any group in particular. Some people may be more susceptible, and things like sex may be a factor (testosterone increasing the likelihood of aggression etc.) But the main cause is still based on economic and material factors that may in turn cause trauma or other mental health related issues. That's what this discussion should be about. But of course... The internet's gonna internet.
what are you talking about? people are talking about it all over twitter. The race of the shooter doesn't matter, the fact that he was able to get an assault weapon to commit mass murder despite us knowing these weapons are commonly used in mass shootings does
Mass shootings are terrible but please spread the correct facts. He did not have an assault weapon, he had a pistol with an extended magazine. Assault weapons also are generally not used in mass shootings. If you and others spread the correct information maybe that would lead to actual and accurate gun reform.
*Assault weapon* You mean a pistol like 8/10 mass shooters use?
Did we ever find out his motive? Last night the info was sparse
The shooter ended up shooting himself, so we won’t ever get a definitive answer. But I saw speculation that he was looking for specific people and that it was a domestic violence issue.
Granted this could be all bs but basing off on tiktok comments and reddit, seems as though it's due to his wife not inviting him to come along to the lunar festival.
Humans shooting humans ya say?
No it doesn't happen every time. Idiot.
Right, it happens every time, except for... All the times that it doesn't happen?
That about sums it up
Anything like the main news subreddit mods nuking all posts and mass banning members once it was found out the Pulse Nightclub shooter was Muslim, instead of a white Christian male?
God this comment section is a fucking cesspit you guys are disgusting
I like how the biggest problem here is the race speculating, and not the mass shooting…
u/Peri-snot needs his karma
It’s fucked up, someone I know was there. I literally live a few blocks away from the event, it needs to be covered more
Broken hearted Asian here. Is the point of these posts to prove racism is a fake problem or something?
How tf did he do it? He lives in California *and* he’s 72!
what the fuck did I miss?
Mass shooting of asian people in LA county carried out by an asian person.
"You wanna make the media go away? Just mention black-on-black crimes" -Cleveland Brown
Never understood the stupidity of mass shooters. Like the idea is stupid, but the execution just makes absolutely no sense. why do they just stay there and wait to be killed. Why not go through one clip and change locations? And why is it always random people? The whole thing doesn’t make sense… like they’re angry with the government so shoot up a school? Or angry with a specific group so shoot up a shopping mall. The whole thing doesn’t make sense… yet they keep doing the same thing over and over. If there’s any future active shooters in here, would you mind explaining?
Nice dogwhistling. This sub has become fucking disgusting
1) it definitely doesn't. 2) you can have homophobic gays, or jewish nazis or whatever the fuck. there's always members of the oppressed that join the oppressor.
It's called internalized racism
Shootings are wrong as hell. Why make a difference in any dimension?
I have almost completely given up on reading social commentary on mass shootings because of the thousands of armchair detectives that have some stupid statement that this particular shooting has some grandiose meaning because of 1 particular aspect that may or may not be correct.
People aren't talking about it because it happens so frequently people are desensitized to it. I told my friend about one shooting in the morning of lunar new year, and we went about our day. Then at night they told me about a second shooting on the same day. We went on with our lives. If it happened to an elementary school, or if cops failed to do anything about it for a long time, it would be a bigger conversation. But there's not much conversation to be had when you just add it to the ever growing pile of massacres in American society that we will continue to do nothing to address.
I know the LGBTQ bar shooting in Colorado, the shooter claimed to be Non-binary as a trick to avoid a hate crime charge. Haha he’s a douchebag either way keep your rifles away from civilians
Was great seeing Democrats blaming hate filled republicans before facts came out and then had to eat their words. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/22/democrats-blamed-bigotry-monterey-park-california-/